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By Tommy Christopher
Former Vice President and current presumptive Democratic nominee for president Joe Biden distanced himself from renewed speculation about Sen. Amy Klobuchar as a possible running mate, and strongly hinted his eventual selection could be a black woman.
On Thursday, CBS News Ed OKeefe lit a fire under Klobuchars buzz with the scoop that shes been asked to undergo vetting for the VP slot, which caused quite a stir. Radio host Charlamagne tha God asked Biden about the report toward the end of a radio interview Friday morning.
A lot of people on social media, they werent too happy about that, and its because they want your running mate to be a black woman, Charlamagne said, and referenced a recent Washington Post op-ed by some of the leading black women voices in this country making the case for why Biden should pick a black woman as his running mate.
https://www.mediaite.com/news/joe-biden-not-so-subtly-shoots-down-klobuchar-running-mate-buzz-strongly-hints-at-black-vp/
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Faux pas
(14,668 posts)been thinking all along that it should be a black woman.
leftieNanner
(15,082 posts)That we can't afford to lose - Elizabeth Warren comes to mind. All of our Dem Senators are crucial to our taking back the Senate. I guess that means Susan Rice or Stacey Abrams. Kamala Harris would be replaced by a Democrat, so I guess she would be OK.
walkingman
(7,597 posts)leftieNanner
(15,082 posts)But we can't afford to lose her Senate seat. The Governor of Massachusetts is a Republican. He would replace her with another R and our margin to boot Moscow Mitch to the curb could be that narrow.
delisen
(6,042 posts)leftieNanner
(15,082 posts)It would be interesting to see what Governor Baker would do if she needed to be replaced temporarily. He would like to keep his job, so if he nominated a flame thrower, he would piss off a lot of voters. But any R would be bad news.
My fantasy regarding Moscow Mitch is that he loses his seat and can no longer be a trouble maker!
Owl
(3,641 posts)MyOwnPeace
(16,925 posts)*giving up a valuable Senate seat
*leaning too far one way or another for a particular sector of the party
*selecting someone with "outside" experience - (we need somebody from outside the swamp) ((Oh, yeah, how'd THAT work out!))
*looking for an "ethnic" core supporting a particular candidate
*age
Sometimes I think we "overthink" these issues: at one time I heard that IQ45 wanted Pence as his VP because he KNEW that nobody would want to be rid of him and have Pence as the replacement!
Valid points listed - tough decision for Joe - but I trust him and his team - WE must do EVERYTHING to support them!
dem4decades
(11,282 posts)If you think people don't consider the VP when voting see Sarah Palin.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)competent.
JCMach1
(27,556 posts)Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)or help attract progressive voters. There are better choices who will.
dixiechiken1
(2,113 posts)Although I think she'd make an AMAZING AG.
JI7
(89,247 posts)progressive voters.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)who would also help in certain swing states.
Indykatie
(3,696 posts)Biden will flip states but I don't think he needs a certain VP to flip any particular state. VPs rarely flip states. I really like Whitmer but Biden doesn't need her on the ticket to win Michigan. He's leading by 8 points currently in MI.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)Polling is tighter in those states and Harris doesn't help in either.
Celerity
(43,327 posts)have any of Klobuchar's issues and/or probkematic numbers with PoC, younger age cohorts, and the left half of the party. Harris also, certainly did not, at one point, have a record of voting to confirm 2/3rds of Rump's judicial nominees, including multiple clearly unqualified ones. Nor does she have a temperment/staff abuse history.
Of all the top 12 or so possible options atm, I need the least imagination to see Harris as POTUS. Hell, TBH, I think she would make a better POTUS right now than Biden, but Biden won 10,000% fair and square, and I have complete faith in him to be a superb POTUS as well. It isn't like Harris is some fresh out school, deer in the headlights rookie babe in the woods type either. She will turn 60 during the 2024 elections, with 35 years or so of DA, CA AG, US Senator, and US VP experience at that point (if she is picked as VP.) She is ready rock.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)even more than Harris. Women who actually live in those states and don't have any of Harris' baggage.
Celerity
(43,327 posts)I am fine with them as well, although each has drawbacks as well. There is no perfect candidate. If Obama had been in the US Senate for 10 years instead of 4, he would have been as perfect as one can get. Zero true structural weaknesses. And I am one insanely hard grader. Obamas come along once every 50, 70 years or so, if that.
Joe Kennedy Jr was probably the last one before Obama, and he died in WWII before he could even start the runup pathway..
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)And neither accused Biden of being a racist on national television.
Celerity
(43,327 posts)That is ex post facto revisionist spin via intentionally loaded framing.
I am not about to start relitigating the primaries, that is divisive and serves no good purpose.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Response to JCMach1 (Reply #7)
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The Magistrate
(95,244 posts)Gee, that really ices this cake of whatever the hell....
marble falls
(57,077 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,863 posts)marble falls
(57,077 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,863 posts)Chemisse
(30,809 posts)I wasn't excited about Klobuchar, so I am actually relieved.
