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OK, non Confederate leaders statues coming down. (Original Post) Doreen Jun 2020 OP
They probably don't care FreeState Jun 2020 #1
Times change killaphill Jun 2020 #6
Well, it also means we need to get rid of the name America LeftInTX Jun 2020 #44
Oh, it will come down but not for the reasons you believe misanthrope Jun 2020 #47
At this point... 2naSalit Jun 2020 #2
Dems have tremendous momentum, 70% support on police brutality. empedocles Jun 2020 #4
Very well put. HotTeaBag Jun 2020 #40
Well, he did refuse Mme. Defarge Jun 2020 #3
Sunny HOSTIN on The View said no wooden teeth, all teeth pulled from his slaves UTUSN Jun 2020 #5
Meghan MecCain did NOT like that. But she looks pissy all the time on that show... CTyankee Jun 2020 #10
the good news is so much information is now available to anyone with an Internet connection. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2020 #32
Still Enough Time for Democrats to Blow this Election... Stallion Jun 2020 #7
apparently you do take statues down... stillcool Jun 2020 #13
I'm a History Major and Spent about 50 Years Studying American History Stallion Jun 2020 #15
I think that's the problem...American History stillcool Jun 2020 #28
Haven't you heard? misanthrope Jun 2020 #48
Woe to us all if that day should ever come. jcmaine72 Jun 2020 #61
Then you haven't looked hard enough. PTWB Jun 2020 #54
Let's not forget that the Russian's primary method of disruption is racial unrest maximusveritas Jun 2020 #21
A good litmus test there. Whatever benefits trump and the Russians - id-elogies aside, empedocles Jun 2020 #31
Sadly Repubs aren't the only ones who overreach Sugarcoated Jun 2020 #66
this is more complicated than confederate generals and politicians unblock Jun 2020 #8
I Agree The River Jun 2020 #45
Thankfully Joe Biden doesn't peddle in this nonsense. tritsofme Jun 2020 #9
It may seem to you to be stupid but pulling down statues of people considered tyrants is not a CTyankee Jun 2020 #12
Washington was a tyrant? I offer Exhibit A. tritsofme Jun 2020 #16
He was, evidently, a cruel master. To those he enslaved, he would probably be considered a tyrant. CTyankee Jun 2020 #34
None of the founders were perfect Sugarcoated Jun 2020 #69
OK, I looked up "cancel culture." CTyankee Jun 2020 #78
Posts Sugarcoated Jun 2020 #79
I know, right? Sugarcoated Jun 2020 #72
Works for me. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #11
So I guess we should knock down every statue of any American before 1863. I don't care doc03 Jun 2020 #14
I agree. It is getting ridiculous. Polly Hennessey Jun 2020 #17
I guess we have to destroy all records of any of our presidents before 1865 if it wasn't doc03 Jun 2020 #20
I'm okay with that. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #27
Not just Columbus, I said Grant and Washington also doc03 Jun 2020 #58
Why do you think Columbus deserves a statue? WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #59
And did great things for our Country edhopper Jun 2020 #18
Grant also started an illegal war against the Lakota. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #29
And won the fucking Civil War edhopper Jun 2020 #37
So what's the formula? WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #38
that there is a difference between edhopper Jun 2020 #39
But he also started an illegal war. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #42
Every single leader of the past were imperfect Sugarcoated Jun 2020 #67
Nah, just deed it back in its entirety. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #70
Riiiight. Sugarcoated Jun 2020 #71
Not sure what drew that response? WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #73
Responded to what you said. Sugarcoated Jun 2020 #76
How do you think deeding would? WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #80
Never gonna happen because most would not support that. Sugarcoated Jun 2020 #81
Would you support deeding it back to the Lakota? WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #83
Yes, I'd support that Sugarcoated Jun 2020 #85
"My wish, and I've thought about this a lot, is they include more faces to represent Native people." WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #86
It disturbs me that merely suggesting a difference between hlthe2b Jun 2020 #19
... Tipperary Jun 2020 #30
Well Stated! ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #75
Grant, Washington, Jesus - whomever. jmg257 Jun 2020 #22
Shaun King has a strong desire for incitement hlthe2b Jun 2020 #23
Many people in the Bible had slaves. Buckeye_Democrat Jun 2020 #24
Stop. Just stop. Hekate Jun 2020 #25
Confederate or not? Tipperary Jun 2020 #26
Yeah, great idea 4 months before the election. GulfCoast66 Jun 2020 #33
If we act stupidly enough, then maybe we deserve it. Crunchy Frog Jun 2020 #50
I am stunned that some here think this is a good thing Sugarcoated Jun 2020 #68
I take that back... Sugarcoated Jun 2020 #77
Eyes are getting way off the prize frazzled Jun 2020 #35
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2020 #63
Someone on a similar thread called it the American Taliban. SharonClark Jun 2020 #36
Don't care Polybius Jun 2020 #41
The difference, to me, is what the central part of their legacy is. Music Man Jun 2020 #43
K&R SharonClark Jun 2020 #87
World War II monument defaced with paint at Charlotte cemetery tinymontgomery Jun 2020 #46
When I was in college Ex Lurker Jun 2020 #53
Who exactly pulled the statue? Gothamyst Jun 2020 #49
Considering how many people on this board are defending it, Crunchy Frog Jun 2020 #51
I saw few if any POC Ex Lurker Jun 2020 #52
We must have a lot of provocateurs here then hardluck Jun 2020 #55
Idiots. Sounds like right-wingers could be behind it rockfordfile Jun 2020 #56
70's style anarachists LeftInTX Jun 2020 #57
Time would be better spent getting out the vote, working on voter protections. Alex4Martinez Jun 2020 #60
That's my sticking point misanthrope Jun 2020 #84
This plays perfectly well into the right-wing narrative that liberals are anti-white ansible Jun 2020 #62
Sadly, you're right Polybius Jun 2020 #64
We need to be very careful about the precedent we're setting. SpazzTheCat Jun 2020 #65
Same Sugarcoated Jun 2020 #74
He was also a founding father and our first president. totodeinhere Jun 2020 #82

