There are doom and gloom posts all over DU imploring us not to believe the polls. JUST STOP!

[Demsrule86]

First of all the polls in 16 were not that far off in the states that gave Trump his victory...WI, MI and PA. And Hillary was ahead in the national polls and did win the popular vote by three million votes. Also, it was too late for polling to capture the damage Comey did at the end of the campaign. Trump eked out a small victory in the MI, WI and PA ...there likely was cheating involved. But every one of those states now has a Democratic government, and the polls in those states were not off by more than a couple of point

This election is not 16. We have a pandemic, an economic debacle and civil unrest. If one looks at history. Trump is not likely to be elected and the polls show he is losing badly. I celebrate those polls and feel the doom and gloom OP's serve no useful purpose.The posters offer no suggestions about how we avoid 'complacency or over confidence' ...some basically say really why bother as the Russians will make sure Trump wins...so inspiring . Thus I will repeat myself...for the love of Goddess PLEASE STOP!

[SoonerPride]

1. James Carville was on fire last night on MSNBC saying the same thing.

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"Stop panicking Democrats.

You are going to win!"

[Demsrule86]

30. We are going to win...IMHO. And Trump just finished himself off by putting in a brief to kill the

ACA. So now we can run on...vote us in our lose your health insurance. This would affect kids staying on their parents health care as well.

[malaise]

2. +1,000

I ignore them

[Demsrule86]

31. Yeah I am thinking ignore is my friend.

[jayfish]

3. It's A Psychological Device Used to Maintain Voter Enthusiasm And Foster Turn-Out.

It's, very loosely, like setting your alarm clock 10 minutes ahead to trick yourself into thinking you're late for work every day.

[Me.]

11. But Can Have The 'What's THe Use' Opposite Effect

[lagomorph777]

23. +1 We need to quit discouraging ourselves.

I've been in such a deep depression since 2016; the only way I can get out of bed in the morning is to persuade myself that there's hope of removing Turd and destroying his RePutin Party.

I have to talk myself off of the ledge every day. Quit telling me to jump.

[Me.]

64. Exactly

we need to raise the enthusiasm gap and get out there and vote in record numbers, overwhelm him with votes so there is no question of who needs to be marched out of the WH. I think we should stop all the debbie downer posts. THey do not help anyone but the Menace in the WH.

[Demsrule86]

33. But can have a what's the use affect as the poster below notes.

[LakeArenal]

4. No one I know has ever been polled.

Polls don’t mean a thing to me.

Too many “margin of error” polls.

[lagomorph777]

25. I get polled all the time.

[LakeArenal]

27. Yes but I don't know you.

And by saying “all the time” shows me it’s the same people being polled over and over.

Not a representative sample.

[Demsrule86]

34. It is but one tool.

But doom and gloom depresses voter turnout and all these posts offer no advice about what people should other than panicking.

[LakeArenal]

40. I'm not panicked. Have refused to be panicked.

Angry mostly.

Whatever emotion, doesn’t mean we don’t need to vote.

I’m absolutely positive Joe will win.

But only if we vote.

2020 is not 2016.20. Despite media’s attempts to have a horse race.

[Demsrule86]

89. That is exactly how I feel...we need to turn out the vote...there is a reason the GOP wants fewer

people voting.

[The Magistrate]

5. Thank You, Ma'am

People convinced they will lose are very good at making that conviction come true. Gen. Grant at the Wilderness exploded at his Army of the Potomac staff, telling them he was tired of being told what daring move or other 'Bobby Lee' was going to pull off soon, and that they ought to get to figuring out what they were going to do to 'Bobby Lee' and do it to him. Overconfidence should be guarded against, an enemy should not be underestimated, but a situation should be looked at dispassionately and judged without fear. We are winning, and we are winning because there are a damned sight more of us than them.

[coti]

8. Grant was also excellent at learning from his past mistakes.

I don't think he would say that we shouldn't take the threat from Russia very seriously.

[Demsrule86]

90. And how do we do this? What actions do we need to take?

[Demsrule86]

35. Thank you sir...and you are exactly right.

We need to have confidence...

[Alex4Martinez]

6. I wonder if election fraud will take place anywhere, I wonder.

Because reliability of polls aside, they're fucking with the legitimacy of elections and this season I fear it will be at historic levels.

