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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMSNBC's Eddie Glaude Shades Biden After Widely-Lauded Speech:
By Ken Meyer
MSNBC contributor Eddie Glaude Jr. said Joe Biden did not go far enough in addressing Americas problems driven to the forefront after George Floyds fatal police arrest.
The ex-veep and gave a speech on the countrys social unrest Tuesday, and it drew early positive reviews among political observers because of how Biden contrasted himself from President Donald Trump by stressing the need for racial justice. When Glaude offered his reaction to the presumptive 2020 Democratic presidential candidates remarks, he acknowledged Bidens expression of empathy, but then said he struggled with the question of whether or not the scale of [Bidens] response matches the scale of the problem.
I think its absolutely a good beginning to begin to talk about chokeholds, but I think he needs to be talking about qualified immunity. I think he needs to be talking about demilitarization and decriminalization. Thats a good beginning, Glaude said. But I think he needs to offer a set of remedies that actually rise to the level of the problems we face.
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbcs-eddie-glaude-shades-biden-after-widely-lauded-speech-his-words-need-to-rise-to-the-level-of-our-problems/
For the record I do not agree with Mr. Glaude and remember him constantly attacking Hillary Clinton in 16.
PCIntern
(25,520 posts)Tired of him and his insidious negativism toward the Democrats.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)He's always contrary. I usually mute, or if I can, I fast forward.
Nothing Vice President Biden could say would be good enough.
brush
(53,764 posts)It doesn't matter what he says as he's a sore loser like Sanders.
Cha
(297,123 posts)Link to tweet
Poor thing couldn't bring himself to vote for Hillary.. believed all the Bullshit from Liars like Stein & Sarandon
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Probably a little bit of a sore loser
onecaliberal
(32,816 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,033 posts)They were more than just a start, they were making a difference until Trump revoked them.
More still needed to be done, but now we're back to square 1 or worse because of Trump.
sop
(10,150 posts)stopbush
(24,395 posts)when he said he wouldn't hold his breath for the right thing happening in the Floyd death.
He sort of caught himself, then tried to say it differently, then just moved on. Were I Eddie Glaude, i might have said that he needed to say something to the effect of please excuse me for that unfortunate choice of words.
Squinch
(50,941 posts)tishaLA
(14,176 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Celerity
(43,299 posts)Squinch
(50,941 posts)Cha
(297,123 posts)Squinch
(50,941 posts)all go see how the head of the Math department at Brown is feeling about things too.
And this guy wouldn't vote for Hillary? And wrote to convince other people of his opinion? Screw him. I have no interest in anything he has to say.
Cha
(297,123 posts)this country is.. Or "give us moral/political advice.. "
Link to tweet
Yeah, & Ben Carson was a pediatric heart surgeon.
fishwax
(29,149 posts)I would call it constructive criticism.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Save that for after he gets in office. Now we have to all bust our butts to make sure that happens.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I come from the position that it is better to get someone in office who will at least sit at the table and listen to your concerns, than to allow someone to be re-elected who only see you as a mark.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)Trump Justice Department Killed Police Reform Programs That Could Have Helped Minneapolis
Instead of helping cities change police practices, the Justice Department is threatening to turn federal resources on protesters.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-doj-police-reform-minneapolis-protests_n_5ed11aa0c5b6228cdfe1b4cf?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013&utm_source=politics_fb%C2%A7ion%3Dpolitics&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=hp_fb_pages&fbclid=IwAR3MU6GZLbvXOpTBbPOXVDYmPNlaVqmmtb84yNXU597zazRw9vjEa641qLg&guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZmFjZWJvb2suY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMwWshR5TrM004PDUyXzX1q-DoUOjP5YHls1H66hZ_Jy4s4swA5MzFGB102AuZVtb5BA8hNnglZpyNBOVZ-RGcWPCXwzPdqIXzgcTYuCvVn83uw4AciHU0YhHGoa0OOOb6qsEs4Hc2PNr7TqU8UhLgjajG3g0l4V0dKDPnJny4wC
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)I dont have a problem with that.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)than naysayers Trump wouldn't be President today.
W_HAMILTON
(7,859 posts)Fuck him. He helped enable this shit that he is now complaining about.
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)but they themselves have zero accomplishments in putting forward any kind of solutions.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Happy with a democrat.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)Biden didn't give the most perfect ever all encompassing addresses every need perfectly speech.
Glaude laid out some areas he'd like to see Biden talk about. That's it.
Areas that he's right about.
That's not remotely "shade." You've let a ridiculous headline written for clicks "shade" your perception of what Glaude is saying here.
This is part of the problem, too many people think a good start is all we need. We are well passed that now.
So yeah, good start. Great contrast with Trump. But it's only the beginning.
Biden would be the first to agree with ALL of that by the way.
BannonsLiver
(16,362 posts)SharonClark
(10,014 posts)Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,362 posts)WOMP WOMP
Celerity
(43,299 posts)PMOW PMOW
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)is considered purity?
Celerity
(43,299 posts)was not referring to that at all
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)because it sound like it was.
Celerity
(43,299 posts)If you think I meant otherwise, then that is simply you trying to posit a false frame onto it. I support Biden, end of story. I cannot speak for anyone else. I urge them to support him as well, as Trump is a fucking monster.
Anything else beyond that, I shall let Pete Buttigieg's words from April 22, 2019 end this colloquy for me....
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)Should be simple to explain.
Celerity
(43,299 posts)You are literally doing a purity test yourself.
