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Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 01:39 PM Apr 2020

AOC Endorses Joe Biden: 'Absolutely' Must 'Rally Behind Our Democratic Nominee'

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Endorses Joe Biden: ‘Absolutely’ Must ‘Rally Behind Our Democratic Nominee’
By Tommy Christopher

Progressive New York Democratic Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez delivered an unequivocal endorsement of former Vice President Joe Biden’s candidacy, saying that voters “absolutely” should “rally behind our Democratic nominee in November.”

On Wednesday’s edition of ABC’s The View, host Whoopi Goldberg asked AOC if she’d “be able to do the same thing” as Bernie Sanders and endorse Biden, and whether “it’s time to have a conversation with Joe?”

“Absolutely,” she replied, adding that “the stakes are too high when it comes to another four years of Trump.”

Her remarks went beyond having a “conversation” about endorsing Biden, though, as AOC went on to say “I think it’s really important that we rally behind our Democratic nominee in November,” and argued explicitly against voting third party.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-endorses-joe-biden-absolutely-must-rally-behind-our-democratic-nominee/
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AOC Endorses Joe Biden: 'Absolutely' Must 'Rally Behind Our Democratic Nominee' (Original Post) Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 OP
Excellent. klook Apr 2020 #1
Nancy must've spanked her hard SheltieLover Apr 2020 #2
Nancy gave her a lesson in "grown up" agingdem Apr 2020 #8
Amen, thank you Nancy!!!! Butterflylady Apr 2020 #55
Condescending horseshit. Magoo48 Apr 2020 #64
Yes, but she'd just floated some very different balloons, Hortensis Apr 2020 #73
No, this was from the EXACT SAME INTERVIEW. But this headline writer pnwmom Apr 2020 #147
Pnwmom, illiberal, anti-Democratic dissidents NORMALLY use Hortensis Apr 2020 #149
If Madame Speaker didn't speak directly to AOC a signal was sent to her because the very next day,.. brush Apr 2020 #150
Yes, but social media could have done that, or Hortensis Apr 2020 #154
Good points, she is in a suddenly weakened position. brush Apr 2020 #155
I'd actually forgotten her advancement of the rape claim Hortensis Apr 2020 #157
Not at all.. that's just your opinion. Cha Apr 2020 #103
Agreed, the insults and condescension are unwelcome. Mike Niendorff Apr 2020 #104
AOC brought up the rape allegation as if there was truth to it and there is not...thus Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #132
No. AOCs recent statements tell us a Nancy slap was necessary and deserved. Squinch Apr 2020 #116
No AOC's endorsement is from the same interview that others are mischaracterizing. pnwmom Apr 2020 #148
Condescending slop. Not helpful. Magoo48 Apr 2020 #63
I disagree... agingdem Apr 2020 #78
+1 progressoid Apr 2020 #87
You guys sound so old and tired when you act that way Sucha NastyWoman Apr 2020 #69
I'm 58 and I agree. TheBlackAdder Apr 2020 #98
Nancy certainly has her hands full, doesn't she? So many things to juggle... NurseJackie Apr 2020 #70
That's why she should be POTUS Nacht Owl Apr 2020 #86
Assuming facts not in evidence. RhodeIslandOne Apr 2020 #77
Ya think? DFW Apr 2020 #26
not really. This is pretty similar to what she's been saying all along. She's always said she would fishwax Apr 2020 #29
+1 Celerity Apr 2020 #101
+1 Kaleva Apr 2020 #110
+1 Cetacea Apr 2020 #140
She gave credibility to reid's allegations the day before she endorsed Biden. Somebody sure changed. brush Apr 2020 #151
If anyone could do it, it's Speaker Pelosi. Aristus Apr 2020 #30
There was a poll a while back that was really interesting womanofthehills Apr 2020 #138
or she got a call on her O-phone. ucrdem Apr 2020 #33
Doubt it. Bernie Sanders probably spoke to her. Caliman73 Apr 2020 #38
Condescending Magoo48 Apr 2020 #62
Nah, she's been saying this since SC, in one form or another relayerbob Apr 2020 #68
"You got to know when to hold em MoonRiver Apr 2020 #93
...or she is the same intelligent, independent thinking young woman she's been all along Fiendish Thingy Apr 2020 #72
Well SheltieLover Apr 2020 #74
I don't consider what she did/said to be "throwing Joe under the bus" Fiendish Thingy Apr 2020 #83
We all know young women of color aren't capable Mariana Apr 2020 #96
Get the full story. brush Apr 2020 #152
Because it's has had to be done more than once. MrsCoffee Apr 2020 #113
Wonder if there would be comments about congressmen being spanked if they were dudes? jcgoldie Apr 2020 #92
The phrase usually used with men is "taken to the woodshed", which means the same thing. brush Apr 2020 #156
There's no change in her view. Only the headlines are different. Kaleva Apr 2020 #107
Exactly. n/t pnwmom Apr 2020 #146
No. This is what AOC said in the EXACT SAME INTERVIEW some people were mischaracterizing pnwmom Apr 2020 #145
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! theaocp Apr 2020 #3
She would have been primaried and probably lost if she didnt endorse Biden. honest.abe Apr 2020 #12
She's still got MCC as a challenger! theaocp Apr 2020 #13
You need a timeout. honest.abe Apr 2020 #14
Your condescension is noted. theaocp Apr 2020 #15
exactly... agingdem Apr 2020 #81
Yes, its simply about winning back the WH and Biden is the one to do it now. honest.abe Apr 2020 #95
I'm still sending money to her Democratic primary opponent. HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #32
Her primary opponent is a libertarian/Republican posing as a Dem democrattotheend Apr 2020 #80
Your opinion is duly noted. HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #82
As is yours. /nt tonedevil Apr 2020 #105
MCC is against SS and Medicare womanofthehills Apr 2020 #141
How much you gonna send... just got stimulus money I'll match it... jcgoldie Apr 2020 #94
$2400 HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #99
I'm with you Dem2 Apr 2020 #59
She has four challengers, one of whom is very credible and appealing, a leader.... George II Apr 2020 #130
+1 jorgevlorgan Apr 2020 #162
I'm confused. Didn't she just say she wasn't sure she'd endorse? Drunken Irishman Apr 2020 #4
As They Say, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #7
I am so glad AOC came to her senses. riversedge Apr 2020 #24
No, I don't think she said that fishwax Apr 2020 #35
basically she said , if we are going to listen to a women, we have to always listen questionseverything Apr 2020 #100
Didn't she say "we'll see" when asked about endorsing Biden, and she was in talks with his campaign? brush Apr 2020 #153
Better Late Than Never, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #5