So, polls or no polls, even if the polls accurately reflect the intentions of actual voters, we could easily lose if we don't fight at the state and local levels to be sure we aren't fucked, again.

[Demsrule86]

37. How about advice about how we fight? There is much being done to end voter suppression and the

three states that cost Hillary the EC are now in Democratic hands.

[Alex4Martinez]

76. Work at the county level first, then state level. It's different everywhere.

The advice is to become engaged locally, is voting electronic where you live? Are the machines reliable? Have there been irregularities in the past and if so will they occur again?

Vigilance at the local level is the best advice I can give. I work with our county elections officer, I would hope that everyone else tries that.

[Demsrule86]

91. I watch these things of course. But people have little choice over how they vote...in terms of

machines. Even votes by mail here use optical scanners but there is a record which is good...Ohio is where I live.

[Johnny2X2X]

7. It will take shenanigans for Trump to win

Biden is too far out in front and there is too little time left for Trump to catch him in any legitimate election.

It will take major cheating , way more than in 2016, for Trump to win. The type of cheating where 80% of the country will be sure that he cheated because there is proof everywhere. In other words, only a coup of our Democracy can save Trump now.

[Demsrule86]

38. And I have always said the path to victory is through WI, PA and MI...I posted state graphics over

and over...If the blue wall holds the GOP are fucked...and we have Democratic governors this year...and why didn't the bad actors save the house if they could? I think we need too have polls watchers.

[coti]

9. This is a strawman. No one is saying "don't believe the polls."

You, on the other hand, are saying that we shouldn't learn from what happened in 2016. I completely disagree. We need to fully recognize the threat Russia's election attacks pose to our democracy.

[Celerity]

26. +100000

[LakeArenal]

28. I don't hear that at all. Go figure.

[Demsrule86]

100. There are DU OP's saying don't believe the polls...the title.

"I am calling BS on polls showing Biden way ahead"I am not linking it but here is a title...

[Demsrule86]

41. I am saying 16 has nothing to do with this election. They were completely different years...and yes

There have been many posts where people explicitly say they don't believe the polls...and worse than that, some claim no matter what we do, we will lose because of the Russians or massive GOP cheating. This sort of thing depresses turnout...it doesn't increase it.

[uponit7771]

63. +1

[ms liberty]

72. This. n/t

[ProfessorGAC]

82. There Were 2 OPs That Said Exactly That

One was verbatim. "Don't believe the polls" in the title.
So, to say nobody is saying it is false.
In addition, while I agree with your concerns, there is a refusal to believe, among some, that human nature won't make some people to back a winner if they swing vote. People who diligently vote, but aren't committed to one philosophy, are less likely to decide to vote for someone trailing badly. And, they're more likely to want to feel they're part of the solution and vote for the person who has the lead that makes them appear to be obviously the winner.
I think these big poll leads for Biden are a PR weapon, not something to dismiss.
And, the bigger the lead, the harder it is to cheat.

[Demsrule86]

88. Exactly! +10000

People want to be part of a winning campaign.

[Demsrule86]

87. Actually some do say don't believe. the polls...and 2016 is nothing like 2020

[Jirel]

10. No.

Polling margin of error is huge these days. Hillary was also way ahead of Trump in polls. Lack of skepticism is a great way to put people’s guard down, and that can be deadly.

Take back from the polls what matters. Trump is trending down - that’s useful data. Trump is polling loweER in key states. Good news, but don’t trust the spread and keep working like hell in those states because “likely voters” are not the same as “people who actually do show up at the polls and vote.”

[Demsrule86]

42. Give specifics...working like hell how? By posting gloom and doom constantly?

How does that help. No useful advice is ever given in these posts.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

79. Specifics please. What is this "doom & gloom" you speaketh. nt

[Demsrule86]

105. Check out OP's...

No answer I see.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

107. What?

[efhmc]

12. 2016 is still deeply disturbing to many if not all Dems.

So logic and reason can't calm that fear until if and when Joe Biden is in the WH.

