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VMA131Marine

(4,123 posts)
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 02:06 PM Jun 2020

Trump's campaign may have committed a COPPA violation

COPPA is the The Children's Online Privacy Protection Act and it limits what information can be collected online from minors. Trump’s sign up website did not have anything to confirm the age of people signing up for tickets, not even a self-certification that the person signing up was over 18.
As a result, the campaign could be liable for up to $42,530 in fines for every ticket registration by a minor because they were also collecting personal data for the campaign. Assuming 500,000 registrations by minors, that works out to a possible fine of .... $21 billion!

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Trump's campaign may have committed a COPPA violation (Original Post) VMA131Marine Jun 2020 OP
kicking WhiteTara Jun 2020 #1
Well wouldn't that just be Leghorn21 Jun 2020 #2
If as the page says that Trump group will call the mobile number to verify before issuing ticket, LiberalArkie Jun 2020 #15
I don't see how they can lawfully accept the covid waiver from children either. Doodley Jun 2020 #3
They can't! VMA131Marine Jun 2020 #8
K&R! SheltieLover Jun 2020 #4
Ha! Mary Jo Laupp, you did more than you ever expected!! Budi Jun 2020 #5
Bwahahaha Nevilledog Jun 2020 #6
Occassionally I get mail from a Republican and I always return the postage-paid envelope to them OMGWTF Jun 2020 #13
Excellent! Nevilledog Jun 2020 #14
Attach that postage paid envelope to a box with a brick in it sobenji Jun 2020 #22
Does the PO actually deliver it? keithbvadu2 Jun 2020 #23
Been there, done that BBG Jun 2020 #29
Let's just sprinkle a little salt on the wound there for ya... Blue Owl Jun 2020 #7
Not likely. Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #9
It's still illegal to collect certain personal information from minors VMA131Marine Jun 2020 #11
Any COVID waiver is voidable by the child. Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #12
IANAL: Since many of the registrations for the event may have come from other countries erronis Jun 2020 #10
LOL 😆. Oops... ashredux Jun 2020 #16
KnR... N_E_1 for Tennis Jun 2020 #17
That criminal organization will not bat an eye at a COPPA violation. Ferrets are Cool Jun 2020 #18
the RepubliCONs operate with complete impunity. DENVERPOPS Jun 2020 #20
There was no COPPA violation. Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #24
And who's going to enforce it? SergeStorms Jun 2020 #19
There's nothing to enforce. There was no violation. Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #25
This might mean something... Orrex Jun 2020 #21
Prior Experience ZERTErYNOthe Jun 2020 #26
Not according to an attorney I just heard from who handles COPPA cases. CaptainTruth Jun 2020 #27
There's been one in this thread Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #28

Leghorn21

(13,520 posts)
2. Well wouldn't that just be
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 02:13 PM
Jun 2020

UNBELIEVABLE!!?!?

Also, these minors all had to signify by “clicking” that they wouldn’t sue bunkerboi if they contracted COVID19– pretty heady stuff for a minor, eh?

Hmm....




https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-19-trump-tulsa-rally-june/

LiberalArkie

(15,686 posts)
15. If as the page says that Trump group will call the mobile number to verify before issuing ticket,
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 03:04 PM
Jun 2020

How then did they "verify" if the kids gave out fake phone numbers?

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
5. Ha! Mary Jo Laupp, you did more than you ever expected!!
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 02:17 PM
Jun 2020

Beautiful

The revolution of Iowa Grama, Mary Jo Laupp

She's gotta be pleased by the results of her efforts.


Nevilledog

(50,675 posts)
6. Bwahahaha
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 02:18 PM
Jun 2020

It's the gift that keeps on giving.

Not that they'll actually suffer any consequences. Maybe some of the kids naively used their real email and will be flooded with trump shit.

OMGWTF

(3,894 posts)
13. Occassionally I get mail from a Republican and I always return the postage-paid envelope to them
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 03:00 PM
Jun 2020

absolutely stuffed with coupons (expired are best) and a note that says "Sorry I can't give you any money because of your shitty economic policies that are hurting so many Americans, but maybe these coupons will help."

If I'm feeling frisky, I'll add something thin and heavy to make them pay a premium for the postage.

sobenji

(314 posts)
22. Attach that postage paid envelope to a box with a brick in it
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 04:56 PM
Jun 2020

That’ll be a $15 donation they make to USPS

keithbvadu2

(36,362 posts)
23. Does the PO actually deliver it?
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 05:00 PM
Jun 2020

Does the PO actually deliver it?

We read that but I have never known anyone to do it.

