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Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 02:43 PM Jun 2020

MSNBC's Eddie Glaude Shades Biden After Widely-Lauded Speech:

MSNBC’s Eddie Glaude Shades Biden After Widely-Lauded Speech: His Words Need to ‘Rise to the Level’ of Our Problems
By Ken Meyer

MSNBC contributor Eddie Glaude Jr. said Joe Biden did not go far enough in addressing America’s problems driven to the forefront after George Floyd’s fatal police arrest.

The ex-veep and gave a speech on the country’s social unrest Tuesday, and it drew early positive reviews among political observers because of how Biden contrasted himself from President Donald Trump by stressing the need for racial justice. When Glaude offered his reaction to the presumptive 2020 Democratic presidential candidate’s remarks, he acknowledged Biden’s expression of empathy, but then said he “struggled” with the question of “whether or not the scale of [Biden’s] response matches the scale of the problem.”

“I think it’s absolutely a good beginning to begin to talk about chokeholds, but I think he needs to be talking about qualified immunity. I think he needs to be talking about demilitarization and decriminalization. That’s a good beginning,” Glaude said. “But I think he needs to offer a set of remedies that actually rise to the level of the problems we face.”

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbcs-eddie-glaude-shades-biden-after-widely-lauded-speech-his-words-need-to-rise-to-the-level-of-our-problems/


For the record I do not agree with Mr. Glaude and remember him constantly attacking Hillary Clinton in 16.
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MSNBC's Eddie Glaude Shades Biden After Widely-Lauded Speech: (Original Post) Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 OP
Eddie Glaude is a poseur. PCIntern Jun 2020 #1
So agree. Wellstone ruled Jun 2020 #4
Yes, I agree dmr Jun 2020 #29
Glaude is a diehard Sanders supporter. He never fails to shade Biden. brush Jun 2020 #2
msnbc got a person who didn't vote in 2016 for Prez to give his opinion on Joe Biden's speech.. Cha Jun 2020 #48
I usually tune him out. He was always a Biden basher redstateblues Jun 2020 #3
Turn off MSGOP onecaliberal Jun 2020 #5
Obama put real remedies in place, Joe mentioned them Johnny2X2X Jun 2020 #6
Thank goodness Cornel West wasn't available to give his reaction. sop Jun 2020 #7
He had an embarrassing faux pas yesterday on MSNBC stopbush Jun 2020 #8
Who is Eddie Glaude and why should I give a shit what he says? Squinch Jun 2020 #9
Head of Princeton's African American Studies Dept tishaLA Jun 2020 #16
Try google.com, it is a search engine. nt USALiberal Jun 2020 #22
+100000 Celerity Jun 2020 #25
Do we need to pay attention to the opinions of everyone who is google-able? Squinch Jun 2020 #28
This guy who wrote a piece in TIME Why he wouldn't Vote for Hillary.. Cha Jun 2020 #62
Hey Cha, my dear! Apparently he's a department head at Princeton. I guess we better Squinch Jun 2020 #64
Exactly "screw him".. he doesn't get to say shit about how bad this Cha Jun 2020 #65
doesn't really sound like "shade" to me ... it sounds like the start of a dialogue fishwax Jun 2020 #10
Agreed al bupp Jun 2020 #11
We don't need "constructive criticism" right now StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #40
+1000! nt USALiberal Jun 2020 #23
yes Celerity Jun 2020 #31
+1, some folk always gotta start some shit uponit7771 Jun 2020 #60
He is like Sarandon, West, Moore, a few others. Blue_true Jun 2020 #12
Obama administration already worked on this and like epidemic response, Trump got rid of it. LizBeth Jun 2020 #13
He's not a cheerleader. SharonClark Jun 2020 #14
Maybe if we had more cheerleaders in 16 Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #20
Yep. It should be noted that Glaude didn't vote for Hillary. W_HAMILTON Jun 2020 #34
People like to criticize democrats BlueLucy Jun 2020 #15
He is a Bernie bro. By that I mean the type who says they progressive but are never boston bean Jun 2020 #17
he's right, it's a start qazplm135 Jun 2020 #18
Fuck Eddie Glaude, whoever he is. BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #19
LOL. Spoken like a true DUer. SharonClark Jun 2020 #26
Is there something wrong with being a DUer? Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #27
Aww, am I not purity left enough? BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #32
purity tests are a two way street on here Celerity Jun 2020 #35
So supporting the nominee Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #37
non sequitur Celerity Jun 2020 #39
Maybe you should clarify Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #49
I just said I was not referring to that, so no need to clarify anything in that regards Celerity Jun 2020 #51
Then what were you referring to Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #53
exactly what YOU are doing right now in this back and forth, ironically Celerity Jun 2020 #55
And still not explaining Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #57
your concern is duly noted Celerity Jun 2020 #59
And what do you mean by Dem4Life1102 Jun 2020 #66
Eddie Glaude not only was anti Clinton but was quite vocal about it... Kahuna Jun 2020 #50
why? qazplm135 Jun 2020 #36
If he has some great ideas, he should think them through, write them out, present them to Biden StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #42
that's not really a critique of his points qazplm135 Jun 2020 #43
Glaude is a contrarian, sore loser Bernie supporter. He's on "Morning Joe" quite often... brush Jun 2020 #52
You didn't address any of my questions qazplm135 Jun 2020 #54
I've watched and listened to Gaude many times, thus my... brush Jun 2020 #56
Oh actually I have, not really a fan qazplm135 Jun 2020 #58
I prefer to continue to mute him. brush Jun 2020 #67
To be fair soothsayer Jun 2020 #21
Eddie Glaude equals mute button. Polly Hennessey Jun 2020 #24
I thank Glaude for his criticism and I'm glad a majority are happy with Joe's rhetoric. aikoaiko Jun 2020 #30
Remember when Obama was Black, and White America lost it's goddamn mind? maxsolomon Jun 2020 #33
Well, not the way you do. "White America" elected Obama twice. Hortensis Jun 2020 #45
Biden gave a great speech ibegurpard Jun 2020 #38
Sheesh. It's a speech, not a seminar. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2020 #41
He's a Bernie supporter. R B Garr Jun 2020 #44
Eddie Glaude and Susan Sarandon are voting for Trump because Joe Biden isn't Gandhi Snake Plissken Jun 2020 #46
He is getting dragged on twitter, he feels "Vote Shamed" irisblue Jun 2020 #47
I did see Eddie G was getting dragged on Twitter but not Cha Jun 2020 #61
I don't even watch MSNBC anymore Politicub Jun 2020 #63

