Gretchen please call in the national guard

[vercetti2021]

These people are fucking terrorists and they need to be treated as such. These people are gonna start killing others.

[Light63]

1. I'll 100% second you!

The scene is extremely ridiculous! Where are the police? Governor Gretchen needs to call in the national guard to lock all of these extremists up.

[ripcord]

56. A lot of ignorant and bloodthirsty people in this thread.

Not only are there open carry laws in Michigan but there are no laws preventing them form carrying guns in the state capitol. Plus there is the fact that state police not only allowed them to enter but took their temperatures on their way in.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52496514

Hundreds of demonstrators, a few of them armed, gathered in Lansing and many did not wear masks or socially distance.

Police checked their temperatures before some were allowed into the capitol, where lawmakers were debating

[sarisataka]

65. I recall a few years ago a gungeon post

That had a suggestion on how to treat gun owners. It was to discourage gun ownership, "shoot a few dead and let their bodies rot in the street as a warning "

Apparently that attitude is returning. It leads me to believe that the objection is not to gun violence per se. It seems to be fine to kill people, maybe even many people, with guns- as long as the "right" people are being killed.

Do not take my comment in any way as support for the protesters. I have long advocated that guns should not be used in any protest. I also consider these people to be boorish pricks. But the fact is they did not actually violate any laws.

No matter how objectionable we find an otherwise legal protest, I do not think it is wise to set the precedent that it is acceptable for police, the National Guard or attack helicopters to open fire on such a protest.

[lsewpershad]

70. +1

[imanamerican63]

2. But that exactly what Trump wants!

I agree with, but the flip side could ugly?

[vercetti2021]

3. Doesn't matter

Humans lives are worth more than their stupidity and martyrdom.

[imanamerican63]

4. I completely understand!

It is not good .

[QED]

10. He does!

It might give him justification to declare martial law and cancel the election in November.

[Progressive Jones]

44. He cannot cancel an election. Only Congress can do that. nt

[kimbutgar]

5. And they should close down the streets around the capitol building to all vehicles and people.

These little bullies need to get profiled and put in a data base of the state that when they apply for renewals of drivers licenses and auto registration fees they get a capitol protest surcharge fee added.

[scarletwoman]

6. Great idea! (nt)

[HarlanPepper]

7. MAGAT dispersal machine

The first sight of one of these babies flying over their heads and they’ll shit their tidy whities and run home.

[ProfessorGAC]

9. A Couple Drones Would Be Fine

No pilot at risk. These fools aren't worth risking any lives.

[HarlanPepper]

14. Nah. Bring the thunder. Drones are for lightweights.

[ProfessorGAC]

15. Good One!

Made me laugh!

[SheltieLover]

23. 😳 Is that thing real?

Looks like something out of a horrible nightmare.

[noneof_theabove]

24. yep

Boeing AH-65 Apache

[SheltieLover]

25. WOW!

Yup, that would have maggots 💩💩💩ing selves.

Thank you for answering.

[dware]

31. Nope,

it's an AH-64D Apache, not an AH-65.

[dware]

30. Seriously?

You've never seen a picture of an Apache attack helicopter?

They've been used quite extensively in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[cwydro]

49. Were you asleep during coverage of the Iraq war?

[SQUEE]

29. Posse comitatus...

Being the first hurdle, second, they were legally allowed to bring firearms.

So you are asking the right leaning, at best, US military to illegally fire on American citizens for practicing the 1st, and 2nd amendments?

And final hurdle, Michigan has no NG attack squadrons.

[sir pball]

34. The Michigan Air National Guard has attack wings

They fly MQ-9 Reaper drones and A-10 Warthogs. Methinks a low pass with a couple of Hogs would motivate these mouthbreathers to disperse...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Air_National_Guard

[SQUEE]

36. Exactly how well is that going to play on the news?

A country using those assets on its own people is one that needs to be overthrown, by it's very definition.

Funny watching a Democrat want to use the military to "break" dissent. almost as if you think Kent State and the destruction of the Bonus Army were great ideas.

[dware]

38. Reading the majority of these comments chills my blood,

thank you for being a voice of reason.

[Celerity]

72. +100000

[Celerity]

71. +100000

[HarlanPepper]

35. Suddenly I'm reminded of a movie

[SQUEE]

37. I have classic grunt humor...

I also can see when a POG is outside their lane.

[albacore]

41. You don't see them as "threatening"... or "brandishing"?

Threatening...having a hostile or deliberately frightening quality or manner.

Brandishing... wave or flourish (something, especially a weapon) as a threat or in anger or excitement.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/zDGEr1F-3bxvt21B80QtDVLMdCgN5QVwd5mzceTXr9fdQs7H7qlw2fhu3cVRSIkOh-V7BQ=s142

If they were black or brown, there would be charges of some kind brought.

I don't want them fired on, either.

But.

At what point should our troops... NG or regulars... fire on violent people threatening our various government building?

What about tear gas or stingball grenades.

Or arresting them one by one at their homes.

I took part in hundreds of antiwar - and other - protests. We were never armed. What gives these assholes the idea they can threaten government?
I'll answer my own question.. trump.

