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kentuck

(111,079 posts)
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 06:03 PM Jun 2020

I have a problem with John Bolton's "Democratic malpractice" claim about impeachment.

He claims there was a model from Watergate and the Democrats did not use it.

That simply is not true. Democrats controlled the House and Senate when Watergate was going on. And there were much more moderate Republicans at that time.

It would have been nice if Pelosi and the Democrats had had the votes to convict Trump. But, they knew they didn't have the votes. Still, they impeached. Because it was their duty to impeach. It was the duty of the Senate to convict. The House had to do their job, regardless of what the Senate did.

Bolton's claim of "Democratic malpractice" is not consistent with his comments that no matter if he had testified, no one was going to change their minds about Trump at that stage of the game. The Democrats could not change any minds? That does not mean the Democrats should not have impeached.

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I have a problem with John Bolton's "Democratic malpractice" claim about impeachment. (Original Post) kentuck Jun 2020 OP
I have a problem with John Bolton. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #1
Thread over. Iggo Jun 2020 #33
IMHO, Bolton is just deflecting from his cowardice and avarice Siwsan Jun 2020 #2
he's rewriting his bio... agingdem Jun 2020 #3
I thought he was a POS before now, his interview on Colbert Fresh_Start Jun 2020 #4
He's tap dancing his way around words stillcool Jun 2020 #5
The SOB was on MSNBC's Deadline WH earlier. Said he wouldn't vote for Biden & Repugs need to keep onetexan Jun 2020 #6
Bolton is a true believer in the Wellstone ruled Jun 2020 #8
Yeah he said he thought Agnew was a great man Bev54 Jun 2020 #11
But,Nixon found a home for him Wellstone ruled Jun 2020 #12
LOL funny thing is earlier he bragged about how he first got into politics by interning for Spiro onetexan Jun 2020 #14
Got them WMD's buried out there in the desert you know. Wellstone ruled Jun 2020 #17
Bolton did not impress me. True Blue American Jun 2020 #7
Bolton did not have the balls to go to congress and talk. He was already fired. It was HIS choice. onecaliberal Jun 2020 #9
Bolton is an extremist, political hack dlk Jun 2020 #10
Bullshit. moondust Jun 2020 #13
He's an insane WARMONGER!!!! FUCK HIM spanone Jun 2020 #15
Bolton is an asshole Gothmog Jun 2020 #16
there is also the radio/limbaugh factor. he's full of shit to think enough certainot Jun 2020 #18
John Bolton is a tool DeminPennswoods Jun 2020 #19
"Obstruction of Justice as a way of life". Bolton was complicit as anyone. Marcuse Jun 2020 #20
so help me God... kentuck Jun 2020 #21
It was downright Trumpian comment, i.e. attack Dems for what you yourself are guilty of. Not a r Kashkakat v.2.0 Jun 2020 #22
I have a problem with John Bolton, period. He and Trump are alike in that they both hate America. NNadir Jun 2020 #23
How many times does one person get to kill a country? czarjak Jun 2020 #24
It's the Democrat's fault ... stopdiggin Jun 2020 #25
Pelosi, Schiff, and others need to come out and challenge Bolton. LiberalFighter Jun 2020 #26
Bolton is a self-serving SOB. Watergate? There were still Republicans with honor left... Hekate Jun 2020 #27
Even Goldwater supported Nixon's impeachment Major Nikon Jun 2020 #28
:) Kentuck, the argument's lost when we buy the premise. Hortensis Jun 2020 #29
Pay no mind..... louzke9 Jun 2020 #30
Bolton's comments on the democratic impeachment process are a self-serving crock of shit. Nitram Jun 2020 #31
+100 kentuck Jun 2020 #32

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
4. I thought he was a POS before now, his interview on Colbert
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 06:15 PM
Jun 2020

reminded me he is nothing but a partisan hack WHO when he had a chance to do the right thing for the country, did nothing.