Maybe you should come here to Stockholm and type my answers out for me so you get an acceptable reply.
Then again, if you are only comfortable with people wearing masks, then this is REALLY not the place for you (out of 1000 people, maybe 5 have one on.)
cheers
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)what you were referring to but still deflecting and diverting.
Celerity
(43,299 posts)I just completely answered you question.
Purity tests go two ways. It all depends who is applying them.
btw
speaking of purity tests and supporting the nominee
as you did say this upthread:
my profile
your profile
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)purity tests go two ways? The statement still doesn't make sense to me.
Kahuna
(27,311 posts)So pretty much, the hell with him.
https://time.com/4402823/glaude-hillary-clinton/
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)What did he say that was wrong?
Did Biden give the most perfect speech in history that couldn't possibly have been even a tiny bit improved?
Do you think the lead AA professor of AA studies at an Ivy League school might have some ideas about improving this particular situation that Biden or any other politician might learn something from?
Is this a "Bernie leftist" thing or is this an AA thing? (note: I am as far from a Bernie supporter as there is, I'm also an AA, I might suggest to you strongly which way it goes---if you are curious enough to ask).
Do you think prodding someone to go beyond is a bad thing?
Where did he say it was a bad speech, or even not a good speech?
Are you and the rest of the folks in this thread examining what Glaude said critically and with thought, or are you reading a headline about "shade" and reflexively attacking based on that?
How do you think Biden would react? Would he say, no Glaude, I nailed that speech, or will he say, Hey Professor, let's talk, I would like to hear your ideas? Because I'm fairly certain it would be the latter. And if you agree, then again, I ask...why?
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)and discuss them with him constructively.
Offering a hot take in a 5 minute hit on live TV minutes after watching a speech on his computer isn't brilliant thought leadership. It's punditry.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)or what he said though.
What was not constructive about what he said?
What did he say that wasn't true?
What did he say that negative? (saying you need to do more is not negative).
Or is it simply, he didn't say Biden was great, full stop, and I don't want to hear anything other than that?
You know, if he'd said something negative, then I'd disapprove of it. But I see nothing negative. I see constructive points. I see saying this is a good start, but we need more. I don't remotely see how that's a "hot take" or "punditry." And if it was either, you'd be ok with it if said hot take or punditry was "that was a great speech!" Right? So the problem isn't the hot take or punditry.
brush
(53,764 posts)and always finds a way to subtly diss Democrats for not choosing Sanders when we should all be all-in to get rid of trump. There's plenty of time enough to criticize Biden when he's president and can effect change.
BTW, I'm also African American.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)You just said oh it's that guy so I don't need anything else.
brush
(53,764 posts)opinion of him. Apparently you haven't.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)And yet that didn't stop me from taking the short time to read what he said and contemplate on it.
Apparently, you haven't.
brush
(53,764 posts)soothsayer
(38,601 posts)Biden did say talk a bit about his plans for his first 100 days, and also said we cant wait, theres stuff congress can and should do now, and named some specifics.
Polly Hennessey
(6,793 posts)His thoughts are worthless.
aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)Does anyone really expect 100% applause for Joe from those who are left of center?
Some people will always want more -- nothing wrong with that.
maxsolomon
(33,285 posts)Or when HRC dared to call Israel's West Bank Settler policy "unproductive" at AIPAC and my elderly liberal Jewish neighbors voted for Trump because "he's better for Israel"?
Biden does.
You can only push the rhetoric so far left in a Presidential Election, or you alienate the low-information bourgeoise flibberdigibbets.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Not alone, of course. But white America was the largest demo who gave Obama his big margins of victory.
Of course I agree with you in essence for the rest. You bet Biden does. And he knows, from associating with people who've risen to great power, that reactions to huge change and information are due above all to personality. That's those conservative Jews.
Social conservatives of virtually all demos, of all info levels, are reacting in much the same way to the election of black and female presidents, of other great advances in equality, to LGBTQ+, who not only have the right to exist but can even marry. Today the demo with the most college degrees isn't white men but black women. Many thousands of women of all colors hold positions of power and authority, private and government. Strong conservative Jewish men don't like that any more than strong conservative black or white men.
And the Glaudes will always be with us. Where weak minds were reached, he no doubt succeeded in what he intended -- to undermine hope and confidence in Democrats.
Biden's working long hours planning the rescue of our nation, both with people he intends to name to government positions and those who will continue to serve from private industry. People either realize that's the way it has to be or they refuse to know it, or they're turned off by too much information and will only accept gut-level reassurance of what they want to believe.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)And Glaude's comments about it are fine.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,172 posts)Elect him into office and I'm sure he'll be more than happy to discuss your laundry list, Mr. Glaude.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)No thanks to his critiques.
Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)I'm so over these asssholes
irisblue
(32,962 posts)Cha
(297,123 posts)this.. Thank You, Irisblue!
I tweeted it was a perfect time to call out Eddie G for not being able to vote for Hillary 'cause he fell for Stein & Sarandon's Lies.. & all those who spewed Lies about Hillary.. looking at you Sirota & BJG.
Link to tweet
Retweeted! TY!
Politicub
(12,165 posts)CNN has been doing a great job covering the protests and Biden. Don Lemon has no more shits to give and is so much more engaging than Chris Hayes. Anderson Cooper was on fire last night about how the protesters were gassed and fired on just for Trumps photo op.
No network is perfect, but CNN has been pretty awesome as of late.