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sandensea

(21,620 posts)
Fri May 29, 2020, 07:40 PM May 2020

Minneapolis riots: This is what a False Flag looks like

In this 3-minute video taken in Minneapolis during today's protests and disturbances stemming from the murder of George Floyd by now-fired police officer Derek Chauvin, a white man in his 20s is seen systematically smashing store windows.

He did so while in heavy disguise designed to mislead bystanders (and the media) into concluding that he's a black protester.

The man has not been as yet identified, much less arrested.

At: https://goldenageofgaia.com/2020/05/29/this-is-what-a-false-flag-looks-like/

A big Thank You to TheRickles for first finding and posting these news.
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Minneapolis riots: This is what a False Flag looks like (Original Post) sandensea May 2020 OP
K&R. n/t Kitchari May 2020 #1
K&R - thank you for posting this. More people need to see this. (nt) scarletwoman May 2020 #2
There's Probably Online Activity from Paid and Unpaid Trolls Urging The Protests and Riots Indykatie May 2020 #7
most likely a fucking cop gopiscrap May 2020 #3
He's allegedly been identified by his ex-wife. St.Paul cop. BamaRefugee May 2020 #8
Calling bullshit on that Loki Liesmith May 2020 #9
There's only like 1000 links out there now to look it up. Wives do tend to be able to recognize BamaRefugee May 2020 #14
Ooh links! You got him Columbo! Loki Liesmith May 2020 #27
Wow you definitely 100% got this guy. Loki Liesmith May 2020 #33
Wait, the police DENIED it?! Qutzupalotl May 2020 #52
Is he your cousin or something? mac56 May 2020 #18
You wanna believe this so bad it just hurts doesn't it? Loki Liesmith May 2020 #29
So, yes. mac56 May 2020 #35
Lol Loki Liesmith May 2020 #37
Heavy.com? Ooooooh. mac56 May 2020 #38
When you see him at the next family reunion mac56 May 2020 #45
Which, according to the messages by his apparent ex-wife quakerboy May 2020 #21
Uh huh Loki Liesmith May 2020 #28
Flag this film. iemitsu May 2020 #4
I thought he was identified. Baitball Blogger May 2020 #5
Only on Twitter's fever swamp brain Loki Liesmith May 2020 #10
They followed the person into the parking lot, and the young man said he recognized him. Baitball Blogger May 2020 #13
That's some rock solid detective work Loki Liesmith May 2020 #36
Gee. St. Paul police say the St. Paul policeman is not 'umbrella man'. Hermit-The-Prog May 2020 #48
On an earlier thread this morning folks said that his ex-wife recognized and outed him FM123 May 2020 #6
Yeah that's bullshit Loki Liesmith May 2020 #11
seen the face closeup. not possible to tell age from it IMO. pink shirt guy should get an msongs May 2020 #12
"Not identified yet" is the important part Hav May 2020 #15
So your theory is that the Democratic Mayor told the Democratic Police Chief to do this? brooklynite May 2020 #16
My theory is that quakerboy May 2020 #25
Neoliberals are free market, fiscally conservative true believers. They are NOT the same tblue37 May 2020 #26
The Mayor and Police Chief don't have to give out orders, ya know MagickMuffin May 2020 #43
This cannot slip off the radar Blue Owl May 2020 #17
$10 says that it was Alex Jones or Jacob Wohl. Initech May 2020 #20
"Something tells me"...always a solid evidentiary basis brooklynite May 2020 #44
Who the hell walks around with an umbrella like that at a protest.... Bengus81 May 2020 #47
I wonder what his Infowars user name is? Initech May 2020 #19
better yet, his Gab and Telegram usernames (white power Nazi's two favourite social media networrks) Celerity May 2020 #23
He was identified by his ex. WVreaper May 2020 #22
THIS! JustFiveMoreMinutes May 2020 #32
KR! Cha May 2020 #24
There were a lot of white protestors in Minneapolis, scenes tonight show more than 50% white. SunSeeker May 2020 #30
My daughter has texted me in the last hour with a possible answer to that question. Mister Ed May 2020 #34
I am not sure False Flag is the right term but I get it... BadGimp May 2020 #31
When white, brat purnks vandalize they bring golf clubs LeftInTX May 2020 #39
Smart police quietly target provocateurs like that. BrightKnight May 2020 #40
That one guy on the left sounds and looks like he isn't older than 18 or 19. LeftInTX May 2020 #41
The guy in the OP breaking windows is very organized. BrightKnight May 2020 #42
He needs to be identified: dalton99a May 2020 #46
Ngo is a RW extremist loon NewJeffCT May 2020 #49
I know, but the guy on the left is young and white LeftInTX May 2020 #51
Is the umbrella a weapon? NT Ilsa May 2020 #50

BamaRefugee

(3,483 posts)
14. There's only like 1000 links out there now to look it up. Wives do tend to be able to recognize
Fri May 29, 2020, 08:17 PM
May 2020

their husbands.😊She allegedly said he owns a mask like that, gloves like that and a hammer like that. The truth will come out no matter what anybody calls bullshit on right now.