Same day as Senator Warren Voltaire2 Apr 2020 #18
Apples And Oranges, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #23
she's said all along that she would support the nominee, and said so specifically about Biden even fishwax Apr 2020 #47
Believe It Or Not, Sir, I Am Capable Of Following Press Reports, And Reaching My Own Conclusions The Magistrate Apr 2020 #52
i'm just describing a situation, not making any particular accusation towards you fishwax Apr 2020 #75
One Which I View A Bit Differently Than You, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #76
I agree that we agree ... my reason for pressing the issue is fishwax Apr 2020 #84
Is there an expiry date on that endorsement? grantcart Apr 2020 #60
I See No Reason To Think So, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #61
Damn, you posted this a minute before I did. comradebillyboy Apr 2020 #6
I love the smell of unity in the morning comradebillyboy Apr 2020 #9
Good one empedocles Apr 2020 #16
One of my favorite all time movie scenes. honest.abe Apr 2020 #19
Excellent! honest.abe Apr 2020 #10
She must have been feeling the heat breathing down on her. Historic NY Apr 2020 #11
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm . . . . empedocles Apr 2020 #17
Good to hear mvd Apr 2020 #20
I was hoping.......... MyOwnPeace Apr 2020 #65
Ahhh...you left out the part where she gave credibility to repug talking point... brush Apr 2020 #21
Where did I do that? Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #25
Try this. Madame Speaker apparently spoke to her after these foolish remarks. brush Apr 2020 #27
Not in the article I posted Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #34
Did you read the link I included for you? brush Apr 2020 #37
And none of that was mentioned in the article Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #40
No kidding. demmiblue Apr 2020 #43
+1. JudyM Apr 2020 #85
Just wanted to keep you up to speed on AOC's quick reversal on endorsing Biden. brush Apr 2020 #45
Can't find anything about Pelosi talking to AOC about Biden on the internet. rgbecker Apr 2020 #139
You Neglected To Put In Your Own Denuciation Of The Act, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #28
I posted an article Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #36
If You Look Again, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #39
Doesn't seem so. Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #42
Though It Is Rather Like Explaining A Joke, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #48
Don't need you to explain anything Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #51
Wear It In Good Health, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #53
Yeah sure Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #58
I don't know how good your German is DFW Apr 2020 #122
About All I Can Recall, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #124
Let's put it this way DFW Apr 2020 #128
You Have Stripped My Last Illusions Of Learning From Me, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #129
The greater lingustic achievement DFW Apr 2020 #131
No, he didn't. nt. Mariana Apr 2020 #97
great news! nt Celerity Apr 2020 #22
atta girl ucrdem Apr 2020 #31
Please, and I mean this most sincerely, no, No, a thousand times NO to Whoopi. GoneOffShore Apr 2020 #44
Good. nt crickets Apr 2020 #41
Thank you AOC...you're right we need to stand united to get the orange turd out of the White House. iluvtennis Apr 2020 #46
Guess she doesn't want to go back to tending bar... Wounded Bear Apr 2020 #49
Sonofagun. Welcome aboard. I hope she's wearing asbestos underwear. nolabear Apr 2020 #50
Of course she did. demmiblue Apr 2020 #54
No.. Not "of course she did'.. not after what she said about Cha Apr 2020 #102
Thank you. Your turn Ilhan Omar. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #56
I don't think....... MyOwnPeace Apr 2020 #71
JPR was already throwing BERNIE under the bus today; can't imagine how they'll handle this. brooklynite Apr 2020 #57
Those guys are hilarious. Squinch Apr 2020 #117
about time llashram Apr 2020 #66
This ain't rocket science...duh ashredux Apr 2020 #67
She quickly figured out her survival was at stake la-trucker Apr 2020 #79
I am glad to hear this. Sapient Donkey Apr 2020 #88
I love that we're all coming together! budkin Apr 2020 #89
thisbis the exact same interview from the article saying she says otherwise. jorgevlorgan Apr 2020 #90
Not sure what you are talking about. honest.abe Apr 2020 #108
Here is what she is quoted as saying in both articles Kaleva Apr 2020 #109
Tuesday night on "The Wing" she gave credance to the Tara Reade nonsense. honest.abe Apr 2020 #112
Here is what she also said in the Hill article Kaleva Apr 2020 #114
The main issue is what she said about the Tara Reade allegations. honest.abe Apr 2020 #115
The main issue is whether or not she endorsed Biden Kaleva Apr 2020 #127
That was an issue but not the main issue to me. honest.abe Apr 2020 #134
We are arguing two different things. Kaleva Apr 2020 #136
Ok got it. honest.abe Apr 2020 #143
My bad. Arguing was a very poor choice of words. Kaleva Apr 2020 #158
the title: Ocasio-Cortez on Biden endorsement: 'We'll see' jorgevlorgan Apr 2020 #144
Click bait headline. Kaleva Apr 2020 #159
click bait headline made everybody think she said something jorgevlorgan Apr 2020 #160
+1 Kaleva Apr 2020 #161
LOL!! peggysue2 Apr 2020 #91
Kick RandiFan1290 Apr 2020 #106
naughty naughty Celerity Apr 2020 #111
Well, AOC is a very smart young politician. She knows the stakes are high and dividing the party UCmeNdc Apr 2020 #118
Mediaite is the only source reporting an endorsement Armando Joe Apr 2020 #119
New York Post good enough for you? Maeve Apr 2020 #120
They had to ask her a question Armando Joe Apr 2020 #121
Ah, you want a FORMAL announcement...I see Maeve Apr 2020 #123
Some of us put form before function. marble falls Apr 2020 #125
Kinda makes me wonder why she put her hat in the ring for his VP if she doesn't endorse him. marble falls Apr 2020 #126
She can't be VP ...too young, and I know some here love her but she will never be president... Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #133
There is no specific age limit set for VP, and there is no terms limit for a VP. ... marble falls Apr 2020 #135
What's the point of being VP if you are not old enough to be president if needed? HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #137
You're asking the wrong person. Maybe it was an over sight. Maybe it doesn't make sense .... marble falls Apr 2020 #142
She has to be ready to serve should the need arise. An endorsement will do...Give her time in the Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #163