dmr

(28,347 posts)
29. Yes, I agree
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 04:32 PM
Jun 2020

He's always contrary. I usually mute, or if I can, I fast forward.

Nothing Vice President Biden could say would be good enough.

brush

(53,764 posts)
2. Glaude is a diehard Sanders supporter. He never fails to shade Biden.
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 02:47 PM
Jun 2020

It doesn't matter what he says as he's a sore loser like Sanders.

Cha

(297,123 posts)
48. msnbc got a person who didn't vote in 2016 for Prez to give his opinion on Joe Biden's speech..
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 05:38 PM
Jun 2020


Poor thing couldn't bring himself to vote for Hillary.. believed all the Bullshit from Liars like Stein & Sarandon

Johnny2X2X

(19,033 posts)
6. Obama put real remedies in place, Joe mentioned them
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 02:52 PM
Jun 2020

They were more than just a start, they were making a difference until Trump revoked them.

More still needed to be done, but now we're back to square 1 or worse because of Trump.

stopbush

(24,395 posts)
8. He had an embarrassing faux pas yesterday on MSNBC
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 02:54 PM
Jun 2020

when he said he “wouldn't hold his breath“ for the right thing happening in the Floyd death.

He sort of caught himself, then tried to say it differently, then just moved on. Were I Eddie Glaude, i might have said that he needed to say something to the effect of “please excuse me for that unfortunate choice of words.”

Squinch

(50,941 posts)
64. Hey Cha, my dear! Apparently he's a department head at Princeton. I guess we better
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 08:54 PM
Jun 2020

all go see how the head of the Math department at Brown is feeling about things too.

And this guy wouldn't vote for Hillary? And wrote to convince other people of his opinion? Screw him. I have no interest in anything he has to say.

Cha

(297,123 posts)
65. Exactly "screw him".. he doesn't get to say shit about how bad this
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 09:15 PM
Jun 2020

this country is.. Or "give us moral/political advice.. "



Yeah, & Ben Carson was a pediatric heart surgeon.
 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
40. We don't need "constructive criticism" right now
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 04:55 PM
Jun 2020

Save that for after he gets in office. Now we have to all bust our butts to make sure that happens.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
12. He is like Sarandon, West, Moore, a few others.
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 03:14 PM
Jun 2020

I come from the position that it is better to get someone in office who will at least sit at the table and listen to your concerns, than to allow someone to be re-elected who only see you as a mark.