FreeState

(10,553 posts)
1. They probably don't care
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:21 PM
Jun 2020

However this brings up a couple things. Should Washington State and D.C. change their names? Is that even possible?

 

killaphill

(212 posts)
6. Times change
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:31 PM
Jun 2020

I won't be around to see it, but in, say, 100 years, I think we'll see the following:

-- George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and some of the other leaders of the Revolutionary War will no longer be seen as "heroes" and "founding fathers". They will be viewed largely the way Confederate leaders are viewed today, and their images will be removed from the public sphere. This won't be a problem with currency... in 100 years there will be no paper currency.

-- Washington, District of Columbia will be renamed. The name is problematic on both ends.

-- Many of our national monuments will evolve. Perhaps the Washington Monument won't come down, but will be repurposed, and no longer honor one (flawed) man

The country will be vastly different. White people will be a shrinking minority (perhaps 30-40% of the country), and their voices will be largely drowned out by the evolving majority.


Again, I wish I was, but I won't be around to see it (barring some sort of medical breakthrough )

LeftInTX

(24,560 posts)
44. Well, it also means we need to get rid of the name America
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 11:37 PM
Jun 2020

Get rid of any city named after a saint.

Look this stuff happened in the 70s...It was 50 years ago...Nothing much has changed at all. I don't know of any major US city that changed their name. The big thing was that African Americans changed their names. Other than that, the confederate flag has blown up all over the place. Now it's showing up in Wisconsin and Michigan. (This was unheard of up there in the 70s). The American Indian Movement didn't accomplish a whole lot. There were no walls or fences on the southern border 50 years ago. Not many people were deported unless they were true criminals. It has gotten worse, not matter.