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
73. Yes, but she'd just floated some very different balloons,
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 03:27 PM
Apr 2020

full of insinuation about Biden/Democratic dishonesty about intentions. She chose a really bad time to try to distract attention to her demoralizing attacks on us -- from Senator Sanders' and President Obama's endorsements and the major shift in alignment to unity.

She was clearly trying to draw some of Sanders' to hostiles and to insert herself on the national scene among the big players, and this retrench to safety suggests to me that the responses weren't exactly what she hoped for.

Nancy of course has her number and, as she's said, she's almost never surprised. She would have anticipated something of this sort from Ocasio, who has to worry about losing a lot of dissident steam, but I'm not as sure as others that Nancy felt a need to do anything, rather than just let them fail.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
147. No, this was from the EXACT SAME INTERVIEW. But this headline writer
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 04:51 PM
Apr 2020

unlike some others, correctly focused on the bottom line. AOC has endorsed Biden.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
149. Pnwmom, illiberal, anti-Democratic dissidents NORMALLY use
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 05:26 PM
Apr 2020

statements acceptable to Democrats as delivery systems for subversive themes.

Remember, she belonged to and was assisted by a subversive anti-Democratic group when she almost accidentally got elected by 5% who voted in a majority Democratic (not dissident!) district. And then in a sign of our weird times, her dissident creds caught fire with a lot of young people who've spent their entire lives marinating in anti-Democratic propaganda and she suddenly became a national figure.

And liked it. Of course.

Of course she wanted to keep both her rather spectacular leap in socioeconomic status as a congressman AND the national political following her dissidence drew.

The major realignment of Sanders with Biden to defeat Trump and rescue our nation didn't include her, though it could have.

But INSTEAD she chose to try to draw Sanders' angry, left-behind dissident followers by feeding their antagonism to Democrats AND officially endorse Biden in order to stay acceptable enough to get reelected back home.

Get it? Talking out both sides of her mouth, and both sides untrustworthy. It may be understandable, but it's far from admirable. She needs to choose a side or get a lot better at deceiving her DEMOCRATIC constituents. They're not kids.

brush

(53,776 posts)
150. If Madame Speaker didn't speak directly to AOC a signal was sent to her because the very next day,..
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 05:32 PM
Apr 2020

after giving credibility to tara reid's rape insinuations, AOC came out with a full-throated endorsement of Biden. Something sure influenced that abrupt turn around.

It's tiring watching a neophyte with little know-how continually trying to play with the big girls and boys.

She actually thought she was on such a level that she could bargain with the Democratic Party's presidential nominee for her endorsement—a one-term rep.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
154. Yes, but social media could have done that, or
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 05:59 PM
Apr 2020

she might have learned that some group she counted on the support of disapproved. Biden's campaign may have sent her a message. Or maybe one of the subversive groups she dances with is looking for some new male leader to support, not her. Who knows. She's out of her league and bad news could have come from almost any direction.

After all, she's a freshman Democrat, not exactly Ms. Slick at manipulating opposing groups or Ms. Master at playing with the big guys, which is what she's trying to do. The big realignment of power occurred without her, and with Sanders' coattail twitched out from under her she's suddenly very weak and in real danger of fading almost as fast as she came.

She has to decide what she wants, and for her sake that had better be what's possible.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
157. I'd actually forgotten her advancement of the rape claim
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 06:27 PM
Apr 2020

among the rest. Now I'm thinking it's more likely than otherwise that house leaders, and perhaps others, did feel a need to send her a message. It's way, way, way over the line, and no one's got her back.

Mike Niendorff

(3,461 posts)
104. Agreed, the insults and condescension are unwelcome.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 07:00 PM
Apr 2020

If that's what you came to post to this thread, you're in the wrong place. Start your fights somewhere else.