W_HAMILTON

(7,859 posts)
34. Yep. It should be noted that Glaude didn't vote for Hillary.
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 04:38 PM
Jun 2020

Fuck him. He helped enable this shit that he is now complaining about.

BlueLucy

(1,609 posts)
15. People like to criticize democrats
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 03:39 PM
Jun 2020

but they themselves have zero accomplishments in putting forward any kind of solutions.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
17. He is a Bernie bro. By that I mean the type who says they progressive but are never
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 03:47 PM
Jun 2020

Happy with a democrat.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
18. he's right, it's a start
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 03:50 PM
Jun 2020

Biden didn't give the most perfect ever all encompassing addresses every need perfectly speech.

Glaude laid out some areas he'd like to see Biden talk about. That's it.
Areas that he's right about.

That's not remotely "shade." You've let a ridiculous headline written for clicks "shade" your perception of what Glaude is saying here.

This is part of the problem, too many people think a good start is all we need. We are well passed that now.

So yeah, good start. Great contrast with Trump. But it's only the beginning.

Biden would be the first to agree with ALL of that by the way.

Celerity

(43,299 posts)
51. I just said I was not referring to that, so no need to clarify anything in that regards
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 07:09 PM
Jun 2020

If you think I meant otherwise, then that is simply you trying to posit a false frame onto it. I support Biden, end of story. I cannot speak for anyone else. I urge them to support him as well, as Trump is a fucking monster.


Anything else beyond that, I shall let Pete Buttigieg's words from April 22, 2019 end this colloquy for me....

"I'm not a master fisherman, but I know bait when I see it, and I'm not gonna take it."

Celerity

(43,299 posts)
55. exactly what YOU are doing right now in this back and forth, ironically
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 07:44 PM
Jun 2020

You are literally doing a purity test yourself.



Maybe you should come here to Stockholm and type my answers out for me so you get an acceptable reply.

Then again, if you are only comfortable with people wearing masks, then this is REALLY not the place for you (out of 1000 people, maybe 5 have one on.)


cheers

Celerity

(43,299 posts)
59. your concern is duly noted
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 08:13 PM
Jun 2020

I just completely answered you question.

Purity tests go two ways. It all depends who is applying them.

btw

speaking of purity tests and supporting the nominee

as you did say this upthread:




my profile




your profile



qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
36. why?
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 04:46 PM
Jun 2020

What did he say that was wrong?

Did Biden give the most perfect speech in history that couldn't possibly have been even a tiny bit improved?

Do you think the lead AA professor of AA studies at an Ivy League school might have some ideas about improving this particular situation that Biden or any other politician might learn something from?

Is this a "Bernie leftist" thing or is this an AA thing? (note: I am as far from a Bernie supporter as there is, I'm also an AA, I might suggest to you strongly which way it goes---if you are curious enough to ask).

Do you think prodding someone to go beyond is a bad thing?

Where did he say it was a bad speech, or even not a good speech?

Are you and the rest of the folks in this thread examining what Glaude said critically and with thought, or are you reading a headline about "shade" and reflexively attacking based on that?

How do you think Biden would react? Would he say, no Glaude, I nailed that speech, or will he say, Hey Professor, let's talk, I would like to hear your ideas? Because I'm fairly certain it would be the latter. And if you agree, then again, I ask...why?

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
42. If he has some great ideas, he should think them through, write them out, present them to Biden
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 04:59 PM
Jun 2020

and discuss them with him constructively.

Offering a hot take in a 5 minute hit on live TV minutes after watching a speech on his computer isn't brilliant thought leadership. It's punditry.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
43. that's not really a critique of his points
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 05:02 PM
Jun 2020

or what he said though.

What was not constructive about what he said?

What did he say that wasn't true?

What did he say that negative? (saying you need to do more is not negative).

Or is it simply, he didn't say Biden was great, full stop, and I don't want to hear anything other than that?