Just because protesters are mad, doesn't mean it's going to happen.....

misanthrope

(7,405 posts)
47. Oh, it will come down but not for the reasons you believe
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 12:42 AM
Jun 2020

The bedlam resulting from climate change will eventually topple our system of governance and what we recognize as our civilization. That's something I don't think you'll want to be around to witness.

2naSalit

(86,071 posts)
2. At this point...
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:21 PM
Jun 2020

It's probably best to let go of our idolatry and move forward, finally. They're only statues when it all comes down to it, they are just things and most are misrepresentations anyway.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
4. Dems have tremendous momentum, 70% support on police brutality.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:28 PM
Jun 2020

Be awful if that 70% gets split away on various narrower interests, wannabe leaders, etc.

That is pretty much what happened in the later 1960's, with Dems pretty much also rans for 40 years.

As Maher conjectured, do they get together and try to do stupid?

UTUSN

(70,497 posts)
5. Sunny HOSTIN on The View said no wooden teeth, all teeth pulled from his slaves
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:30 PM
Jun 2020

that she only got that from Black Studies (not standard schooling), that he chased down escapees and tortured his slaves.






dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
32. the good news is so much information is now available to anyone with an Internet connection.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 08:51 PM
Jun 2020

I am amazed at the breadth of topics on YouTube, for example. I'm learning stuff I did not know I did not know.


Black studies was a new thing when I was in colleg, at the University of Washington yet, where lots of "leftist" courses were taught, God bless the 70's.

It's taken awhile for my generation to recognize all the brain washing we got from the average schools in the 50's/60's, etc.

If monuments must, why not Booker T. Washington, or Sojourner Truth, or Elizabeth Blackwell, Florence Nightingale,
etc?
why can't we create monuments to anything but praise for the plundering heroes of malignant capitalism?

Stallion

(6,473 posts)
7. Still Enough Time for Democrats to Blow this Election...
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:32 PM
Jun 2020

you don't take statues down of the Father of the Country, or the designer of the Declaration of Independence or the Emancipator of the Slaves

Keep your eye on the ball

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
13. apparently you do take statues down...
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:50 PM
Jun 2020

I wouldn't worry about Democrats. There are a lot of young people out there doing amazing things...including taking down objects that glorify the worst traits we humans possess. Get rid of the old, and get ready for the new. If a statue is removed, and you don't know anything about it, does it still burn you?

Stallion

(6,473 posts)
15. I'm a History Major and Spent about 50 Years Studying American History
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:56 PM
Jun 2020

No one on this thread has articulated any semblance of a reasonable argument why the Father of our Country, the writer of perhaps the most significant legal document in the history of the world or the General who literally emancipated the slaves should have memorials taken down

I smell a skunk

misanthrope

(7,405 posts)
48. Haven't you heard?
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 12:47 AM
Jun 2020

The Age of Reason has ended.

The U.S. Constitution was written by these same people being canceled. I'm guessing it's bound for the chopping block soon.

jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
61. Woe to us all if that day should ever come.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 09:55 AM
Jun 2020

Cancelling the constitution would boomerang on Progressives in about three seconds. RW'er's love strongmen and authoritarianism. They only care about free speech when they're taken to task for their vile hate speech. Even without the 2nd Amendment they'd still have their military grade weapon's caches.

But us? We should be clinging to the constitution like a drowning man to a piece of driftwood. That's the only thing separating us from having to live under whatever cruel, Christo-fascist regime their tiny brains can conjure up.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
54. Then you haven't looked hard enough.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 01:17 AM
Jun 2020

Reasons abound. Keep these flawed white men in the history books - do not idolize them with monuments.