[coti]

15. Explain the "logic and reason" of Russia not attacking the 2020 presidential election. nt

[Demsrule86]

121. We lost because the left abandoned Hillary and voted for Stein, stayed home or wrote someone in...

Now, Trump promised manufacturing jobs in hard hit blue wall states who had not recovered that much from then 2008 recession. And some took a chance making the election too close. Sure the Russians had trolls on Facebook and twitter...maybe even here trying to get people to vote for Trump and it worked...but this is a different year. We didn't have a pandemic, economic collapse, social unrest or an incumbent president in. This election is all about Trump and he is losing...a referendum on Trump.

[Demsrule86]

43. Well these post won't help put Biden in the White House...in fact I believe they hamper the effort.

[hamsterjill]

13. I will not stop.

I don’t care about polls. I live in red state Texas and I SEE the idiots who support Trump, actually WORSHIP Trump, on a daily basis. There are a whole hell of a lot of them!

Fuck every last poll out there. All that matters is who is the certified winner after November 3rd. If we want to win, we’ve got to vote in record numbers.

[LakeArenal]

29. This.

[Demsrule86]

44. A reasonable view point but why should people in Texas vote if they are being told over and over

that it is hopeless which is what some not but some of these OP's

[hamsterjill]

94. All polls I've seen are indicating a strong lead by Biden

Those to me represent a danger that voters will think “Aw, Biden will win anyway, so why should I bother voting”.

It was a tactic used in 2016.

Just vote. Period. Ignore the polls. They mean nothing. They are just someone’s opinion.

[Faux pas]

14. Trolls

maybe?

[bullwinkle428]

16. Promoting the message of "don't be complacent" makes us trolls?

Okay, fine.

[Faux pas]

21. I

was referring to the gloom and doomers, so excuse the hell out of me.

[Demsrule86]

97. No...but I would appreciate a description of how one refrains from being complacent.

What actions would do this? And how does being happy about a poll encourage complacency? I vote in every election...all of them. I work every election.

[Demsrule86]

45. Some are people who supported other candidates and want Biden to win but just not by 'that' much,

and some may be trolls...who knows? I have not seen but one OP that I though the person might be a troll.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

17. No no no - staying vigilant to Putin interference is not the same as "why bother

as the Russians will make sure Trump wins". Never ever stop being alert and calling out putin/bunker boy/GOP corruption, because they're not stopping. If anything they will just get more devious.

[Demsrule86]

46. Calling out how? Specifics please.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

55. Let me ask you, & specifics please. What are these "doom & gloom posts" you speak of? Specifically

what are the DUers saying in "doom and gloom posts all over DU imploring us not to believe the polls." - that they need to "JUST STOP!"

[Demsrule86]

98. Every poll with good news is met with dire predictions about 2016 and don't get 'cocky or

complacent...not calling out any DUer but there have been more than ten probably today.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

106. Not specific enough. But do you have a disagreement with not getting "cocky or complacent" - sounds

like prudent advice to me. Ask any athlete or sport enthusiast what happens when one gets "cocky or complacent".

[Newest Reality]

18. This is the problem...

This is the problem with going to extremes in various situations and in communication.

In this case, the old adage, hope for the best and prepare for the worst is close to the way to put it.

Is it hard to celebrate and be jubilant about good polling news while also realizing that you have to be part of fulfilling the contract, so to speak, by turning out and doing your part and reinforcing the indications? Can't they both coincide?

[Demsrule86]

47. Absolutely, but the doom and gloom OP's discourage voters...one could not the good polls and

be pleased and it could make us want to work harder...

[Newest Reality]

59. Yes.

Well, I support your OP.

Doom and gloom have no place in this historic battle we face, that's for certain. It sounds like depression and fear my play into that as well and it is understandable that the stress and shock of recent events would induce that.

Here's wishing everyone more intestinal fortitude, solidarity and better focus on the important duty we have to democracy itself.

Maybe the idea of what we may be able to accomplish after we win will also help. The focus on democracy itself is at issue now and we really have to expand and strengthen it in every way so that it does not fail, (perish the thought) and takes us all into the rest of this century with more equality, freedom and prosperity for everyone and for all races which means ALL Americans.

Much work and many changes await and we can do that with the right kind of Executive Branch to lead us into a new cycle of resilience and vision that brings pragmatic results more rapidly than ever before. We can and will do better, if we want.

Eyes on the prize!

[betsuni]

19. Yes. If I have to hear crap about being "complacent" form now until November I will start

screaming and never stop. Biden will win unless there is major cheating.

