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Wed Jun 10, 2020, 10:40 AM

Can we talk for a moment about something? I'm referring to the bizarre spectacle that is Trump flags

The idea of a flag is an interesting concept.

First and foremost, they are best known as a symbol of a country. They also can relate to a state, a county, a city or some other governmental entity.

Flags aren't exclusive to countries and governments, however. If you go to a tailgate event at any given sporting event, you will frequently see flags flying containing the logo of the teams playing.

And flags need not represent positive ideals. The Nazis had flags, as do the KKK.

But even at their most repulsive, or their most benign, it seems like the common denominator behind flags is that they are meant to symbolize a group of people or idea that is larger than just the one individual flying the flag.

Except for one odd exception, and that of course is the Trump Flag.

There's no one uniform version of the Trump Flag, but most of them look something like this:



There's also one with some slightly more colorful--and blatantly ironic--language like this:



Trumpists love to display their Trump flags. Especially popular, for whatever reason, is during boat parades. But you'll see them in any number of settings, including behind these two illustrious members of society who felt it prudent to recreate the murder of George Floyd in front of peaceful protesters:



The existence of the Trump Flag is truly baffling, because it's a flag, but instead of representing a country, a group of people, a movement or an ideal, it's a flag dedicated to a person. A single person.

What sort of person deserves a flag with nothing more than his name on it? I mean, even in most despotic regimes, the flags flown didn't just read "Hitler" or "Stalin."

It speaks to a double phenomenon. First, a growing cult of personality in this country around the supposed President, which is something we have never, ever seen before. (I mean, I remember a lot of nonsense from the right in the 00s around the time of the Iraq War, nonsense about how criticizing the president was somehow "unpatriotic", but I never actually saw anyone flying Bush flags).

And second, it speaks to the narcissism and insatiable ego of the man who currently occupies the White House, a man so consumed with himself that he demands flags with his name be flown by his supporters. And that is certainly terrifying in its own right.

The closest thing we have to this are the MAGA hats, which have grown to become emblematic of a movement on their own. But even those tacky pieces of red headgear don't spell out Trump's own name on them. And had their popularity simply ended with the 2016 campaign itself, you might be tempted to say that they were nothing more than a campaign relic along the line of "I Like Ike" pins or the Obama "Hope" poster, historical pieces that tie into specific election memorabilia and little more. Of course, the MAGA hats have not subsided, and are the new brownshirt of our day.

But for the life of me, I do not remember anything so remotely crass, unprecedented and abnormal as the Trump Flag itself.

Thoughts?

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Reply Can we talk for a moment about something? I'm referring to the bizarre spectacle that is Trump flags (Original post)
Tommy_Carcetti Jun 10 OP
Blue Owl Jun 10 #1
The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 10 #2
Harker Jun 10 #3
Cirque du So-What Jun 10 #4
sdfernando Jun 10 #5
Laelth Jun 10 #6
murielm99 Jun 10 #7
Thirties Child Jun 10 #12
murielm99 Jun 10 #23
TreasonousBastard Jun 10 #8
young_at_heart Jun 10 #9
Steelrolled Jun 10 #10
Tommy_Carcetti Jun 10 #11
Steelrolled Jun 10 #14
riversedge Jun 10 #19
mwooldri Jun 10 #13
backscatter712 Jun 10 #15
OAITW r.2.0 Jun 10 #16
SledDriver Jun 10 #17
area51 Jun 11 #27
lagomorph777 Jun 10 #18
mobeau69 Jun 10 #20
hauckeye Jun 10 #21
customerserviceguy Jun 10 #22
trof Jun 11 #24
smirkymonkey Jun 11 #25
Tommy_Carcetti Jun 11 #26
muriel_volestrangler Jun 11 #28
Mr.Bill Jun 11 #29
keithbvadu2 Jun 12 #30
soldierant Jun 12 #31
struggle4progress Jun 12 #32
NameAlreadyTaken Jun 12 #33
Tommy_Carcetti Jun 12 #35
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Cha Jun 12 #34
jmg257 Jun 12 #36
The Wizard Jun 12 #37

Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Wed Jun 10, 2020, 10:45 AM

1. Definitely displays the fervor of his mindless minions

Lets make goddamn sure those flags are at half-mast in November

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Wed Jun 10, 2020, 10:46 AM

2. I think it's just because everything that exists is a target for Trump's "branding."

If he can put his name on a thing, he'll do it. Flags can be easily and cheaply produced (in China, of course); they can be made very large and can go just about anywhere. Crassness has never bothered Trump in the least.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Wed Jun 10, 2020, 10:47 AM

3. I flip them a bird whenever and wherever I see them.

I fly the Karmapa Dream Flag. Maybe I get flipped off, too.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Wed Jun 10, 2020, 10:47 AM

4. I saw one recently

that had been ripped to shreds by strong winds.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Wed Jun 10, 2020, 10:48 AM

5. That orange monstrosity wants to be a despotic king

..this is his Coat of Arms.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Wed Jun 10, 2020, 10:49 AM

6. Insightful, thought-provoking post.

I regret that I have nothing to add.

-Laelth

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Wed Jun 10, 2020, 10:57 AM

7. I have never seen anything like these

in my 71 years. There are a couple of them in my community.

I have commented on this here and to family members. It is cult-like behavior.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 10, 2020, 11:05 AM

12. Jonestown

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Response to Thirties Child (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 10, 2020, 02:19 PM

23. Tough for me to contemplate,

even after all these years. I lost a college friend there.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Wed Jun 10, 2020, 10:59 AM

8. Flags have used as identifiers for millennia. As warnings, information...

all sort of things. You can buy marine signal flags, football penalty flags, and, yes, you can have one printed with your name on it.

But why?

I've seen names on wedding flags and such, but that's about it. Most of us would be embarrassed to have our names whistling in the wind like that.

But, Trump is obsessed with having his name on everything he is even vaguely associated with, and it's only a small step from a sign to a flag.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Wed Jun 10, 2020, 11:03 AM

9. Where is the outrage?

Wouldn't it be nice to see Republican senators speak out against this?

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Wed Jun 10, 2020, 11:03 AM

10. You can buy several styles of "Biden 2020" flags on Amazon, as well as a Bernie one, etc.

But I don't think I've ever seen one in real life. I think the overhead of making these up is small, so flag makers do as many varieties as they can (kinda like T shirts).

Americans do have a thing about flags.

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Response to Steelrolled (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 10, 2020, 11:05 AM

11. I love Joe. I loved Obama and Clinton too.

But I don't know whether I would actually want to go around with just their name on a flag.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 10, 2020, 11:07 AM

14. I'm with you - I'm not a flag person

nor am I bumper sticker or a lawn sign person, but I have no problem with people that go all out.

I liked the song from the 70s, Express Youself even though I think it is more about dancing

Edit to add missing word, and add reference to Express Yourself since it is such a cool song.

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Response to Steelrolled (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 10, 2020, 11:14 AM

19. I have not seen a Biden flag either and glad I have not.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Wed Jun 10, 2020, 11:05 AM

13. Any Trump flag or yard sign...

... is an invitation for me to exercise my own first amendment rights and give that display a one fingered salute. And a Fuck You. Usually while I'm driving.

Today (or tomorrow) I'll be going up US 29 via Lynchburg VA. The air will be blue in the truck.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Wed Jun 10, 2020, 11:07 AM

15. Somebody needs to put bleach in the engine oil of those chuds' coal-roller trucks...

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Wed Jun 10, 2020, 11:08 AM

16. They certainly help identify the people who I want to stay clear of.

On the otherhand, maybe we should start displaying the Trump flag, upside down. That would be a good use for these flags.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Wed Jun 10, 2020, 11:09 AM

17. Cult flags

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Response to SledDriver (Reply #17)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 02:55 PM

27. +1 n/t

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Wed Jun 10, 2020, 11:09 AM

18. I like the second one, but they forgot to put the word "Dump" at the top.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Wed Jun 10, 2020, 11:21 AM

20. Speaking of flags, I see a lot of pickups flying the Confederate Flag on one side of the bed but not

without our flag on the other. Its like some cowardly cover for flying the flag of enemies to the US. Id like to ask one of these numb skulls which is it? Ignorant mutherfuckers!

