General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump's campaign may have committed a COPPA violation
COPPA is the The Children's Online Privacy Protection Act and it limits what information can be collected online from minors. Trumps sign up website did not have anything to confirm the age of people signing up for tickets, not even a self-certification that the person signing up was over 18.
As a result, the campaign could be liable for up to $42,530 in fines for every ticket registration by a minor because they were also collecting personal data for the campaign. Assuming 500,000 registrations by minors, that works out to a possible fine of .... $21 billion!
WhiteTara
(29,676 posts)Leghorn21
(13,520 posts)UNBELIEVABLE!!?!?
Also, these minors all had to signify by clicking that they wouldnt sue bunkerboi if they contracted COVID19 pretty heady stuff for a minor, eh?
Hmm....
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-19-trump-tulsa-rally-june/
LiberalArkie
(15,686 posts)How then did they "verify" if the kids gave out fake phone numbers?
Doodley
(8,976 posts)VMA131Marine
(4,123 posts)Minors cant enter into contracts.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)Beautiful
The revolution of Iowa Grama, Mary Jo Laupp
She's gotta be pleased by the results of her efforts.
Nevilledog
(50,675 posts)It's the gift that keeps on giving.
Not that they'll actually suffer any consequences. Maybe some of the kids naively used their real email and will be flooded with trump shit.
OMGWTF
(3,894 posts)absolutely stuffed with coupons (expired are best) and a note that says "Sorry I can't give you any money because of your shitty economic policies that are hurting so many Americans, but maybe these coupons will help."
If I'm feeling frisky, I'll add something thin and heavy to make them pay a premium for the postage.
Nevilledog
(50,675 posts)sobenji
(314 posts)Thatll be a $15 donation they make to USPS
keithbvadu2
(36,362 posts)Does the PO actually deliver it?
We read that but I have never known anyone to do it.
BBG
(2,476 posts)Used to get mailings from a republican running for AG or something in WA. I had plenty of bricks from a taken down chimney. Used to return the envelope taped around a brick. But have since then read on here I think that such parcels are intercepted as the junk they are by the post office. So Im not sure my message got thru.
Blue Owl
(49,913 posts)Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)The site was not directed at children under 13, and since. They didn't ask age, they didn't have actual knowledge of their age.
VMA131Marine
(4,123 posts)I suppose the argument will hinge on whether they were required to verify age before collecting that information and requiring the COVID19 waiver, which minors cannot agree to.
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)The illegality in data collection is in collecting data from sites directed at children under12 (this wasn't), OR in collecting data from individuals known too be under 13.
On a site directed to adults, unless you ask age, you can collect to your hearts content since you don't know the actual age.
COPPA does not require sites directed to adults to ask about age.
General requirements. It shall be unlawful for any operator of a Web site or online service directed to children, or any operator that has actual knowledge that it is collecting or maintaining personal information from a child, to collect personal information from a child in a manner that violates the regulations prescribed under this part
As to COPPA, the age is "under13," not under18.
erronis
(14,948 posts)wouldn't some of the other countries' privacy restrictions such as GDPR be in effect?
An aside. We have have restrictions for various age limits such as 18 for consent, 21 for alcohol (most states), 35 for presidents. Shouldn't we have age restrictions on the upper side also?
65: no driving after sunset, before sunrise
68: no sexting
70: no R or X film watching
72: no twittering
73: no becoming president.
ashredux
(2,593 posts)N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,593 posts)I hope could changes to will , but I know it wont.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,059 posts)While I wish they would get BUSTED, they will not.
DENVERPOPS
(8,678 posts)This is by far the most thoroughly corrupt and criminal party in the history of our nation.
Absolutely zero respect for the Constitution or the Rule of Law......
They have already installed themselves as a Corporate Fascist Tyranny, and could care less about the election.
Katie Bar the Door !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WASF
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)COPPA ONLY applies in two circumstances:
1. The website is directed at children under 13.
2. The data is collected from individuals KNOWN to the entity collecting the data to be under 13.
While we may question the maturity of Trump supporters, the website is not directed at those whose chronological age is under 13. Not applicable per the 1st circumstance.
Because the site did not collect birth data or age, the age of those from whom the data was being collected was not known by those collecting the data.
SergeStorms
(18,888 posts)Certainly not anyone in the Justice Department. Biden will be too busy trying to put our country back together to investigate every law Trump broke while in office. A Democratically controlled Justice Department is going to have so much work to do getting rid of Trump loyalists they won't have time either. Trump skates again, but they'll certainly nail him on a few of the bigger crimes he committed.
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)Orrex
(63,084 posts)If laws, regulations, treaties, or constitutions meant anything to that stupid corrupt daughterfucker and his cult of enablers.
By the way, to my lurking stalkers from their various Konservative circle jerk forums: go fuck yourselves with whatever cylindrical object you can find in place of your limp offerings.
ZERTErYNOthe
(192 posts)I have some prior experience, but not a lot, which makes me seeing this this even worse. The organizations I worked for when they implemented COPPA did their best to comply. You see this now: Any web site, email list, political site, or any other online relationship asks you to tick the 'I'm 13 or over' checkbox. It's a standard practice, and stunning that this wasn't included, but I suppose it is just another example of trump hiring "the best people".
CaptainTruth
(6,546 posts)They said that to be liable under COPPA a company/entity must "knowingly" collect data on minors. In other words they must know the persons are minors when they collect the data.
The Tulsa rally sign-up page didn't ask for age information so there's no way the campaign could have known the ages of the people signing up.
The attorney's words:
COPPA lawyer here and Biden supporter - COPPA does not require you to put an I am over 18 age screen up. You have to have knowledge that you are collecting info from kids and collecting non-age data from a site directed to adults does not do it.
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)Who has handled COPPA matters. (Me)
I've been posting that repeatedly. Good luck with getting people to check for fake news before repeating it.