My instant reaction, seeing the video, was he was a cop, WAY too casual doing it, he knew he had cover and protection from the people around him. He just strolls back to where his car was, too bad we can’t see it in the video.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,315 posts)
48. Gee. St. Paul police say the St. Paul policeman is not 'umbrella man'.
Sat May 30, 2020, 12:03 PM
May 2020

trump says only he can fix it. Got a link proving that, too?

msongs

(67,393 posts)
12. seen the face closeup. not possible to tell age from it IMO. pink shirt guy should get an
Fri May 29, 2020, 08:08 PM
May 2020

award for tracking the guy

Hav

(5,969 posts)
15. "Not identified yet" is the important part
Fri May 29, 2020, 08:28 PM
May 2020

yet rumors spread on Twitter within hours. After such a short time, he was "identified" by the Twitter detectives as a cop from such a small visible part of the face and way too many just buy it without questioning it. People that got hundreds of thousands of likes for this won't delete it while waiting for reliable information because they value their 15 minutes over the security and rights of others.

I have no idea about the identity but it's getting scary when a lynch mob is sent after a person that is probably innocent. We are supposed to believe he got identified by his ex but all we have are screenshots of text messages that could come from anywhere. He's said to have been in professional gear, yet the mask and gloves are supposed to be from the ex?

quakerboy

(13,918 posts)
25. My theory is that
Fri May 29, 2020, 09:36 PM
May 2020

Police get caught doing this sort of thing at virtually every major protest in virtually every major city.

Its also my theory that there is doccumented intentional infiltration of any possible law enforcement agency by white supremacists

Its also my theory that an unfortunate number of local LE are some varient of addict/steriod users.

Between all those factors, even if the mayor isn't a law and order type, and even if the police chief is a kind hearted non neoliberal Democrat who is less beholden to the police union than to the people, then this sort of thing is still highly believable.

But then i remember just having a D in front of your name doesnt make you a good person. It just means you were smart enough not to associate yourself with a party that is inherently corrupt.

tblue37

(65,289 posts)
26. Neoliberals are free market, fiscally conservative true believers. They are NOT the same
Fri May 29, 2020, 09:46 PM
May 2020

as liberals.

MagickMuffin

(15,933 posts)
43. The Mayor and Police Chief don't have to give out orders, ya know
Fri May 29, 2020, 11:58 PM
May 2020

Perhaps they got their marching orders from the very union that protects them, yes?




Blue Owl

(50,343 posts)
17. This cannot slip off the radar
Fri May 29, 2020, 08:58 PM
May 2020

Something tells me this fucker was paid to "do a job" and I would like to know who the fucking employer is...

Initech

(100,060 posts)
20. $10 says that it was Alex Jones or Jacob Wohl.
Fri May 29, 2020, 09:17 PM
May 2020

This certainly wouldn't be the first time they got paying protestors either.

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
47. Who the hell walks around with an umbrella like that at a protest....
Sat May 30, 2020, 11:52 AM
May 2020

Definitely wanting to hide........

Celerity

(43,279 posts)
23. better yet, his Gab and Telegram usernames (white power Nazi's two favourite social media networrks)
Fri May 29, 2020, 09:31 PM
May 2020
Gab is an English-language social media website known for its far-right userbase. The site has been widely described as a "safe haven" for extremists including neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and the alt-right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gab_(social_network)

The site was launched in 2017 and claimed to have almost 1,000,000 registered user accounts by July 2019. It has been noted to attract far-right and alt-right users and groups who have been banned from other social networks. The platform populace is primarily "conservative, male, and Caucasian". As of 2018, the site's most-followed users included high-profile, far-right figures such as Richard B. Spencer, Mike Cernovich, and Alex Jones. Gab recognizes far-right websites such as Breitbart News and InfoWars as competitors, according to a March 2018 financial filing.

Gab claims to stand for free speech and individual liberty, though these claims have been criticized for being a shield of the alt-right ecosystem. Antisemitism is a prominent part of the site's content, and the platform itself has engaged in antisemitic commentary. Researchers have written that Gab is "known to be hateful". The site gained extensive public scrutiny following the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting in October 2018, as Robert Gregory Bowers, the sole suspect, posted a message on Gab indicating an immediate intent to do harm before the shooting. Bowers had a history of making extreme, antisemitic postings on the site. After a backlash from hosting providers, Gab briefly went offline.

In February 2019, Gab launched Dissenter, a browser extension and website that allows Gab users to make comments on content hosted on any website via an overlay visible only to those logged into Dissenter or using the extension, and thus bypass their individual moderation practices. In April 2019, Dissenter was removed from the Firefox Add-ons website and the Chrome Web Store for violation of their policies. In July 2019, Gab switched its software infrastructure to a fork of Mastodon, a free and open-source social network platform. Mastodon released a statement in protest, denouncing Gab as trying to monetize racism under claims of free speech.