[coti]

20. There is a good chance there will be major cheating.

Now what?

[betsuni]

24. It's impossible to get most Americans to vote without making it mandatory.

Sigh, don't know what to do.

[Demsrule86]

103. We won the house even with the gerrymander...we turned Virginia blue...we can win this.

Be of good cheer and have faith. It we all work to get out the vote and vote, we will win this.

[Demsrule86]

86. How did we win the house? We over performed.

[Demsrule86]

51. That is why I wrote this OP...I was screaming!!!!

I am tired of this sort of thing...there was an OP not long ago that was titled 'Fuck the Polls".

[betsuni]

131. I saw it again today, which will be every day from now on.

SERENITY NOW.

[agingdem]

22. the poll numbers are right so

stop the fretting, the pearl clutching, the gloom and doom scenarios...Biden is doing great...and please no more "why isn't Biden out there hammering Trump"... not sure who said this but I'll paraphrase "you don't kill someone when they're committing suicide"... and Trump is rotting and he's taking the rancid GOP with him...so relax...Biden's got this

[Demsrule86]

52. Thank you...exactly. Of course we need to do our part...but it is looking good. And Biden is

doing a good job and is driving Trump crazy...Trump said Biden would be the next president on Hannity the other night (saw it online). How does Trump think Biden wins but some here are wringing their hands?

[agingdem]

71. I think a lot of the hand wringers

are buying into trump's gaslighting garbage...never said it, never happened, fake news blah blah...when FUX news has trump's poll numbers swirling the toilet then it's time to believe it...but not get complacent...

[Demsrule86]

85. I work every election...GOTV...data-whatever I can do. But I am really excited this year and that is

a good thing. I am telling you this could be a realignment election...Joe Biden may be our Roosevelt and may save this country. We may see more progressive policy than we have in decades. Joe Biden is a progressive and always was. He has good ideas and if we get the Senate, we could truly see some policy we have wanted for decades become law.

[agingdem]

114. I think once Biden is in the White House

We have to go back to when we were part of the global community .. when our air and oceans were cleaner ..when we embraced immigrants ..when we spurned dictators.. we have to realign our courts and on and on .. only then can we move forward and lead

[sarisataka]

32. 304 - 227

That was the result of the final poll, and the only poll that matters.

Some things said in 2016 about chaves of winning, negative data and people urging caution:

- guaranteed
- in the bag
- take it to the bank
- bet the farm
- we could run a ham sandwich
- landslide
- historic margin
- poor poll question
- biased polling
- too small sample
- media wants a horse race
- debbie downer
- trolls try to suppress votes
- doom and gloom

There were many others, but I have seen most of these repeated in 2020

I expect the final poll will be much closer this time, about 287 - 260.

I am not yet confident which person will get the 278, so I intend to keep pushing people to vote. I do not want overconfidence to be a factor.

[Demsrule86]

54. Oh please, Biden has been leading the entire primary...and 16 is nothing like this year.

[Kingofalldems]

36. This time it's completely different.

We win handily in a fair election.

[Demsrule86]

57. Yes it is a different year. And we have people out there working on voter suppression Stacy Abrams

for one. I think we will win. We had a gerrymandered house and yet we over-performed and took it back. We can do this.

[DFW]

39. That's not what I'm seeing

The posts I see are just reminding us that our seeming advantage at the moment is something we dare not piss away due to over-confidence. Indeed, whatever our advantage, we should press ahead with it AS IF it weren't there. Complacency is our enemy. Enemies are more easily overcome when not ignored. Not doom and gloom, just sound advice from people who have been there, seen that. If Hamilton Jordan were still around, he could speak volumes on the subject. 1976 and 1992 were victories that were closer than they should have been because they seemed so obvious.

[Demsrule86]

60. Every bit of good news (polls and other stuff too) is met with doom and gloom. I bet there are

more than 10 OP's right now addressing the very good polls...doom and gloom doesn't make people work harder...just the opposite.

[DFW]

111. I guess I read the wrong threads

I don't live in this machine, and have a life out there in the real world. Besides, there is the time difference to consider, since we are anywhere from six to nine hours ahead of you people back there in North America. For example, I just can't be bothered to read the 487,634th thread telling me why Alexander Throttlebottom (or whoever it is this hour) just HAS to be Joe Biden's pick for VP. That goes for a lot of other threads as well, obviously.