MDN

Demsrule86

(68,563 posts)
132. AOC brought up the rape allegation as if there was truth to it and there is not...thus
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:14 AM
Apr 2020

she brought it on herself...she should ask for Biden's endorsement...in her district the well funded candidate who is too righty for me is a real threat. This is a working class district and hubs grew up there and folks he knows don't care for AOC; she has two primary opponents so that may save her, but if one drops out ...look out. She has a battle on her hands

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
116. No. AOCs recent statements tell us a Nancy slap was necessary and deserved.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 08:13 AM
Apr 2020

People who don't want to be condescended to should not act like dopes.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
148. No AOC's endorsement is from the same interview that others are mischaracterizing.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 04:53 PM
Apr 2020

While she has some policy differences, she clearly endorsed Biden in that interview. There weren't multiple interviews -- there were multiple headline writers.

agingdem

(7,849 posts)
78. I disagree...
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 03:48 PM
Apr 2020

my 22 year old granddaughter was for Bernie until she wasn't...she cheered when AOC was elected but stopped cheering a long time ago...she learned to separate what's doable and what's wish upon a star...crawl before you can walk...listen before you can speak...I was young and full of myself and I knew everything... and then came Nixon and Reagan and Bush 1 and Bush 2 and Trump..

 

Nacht Owl

(66 posts)
86. That's why she should be POTUS
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 04:05 PM
Apr 2020

She'd be Lyndon Baines Johnson: The Sequel, kicking ass, bending arms, or BREAKING them if necessary!

DFW

(54,372 posts)
26. Ya think?
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:19 PM
Apr 2020

I'll bet it was more than a minor slap, too. Good thing that AOC is wise enough to have gotten the message! It's not enough to be a good politician. You have to be a politician AND good.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
29. not really. This is pretty similar to what she's been saying all along. She's always said she would
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:21 PM
Apr 2020

support the nominee.

Celerity

(43,349 posts)
101. +1
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 06:44 PM
Apr 2020

of course that true narrative does not fire up the ex post facto outrage Wurlitzers bound and determined to get a parting bovver boot in on a bogeyman of choice

brush

(53,776 posts)
151. She gave credibility to reid's allegations the day before she endorsed Biden. Somebody sure changed.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 05:39 PM
Apr 2020

her mind. My guess it was Madame Speaker.

Aristus

(66,330 posts)
30. If anyone could do it, it's Speaker Pelosi.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:21 PM
Apr 2020

She is everything AO-C aspires to be, so I think that was a job well-done.

womanofthehills

(8,703 posts)
138. There was a poll a while back that was really interesting
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 02:55 PM
Apr 2020

AOC had greater name recognition than Nancy Pelosi.

Caliman73

(11,736 posts)
38. Doubt it. Bernie Sanders probably spoke to her.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:28 PM
Apr 2020

While I think that AOC respects and would listen to Nancy Pelosi, one I doubt Pelosi would "spank" AOC, two Bernie Sanders is most likely the person who reached out to AOC and advised her to endorse Biden for the sake of victory in November.

I am not sure why "spanking" would need to be involved.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
68. Nah, she's been saying this since SC, in one form or another
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 03:23 PM
Apr 2020

Whether you like her style or not, she is one VERY intelligent person, and she is likely going to be on the scene for a very long time to come. It will not be because she makes mistakes like backing the obviously wrong horse, and she'll accomplish far more because she seems to know when to push and when to back off - and yes, she's done both, and is learning fast.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
93. "You got to know when to hold em
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 04:36 PM
Apr 2020

know when to fold em; know when to walk away, know when to 🏃 “

Fiendish Thingy

(15,606 posts)
72. ...or she is the same intelligent, independent thinking young woman she's been all along
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 03:24 PM
Apr 2020

Why deny her agency and independence, assuming the only reason she endorsed Biden was because “Nancy spanked her hard”, when there is no evidence of this?

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
74. Well
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 03:29 PM
Apr 2020

Common sense after AOC reportedly yhrew Joe under the bus as reported earlier today on DU. I don't hsve link, but I'm sure you can find it you care to look.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,606 posts)
83. I don't consider what she did/said to be "throwing Joe under the bus"
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 03:58 PM
Apr 2020

Her comments were completely consistent with her position that women should be heard. She did not accept the accusation as fact, and said nothing about Biden (the reporter is the one who made the disparaging remarks about Joe in the phrasing of the questions).

Mariana

(14,856 posts)
96. We all know young women of color aren't capable
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 05:07 PM
Apr 2020

of making their own decisions, without some older white person giving them orders.

Needless to say,

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
113. Because it's has had to be done more than once.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 07:51 AM
Apr 2020

Sorry, but AOC is green as hell. I’m sure Nancy has taught her a lot. She runs a very tight ship.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
92. Wonder if there would be comments about congressmen being spanked if they were dudes?
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 04:33 PM
Apr 2020

For some reason I don't recall that here or elsewhere.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
145. No. This is what AOC said in the EXACT SAME INTERVIEW some people were mischaracterizing
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 04:49 PM
Apr 2020

as a non-endorsement.

theaocp

(4,237 posts)
3. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 01:41 PM
Apr 2020

Oh, the GNASHING OF TEETH I read not two hours ago!! Quick! Send FUCKING MONEY to her CONSERVATIVE CHALLENGER ARGLBLARGH!!!1! Unfuckingreal.

