Why are Cuomo and De Blasio fighting?

[Dem4Life1102]

https://www.amny.com/police-fire/cuomo-blasts-de-blasio-nypd-for-not-doing-enough-to-stop-looters-and-protecting-the-city/

[HotTeaBag]

1. As I understand it, they don't really seem to like each other much.

This is just another chapter it appears.

[jmg257]

2. Because NYC has been a disaster the last few nights, and nothing is getting better?

that would be my bet. Cuomo saying stupid stuff about allowing idealistic people out past curfew, and Deblasio doing nothing to enforce his.

O maybe because Cuomo messed up with the nursing homes re: covid-19?

Hmmm...

[PTWB]

3. Why are all these politicians so concerned about keeping the city safe from looting...

But not concerned about keeping the black men in the city safe? If we had half the attention given to stopping the killing of unarmed black men, that is given to stopping looting, we would be in a much better place.

[jmg257]

5. Because they have to answer to 100s of business owners who are totally screwed now, and they need

a substantial tax base? Tourism? Safety?

Someone has to pay for all the shit destroyed...wonder who?

[PTWB]

6. Hmmm

And now they have to answer to tens of thousands of their constituents who are enraged over decades of systemic oppression and racism. Choosing money over people... maybe it was the wrong choice?

[jmg257]

7. probably better if they chose both - they chose...poorly. so they're royally screwed.

Depends who they try to blame, and who buys it.

[NYC Liberal]

8. The vast majority of protesters have been peaceful.

The looters doesn't represent them; they are assholes who need to be shut down. Ultimately it's those constituents who are going to pay the price for those assholes.

[jmg257]

11. Excellent points added. And people do not like seeing their shit get destroyed, not their stores

not their city.

[PTWB]

12. How has peacefully protesting helped?

Going back to, say, the beating of Rodney King... how much as really improved? Unarmed black men are being murdered by police month after month, year after year. Sometimes the murder is caught on camera, and sometimes that is enough to secure discipline or criminal charges for those officers, but often the murders go completely unpunished and unacknowledged by the powers that be.

How long do you expect people to put up with that before they start breaking things?

[SharonClark]

19. So what do you suggest?

Do you think letting criminals destroy a city will accomplish anything that the peaceful protesters want?

[NYC Liberal]

26. You're kind of proving my point. People rioted after the Rodney King killing and, as you say:

"how much as really improved"?

You know what works? Organizing and voting. Exactly zero things will change unless people get involved at the lowest levels of government. That's how reform happens. That's how you're going to get real, concrete change: by voting out mayors and city councilmembers and and town board members and sheriffs who either make bad policy or stand in the way of changing it. That's how conservatives were able to get so much power in this country. They started at the bottom: with the offices most people don't pay attention to, but that make the policies that actually affect the vast majority of people's day-to-day lives.

The problem is that most people only show up every four years to vote for the president. Showing up at that local city council election that only 10 people vote in and electing people interested in implementing real change is going to do 100x more to improve things for the average person in your community than kicking Trump out will.

[PTWB]

28. Not working.

It’s been 157 years since the Emancipation Proclamation.

It’s been 65 years since Emmett Till.

It’s been 30 years since Rodney King.

It’s been a week since George Floyd.

How much longer do we wait for the system to start working?

[11 Bravo]

30. If you believe that destroying businesses, many of them minority owned ...

will bring about the change we desire, please say so ... explicitly.

[PTWB]

34. I can understand the thought process..

If the representatives don’t listen to peaceful black voices for decades, perhaps they will listen to the voices of angry business owners who are tired of having their livelihoods destroyed - although likely not as tired as black men are of being murdered by police.

[NYC Liberal]

32. Ransacking a Best Buy and stealing some iPhones will fix it.

Nobody is saying to simply "wait".

[PTWB]

35. Why do you think so many corporations are starting to acknowledge BLM/police brutality?

Because their bottom lines are being hurt. Corporations didn’t magically grow a conscience.

[jmg257]

38. Sure seems that those who are looting could really not give a shit about George Floyd.

Their looting always seems to happen in one place even while protests are happening elsewhere.

[crickets]

33. 👆👆👆 Voting locally is absolutely as important as voting in a presidential election year.

[Polybius]

10. Because if a small business store gets destroyed, the owner is beyond screwed

He is likely already suffering from Covid restrictions. This could make him homeless.

[PTWB]

13. Better homeless than murdered by the police.

We have got to start putting the lives of our people before the value of our property.

[Polybius]

14. You make it seem like it has to be one or the other

Why not no murder and no store destroyed?

Also, FYI many people who go homeless commit suicide.

[PTWB]

15. Of course both would be better.

But peacefully protesting has gotten us where, exactly? It’s 2020 and the killings continue.

Should we peacefully protest in 2030? 2040? 2050? 2100?

How many decades are we going to stand by and peacefully protest while nothing gets better? When is it time to stop peacefully protesting and start protesting in ways that cannot be ignored and dismissed?

[Polybius]

16. I understand, but there are other ways to do it without destroying a small store

I'm against all rioting, but if they did it to a huge corporate store it wouldn't hurt nearly as much as to a tiny shop. Leave the little guys alone especially.