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How Telegram became a safe haven for pro-terror Nazis

Several dozen groups are disseminating white supremacist propaganda and videos of lynches and shootings

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/hope-not-hate-telegram-nazis

Totally encrypted and largely unmonitored, the messaging app Telegram was created to provide uncensored communication between citizens of autocratic countries. Unfortunately, while it counts hundreds of millions of users, the platform has grown most infamous as a safe-haven for terrorists. Now, a new report from the political action group Hope not Hate has found that the platform is playing host to several dozen Nazi channels.

These public and private chat groups, which post predominantly in English or Ukrainian and are predominately US-based, with a handful of UK groups, dub themselves the “Terrorgram”. The groups are highly interconnected, often reposting content from each other’s channels. They draw influence from existing far right terror groups like the Atomwaffen Division, the now defunct Nazi webforum Iron March, and the writings of American Neo-Nazi James Mason. The groups disseminate white supremacist propaganda, videos of lynches and shootings, survivalist and guerrilla training manuals, and instructions for manufacturing weapons, carrying out attacks and evading detection.

The groups also canonise other famous terrorists as “saints”. Murderers who have received this designation include David Copeland, the 1999 London nail bomber, Anders Breivik the perpetrator of the 2011 Utoya attack in Norway, as well as unexpected choices like the Islamist terrorist Omar Mateen. These posts often follow a particular aesthetic, known as “terrorwave”. This appears as, in the reports words, “red, white and black, the style often incorporates images of historical fascists, terrorists or paramilitaries wearing skull masks, alongside esoteric far-right symbols and simplistic slogans (such as “TRAITORS WILL HANG” and “RAPE THE POLICE”).”

The report’s author, David Lawrence, explains that though Telegram has long been used by the far right to communicate, there has been a noticeable surge in the channels and their numbers of users since the Christchurch massacre, on March 15, 2019. The report points to the Site Intelligence Group, which found that 80 per cent of a select sample of 374 far-right Telegram channels and groups were created between the March 15 massacre and October 30, 2019. The number of users in this community likewise increased, according to Site data published in the Washington Post: a sample of far-right channels created in May 2019 collectively increased their memberships by 117 per cent – from 65,523 to 142,486 by the end of October. The biggest Terrogram groups have accrued over 4,000 followers in under a year.

Another reason for this surge, the report explains, has been that many major social media companies have grown stricter, particularly after the far-right rally in Charlottesville. (In March of last year, for instance, Facebook said it was banning white nationalist and white separatist content from its platform.) These banned users often migrate to the comparative safe-haven of encrypted Telegram channels. “Telegram affords them far more privacy than they would get on other social media platforms,” explains Bharath Ganesh, a political geographer at the University of Groningen. “A private Facebook group can still be useful, but they know that Facebook will be monitoring that content.”

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SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
30. There were a lot of white protestors in Minneapolis, scenes tonight show more than 50% white.
Fri May 29, 2020, 10:08 PM
May 2020

But in other cities, the vast majority of the protestors are black, like in Sacramento, CA.

Any idea why that is?

Mister Ed

(5,928 posts)
34. My daughter has texted me in the last hour with a possible answer to that question.
Fri May 29, 2020, 10:18 PM
May 2020

She says that she has a group of friends who are out in the protests tonight, with the aim of getting arrested for curfew violation in place of black protesters. Their reasoning is that there are only so many seats on the police bus, and that, as white kids, they're likely to fare better in police custody than the black protesters might. They figure that if they can take the place of a black person who might otherwise go into police custody, then it's a way to use their white privilege to do some good.

BadGimp

(4,013 posts)
31. I am not sure False Flag is the right term but I get it...
Fri May 29, 2020, 10:10 PM
May 2020

That person was clearly a Provocateur imo. They are a solo operator or part of an organized group with the intent of fanning the flames and bringing about a racial confrontation.

To be clear there are many American Terrorists who want nothing more than to bring about a full-scale race war.

LeftInTX

(25,220 posts)
39. When white, brat purnks vandalize they bring golf clubs
Fri May 29, 2020, 11:15 PM
May 2020





(I think this Ngo guy might be a right wing person, but this was in Minneapolis on Wednesday night)

BrightKnight

(3,567 posts)
40. Smart police quietly target provocateurs like that.
Fri May 29, 2020, 11:33 PM
May 2020

I have seen people try to derail other protests like this. I have also seen police quietly target them and pull them out of the crowd.

I intended to post to the OP.

LeftInTX

(25,220 posts)
41. That one guy on the left sounds and looks like he isn't older than 18 or 19.
Fri May 29, 2020, 11:39 PM
May 2020

And he's very skinny. He sounds like he's still in high school.

BrightKnight

(3,567 posts)
42. The guy in the OP breaking windows is very organized.
Fri May 29, 2020, 11:48 PM
May 2020

He is no kid an he definitely has an agenda that has nothing to do with the actual protest.

Keep it peaceful and target the real trouble makers.

LeftInTX

(25,220 posts)
51. I know, but the guy on the left is young and white
Sat May 30, 2020, 12:15 PM
May 2020


I shared it due to the video clip, not Ngo's commentary.
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