You know, if he'd said something negative, then I'd disapprove of it. But I see nothing negative. I see constructive points. I see saying this is a good start, but we need more. I don't remotely see how that's a "hot take" or "punditry." And if it was either, you'd be ok with it if said hot take or punditry was "that was a great speech!" Right? So the problem isn't the hot take or punditry.

brush

(53,764 posts)
52. Glaude is a contrarian, sore loser Bernie supporter. He's on "Morning Joe" quite often...
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 07:11 PM
Jun 2020

and always finds a way to subtly diss Democrats for not choosing Sanders when we should all be all-in to get rid of trump. There's plenty of time enough to criticize Biden when he's president and can effect change.

BTW, I'm also African American.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
54. You didn't address any of my questions
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 07:42 PM
Jun 2020

You just said oh it's that guy so I don't need anything else.

brush

(53,764 posts)
56. I've watched and listened to Gaude many times, thus my...
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 07:48 PM
Jun 2020

opinion of him. Apparently you haven't.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
58. Oh actually I have, not really a fan
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 08:10 PM
Jun 2020

And yet that didn't stop me from taking the short time to read what he said and contemplate on it.

Apparently, you haven't.

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
21. To be fair
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 04:06 PM
Jun 2020

Biden did say talk a bit about his plans for his first 100 days, and also said we can’t wait, there’s stuff congress can and should do now, and named some specifics.

aikoaiko

(34,165 posts)
30. I thank Glaude for his criticism and I'm glad a majority are happy with Joe's rhetoric.
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 04:33 PM
Jun 2020




Does anyone really expect 100% applause for Joe from those who are left of center?

Some people will always want more -- nothing wrong with that.

maxsolomon

(33,285 posts)
33. Remember when Obama was Black, and White America lost it's goddamn mind?
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 04:38 PM
Jun 2020

Or when HRC dared to call Israel's West Bank Settler policy "unproductive" at AIPAC and my elderly liberal Jewish neighbors voted for Trump because "he's better for Israel"?

Biden does.

You can only push the rhetoric so far left in a Presidential Election, or you alienate the low-information bourgeoise flibberdigibbets.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
45. Well, not the way you do. "White America" elected Obama twice.
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 05:33 PM
Jun 2020

Not alone, of course. But white America was the largest demo who gave Obama his big margins of victory.

Of course I agree with you in essence for the rest. You bet Biden does. And he knows, from associating with people who've risen to great power, that reactions to huge change and information are due above all to personality. That's those conservative Jews.

Social conservatives of virtually all demos, of all info levels, are reacting in much the same way to the election of black and female presidents, of other great advances in equality, to LGBTQ+, who not only have the right to exist but can even marry. Today the demo with the most college degrees isn't white men but black women. Many thousands of women of all colors hold positions of power and authority, private and government. Strong conservative Jewish men don't like that any more than strong conservative black or white men.

And the Glaudes will always be with us. Where weak minds were reached, he no doubt succeeded in what he intended -- to undermine hope and confidence in Democrats.

Biden's working long hours planning the rescue of our nation, both with people he intends to name to government positions and those who will continue to serve from private industry. People either realize that's the way it has to be or they refuse to know it, or they're turned off by too much information and will only accept gut-level reassurance of what they want to believe.


Tommy_Carcetti

(43,172 posts)
41. Sheesh. It's a speech, not a seminar.
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 04:58 PM
Jun 2020

Elect him into office and I'm sure he'll be more than happy to discuss your laundry list, Mr. Glaude.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
46. Eddie Glaude and Susan Sarandon are voting for Trump because Joe Biden isn't Gandhi
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 05:36 PM
Jun 2020

I'm so over these asssholes

Cha

(297,123 posts)
61. I did see Eddie G was getting dragged on Twitter but not
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 08:22 PM
Jun 2020

this.. Thank You, Irisblue!

I tweeted it was a perfect time to call out Eddie G for not being able to vote for Hillary 'cause he fell for Stein & Sarandon's Lies.. & all those who spewed Lies about Hillary.. looking at you Sirota & BJG.



Retweeted! TY!

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
63. I don't even watch MSNBC anymore
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 08:31 PM
Jun 2020

CNN has been doing a great job covering the protests and Biden. Don Lemon has no more shits to give and is so much more engaging than Chris Hayes. Anderson Cooper was on fire last night about how the protesters were gassed and fired on just for Trump’s photo op.

No network is perfect, but CNN has been pretty awesome as of late.

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