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Mon May 11, 2020, 11:46 AM

Wuhan lab phone records show 'possible shutdown' in October

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Wuhan lab phone records show 'possible shutdown' in October

Washington: US intelligence agencies are reportedly examining mobile phone data suggesting there could have been an emergency shutdown in October at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

According to a report, obtained by NBC News, there was no mobile phone activity in a high-security part of the Chinese laboratory complex from October 7 to 24. Previously, there had been consistent use of mobile phones.

The report, carried out by private experts, suggested there may have been a "hazardous event", specifically at the institute's National Biosafety Laboratory, between October 6 and 11. Analysis of mobile phone data from around the institute also suggested roadblocks were in place between October 14 and 19.

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It was unclear which private organisation carried out the leaked analysis of the mobile phone location data. But the 24-page report suggested it "supports the release of COVID-19 at the Wuhan Institute of Virology" and that the pandemic began earlier than thought. The first confirmed case was on November 17.

The document was obtained by NBC News in London and has been seen by the US Senate intelligence committee.

More: https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/wuhan-lab-phone-records-show-possible-shutdown-in-october-20200510-p54rid.html

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Reply Wuhan lab phone records show 'possible shutdown' in October (Original post)
MelissaB May 2020 OP
Johnny2X2X May 2020 #1
MelissaB May 2020 #4
LiberalArkie May 2020 #17
Johnny2X2X May 2020 #18
LiberalArkie May 2020 #19
Johnny2X2X May 2020 #20
LiberalArkie May 2020 #26
Igel May 2020 #28
lame54 May 2020 #2
MelissaB May 2020 #5
Blue_true May 2020 #31
dawg May 2020 #3
MelissaB May 2020 #7
dawg May 2020 #9
Salviati May 2020 #25
Blue_true May 2020 #34
uponit7771 May 2020 #21
Blue_true May 2020 #32
mainer May 2020 #6
MelissaB May 2020 #8
FreeState May 2020 #10
dalton99a May 2020 #11
SoonerPride May 2020 #12
greenjar_01 May 2020 #13
C_U_L8R May 2020 #14
uponit7771 May 2020 #22
MelissaB May 2020 #27
MineralMan May 2020 #15
uponit7771 May 2020 #23
Blue_true May 2020 #35
superpatriotman May 2020 #16
2naSalit May 2020 #24
MelissaB May 2020 #29
Blue_true May 2020 #36
Blue_true May 2020 #30
blitzen May 2020 #33

Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 11:51 AM

1. Doubtful

It makes easy headlines, but it's already been 100% ruled out this was man made, and 99% ruled out it was an escape from this lab as the Coronavirus we see in the population is not genetically the same as the ones that were being studied in the lab.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #1)

Mon May 11, 2020, 11:55 AM

4. I'd argue it does the opposite.

I don't think many people are saying this was man made, however, that it escaped the lab hasn't been proven one way or the other.

I'm trying to keep an open mind here. I don't think this was done on purpose, but I don't doubt the government would try to cover up an accident.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #1)

Mon May 11, 2020, 01:12 PM

17. Man made - no... Being studied like every other virus - Yes. Accidentally on someones shoe or face?

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #17)

Mon May 11, 2020, 01:18 PM

18. That's all but ruled out too

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-scientists-think-the-novel-coronavirus-developed-naturally-not-in-a-chinese-lab/

Covid-19 is not genetically similar to the viruses that we're being studied at that lab even though their names sound similar. The genetics point to something not being studied at all in the Wuhan lab. And furthermore, China has allowed the lab to continue to operate and has been willing to let workers there speak freely, hardly what they'd be doing if it was the source of an escape.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #18)

Mon May 11, 2020, 01:25 PM

19. If it came from a bat taking a number 2 on some other animal in a market a little ways from the

viral lab, I would guess they should have been studying that they do all the time. They send researchers to the bat caves all the time time and pick up samples and bring them back to the lab to study the viruses to see if anything harmful is on the horizon.