Just imagine being a young African American and seeing a damned statue of a slave owner. Yeah, a founding father, but still a slave owner. Maybe even one who raped one of your ancestors.

maximusveritas

(2,915 posts)
21. Let's not forget that the Russian's primary method of disruption is racial unrest
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 08:21 PM
Jun 2020

In 2016, they pretended to be both black lives matter and white supremacist groups and get them to fight each other.
No doubt they are involved in things like this now as well since they know this only hurts Democrats.

unblock

(51,974 posts)
8. this is more complicated than confederate generals and politicians
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:39 PM
Jun 2020

the confederacy was created for the express purpose of perpetuating slavery, it was expressly a rebellion against the united states, it was armed treason and it is directly responsible for the death and suffering of a huge number of americans.

moreover, the statues were made and placed, and buildings named after them, not merely to remember some random historical figures, but to perpetuate a system of racial inquality. these people and their names symbolize oppression.


washington, jefferson, and others stood for many things, most of which we're happier to commemorate. freedom from england, founding of the nation, establishing our democracy (such as it is). they did things that were objectionable, but that's not why we name things after them, that's not why we remember them.


people have different attitudes towards famous people with problematic aspects of their history or private lives. personally, i grew up listening to richard wagner (among other classical composers). i'm jewish, and he was a virulent anti-semite, and his music as used by the nazis. but to me, it was just music. i wasn't listening to his anti-semitism, just his music.

but plenty of jews will never listen to his music.

on the other hand, i'm not watching anything with kevin spacey in it again, so maybe i'm not very consistent about this....



The River

(2,615 posts)
45. I Agree
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 11:53 PM
Jun 2020

Put the Confederate monuments in a museum and replace them
with statues of contemporary heroes in civil rights, medicine, politics, music, etc.
Hell, even abstract art would be OK.
Go back in history a few dozen generations and we all had ancestors who did whatever was necessary to survive. They were reflections of and actors in the society, times and place in which they lived. We exist to be "PC" because they weren't. Destroying things is easy, building bridges is hard and forgiveness seems impossible.

tritsofme

(17,325 posts)
9. Thankfully Joe Biden doesn't peddle in this nonsense.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:40 PM
Jun 2020

George Washington was a great man, flawed like the rest of us.

The people pulling down his statues and their apologists are almost the dictionary definition of stupid, it’s like they want Trump to win.

CTyankee

(63,771 posts)
12. It may seem to you to be stupid but pulling down statues of people considered tyrants is not a
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:45 PM
Jun 2020

good sign. These statues are propaganda not art.

CTyankee

(63,771 posts)
34. He was, evidently, a cruel master. To those he enslaved, he would probably be considered a tyrant.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 09:03 PM
Jun 2020

CTyankee

(63,771 posts)
78. OK, I looked up "cancel culture."
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 02:49 PM
Jun 2020

I don't think you meant to insult me, just to tell me I'm not with it, which I'm not. I did think that being an owner of slaves was a bad thing but that's taking into consideration the different era in which our founders lived. Slaves were beaten, raped and often killed by their owners or those acting in their behalf.

Just sayin'.

doc03

(35,148 posts)
14. So I guess we should knock down every statue of any American before 1863. I don't care
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 07:50 PM
Jun 2020

I am a Democrat. I can see Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis but Columbus, Washington and Grant. Believe me there will be a backlash on this and I can't support it myself. They want to change the name of Ohio's capitol, it ain't gonna happen. My ancestors came from what was Virginia at the time I don't know maybe they had slaves too so I guess I should chance my name now. This is just getting ridiculous.

Polly Hennessey

(6,747 posts)
17. I agree. It is getting ridiculous.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 08:01 PM
Jun 2020

Next, anyone named
Lee, Jefferson, Lincoln, Grant, Colombo, White, Davis, etc., will have to change their name. Something that made some sense is now being hammered into stupidity.

doc03

(35,148 posts)
20. I guess we have to destroy all records of any of our presidents before 1865 if it wasn't
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 08:10 PM
Jun 2020

for them we may not have been a democracy. Stuff like this is what will drive millions of independent or undecided voters to Trump.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,150 posts)
27. I'm okay with that.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 08:35 PM
Jun 2020

If a statue can't tell the whole story, should we have statues?