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
12. She would have been primaried and probably lost if she didnt endorse Biden.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 01:56 PM
Apr 2020

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! back to you.

theaocp

(4,237 posts)
13. She's still got MCC as a challenger!
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 01:59 PM
Apr 2020

Quick! Send some money to her! Operators are standing by! LMAO

agingdem

(7,849 posts)
81. exactly...
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 03:55 PM
Apr 2020

my 22 year old granddaughter asked me if Biden is the best we've got...I said he's the best for this time...this election is getting Trump and his malignancy out of the White House and out of Washington...and AOC can't afford to stand firm on principle...not now

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
95. Yes, its simply about winning back the WH and Biden is the one to do it now.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 04:59 PM
Apr 2020

Once we gain back the WH and perhaps the Senate, then we can start making strides for more progressive agendas.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
80. Her primary opponent is a libertarian/Republican posing as a Dem
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 03:52 PM
Apr 2020

Not someone any real Dem should want in a solidly Democratic seat.

womanofthehills

(8,703 posts)
141. MCC is against SS and Medicare
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 03:10 PM
Apr 2020

MCC wants health savings accounts. She has a lot in common with Trump - in her book she wrote about getting rid of many departments like education and labor. Her favorite president is - get this - Reagan.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
59. I'm with you
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 03:01 PM
Apr 2020

I trashed that idiotic thread. Why do people make such irrational/snap judgement comments about one statement an otherwise shrewd politician makes?

George II

(67,782 posts)
130. She has four challengers, one of whom is very credible and appealing, a leader....
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 09:48 AM
Apr 2020

...in her own community in which she's lived most of her life. Another has lived in the district his entire life, too.

I don't think Cabrera stands much chance.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
7. As They Say, Sir
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 01:43 PM
Apr 2020

"Twenty-four hours is an eternity in politics."

Good that the young lady came to her senses....


"Defeat of a hated enemy is something to be for."

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
35. No, I don't think she said that
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:27 PM
Apr 2020

she said that she had always said all along that she would support the nominee, and once it was clear that Biden was the nominee she reiterated that. In the New York Times article that had everyone all outraged (mostly because of the way it was distorted by other venues like the NY Post, presumably with the intent to undermine democratic unity) she said quite clearly that she "will be supporting the democratic nominee in November" and that "Beating Donald Trump is a matter of life or death for our communities."

questionseverything

(9,654 posts)
100. basically she said , if we are going to listen to a women, we have to always listen
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 06:39 PM
Apr 2020

not just when we hate the accused

I think that is the correct thinking

does it mean every woman is credible? no but to listen and access is the correct thing to do

I do not find Biden's accuser credible but that is after I listened and examined the available evidence for myself

biden has apologized for old behavior that made some woman uncomfortable, that aoc mentioned that is nothing to lose du's collective mind over

sometimes some of the peops on this board scare me with their good guy/bad guy thinking

brush

(53,776 posts)
153. Didn't she say "we'll see" when asked about endorsing Biden, and she was in talks with his campaign?
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 05:48 PM
Apr 2020

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
23. Apples And Oranges, Sir
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:14 PM
Apr 2020

No one ever questioned whether or not Sen. Warren's supporters would be behind Mr. Biden, or imagined that she would attempt disruption or urge her followers not to support the Party's nominee. For the record, Sen. Warren was my preferred candidate, and you may have observed my solid support for Mr. Biden.

Rep. Ocasio-Cortez has postured as a leader of a faction which loudly proclaims it may not support Mr. Biden to this day, and recently went so far as to speak in a manner that could be taken as lending credence to scurrilous charges against Mr. Biden. So this is a significant change of front on her part, and in my view a welcome one. I think she is a person of great potential, who I am happy to see in our Party.


"Defeat of a hated enemy is something to be for."

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
47. she's said all along that she would support the nominee, and said so specifically about Biden even
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:44 PM
Apr 2020

before today. This isn't really a change in her position at all. It's just a change in a specific manner of reporting on her position.

Here's the thing: there are certain people who want to sow disunity among democrats.

One tactic they use is to target people on the left with the idea (and they aren't wrong about this) that there is a non-negligible number of misguided (feel free to substitute stronger adjectives if you wish) voters who can be dissuaded from voting for the democratic nominee.

Another tactic that they use is to attack various politicians who are generally seen as leaders of the left (people like Sanders, AOC, Omar, etc.). The goal with this form of attack is not to actually discredit those leaders among the left, but rather to invite/encourage people closer to the center to attack those leaders. Why would someone who wants to spread disunity among democrats do that? Well, because they know full well that when people in the mainstream attack people like AOC, it increases the chances that a few more of that non-negligible number of misguided voters that they're hoping will stay home will actually stay home.

So how does this work in action? Well, yesterday an interview comes out with AOC in the New York Times. The interviewer starts out by asking if she and Biden have spoken, and AOC says no. Other press reports this as a "demand" that Biden reach out to her specifically or as a "complaint" that Biden hasn't called her. Even though it isn't any such thing. But since most people these days don't actually get their news about interviews from the original interview, the distorted perception finds its way to places like DU and has exactly the desired effect: well-meaning and deeply-caring committed democrats outraged at AOC and lobbing accusations and recriminations and what have you. In the same interview, she says unequivocally that she will support the nominee in November and that victory over Trump is a matter of life or death for minority and underprivileged communities. All the same as this interview. But it's framed differently, and the frame matters a great deal.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
52. Believe It Or Not, Sir, I Am Capable Of Following Press Reports, And Reaching My Own Conclusions
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:52 PM
Apr 2020

Political language is often a form of waffle-speak, and it was within Rep. Ocasio-Cortez' power to make clear her views so unequivocally that coverage could not distort them. That she has not done until today.

Bear in mind, I have frequently expressed support for her, and am glad to be able to continue to do so.

Best not to find a fight just for the hell of it....


"Defeat of a hated enemy is something to be for."

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
75. i'm just describing a situation, not making any particular accusation towards you
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 03:43 PM
Apr 2020


On edit: also, I don't really agree that it is within her power to not be distorted. The things that she said in the view interview quoted in this OP are pretty much identical to the things she said in the interview that had everyone outraged.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
76. One Which I View A Bit Differently Than You, Sir
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 03:46 PM
Apr 2020

But as I suspect we are both pretty much on the same side, I see no point to pressing what disagreements we may have. I do at times get a bit more waspish than is necessary. I seldom really regret it of course, because I enjoy it, but still....