If this is allowed to continue - and grow - we can expect chaos in the fall.

[SQUEE]

54. I do see them as threatening, and that is not enough to use deadly force.

[albacore]

55. Don't need to. Tear gas. Stingball grenades. Arresting them at later..at home..

Or. Just pretend they are black, and wade in with the nightsticks.

This has to be nipped in the bud. NOT the demonstration part... the threatening/brandishing part.

[SQUEE]

57. That ship sailed in Virginia.

I am not threatened at all by this posturing, BUT I know plenty of these people, and they are getting desperate*, and one thing I can tell you, giving them a Boston Massacre is a damn fool idea. I also see way too many people here calling for violence, especially considering they are not going to be the ones in immediate danger.









* and some of their fears are justified, many are out of work, out of funds and out of patience.

[albacore]

59. "...out of patience..." Wow... what at amazing concept.

Out of patience with a virus.
"We're Murikans... we ain't gonna let no little biddy germ tell us what to do."

Oh.... yes they ARE going to have the virus tell them what to do.

People need to grow the fuck up. Stop believing in magic. Face the reality of this thing.

And danger? The danger lies with untrained people who have been pumped so full of lies and dogma about Free-dumb and guns that they think they represent the goddam Founding Fathers. I'm surprised there haven't been negligent discharges. Or some hothead firing a round just to draw attention. That will be next, I suppose.

Arresting these people singly...out of their homes...in broad daylight for the neighbors to see involves little risk. And search warrants for the home of anybody threatening legislators will no doubt turn up interesting things. A few of these clowns in prison may give the Movement some pause.

[SQUEE]

60. a pause,

or light a fire.

I am confident you will have my back as we stack up on doors... Right?

If you think this is only about not being told what to do, well you aren't listening. Which is not surprising, since they are the enemy, we have no need to talk to them, right, just send people to their homes to take them down, super easy, barely an inconvenience.

Tell me are you going to be at my house protecting my family while I do these "simple" raids? Because i know one thing for sure, they will be showing up once word gets out.

You and everyone else clamoring for bloodshed and violence have zero clue what you are talking about, and what lays at the end of the road you are screaming to take.

[albacore]

61. You think I'm advocating crashing doors?

You think 3 or 4 police cars arriving while some asshole mows his lawn is going to set off Armageddon? Could happen, I suppose, but don't you think that it's more likely that you get those guys at home... or even better, at work...and frog-march them off to the cop shop, that they wet themselves? The family would be mortified...

Again I ask. At what point do these assholes go too far? Negligent discharge? Firing for shock value? Shooting with no intent to kill? Shooting at somebody? Shooting and hitting someone?

Where is the line? And what is the response when shit gets real.

See... I thought pointing a rifle at a Federal officer from a place of concealment was a crime a few years ago, but I guess all that shit is out the window now. This is going to escalate, and I believe more will be hurt than if we coddle home-grown terrorist wanna-bees.

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[SQUEE]

64. I see this is really accomplishing nothing.

I don't think you understand how this stuff rally works, or what people are really capable of. Your verbiage is almost the same as theirs in fact. I am finding that more and more common and very worrisome.

[albacore]

68. This same verbiage went on during Shays' Rebellion. And the Whiskey Rebellion, too.

It's part of our history. Part of US. Washington himself led the militia putting down the Whiskey Rebellion.

I find myself supporting Washington and Madison. Hamilton, even. Odd... for me, anyway.

You're supporting Jefferson.

I do think that while Jefferson thought a little rebellion was good for the country, he'd be amazed at how far we've come... and how low we've sunk. Jefferson would have freaked out at some creature like trump in the WH.

Are you saying that the various state governments should do nothing to discourage armed protesters taking over government buildings and interfering in government business...including the legislature?

[SQUEE]

69. These are complicted issues.

But I see a huge chasm between discouraging protestors and chickenhawkish cries of send in the Warthogs and Apaches...

People literally cheering on the idea of using military hardware against people they disagree with. Most of whom are not now, nor ever have been the ones doing the fighting, look around this and a few other threads, and take a good hard look at what they are cheering for.
Droning on American soil, using CAS against protestors, purposefully infecting the "other side", withholding medical care from infected people based on lifestyle and political leaning. Even in jest, which I doubt everyone is it is pretty disgusting.

An please do not try and warp disagreement with this rhetoric as a support of the current Republican and Conservative groups, it is a warning that this is exactly how nations begin the descent into death squads and pogroms. Dehumanizing is evil, and the mark of monstrosity.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

8. They already rifle-clubbed a woman journalist in Michigan. . . nt

[relayerbob]

11. 100% agreed

They are terrorists.

Period.

[gibraltar72]

12. State police handled Flint water protesters much rougher than this under Snyder.

[Traildogbob]

21. Native Americans

Peacefully protesting to protect their water from poison oil pipelines through THEIR land “Awarded” to them after stealing theirs, no weapons, where gassed, shot with rubber bullets, arrested and Sprayed with mega doses of pepper spray. Jail those fat asses, then ship them
to Afghanistan and let em play soldier.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

13. Besides the threat of guns, they also had...

... more young, dancing white girls for this version of a “MAGA rally”.