And wait, did you just say you support statues of Christopher Columbus?

edhopper

(33,208 posts)
18. And did great things for our Country
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 08:07 PM
Jun 2020

There is a world of difference between the founders and the Confederates.

Grant owned a slave, and helped free them. Destroy his monuments too?

edhopper

(33,208 posts)
39. that there is a difference between
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 10:07 PM
Jun 2020

Confederate traitors and men who did great things for our country, like found it and save it.

Sugarcoated

(7,707 posts)
67. Every single leader of the past were imperfect
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 02:00 PM
Jun 2020

and men of their time. There's something in every one of the founder's biographies some will be outraged about. So blow up Mount Rushmore, lol?

Sugarcoated

(7,707 posts)
76. Responded to what you said.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 02:46 PM
Jun 2020

Never gonna happen. So should we destroy Mount Rushmore? How do you think that'll go over with most Americans?

Sugarcoated

(7,707 posts)
81. Never gonna happen because most would not support that.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 03:02 PM
Jun 2020

If anything seeing the extreme direction cancel culture is going most Americans will want Mount Rushmore protected now.

Sugarcoated

(7,707 posts)
85. Yes, I'd support that
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 03:24 PM
Jun 2020

but not if they destroy Mount Rushmore. My wish, and I've thought about this a lot, is they include more faces to represent Native people. MLK's face should be there. Cancel culture is purity tests and if not met the journalist/politician/actor/historical figure is cancelled out, career ruined and now statue spray painted and pulled down. It's a form of vigilantism and it's already bitten us in the ass politically, but in a bigger sense it's dangerous.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,150 posts)
86. "My wish, and I've thought about this a lot, is they include more faces to represent Native people."
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 03:38 PM
Jun 2020

But it was built on land taken from them illegally and desecrated by the faces of those who facilitated the colonization of those lands. Carving up the actual land itself is an abomination. So to deed it back to them might mean they let the elements reclaim it, or they eliminate the faces in some way. Would you support that?

Cancel culture is purity tests and if not met the journalist/politician/actor/historical figure is cancelled out, career ruined and now statue spray painted and pulled down.
Whose careers have been ruined by what you describe as cancel culture? If Christopher Columbus doesn't have a state up in a park, does he cease being a historical figure?

hlthe2b

(101,730 posts)
19. It disturbs me that merely suggesting a difference between
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 08:07 PM
Jun 2020

confederate traitors to this country and our founding Fathers will likely elicit a firestorm of controversy and recriminations. To state there is just such a difference is NOT to defend their failures to address the sin of slavery--both personally and in creating the framework upon which our country was founded. But, how long will it be before Lincoln is likewise a focus of derision and disdain because of his own compromises vis-a-vis slavery? He surely fails if one expects a complete and perfect record on this score...

Slavery is our nation's disgrace. No one should glorify the institution nor those who sought to perpetuate it in any way. On that, we can surely agree. But is there no room to judge gradations of culpability and failure on this score--against the totality of the record? Is George Washington really no different than Jefferson Davis or Stonewall Jackson or even Robert E. Lee? Should Thomas Jefferson be judged no differently than Confederate General and KKK Grand Wizard, Nathan Bedford Forrest? Should U. S. Grant, who defeated the Confederacy and went on to fight the KKK's attacks on freed slaves be assessed no differently than Andrew Johnson, who fought to end reconstruction and to turn back all Lincoln's efforts to bring civil rights to black people in the South? (and yes, for the moment I am not addressing Grant's history on Native American issues for which we could/should have an entirely separate discussion and accounting).

I'm still trying to sort these issues out for myself, so please recognize that much of my post is rhetorical. But, like my sigline, I think we need to both appraise and "reappraise" with a full understanding of the record and history.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
22. Grant, Washington, Jesus - whomever.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 08:25 PM
Jun 2020

Shaun King

@shaunking
Yes, I think the statues of the white European they claim is Jesus should also come down.
They are a form of white supremacy.
Always have been.
In the Bible, when the family of Jesus wanted to hide, and blend in, guess where they went?
EGYPT!
Not Denmark.
Tear them down.
.
"In the Bible, when the family of Jesus wanted to hide, and blend in, guess where they went? EGYPT! Not Denmark. Tear them down," he added.
"Yes. All murals and stained glass windows of white Jesus, and his European mother, and their white friends should also come down," he explained in a second tweet.