Be well, and stay safe!


"Defeat of a hated enemy is something to be for."

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
84. I agree that we agree ... my reason for pressing the issue is
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 04:02 PM
Apr 2020

not to press disagreements, but rather because the situation itself is dangerous. There are, I have no doubt, outside agents seeking to mess with our elections again, and I don't want them to be successful.

So when I see people making baseless attacks at the nominee or the party, I think it's a good idea to resist that, because I know that there are some misguided (etc.) voters out there who could be dissuaded from voting for him. And, similarly, when I see the second tactic (attacking leaders of the left) I think that's worth pointing out as well.

Not because I think anybody is doing it out of malice or even ignorance. I think people just get swept up in the fight and in certain anxieties, and that it winds up being detrimental to the process and to our chances in that process, as it was in 2016.

I don't doubt at all that we're on the same side--in fact, if I'm not mistaken you go back (as do I) to the very beginning of DU--or at least pretty close … so we've been on the same side for a long time.

You stay safe, too, Magistrate! We're all in this together and I'm confident we'll all sweep Joe to victory with plenty of down ballot support to boot!

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
60. Is there an expiry date on that endorsement?
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 03:04 PM
Apr 2020

Hope it has a longer shelf life than the milk I just bought.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
61. I See No Reason To Think So, Sir
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 03:08 PM
Apr 2020

The young woman is not a fool. She could not have to where she is, from where she started, if she were. It is good to have some young firebrands in the Congressional ranks, and some mature into stalwart warriors.


"Defeat of a hated enemy is something to be for."

MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
65. I was hoping..........
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 03:14 PM
Apr 2020

she would do the right thing. And you are correct - that is good to hear.
I believe she has tremendous potential in the party - after all, if THAT many RepubliCons go after her so hard and fast, she MUST be doing something right!
Hopefully, experience, maturity, and mentoring/guidance will help mold her into an outstanding Democratic leader.

brush

(53,776 posts)
21. Ahhh...you left out the part where she gave credibility to repug talking point...
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:11 PM
Apr 2020

and previously debunked allegation by Tara Reid that Biden raped her.

Isn't that what you just did?

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
40. And none of that was mentioned in the article
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:29 PM
Apr 2020

I posted. So please don’t falsely accuse me of trying to cover something up.

brush

(53,776 posts)
45. Just wanted to keep you up to speed on AOC's quick reversal on endorsing Biden.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:36 PM
Apr 2020

Last edited Wed Apr 15, 2020, 03:22 PM - Edit history (1)

Madame Speaker must have gotten across to her the right messaging—endorse our nominee immediately and stop giving credibility to repug talking points.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
28. You Neglected To Put In Your Own Denuciation Of The Act, Sir
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:21 PM
Apr 2020

That rates to some as covering up, if not endorsing her comments....

Some folks get a bit carried away in prolonged disputation.

Her unfortunate remarks are best forgotten and forgiven, in my view. Calling further attention to them even by condemnation, is hardly helpful.


"Defeat of a hated enemy is something to be for."

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
42. Doesn't seem so.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:31 PM
Apr 2020

Since the only honest defense is that it was never mentioned in the article that I posted.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
48. Though It Is Rather Like Explaining A Joke, Sir
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:45 PM
Apr 2020

I will lay it out just this once.

You were attacked after posting something favorable to Rep. Ocasio-Cortez. You expressed some puzzlement as to why this happened.

I took the trouble to explain the likely view and intent of the person attacking you, and suggested he was being, shall we say, a little over-enthusiastic in pressing something there is no need to press. I even chided him a little for doing so, by expressing my own view that he was taking a course that was not helpful to union of all factions of our Democratic Party.

If this does not get through to you, I am at a loss, and must try and remember to pause before acting on any stray impulse to be helpful which might cross my mind in future, there seeming to be on occasion no percentage in it....

Be well, and stay safe!


"I'm going home now. Someone get me some frogs and some bourbon."


 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
51. Don't need you to explain anything
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:49 PM
Apr 2020

I posted an article and was unfairly attacking for covering up something that wasn’t mentioned in the article and instead of defending me to the person who attacked me you decided to join in. Now you’re trying to backtrack.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
53. Wear It In Good Health, Sir
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:53 PM
Apr 2020

Should I ever attack you, no one will be in any doubt I have done so, and it will look quite different from any of my comments above....

DFW

(54,372 posts)
122. I don't know how good your German is
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 08:50 AM
Apr 2020

We have a word here: "streitsüchtig." I'm sure it will have a few approximate definitions somewhere.

There is no exact equivalent in English, but I think you will find more than one case of "the shoe fitting."
There is no known cure, as far as I know.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
124. About All I Can Recall, Sir
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 09:05 AM
Apr 2020

Is 'Ich deurchfallen zwei jahr Gymnasium", and don't even know that's right for 'I failed two years in high school'. I actually managed passing grades, but the fact is none of it took. In my freshman class we had to be instructed collectively for several weeks in English grammar before we could proceed sensibly. Do still remember the teacher, though --- can still see her in reverie, and recall her name clearly....

German does seem to have a number of appropriate terms, and I appreciate your gift of this one. Sometimes people get so eager to fight they cannot see anything but occasion to do so.



"Defeat of a hated enemy is something to be for."