Link to tweet

Reminds me of this crap from a 2016 Trump rally in Alabama:

[Alex4Martinez]

17. What the serious fuck did I just watch??? Young girls in Trump and Obama masks dancing???

WTF?

Link to tweet

[Buckeye_Democrat]

18. It's like a really weird religious cult.

I’m starting to think snake-handlers have more going for them.

[cwydro]

48. And one of the girls wearing some sort of mask?

I can’t tell what it’s supposed to be.

The whole thing is sickening.

[AtheistCrusader]

66. what the what the fuck is this

[yaesu]

16. I just finished wayching her live town hall, she was as cool as a cucumber, said she has no time

for those playing politics, said her job is to help save lives. She was very leader like, like a president should be.

[bucolic_frolic]

19. Pinkertons

Do what corporate America would do. Bust up the rebellion before it become the Defenestration of Prague!

[AtheistCrusader]

67. Fun story. In Washington our State Constitution has a version of the 2nd Amendment.

It specifically includes an exception that employing an armed body of men is not covered. It was in reaction to, specifically, the Pinkertons.

State Right to Bear Arms in Washington

Article I, Section 24 of the Washington State Constitution states: "[t]he right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men."

[hadEnuf]

20. Maybe it's time for non fascists to start showing up with their guns to make sure these

assholes leave in time for dinner?



PS/ Why do we wonder why ANTIFA was put down so quickly?

[SheltieLover]

22. Should have arrested & charged as domestic terrorists the 1st time when blocking hospital road!

Rocket docket to 20+ years each & get lots of media coverage. That will stop the shit. Immediately!

My motto is coddling is enabling, which leads to emboldenment.

Lock them up!
I read that a maggot was shouting among other armed maggots CALLING FOR GOVERNORS EXEXUTION. If true, this needs to get death penalty!

This is just so far from OK. 🤬🤬🤬

[cwydro]

50. Hmm, death penalty for threats...

Oookay. Right.

Wasn’t it you calling for the death penalty for the idiot who slashed tires at a hospital? Big fan of capital punishment, aren’t you?

[ripcord]

26. How would this work since they aren't breaking any laws?

[ItsjustMe]

27. Republicans are cowards

Why are these weapons necessary.

[Ahpook]

28. What is going on?

Sorry I've been in the woods camping and not checked the latest news.

Trumpers up to their typical dumb shit?

[Buckeye_Democrat]

32. Protesters, some armed, enter Michigan Capitol in rally against COVID-19 limits

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/04/30/protesters-gathering-outside-capitol-amid-covid-19-restrictions/3054911001/

[dware]

33. Wow!!!!

This on a progressive website?
Firing on Americans who are not breaking any law?

[sarisataka]

39. There have been quite a few posters

Calling for the police or the NG to kill these people...

[dware]

40. I saw that and it chills me to the bone. nt.

[sarisataka]

42. There is one thing I fear more

Than failing to win in November.

That is in defeating Trump and his supporters we lose ourselves in the process.

[dware]

43. I couldn't agree more.

It seems that that is becoming a reality, I mean just look at most of the comments here on DU, it's all about hate this, hate that.

This sure isn't the DU I remember when I first joined in 2001, that's why I don't post a whole lot, besides my job keeps me pretty busy all over the US.

[burrowowl]

58. It sure isn't.

Might go back to smirking chimp

[Turin_C3PO]

62. Hating Trump and Trumpism

is the proper action to their behavior. Your accusations are basically suggesting that we’re the same as Trump. That’s “both-siderism” and it’s complete bullshit.

[vercetti2021]

46. Let me ask you something

Do you find it acceptable to rush a capital building armed with assault rifles because they are so called protesting? No they are trying to strong arm the governor for keeping them safe. If a black crowd did this, they would have open fired on them without hesitation.

They should have been arrested.

[dware]

47. No. 1, nobody had an assault rifle,

No. 2, arrested for what? it's legal to carry a weapon in the Michigan State Capitol, so what crime would they be arrested for?

Do I find it acceptable?
No, but until the law is changed, there is nothing illegal about it, dumb, stupid, yes, but not illegal.

[HotTeaBag]

52. I agree.

I was pretty astonished to find out that it is in fact legal for civilians to carry firearms into the actual building.

That must be some archaic law on the books meant for a MUCH different time.

[Cha]

45. Oh my god. Please stay safe everyone. This is happening right now

Link to tweet

[MichMan]

74. The protest was in the House chambers, the governor was not there

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[Kaleva]

51. As mentioned, they haven't broken any laws.

They are not going to risk getting ticketed fighting for a cause they say they would gladly sacrifice their lives for.

[roamer65]

53. I sent her a message asking for the NG last night.

The capitol grounds need to be secured.

[Marrah_Goodman]

63. It's legal there

They need to change the law before they can do anything about it. Idiots for ever making something like this legal.

[Celerity]

73. +100000