I guess the researchers messed up big time then.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #19)

Mon May 11, 2020, 02:22 PM

20. The viruses they had gathered and studied at that lab do not match

Covid-19 is genetically different than anything they've studied at the lab. Unless they're doing the worst cover up in history, this is not a wild virus that escaped from this lab.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #20)

Mon May 11, 2020, 03:26 PM

26. I guess they still screwed up, as that was what the lab was for. That was why it was built and

certified BL-4 and why WHO had people there, to catch the next Sars MERs or what ever what going to come down the pike.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #1)

Mon May 11, 2020, 04:14 PM

28. The claim that this virus' genome wasn't among those in the lab's database

crucially relies on a search conducted by the lab of its database.

Now, if you've dealt with databases you know information can be deleted.

Not sure how valid this particular claim is--but it's a claim that needs acknowledgement instead of being ignored in the discussion--because there's evidence that a bit later there were numerous changes made to keywords in the database.

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 11:51 AM

2. Great - another Trump shield...

Has zero to do with his horrendous non-job of dealing with this

But what a great distraction

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Response to lame54 (Reply #2)

Mon May 11, 2020, 11:56 AM

5. That's two seperate issues.

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Response to MelissaB (Reply #5)

Mon May 11, 2020, 08:51 PM

31. No. You are picking up a false flag.

An American with intimate real time knowledge of that lab said that it didn't have a virus with the RNA of SARS-COV-2 in it's inventory.

Running off after false flags distract from a key and important need, to find out more about viruses that can be transmitted from wild animals that are killed for food (including wild animals here in the USA).

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 11:53 AM

3. This is all so pointless.

However this got started, whether through negligence in a lab or negligence in regulating wet markets, what really matters is how we protect our people now. That means testing, tracing and isolating. Not bullshit investigations focused on finding someone else to blame.

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Response to dawg (Reply #3)

Mon May 11, 2020, 12:01 PM

7. Trump blew protecting Americans bigly, but don't you don't think governments across the world

want to know the extent the Chinese covered this up?

I do agree that we need to be doing what we can to protect people now, but the US sure is struggling with this.

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Response to MelissaB (Reply #7)

Mon May 11, 2020, 12:07 PM

9. I already know they covered it up and lied about the severity of the problem.

Guess what? My government did that too.

What we really, REALLY, need to do with regard to China, is to try and salvage as much co-operation as we can. Because the virus is happy to infect all of us, regardless of nationality.

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Response to dawg (Reply #9)

Mon May 11, 2020, 03:18 PM

25. Forget "did that" it's more like "is still doing that"

and this preoccupation with trying to show Chinese malfeasance is part and parcel of the distraction.

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Response to MelissaB (Reply #7)

Mon May 11, 2020, 08:57 PM

34. We already know that China failed to immediately alert

World health authorities. We also know that in early January, they did alert the WHO, that organization alerted US authorities two months before the first case showed up in the USA. Also, CDC employees working on assignment with the WHO in Switzerland alerted USA authorities that there was a dangerous virus spreading in China.

TRUMP FUCKED UP AND CONTINUES TO FUCK UP AND AMERICANS ARE DYING. That is all that is relevant at this point.

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Response to dawg (Reply #3)

Mon May 11, 2020, 02:33 PM

21. +1

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Response to dawg (Reply #3)

Mon May 11, 2020, 08:52 PM

32. Bingo!!! Hammer meets nailhead. nt

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 11:58 AM

6. Phone use shutdown related to Chinese holidays?

Isn't China's "Golden Week" at the beginning of October? Maybe employees weren't working?

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Response to mainer (Reply #6)

Mon May 11, 2020, 12:06 PM

8. The senate intelligence committee has been briefed.

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Response to mainer (Reply #6)

Mon May 11, 2020, 12:11 PM

10. 1-7 of October n/t

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 12:13 PM

11. "We do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible."

Here’s how a team of biologists, infectious disease researchers and biosecurity experts put it in a report published in the journal Nature Medicine: “We do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible.”