At that point, trump's incompetence and unfitness was readily apparent to even Bolton, but he did nothing.

onetexan

(13,036 posts)
6. The SOB was on MSNBC's Deadline WH earlier. Said he wouldn't vote for Biden & Repugs need to keep
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 06:21 PM
Jun 2020

the Senate. Slimy snake as usual. He said those things about the Idiot to make $ off his book. He's narcissistic & greedy like the Idiot.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
8. Bolton is a true believer in the
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 06:26 PM
Jun 2020

Right wing Dogma,and always has been. Got to remember,he was a Aide to Agnew back in the day.

Bev54

(10,047 posts)
11. Yeah he said he thought Agnew was a great man
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 06:37 PM
Jun 2020

failed to say he was as corrupt a criminal as a VP and resigned in disgrace and went to jail. What a great man to look up to. Asshole is not any better.

onetexan

(13,036 posts)
14. LOL funny thing is earlier he bragged about how he first got into politics by interning for Spiro
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 07:02 PM
Jun 2020

that he was impressed by how conservative and good this person was, and THEN it turned out he was a corrupt politician. Ironic.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
17. Got them WMD's buried out there in the desert you know.
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 07:48 PM
Jun 2020

That and that Mobile Chemical lab. Friggin Agricultural Spray Nurse Truck,yup,way to go Johnny.

moondust

(19,972 posts)
13. Bullshit.
Thu Jun 25, 2020, 06:55 PM
Jun 2020

The WH was going to tie up everything in the courts for months. Ignoring subpoenas, withholding records, etc. Republicans turned committee hearings into a circus. I've heard Bolton try to compare that partisan circus to the Watergate committees. Watergate was long before the hyperpartisan gridlock created by Kenneth Starr, Fox News, Limbaugh, Gingrich, Tom Delay, Tea Party, McConnell, Dump & Co.

Bolton says he worked on the Goldwater and Reagan campaigns. He's been really fucked up for a really long time.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
18. there is also the radio/limbaugh factor. he's full of shit to think enough
Fri Jun 26, 2020, 09:04 AM
Jun 2020

republicans would join the democrats to make a difference with trump/putin's radio stations blasting "TRAITOR!" all day

either he knows that is another difference re watergate and he's lying or he's a fucking idiot as well as an asshole

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,752 posts)
22. It was downright Trumpian comment, i.e. attack Dems for what you yourself are guilty of. Not a r
Fri Jun 26, 2020, 04:11 PM
Jun 2020

reiable witness in other words. Is his book full of BS as well? Probably - why bother reading it.

NNadir

(33,512 posts)
23. I have a problem with John Bolton, period. He and Trump are alike in that they both hate America.
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 11:30 AM
Jun 2020

I have nothing to say about this slime mold of a man.

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
27. Bolton is a self-serving SOB. Watergate? There were still Republicans with honor left...
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 07:15 PM
Jun 2020

Those were the men who walked over to Nixon's White House and told him it was time to go. For the good of the country.

But that was long ago -- in another country, so to speak, and those men are dead.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
29. :) Kentuck, the argument's lost when we buy the premise.
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 09:16 PM
Jun 2020

No matter how right you are, NEVER start a refutation by repeating the claim you're refuting. Bolton didn't write the book I read it in, but he could ahve.

McConnell and company would have refused to find Trump guilty if he'd shot someone right there on the senate floor.

Everyone knew that going in.

louzke9

(296 posts)
30. Pay no mind.....
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 08:10 AM
Jun 2020

to what Bolton is claiming. Most people know he is trying to deflect from his unsavory behavior in all of this. Also it shows that Bolton is not that intelligent when it comes to historical facts and is hoping others are not either! But THESE FACTS are good to point out when we see bloggers criticize Democrats. Only a Democratic win of all three branches in November will can remedy some of the damage the GOP and Trump have foisted upon/to this country.

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
31. Bolton's comments on the democratic impeachment process are a self-serving crock of shit.
Sun Jun 28, 2020, 07:08 PM
Jun 2020

The Democratic strategy of choosing a limited but very serious crime with clear evidence that it had been committed was smart and legally sound. Taking Bolton's path of charging Trump with every crime he had committed since entering office would have ended in a quagmire of confusion and competing narratives. As Bolton well knows. He sold out his country to make a few million dollars on a book.

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