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octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 06:35 AM Jun 2020

Time for a mini-thread on police unions, because it is both tricky and very high stakes.




Collective bargaining is a powerful way to prevent against profiteering and to protect workers. Its a long-standing cornerstone of progressive politics.

In '09 membership of public sector unions surpassed membership of private sector unions, as manufacturing and farming shrunk.

But police unions have some unique characteristics. I've been learning from the very good folks at Campaign Zero (https://joincampaignzero.org) and want to amplify some findings here.



Jurisdictions where there are police unions result in 40% more violent misconduct. https://static1.squarespace.com/static/55ad38b1e4b0185f0285195f/t/5d92b749ad13ae3d9b293125/1569896278868/Sheriffs+Unions+Misconduct.pdf

Cities with police union contracts are 50% less likely to sustain excessive force complaints. https://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ccpuf.pdf

This is data on cops who were *re-hired after being fired*, by region, typically after arbitration and appeal, supported by the union.


There is some cognitive dissonance for me, because I believe in collective bargaining.

But when it comes to public safety, and when the employer is *the people*, direct, transparent accountability must take precedence. And it currently isn't. By design.

Collective bargaining in police unions has become very sophisticated. And it isn't just about wages, but about insulating officers from accountability -- across the board.

These data confirm that at very granular detail. I encourage you to read all of these papers.

Finally, there is a bill on the House floor that I want to call attention to: well-intended, but will serve to strengthen the influences above, and is counterproductive to its intended end. Call your congressperson, ask them to reconsider:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1154

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JI7

(89,240 posts)
1. They are like a gang or something. There has to be standards for sure
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 06:37 AM
Jun 2020

They purposely avoid hiring people who should do that type of work and it's like you have to be kind of shitty to get hired.

JustAnotherGen

(31,780 posts)
3. I've already contacted
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 06:57 AM
Jun 2020

My Senators and Rep, Governor and Assembly Members -

They need to carry liability insurance so IF they are a *bad apple* the settlement is paid by their insurance company - not the community.

It needs to be a licensed profession.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
4. Good idea! I live in Charlotte and am not pleased with their rehiring rate of
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 07:08 AM
Jun 2020

fired officers. One of the Ferguson officers was fired with pages of misconduct complaints and strolled on over to Ferguson and got rehired. The bad apples never leave until somebody dies and it gets enough press attention.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
5. police union contracts prohibits the drug testing of police officers, in what way does that
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 07:43 AM
Jun 2020

serve the public safety?

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
8. more likely than not in union contracts and if testing is allowed, its not done regularly and often
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:08 PM
Jun 2020

exclude steroids which causes a lot of physical and mental issues

melm00se

(4,984 posts)
7. In my experience
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 08:11 AM
Jun 2020

officers are rehired when the PTB either
1) do not follow the procedures laid out in the CBA (it is a binding contract between both parties and neither one can ignore it under the name of expediency).
2) do not afford the person in question due process (many times driven by ignoring #1).

Like it or not, union represented police officers are afforded the same rights any one else has.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
9. union contracts with police are no way as limiting as say employment contracts
Tue Jun 2, 2020, 12:10 PM
Jun 2020

the problem is enforcement and to tell you the truth, public officials really don't want to take on the cops for obvious reasons

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