DFW

(54,372 posts)
128. Let's put it this way
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 09:28 AM
Apr 2020

In the future, let me in on the English first so I don't get confused

Due to the nature of my work (when there is no virus chopping off the legs of my mobility, that is), I am in a different country every day, and would lose too much time if I had to request my colleagues to speak English, so I don't. When I explain that I speak nine languages, it is not to claim vast intellectual prowess, but rather to explain how I can get things done with my work schedule. If you can converse with your colleagues in their own languages while pursuing a hectic schedule, you get to lop off cumbersome minutes of every appointment by not needing translation. Living as I do in a country that borders on almost ten others (depending on whether or not one condisers a Baltic ferry route a border), I'd have to be arrogant, stupid, or some combination of the two if I didn't make an effort to learn the languages of the countries that border us, as well as those of major countries nearby. Being married to a German, and speaking German with her at home, of course, does weight the priorities somewhat.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
129. You Have Stripped My Last Illusions Of Learning From Me, Sir
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 09:37 AM
Apr 2020

There is nothing left but memories of Miss Sandow....

Your modesty regarding your linguistic achievement, Sir, does you great credit.


Be well, and stay safe!

DFW

(54,372 posts)
131. The greater lingustic achievement
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:03 AM
Apr 2020

That would be us raising our two daughters to be 100% bilingual and bi-cultural. It took an iron-willed effort to speak English to them from day one, paticularly in the first years they could speak, as I would speak to them in English (which they understood perfectly), while they would reply in German, their first language. The fact that my wife and I speak German with each other didn't help. But finally, they started replying in English, especially when they realized that people they cared to converse with, such as my parents and siblings, understood no German. The great payoff came gradually, but now, when they speak English, no one thinks they are anything but American, and when they speak German, no one here thinks they are anything but German. Both, of course, are correct.

As for me, as I said, convenience was the great motivator. Not to say I haven't enjoyed my moments of amusement. I was once introduced to a new employee at a hotel in Brussels that I stay in frequently. I was introduced by a French-speaking employee, and told that the incoming assistant manager was from Sweden. She complimented me on my French, but figured I knew no Swedish at all. I said, no problem, please hold up the palm of your hand and place it one centimeter from my own upheld palm, and close your eyes for thirty seconds. Being the polite Scandinavian, she did as I requested, assuming I was playing some kind of joke on her. After about 30 seconds, I said, OK, I think I have absorbed enough. Enough WHAT? I said, Swedish, of course. She said, yeah, sure. I said that I wouldn't joke about something so easily disproved, and that she could now switch to Swedish if she wished. So she switched to Swedish, and I continued to converse with her in Swedish without missing a beat. After picking her jaw up from the floor where it had dropped, she asked how I had developed such an incredible technique for instant language learning? I said I invented it out of necessity. She was rendered speechless by my "technique."

Finally, I admitted that I had studied Swedish for years in college and visited Sweden regularly. I had little choice, as the rest of the hotel staff, who knew all along that I spoke Swedish, was having difficulty keeping a straight face (as was I).

GoneOffShore

(17,339 posts)
44. Please, and I mean this most sincerely, no, No, a thousand times NO to Whoopi.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:34 PM
Apr 2020

Neither President nor Vice President are entry level positions.

We've had 'entry level' VP's before - think Dan Quayle. Not good, no.

nolabear

(41,960 posts)
50. Sonofagun. Welcome aboard. I hope she's wearing asbestos underwear.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:48 PM
Apr 2020

She’s open to attacks from all over. Me? I’d welcome DJTJr if he’d help get that monster out of the WH.

Softly and tenderly, Jesus is calling...😏

demmiblue

(36,846 posts)
54. Of course she did.
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 02:55 PM
Apr 2020


Also, trashing thread due to the drama of it all. DU sometimes feels like middle school... ironically funny given DU's average age.
 

la-trucker

(283 posts)
79. She quickly figured out her survival was at stake
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 03:50 PM
Apr 2020

although her support for Tara Reade makes this appear hollow and opportunistic. He mouthing about Tara Reade's fake allegation will have legs.

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
108. Not sure what you are talking about.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 07:16 AM
Apr 2020

The controversial interview was the one Tuesday night with "The Wing". This interview was Wed morning with "The View".

She changed her tone completely overnight. Good for her and good for the Democratic nominee Joe Biden who is going to win big in November.

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
109. Here is what she is quoted as saying in both articles
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 07:38 AM
Apr 2020

"Her remarks went beyond having a “conversation” about endorsing Biden, though, as AOC went on to say “I think it’s really important that we rally behind our Democratic nominee in November,” and argued explicitly against voting third party."

https://www.mediaite.com/news/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-endorses-joe-biden-absolutely-must-rally-behind-our-democratic-nominee/

" “Right now, the stakes are just so high when it comes to another four years of Trump," she added. "I think it’s really important that we rally around the Democratic nominee in November."."

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/492912-ocasio-cortez-on-biden-endorsement-well-see

I fail to see a difference.

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
112. Tuesday night on "The Wing" she gave credance to the Tara Reade nonsense.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 07:46 AM
Apr 2020
Ocasio-Cortez responded, "What you're voicing is so legitimate and real. That's why I find this kind of silencing of all dissent to be a form of gaslighting."

She went on to say, "I think it's legitimate to talk about these things. And if we want, if we again want to have integrity, you can't say, you know — both believe women, support all of this, until it inconveniences you, until it inconveniences us."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-joe-biden-its-legitimate-to-talk-about-allegations/

Wed morning on "The View" she said nothing about that.. she focused on endorsing Biden. Appeared to be a complete change of tone.