[Miguelito Loveless]

48. I have watched two men who lost the election

rise to the presidency.

Color me cynical.

[Demsrule86]

61. I believe in self fulfilling prophecies. If you have no hope and enough people have no hope,

then you will lose...what about the ones who did win like Clinton and Obama?

[MoonlitKnight]

49. We have 130 days to go

What were the polls 130 days ago?

Also, if you look at the polls they show about 14% of the vote is still fluid.

Yes, the decision gets baked in right about this point of the race.
Normally both candidates get a convention bounce. No idea what happens in a pandemic.

Yes, we are very likely to win and win big. Let’s make sure we finish Trump and Trumpism and enabling Republicans all the way down the ballot. And let’s get those Biden numbers over 55% to lock in his vote.

[Demsrule86]

66. Now this is a reasonable useful post and I agree completely. And I would remind you that 130 days

ago, the primary was still going on. And the pandemic was not a factor or the terrible economy.

[NurseJackie]

50. It makes Michael Moore happy to see this type of negativity and hopelessness...

It makes Michael Moore happy to see this type of negativity and hopelessness. Fuck Michael Moore. Rather than trying to get people inspired and motivated, his negativity just sucks the life out of a room and deflates everyone's sails. Fuck Michael Moore! It's almost as though he gets a bigger thrill out of being able to say "told you so" at the failures... rather than being a positive driving force that leads us to victory. Fuck Michael Moore.

PS: Great post! Thanks for the OP!!

[Demsrule86]

68. Thank you Nurse Jackie...and your post is perfect and true. The constant 'what about 16 ' does

nothing but reduce enthusiasm, and make some think it is hopeless. And there are some here who supported a different candidate who want to be right as well.

[Bettie]

53. Also, some of us are still twitchy

after 2016.

I'm literally afraid to be optimistic.

I look at the Trumpers I know who are still all-fucking-in on him and I feel hopeless.

I also feel stupid for having believed at one time that they were decent human beings.

So, I'm hoping for the best but preparing for the worst possible outcome.

[Demsrule86]

70. There are not enough 'Trumpers' for the win IMHO. And we have enough misery in our lives without

refusing to be hopeful when things look good...they do look good in terms of beating Trump and maybe it will be a historic realignment. It could happen.

[Bettie]

75. Obviously you don't live in a town

filled to the brim with MAGATs. People who I once was able to be friendly with I now avoid, even before COVID, because I can't square their "hi how are you" friendly demeanor with what they have shown themselves to be at their core.

Yes, it looks good. It did in 2016 too.

Agent Orange is a whole lot more desperate now.

I'm hoping for the best while preparing for the worst, because if he wins, that will be devastating for all of us and not just emotionally.

I'm not counting any chickens right now.

[Demsrule86]

83. I live in Ohio. If you look at the polls that included Stein...not

surprising that Trump won the EC...remember he barely won...and he has lost support. We have reason to be hopeful.

[Bettie]

92. I talk up the hopefulness with every person I meet

here, I allow myself to show how I really feel, because it's mostly a semi-friendly crowd, people who I figure should understand the dread that accompanies me every single day.

Yeah, there's reason to be hopeful, but also reason to feel that 'when will the other shoe drop' feeling.

[Demsrule86]

96. I wish I could make you feel better...living with dread is no way to live. Hubs and I are out of

work. We could lose everything we worked for...but still have hope. Good luck!

[Bettie]

101. We're managing

DH is, fortunately, an essential worker. He fixes hospital sterilizers, so he's super cautious.

I've been trapped at home pretty much 24/7 since March, with my 19, 17, and 11 year old sons, two dogs, and a bunch of cats...so my moods are..um, variable.

Some days, I think "we've got this". Others, I feel hopeless.

Deep down, I don't believe that Dumbass Donny can pull it off without blatant in-your-face cheating and that's the part that worries me.

IF he does cheat in a way that is utterly open and obvious...will anything be done? I fear this because, well, there have been few curbs to his behavior overall and Barr is willing to do literally anything in service to that orange creature. Republican governors are similarly supportive of anything he says or does, as well as Republican senators and congresscritters.