That'll be fun! Talk about race wars....it'll be carnage.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,848 posts)
24. Many people in the Bible had slaves.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 08:34 PM
Jun 2020
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_slavery

There was also slavery in Europe long before the USA was a colony of England. And even when the serfs weren't called slaves during feudalism, it's not like they were free to go anywhere without their lord's permission.

It's an ugly part of history, but it goes back far longer than the African slave trade... a continent where slavery was also practiced.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
33. Yeah, great idea 4 months before the election.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 08:59 PM
Jun 2020

Show any support for pulling down statues to the father of our country and the man who wrote one of the most important political document in history.

That the tickets to winning. Folks, we can easily lose this election, especially if we make stupid mistakes.

Sugarcoated

(7,707 posts)
68. I am stunned that some here think this is a good thing
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 02:05 PM
Jun 2020

I'm a staunch liberal and I am not for this overreach. Cancel culture is going too far and will indeed lose us voters.

Sugarcoated

(7,707 posts)
77. I take that back...
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 02:49 PM
Jun 2020

I know a few progressives who would be for cancelling it all out. Yet another example of the horseshoe theory...

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
35. Eyes are getting way off the prize
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 09:41 PM
Jun 2020

This is starting to be a distraction. What is needed is laser focus on current abuses by police, the criminal justice system, and other institutions such as banks, etc. ... and on the legislation needed to end this abuse.

Bronze and stone are way secondary.

Polybius

(15,239 posts)
41. Don't care
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 10:31 PM
Jun 2020

I don't judge people by what they did in 1780, and I'm black. Washington almost single-handedly founded the country. Thankfully, Biden shares this view.

Music Man

(1,181 posts)
43. The difference, to me, is what the central part of their legacy is.
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 11:36 PM
Jun 2020

Many presidents owned slaves. There's another thread in GD right now that speaks to flaws such as FDR locking up Japanese-Americans in internment camps.

But seceding from the country to preserve the institution of slavery puts you on a specific side of history from when the country was literally at war over THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE. Being a Confederate means being pro-slavery is the totality of your legacy.

Gandhi is well-known to have been racist toward black South Africans. It's not a joke to say "is he next?" because that conversation has already started in regards to his statues.

MLK was no saint either, having a reputation for being a womanizer, and there have been suggestions of spousal abuse (and abetting a sexual offender). In the Me Too era, are we going to tear down MLK's statue too? I joke, but seriously, is that where we're headed?

I get that attitudes change, but Washington, Jefferson, Grant, and others are ridiculous targets. If not ridiculous, they're at least unproductive targets. It's born of passion and not clear thinking.

tinymontgomery

(2,584 posts)
46. World War II monument defaced with paint at Charlotte cemetery
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 12:34 AM
Jun 2020

World War II monument defaced with paint at Charlotte cemetery

http://coronavirus.1point3acres.com

This is going to really help us.

CHARLOTTE, N.C. (WBTV) - A 20-foot-tall memorial at a Charlotte cemetery appears to have been defaced with paint covering the names of more than 500 Mecklenburg County residents who died in World War II.
The memorial at Evergreen Cemetery on Central Avenue is covered with the words “Glory to the day of heroism June 19, 1986.” The phrase appears to correspond to the Peruvian prison massacres of 1986, when 224 people died in a series of riots.
The memorial pays tribute to 5,170 people whose bodies rested at the depot on their way to other cemeteries, and it lists the names of 507 Mecklenburg County residents who gave their lives in World War II.
The hammer and sickle symbol of communism was also painted on the memorial. Yellow paint covers a passage reading, “Dedicated to the memory of the Mecklenburg heroes of World War II who made the supreme sacrifice that you might live in liberty, freedom and peace.”
The vandalism is similar to paint left behind on Memorial Day at a memorial in Lawrenceville, Pennsyvlania, according to WPXI. The same phrase was painted onto the National World War I museum in Kansas City, Missouri, last year, according to the Northeast News.
Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police said they hadn’t gotten a report about the incident. A call to the City of Charlotte’s cemetery division went unanswered Sunday.