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)Really want Kamala
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,848 posts)if he selects a black woman as his VP choice.
Here's something else. I have never understood why a VP pick would make a person jump from voting for one candidate to voting for the other one. What am I missing here?
Back when Gore picked Joe Lieberman as his running mate, I was truly appalled and thought he could hardly have done worse. But it was not about to push me over to voting for Bush.
In my case, I'm going to vote for the Democratic candidate, no matter how unhappy I am with that person.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)If we have a black woman as VP, we will then learn how sexist it can be.
But, fuck the sexists and racists. I would love to see Kamala Harris as VP.
delisen
(6,042 posts)It will be turning off a lot of voters. The coyness seems to trivialize what we are facings and the pitting of women against each other on the basis of race or ethnicity is insulting.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)R02091201
(95 posts)Klobuchar will be close in the running as well as Michelle Lujan Grisham, Governor of New Mexico.
TheBlackAdder
(28,183 posts).
Then, Michelle Obama 2024.
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Hermit-The-Prog
(33,328 posts)budkin
(6,699 posts)Or Abrams?
DFW
(54,357 posts)And not what seems politically expedient to the loudest shouters. It needs to be HIS choice. HE is the one who got nominated, and no one else. I hope he consults long and hard with Obama about this, because Obama made a REALLY good choice when it came down to it.
Personally, I really hope it is neither Harris nor Warren, but will absolutely stand by Biden's decision as long as it's HIS decision.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)helps win the election. Because if he doesn't win everything else is irrelevant.
Well said.
DeminPennswoods
(15,278 posts)of if people will see her as presidential because he might not serve for 8 years. I think Stacey Abrams comes across very well whether it's a normal speech or an interview. She's smart and knowledgeable has lead a life to which many Americans should be able to relate, but I'm not sure most Americans could picture her as President Abrams. It's the same with Demmings, Whitmer and some of the others.
The only VP choices who I believe would pass the "president __________" test are Warren and Harris and mabye Klobuchar.
Dem4Life1102
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Everything else makes no difference if he doesn't win.
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)Fired up!
judeling
(1,086 posts)Biden really wants Klobuchar. She totally fits his criteria and was loyal and supportive even within the primary process. He mentored her as she came into the Senate and worked closely with her as VP, as she was one of the main conduits to the Republican caucus as one of Reed's main Republican whisperers. Given a snap choice under pressure she would be the pick.
But
He needs to win so by the middle of the July the course of the Virus will be clear as the science and economics catch up. At that point he will know if he needs to play defense and so pick someone who helps with the base. However if it looks like I expect he will make an aggressive pick that is aimed at the wavering Trump base. It really is the difference between a narrow win and a big one,
I have been fighting this fight for a long time. Democrats are really good at imagining the exercise of power, but really bad at imagining the acquisition of it. We have ceded large parts of the electorate, not by policy choices but by understanding what those choices mean.
Take M4A. That is all well and good but it is not the issue in Rural America. The issue there is not how to pay for it but how to get it. Your world looks entirely different when the drive goes from a half hour to a hour to get to the maternity ward or the emergency room.
In the cold hard math of electoral politics a flip counts more then twice as much as a new voter or activating a leaner. It also moves he window of possibility much more as those voter invest in your success.
That is why Klobuchar more then any other candidate is the best choice. Not because she will bring huge amounts of any state EC votes or any particular demographic, but because she will allow those already inclined to go to Joe to solidify that and those who would want to make the switch but are wary to ally those concerns.
If Biden does pick Klobuchar I will breath a huge sigh of relief because that will show a great confidence. What is more it will make Trump's playbook almost unusable. It will be very hard to generate hatred and fear against "Sleepy Joe" and Klobuchar. Doing so will only really hurt him. What is more Biden and Klobuchar are at their core pragmatists not only are the solutions to the current crisis much more inline with progressive goals, but just the huge amount of pending legislation already agreed to by the Senate Democratic caucus and the House will profoundly change the way forward.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)Don't see any evidence that he wants her over anyone else. Plus as stated last week in the Washington Post, many African Americans would consider it a slap in the face if he picked her. Don't think progressives would be that enthusiastic either. Plus she would be no help flipping Florida or North Carolina.
judeling
(1,086 posts)But besides that. The idea that African Americans are going to abandon Biden or even sit at home when Trump is literally allowing them to die in disproportionate numbers is just plain wrong.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)but they may not come out in the same numbers that they did for Obama. Klobuchar will not energize the African American vote nor does she help flip any swing states. She's Tim Kaine 2.0.
TheFarseer
(9,322 posts)Joe wants Klobuchar. Hes trying to make it seem that he is strongly considering your favorite, whoever that may be.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)TheFarseer
(9,322 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,869 posts)I think she would destroy Pence in VP debates.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)Sugarcoated
(7,722 posts)Sen Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada. She's on his list, she'd be a very, very smart pick. She's very impressive, you can SEE her as president.