[PTWB]

17. I'm for anything short of violence that will stop the murder of black men.

Property damage is unfortunate but I don’t consider it violence.

[SharonClark]

22. So destroying property stops the murder

of black men? How does that work?

[PTWB]

24. Eventually, hopefully, yes.

People have been peacefully protesting for decades and black men are still murdered regularly.

It is apparent to me that the only pressure that politicians will cave to is economic pressure. Perhaps continued economic pressure caused by rioting will be enough to get something meaningful done on a systemic level.

[Polybius]

41. It'll never 100% stop

There will always be a person unjustifiably killed by the police, even in 2050 or 2100.

[jmg257]

18. How long do you think they're gonna put up with rioting and looters?

When they start using real force will that be better?

Cuomo and DeBlasio know they look bad. They wont allow it to continue for long.

[PTWB]

23. What do you think the answer is?

Ask them nicely not to allow police to murder unarmed black men? Then ask them again? And again? And again? Forever?

At what point should people stop asking nicely?

[jmg257]

25. I don't have the answer. They want to get violent, they should prepare for the consequences.

Majority of People won't put up with it, no matter how righteous the original cause.

If "you" think that looting and rioting and killing cops is the solution - let it be on your head.

If you think burning cities to the ground is the answer, good luck with that.

[PTWB]

27. Wow.

1. The cops are the ones getting violent.
2. If you think that damaging property is worse than the murder of unarmed black men, then we will never see eye to eye.
3. Who the fuck thinks killing anyone - cops included - is the answer? Where the fuck did you pull that one from? Certainly not me.

[jmg257]

29. You are talking 2 separate issues. Cop on black violence, and rioting and looting.

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1) Some, yes.
2) I don't
3) Throwing molotov cocktails into cop cars, throwing bricks and wine bottles, driving SUVs through cops, shooting cops is safe?

What the local sheriff says were two protest-related shootings in Las Vegas Monday night left a Las Vegas police officer on life support and resulted in the death of a suspect at another scene...
"Our officers were taking rocks and bottles from the crowd ... when a shot rang out and the officer went down," said Lombardo, who called the wounded officer's condition Tuesday morning "grave."

Three officers hit by SUV as Buffalo protest turns violent outside police E-District

Woman identified by sources as Brooklyn lawyer accused of tossing Molotov cocktail at NYPD cruiser used Bud Light bottle for incendiary device:

Four officers shot in St Loius during riots.

Civilian shot protecting his property. Civilians have also sustained serious injuries — and even been killed — in the protests that have seen thousands arrested.

In Louisville, Kentucky, local business owner David McAtee was shot dead during an exchange of gunfire between police, the National Guard and protesters on Monday.

INDIANAPOLIS - Authorities are investigating “multiple shootings,” including one that left a person dead, in downtown Indianapolis on Saturday amid protests over the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis.

Two officers were shot, with one succumbing to his injuries and dying. The second officer was injured and his condition was not released by the FBI. On Saturday, officials from the Department of Homeland Security called the killing an act of Domestic Terrorism and said further attacks on law enforcement will not be tolerated.

"My brother, Dave Patrick Underwood, a federal officer, was murdered 5/29/20 in Oakland California, while on duty during the riots...

An upstate New York woman who appeared to confront a mob of looters outside a store was beaten in a disturbing moment caught on video, according to a report, as the city of Rochester descended into violent looting and riots Saturday night following the killing of

They attacked several police officers. They vandalized several police cars, attempting to light them on fire, breaking windows,” Williams said. “We have one officer who was stabbed -- was slashed in the neck and is currently at the hospital.”

Illinois man accused of passing out explosives at Minneapolis George Floyd protest

Wake the fuck up...people are getting killed.
And you are cheering it on.

[11 Bravo]

36. I suppose you could ask the many minority business owners who lost everything ...

how they feel, but you might not like their responses.
And besides, I'm sure you know best.

[PTWB]

37. Why don't you ask the families of the men who have ACTUALLY lost "everything.."

I’d say ask those men, but you can’t.

[11 Bravo]

40. I heard George Floyd's brother speak yesterday.

He asked for people to cut that shit out. Does he count?

Or do you know best?

[Renew Deal]

42. Can't people be concerned about both?

Looters make everyone unsafe. They burn down buildings. Other people respond by arming themselves. Then things get really stupid.

[JI7]

4. they don't like each other and usually it's an ego thing. glad california

Democrats get along and work together at all levels.

[Polybius]

9. They have been fighting for years

Cuomo is a Biden type Democrat. de Blasio is not.

[jmg257]

20. Lol - there it is! Because Cuomo is "disappointed and outraged about what happened last night".

Just quoted on CNN.

YOU ARE THE GOVERNOR - do something!!

While hes knocking trump for breaking up things after curfew, his cities are burning.

[clementine613]

21. Because they've been fighting since the day they met.

Why should today be any different?

[Baclava]

31. Cuomo said he could remove De Blasio and take over his job as mayor? thats gotta sting

[demmiblue]

39. Legitimate differences, plus testoterone. n/t