He has a lot of powerful enablers with no ethics.

So, ultimately, we'll see. Hopefully, it will go well and we'll get to watch him go to prison.

Thanks for the conversation. I'm tired of talking to boys all the time.

[Demsrule86]

124. Oh I get it and teens are rough...my son who is now a productive citizen sat up in his room and

played video games for almost two years...he was mad because we had to move when he was a senior...his Dad's plant was closing. Three boys are a handful I bet! I have three girls and one boy. Love them to death. Do yours talk? Mine mostly texted...hehe.

[Bettie]

125. They converse occasionally

but, not for long.

They have been learning woodworking and blacksmithing from their dad this summer, though there is a lot of video gaming too.

The largest one is teaching the smallest to play Saxophone so he's good to go for 6th grade band.

The two big ones will both be in the same college in early August, both in marching band too. Well, if college actually happens, but we're in Iowa, where the population is kind of spread out.

I adore my boys, but sometimes, I really wish I had a girl to do some of the girl things with. Don't know what I'll do with only the small one around. He can't even reach the high shelves!

[Ms. Toad]

56. So you liked 2016 and want to repeat it. Got it.

People on DU (and elsewhere) were so cocky about the sure victory in 2016 that it contributed to Trump's election - by people skipping voting if it was inconvenient (because Clinton was a sure thing), but people voting for 3rd party candidates (because Clinton was a sure thing and they wanted to send a message to "President" Clinton), and by some even voting in the Republican primary to ensure that Trump (the nothinburger candidate) would be Clinton's opponent.

And, FWIW, your post telling us to stop with the doom and gloom is exactly what happened in 2016 to those of us who dared suggest that the election was not in the bag.

How you avoid complacency is to stop treating the polls as gospel, and to stop crowing about how big Biden's victory is going to be, and treat this work as if the polls didn't exist.

[Demsrule86]

73. There are more than 10 posts this morning saying essentially that we are going to lose in one

way or the other. and the polls are wrong blah blah..and what they don't understand and you as well...is that it is not 2016. This election is nothing like 2016. Refusing to recognize the good news in the polls is not a way to fight complacency...and your post gives no concrete suggestions to fight complacency. why should refuse to recognize good news and not feel good about it? iI increases enthusiasm and makes you want work harder while post such as yours dampen enthusiasm and lead to unnecessary hand wringing. I know that is not your intention and that you truly believe this is helpful...but I disagree.

[rufus dog]

58. Agree, plays right into the pukes hand

Dems saying it is early, things could change.

The message should be, "Damn right Biden is going to kick his ass! what we should be talking about is what the hell is wrong with almost 40% of the electorate supporting a proven liar, loser, incompetent buffoon!"

FFS, we need to learn how to act like they would. tRump needs to be a laughingstock.

[Demsrule86]

74. That is how I feel about it. We are and will continue kicking some Trump ass.

[uponit7771]

62. Your first statement is 100% false, on the state level the Swing State polls were horrible

[Demsrule86]

77. How so?

[uponit7771]

84. Each one of them missed the MOE swing to the negative by 3%, that's horrible. Clinton LOST each swin

... swing state by around 1%

No other polling at any time in swing states had been that off IE Mueller's explanation of Russian backed Stein and Johnson

[Music Man]

65. Yes. While complacency is not good, 2020 is indeed not 2016 at all, and the data show that.

I'm also reminded of a sentiment from watching football games with my dad. If our team is leading in the final minutes, and I'm afraid the lead isn't big enough and we're about to blow it, my dad will often say, "I think I'd rather be leading right now."

If the shoe were on the other foot and national polls showed Biden losing to Trump 36-50% and losing in all the swing states (and then some), we'd be flipping the fuck out.

I'd rather be Joe Biden right now

[Demsrule86]

78. I agree ...excellent post!

[Amy-Strange]

67. I'm begging everyone I know to please vote, but...

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unfortunately (or fortunately), Washington state went to Hillary in 16, and I doubt it'll go trump this time around.

Even though I know who's going to win in November, I'm still working my ass off telling everyone to vote and why?

We can't take any chances:

!!!trump NEEDS To GO!!!
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[Demsrule86]

80. Take a look at your post...why is it unfortunate that Washington went to Hillary?

Democrats are very enthusiastic.