To reach that conclusion, the authors drew on research that compared the genetic signatures of three sets of viral samples. The first were drawn from Chinese patients who became sick late last year with unexplained pneumonia; the second came from bats living near Wuhan, China, and which were sometimes brought to an open-air market for sale; and the third was from pangolins, mongoose-like animals from Malaysia that were known to have been illegally imported into China. ...

Meanwhile, other researchers who sifted through the genetic sequences of dozens of preserved viral samples found that the new coronavirus is a distant cousin of the coronavirus that caused the SARS outbreak of 2002 and 2003, and the coronavirus that gave rise to MERS in 2009. The virus responsible for COVID-19 has distinctive features that separate it from its predecessors by many, many generations, according to their report in the Journal of Virology.

But none of the genetic mutations looked like ones a scientific genius would engineer in a lab to tweak a virus for better performance, the researchers wrote. Instead, they have all the hallmarks of the gradual accretion of changes that occur over time as a virus encounters new environments and the immune systems of new organisms.

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-05-09/was-the-coronavirus-made-in-a-wuhan-lab-heres-what-the-genetic-evidence-shows

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 12:15 PM

12. I trust our government as much as the Chinese government on this issue, which is to say not at all

And at this point it is all pointless anyway.

Enough finger pointing.

I want to see solutions.

Oh, they don't have any?

Great.

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 12:17 PM

13. ...

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 12:42 PM

14. Who cares where it came from?

It's here now. And the Trumps are fucking up royally. Nice distraction though.

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #14)

Mon May 11, 2020, 02:34 PM

22. +1, ... they continue to screw up to this day !!!

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #14)

Mon May 11, 2020, 03:30 PM

27. Me, and I don't want it to happen again.

Yes, we have to deal with it.

No, I don't see it as a distraction.

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 12:52 PM

15. Yabbut there is this:

"It was unclear which private organisation carried out the leaked analysis of the mobile phone location data."

Did the Chinese government ignore things? No doubt.
Did the US Government ignore things? Why, yes.

That's what governments tend to do.

On the other hand, this supports Trump, so I'm extra skeptical...You should be, too, I think.

But, I know - You're just saying...

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #15)

Mon May 11, 2020, 02:41 PM

23. +1, no matter what Trump says about China everyone knows he screwed around for 2 months and

... did little to nothing to stop the spread of the virus in the US on a federal level.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #15)

Mon May 11, 2020, 09:08 PM

35. In 1918, Woodrow Wilson lied about the virus that was spreading

across the USA. You worked in big business over your life, high executive often cover up stuff because revealing that they have a problem that they can't control makes them look weak, multiply that 1,000 times with a psycho like Trump pulling the strings, it's like having a clone of the Mad Hatter and the Joker from the Dark Night movie in control.

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 12:56 PM

16. Let's worry anout the autopsy

after the body is dead

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 03:00 PM

24. Hmmm

I wonder if this is really what it claims or a manufactured product. Pompeii has been out of sight for a spell all while making noises that he has lots of evidence. He could have been singing in harmony with ghouliani on that so I am really skeptical at this point. They make shit up so often and many of their claims and sequence of action are so similar.

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 06:47 PM

29. Note:

This is an article from a reputable source discussing "mobile phone data suggesting there could have been an emergency shutdown in October at the Wuhan" in October of last year.

NBC obtained a document and the US Senate Intelligence Committee was briefed about this event.

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Response to MelissaB (Reply #29)

Mon May 11, 2020, 09:12 PM

36. You ignored a couple of people that explained to you that the lab

did not have anything that matched SARS-COV-2 in it's pathogen inventory at that time.

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 08:46 PM

30. A USA virology expert who has good knowledge of the bat virus

pathogens the lab was working with ruled out accidental release, because according to him, the lab did not have a virus with the SARS-COV-2 RNA in it's possession.

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Response to MelissaB (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 08:54 PM

33. For those who would buy this, I have some nice yellowcake from Niger that I'll throw in free. n/t

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