BBG

(2,476 posts)
29. Been there, done that
Mon Jun 22, 2020, 01:18 PM
Jun 2020

Used to get mailings from a republican running for AG or something in WA. I had plenty of bricks from a taken down chimney. Used to return the envelope taped around a brick. But have since then read on here I think that such “parcels” are intercepted as the junk they are by the post office. So I’m not sure my message got thru.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
9. Not likely.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 02:36 PM
Jun 2020

The site was not directed at children under 13, and since. They didn't ask age, they didn't have actual knowledge of their age.

VMA131Marine

(4,123 posts)
11. It's still illegal to collect certain personal information from minors
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 02:39 PM
Jun 2020

I suppose the argument will hinge on whether they were required to verify age before collecting that information and requiring the COVID19 waiver, which minors cannot agree to.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
12. Any COVID waiver is voidable by the child.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 02:53 PM
Jun 2020

The illegality in data collection is in collecting data from sites directed at children under12 (this wasn't), OR in collecting data from individuals known too be under 13.

On a site directed to adults, unless you ask age, you can collect to your hearts content since you don't know the actual age.

COPPA does not require sites directed to adults to ask about age.


General requirements. It shall be unlawful for any operator of a Web site or online service directed to children, or any operator that has actual knowledge that it is collecting or maintaining personal information from a child, to collect personal information from a child in a manner that violates the regulations prescribed under this part


As to COPPA, the age is "under13," not under18.

erronis

(14,948 posts)
10. IANAL: Since many of the registrations for the event may have come from other countries
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 02:36 PM
Jun 2020

wouldn't some of the other countries' privacy restrictions such as GDPR be in effect?

An aside. We have have restrictions for various age limits such as 18 for consent, 21 for alcohol (most states), 35 for presidents. Shouldn't we have age restrictions on the upper side also?
65: no driving after sunset, before sunrise
68: no sexting
70: no R or X film watching
72: no twittering
73: no becoming president.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,059 posts)
18. That criminal organization will not bat an eye at a COPPA violation.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 04:09 PM
Jun 2020

While I wish they would get BUSTED, they will not.

DENVERPOPS

(8,678 posts)
20. the RepubliCONs operate with complete impunity.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 04:25 PM
Jun 2020

This is by far the most thoroughly corrupt and criminal party in the history of our nation.

Absolutely zero respect for the Constitution or the Rule of Law......

They have already installed themselves as a Corporate Fascist Tyranny, and could care less about the election.

Katie Bar the Door !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WASF

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
24. There was no COPPA violation.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 05:06 PM
Jun 2020

COPPA ONLY applies in two circumstances:

1. The website is directed at children under 13.
2. The data is collected from individuals KNOWN to the entity collecting the data to be under 13.

While we may question the maturity of Trump supporters, the website is not directed at those whose chronological age is under 13. Not applicable per the 1st circumstance.

Because the site did not collect birth data or age, the age of those from whom the data was being collected was not known by those collecting the data.

SergeStorms

(18,888 posts)
19. And who's going to enforce it?
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 04:22 PM
Jun 2020

Certainly not anyone in the Justice Department. Biden will be too busy trying to put our country back together to investigate every law Trump broke while in office. A Democratically controlled Justice Department is going to have so much work to do getting rid of Trump loyalists they won't have time either. Trump skates again, but they'll certainly nail him on a few of the bigger crimes he committed.

Orrex

(63,084 posts)
21. This might mean something...
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 04:54 PM
Jun 2020

If laws, regulations, treaties, or constitutions meant anything to that stupid corrupt daughterfucker and his cult of enablers.


By the way, to my lurking stalkers from their various Konservative circle jerk forums: go fuck yourselves with whatever cylindrical object you can find in place of your limp offerings.

ZERTErYNOthe

(192 posts)
26. Prior Experience
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 05:22 PM
Jun 2020

I have some prior experience, but not a lot, which makes me seeing this this even worse. The organizations I worked for when they implemented COPPA did their best to comply. You see this now: Any web site, email list, political site, or any other online relationship asks you to tick the 'I'm 13 or over' checkbox. It's a standard practice, and stunning that this wasn't included, but I suppose it is just another example of trump hiring "the best people".

CaptainTruth

(6,546 posts)
27. Not according to an attorney I just heard from who handles COPPA cases.
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 06:17 PM
Jun 2020

They said that to be liable under COPPA a company/entity must "knowingly" collect data on minors. In other words they must know the persons are minors when they collect the data.

The Tulsa rally sign-up page didn't ask for age information so there's no way the campaign could have known the ages of the people signing up.

The attorney's words:

COPPA lawyer here and Biden supporter - COPPA does not require you to put an “I am over 18” age screen up. You have to have knowledge that you are collecting info from kids and collecting non-age data from a site directed to adults does not do it.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
28. There's been one in this thread
Sun Jun 21, 2020, 06:21 PM
Jun 2020

Who has handled COPPA matters. (Me)

I've been posting that repeatedly. Good luck with getting people to check for fake news before repeating it.

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