[Amy-Strange]

93. Because...

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I'd rather be in a state that needs more work to get trump OUT!!!

Washington is too damn easy, fortunately, but I'm still doing the best job I can.
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[Demsrule86]

95. I see ...work down ballot races... Also you can call other states you know. I did when I lived in GA

[Amy-Strange]

99. Maybe, but all my relatives and everyone else I know...

-

lives Back East (New England) and those are all going against trump.

And besides, everyone I know hates trump, so who do I call exactly?

I'm not trying to be facetious. I really want to know.
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[Demsrule86]

102. Pick state, do some research on the state or maybe you used to live there or pick a candidate you

like who needs help in a different state...the Democratic campaign will give you a list so you can call to GOTV.

[Amy-Strange]

104. GOTV sounds interesting, and...

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thank you.
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[Demsrule86]

108. You are welcome...be warned some don't answer and some are rude as they are called to much...lists

overlap and all. But I have talked to many wonderful people. And you can do the stuff Biden is doing on the internet too...if you go to his website you will see all sorts of things.

[chriscan64]

69. Just Vote.

It does not matter if you believe and take joy in the polls or if you are leery and choose not to. I would bet my last dollar that every single person here wants to physically pull the lever or push the button against Trump.

[Demsrule86]

81. I agree. Everyone here wants Trump gone. But doom and gloom hurt our efforts to get the vote

out IMHO.

[Amy-Strange]

109. Good news is good news, but...

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some people enjoy being negative.

They love being the bully, and the resulting attention gives them a thrill.

The best way to deal with them is to ignore them, unless they come after you with a gun!!!
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[Demsrule86]

116. Yeah not worried about guns...and ignore works.

[ecstatic]

110. It's not about the polls, it's about election security, funding for mail-in

voting, early voting access, and voter suppression. All of those things need to be addressed prior to the election before we worry about polls.

[Demsrule86]

117. Having a clear overwhelming victory will help with that...and Stacy Abrams, Obama., and I believe

Bloomberg are involved in this. There is no way we can completely address this but we are working on this. Consider, we took the house by over-performing in gerrymandered districts. And polls do matter.

[bucolic_frolic]

112. It's sound reasoning but but but

you have to account for MAGAts. They are conditioned by their leader to lie about everything. So you think they're being honest with the pollsters?

[Demsrule86]

118. Yes...they have no shame. I think the polls are correct. Trump is losing.

[USALiberal]

113. Lol, yes, lets just think we are 100% sure of winning! Nt

[Demsrule86]

119. It is better than living doom and gloom 24 /7.

[linda52]

115. they're concern trolls and agents. n/t

[Demsrule86]

120. Some are...and the others are truly worried and tend to be pessimistic and some wanted a different

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candidate.

[lettucebe]

122. They're all saying "don't think we've won it and you can stay home" -- we all still need to vote

I think that's the messaging behind "don't believe the polls."

[Demsrule86]

123. It is still a depressing message and no one will stay home...but some are saying don't believe the

polls. Why?

[edhopper]

126. What some of us were saying

is pay attention to the State polls, the national polls don't mean anything.

And we have definitely offered how to avoid complacency and over confidence.

If we ignore the Russians and voter suppression, we will lose.

[bdamomma]

127. Everyone

just breathe, we got this if we all vote. Plus watch out for Russian propaganda on full tilt.

[VOX]

128. This cuts both ways: if Trump's way down in polling, why vote, if it's in the bag?

Look, this my belief— polls mean nothing, if I really want Joe to win. I’m pleased by the numbers, but I want to fight as if it’s neck-and-neck. Democrats should never get complacent, especially when there’s something new in the mix— 45’s backed by zealots. Not supporters, but *zealots*, who will obey no law or rule of fair play to keep their “god” in power.

[Silent3]

130. There's always one faction who think good polls are bad news, and another that thinks...

...bad polls are bad news.

One camp claims "they" are trying to lull us into complacency.

The other camp claims "they" are trying to discourage us.

And I'm pretty sure there are a bunch of people who belong to both camps, being certain that any kind of poll, good, bad, or indifferent, is part of some kind of plot.

They idea that many polls could actually be, you know, agenda-free information with varying degrees of quality based on polling technique... unheard of!