http://coronavirus.1point3acres.com

Ex Lurker

(3,808 posts)
53. When I was in college
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 01:10 AM
Jun 2020

The ringleader of that kind of nonsense on my campus was a kid who wore a Che Guevara t shirt and stood in the quad every day haranging passersby. His father was CEO of a Fortune 500 company.

Crunchy Frog

(26,548 posts)
51. Considering how many people on this board are defending it,
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 01:05 AM
Jun 2020

I'd say probably not.

More likely it's well meaning people getting carried away, and potentially risking the upcoming election, sadly.

Ex Lurker

(3,808 posts)
52. I saw few if any POC
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 01:07 AM
Jun 2020

My guess is entitled rich kids rebelling against the parents paying their $60k tuition by playing at being revolutionaries.

hardluck

(634 posts)
55. We must have a lot of provocateurs here then
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 01:47 AM
Jun 2020

Given the opinions in this thread. When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras.

LeftInTX

(24,560 posts)
57. 70's style anarachists
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 02:20 AM
Jun 2020

This stuff happened in the 70s. They hated anyone associated with the "man in charge", "PWTB". They called everyone "pigs"...hated everyone "over 30". ..

Alex4Martinez

(2,180 posts)
60. Time would be better spent getting out the vote, working on voter protections.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 09:31 AM
Jun 2020

They win when we aren't watching what they're doing.


misanthrope

(7,405 posts)
84. That's my sticking point
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 03:22 PM
Jun 2020

Is all this energy and these resources should be channeled toward constructive goals. The protests are the glamorous stuff but a fraction have the patience or focus for the harder tasks that actually make a bigger difference in the long run.

 

ansible

(1,718 posts)
62. This plays perfectly well into the right-wing narrative that liberals are anti-white
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 09:59 AM
Jun 2020

Anyone supporting destroying these statues is being very dumb right now, this just enables Trump's supporters even more

Polybius

(15,239 posts)
64. Sadly, you're right
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 01:08 PM
Jun 2020

I was hoping many Trump supporters would just not be bothered to vote in November. Now I think there's no way they're staying home.

 

SpazzTheCat

(69 posts)
65. We need to be very careful about the precedent we're setting.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 01:49 PM
Jun 2020

If we are going to judge historical figures by what they did in earlier times and hold them to today's standards we appear extremely anti-American to the undecided voter.

Biden has an undeniable history of saying things that by our current standards should exclude him from being the nominee of the democratic party. Tearing down statues of great historical Americans like Washington, Jefferson, etc... because of what they did and said while ignoring more recent examples because of political expediency just makes the Democrats look VERY anti-American.

In the last two weeks I've had 3 friends, solid Democrats, bemoan the current optics of the Democratic party. None of them would ever vote for Trump, but they are wavering on voting at all because they do not support the direction we are moving as Democrats.

I'm very concerned about the effect of all of this on the election. Will it drive moderates to stay home given the choice between Trump and the current radicalization of the Democratic party, we better hope not.

Sugarcoated

(7,707 posts)
74. Same
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 02:42 PM
Jun 2020

My SIL and her husband. He comes from a big NE Philly family of union Democrats, love Biden and will vote for him no matter what but not all Philly Dems will be okay with this latest extreme move from cancel culture. We need to win big in Philly to win PA.

totodeinhere

(13,037 posts)
82. He was also a founding father and our first president.
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 03:06 PM
Jun 2020

If we want to lose the 2020 election then by all means tear down all of the statutes of the founding fathers.

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