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Wed Jun 10, 2020, 11:31 AM

21. My neighbor has one

He alternates it with the dont tread on me flag. The sad thing is he is a nice guy and I enjoy chatting with him. One of these days Ill tell him that Ill be cancelling out his vote in November 😄😄

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Wed Jun 10, 2020, 01:09 PM

22. It's a sign of what we're up against this year

I haven't seen any Biden flags yet. Come to think of it, even during the SC primary, I didn't see any Biden bumper stickers or yard signs, either. That suggests the possibility that there's an enthusiasm gap that we'll need to overcome.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 02:00 PM

24. Also a way to get around POA rules precluding yard signs.

We tried to keep politics out of the neighborhood.
Our covenants only allow yard signs for contractors and realtors.

This was a friendly, social, peaceful neighborhood until the few Trump banners appeared in 2015.
Now it's been split apart.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 02:06 PM

25. It's a personality cult.

It's a sickness. One of these days, all those people are going to end up throwing them in the trash or burning them in the backyard.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #25)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 02:09 PM

26. The bellweather for me will be the MAGA hat sitting on my right-wing in-laws hat rack.

One day, probably a few years down the road when all the dust has settled, I will walk in and it will be gone, as if it was never there in the first place.

No one will ever want to admit having anything to do with that thing.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 04:21 PM

28. Little Donald put a lot of hard work into learning how to read his name

so it's vital that he gets as many opportunities as possible to do it now. Won't you think of Little Donald?

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jun 11, 2020, 06:18 PM

29. I myself, prefer that the fly their flags and wear their hats.

It's good that they identify themselves so clearly. It will save us a lot of trouble and they will live to regret it.

I openly photograph them when I see it.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:41 AM

30. Loyal Trumpster proudly holding Trump Russian flag

Loyal Trumpster proudly holding Trump Russian flag


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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 12:58 AM

31. When I was in the service (and perhaps still?)

if you were a general officer and commanded a unit. your unit had a flag with the number of stars you were entitled to wear, and that flag would be flown if you were in the building, and taken down if you were not Not really a glorification - more like a sticky note.

Of course the custom comes from feudal times when royalty and lessser nobility would do the same with a flag with their coat of arms.

Someone, oh, at least 40 years ago, even wrote a little Christian song about it: "Joy is the flag flown high from the castle of my heart...when the King is in residence there." (I liked it because it put some responsibility on the singer to live a life that showed their faith, and I particularly like the "Love" verse - yes, there were multiple verses. But times have changed.7

All quite off topic. Thanks for letting me ramble.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 01:09 AM

32. "RUMP -- for America's a-holes"

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 01:57 AM

33. My neighbor has an American flag with Trump in the blue section.

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Response to NameAlreadyTaken (Reply #33)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 07:15 AM

35. I bet he also thinks people kneeling "dishonors" the flag...

...right?

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #35)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 08:48 AM

38. I'm sure he does,

though I avoid talking to him. We haven't spoken in at least a year. He's 3 houses away, so that helps. But the flag is unmissable.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 02:13 AM

34. Well Done, Tommy! LOL@BLOTUS saying "NO MORE BULLSHIT".. that's

like saying "BLOTUS Will NEVER Be Opening his ASSFACE Mouth Again."

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Jun 12, 2020, 08:23 AM

37. When will he order

12 foot posters of his image on government building like they have in North Korea of Kim?
He and his cult are anti American and must be expunged with prejudice.

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