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
114. Here is what she also said in the Hill article
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 07:58 AM
Apr 2020

"And I know that there may be a lot of folks that are uncomfortable with that, but as a person that represents an intensely vulnerable community, a community where this choice can very much mean the difference between life and death or being separated from their children or not, I think it’s for me personally very important to be in solidarity with my family, with the families that I represent in supporting Joe Biden November.""

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/492912-ocasio-cortez-on-biden-endorsement-well-see

In post #108, you had responded to a poster who said there isn't any difference between the Hill article and the Mediate article other then the headlines

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
115. The main issue is what she said about the Tara Reade allegations.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 08:03 AM
Apr 2020

That is what was significantly different from Tuesday night to Wed morning.

I know this is a bit confusing as there are multiple articles citing multiple interviews but its clear to me she came to her senses Wed morning and dropped all the comments about the Tara Reade allegations and just focused on endorsing Biden.

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
127. The main issue is whether or not she endorsed Biden
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 09:24 AM
Apr 2020

Here's the headlines of the two OPs:

"AOC Endorses Joe Biden: 'Absolutely' Must 'Rally Behind Our Democratic Nominee'"

https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13290931

"Ocasio-Cortez on Biden endorsement: 'We'll see'"

https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13289932

honest.abe

(8,678 posts)
134. That was an issue but not the main issue to me.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 11:47 AM
Apr 2020

The article and interview I was referring to was from Tuesday.

"Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: "It's legitimate to talk about" allegations against Joe Biden"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-joe-biden-its-legitimate-to-talk-about-allegations/

Its fine if you think otherwise. Im just explaining what I was talking about.

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
136. We are arguing two different things.
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 02:35 PM
Apr 2020

It happens.

you were arguing what you thought was important and I was arguing about what the OPs were saying.

jorgevlorgan

(8,291 posts)
160. click bait headline made everybody think she said something
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 12:48 PM
Apr 2020

She didn't. Hence the " that was fast" comments above. People thought she changed her mind based on the hills headline posted a couple hours prior to this one.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
91. LOL!!
Wed Apr 15, 2020, 04:29 PM
Apr 2020

Well, that was a quick turn around. I suspect 'someone' read AOC the Riot Act, as in get onboard now or be forever abandoned.

This election year is not the time to confuse purity with winning. Because all our efforts need to be focused on defeating Trump and his enablers by the biggest margin possible.

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
118. Well, AOC is a very smart young politician. She knows the stakes are high and dividing the party
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 08:25 AM
Apr 2020

will not help to solve the problems within the United States.

 

Armando Joe

(11 posts)
119. Mediaite is the only source reporting an endorsement
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 08:27 AM
Apr 2020

Nothing in the NYT, WAPo, CNN, etc.
Are you sure she endorsed him?

 

Armando Joe

(11 posts)
121. They had to ask her a question
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 08:43 AM
Apr 2020

For her to issue an "absolutely" one worder that wasn't part of a formal announcement.

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
123. Ah, you want a FORMAL announcement...I see
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 09:00 AM
Apr 2020

From the above article:

AOC, who endorsed Sanders last fall, went on to speak out against voters going with a third-party candidate if Biden isn’t their ideal pick.

“I think what’s really important is that we do realize that, at the end of the day, one of these two candidates are going to be elected president of the United States. It’s either going to be Joe Biden or it’s going to be Donald Trump,” the Democratic socialist told the show co-hosts.

“I think it’s important to communicate some empathy. I know for a lot of people this was not the outcome that they may have wanted, and this was not the choice that they wanted to make. But ultimately, when it comes to those two, I don’t think it’s particularly close in terms of what communities will be made more vulnerable,” she continued.

Demsrule86

(68,563 posts)
133. She can't be VP ...too young, and I know some here love her but she will never be president...
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 10:30 AM
Apr 2020

Her appeal is mostly in really blue districts and states and she can't put together a winning coalition for a national election. She won't win a senate seat in New York or win the Governorship in New York either. New York is not a super liberal state. And when I heard she is considering a run against Schumer, I laughed out loud. Assuming she wins the election this year, she needs to to tend to her district and work her way up in the house. She could possibly win a Mayoral election in New York City...but even that would be tough, and she needs more experience. Any candidate that put her on presidential ticket would drive up GOP opposition, fail to garner moderates in the suburbs and lose the election. I go back and forth. At times I admire her. At other times I don't...we shall see what happens this year.

marble falls

(57,081 posts)
135. There is no specific age limit set for VP, and there is no terms limit for a VP. ...
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 12:02 PM
Apr 2020

but saying there was, throwing her hat in the ring certainly implies an endorsement.

I think it's wrong-minded and politically suicidal to challenge Chuck Schumer. And totally unnecessary. That said, once she gets into the swig of what's possible and what's not, AOL will be an amazing leader in our future. I think she's got a great future and I hope to live long enough to see it. She's still in the making part of being a leader.

My general rule is: no more candidates of my demographic. But I have no problem with Joe Biden. Not one bit. I hope he operates under my general rule when choosing his running mate and he drops the danged back rubs and smooches.

 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
137. What's the point of being VP if you are not old enough to be president if needed?
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 02:49 PM
Apr 2020

While there may or may not be a rule (I question that) from a practical standpoint it would make zero sense to pick someone who was not old enough to be president on day 1. So rule or not, there is a defacto age requirement for VP in practice.

marble falls

(57,081 posts)
142. You're asking the wrong person. Maybe it was an over sight. Maybe it doesn't make sense ....
Thu Apr 16, 2020, 03:43 PM
Apr 2020

but there it is. So far it hasn't proven a problem, at least one that the SCOTUS or Congress couldn't clear up.

Demsrule86

(68,563 posts)
163. She has to be ready to serve should the need arise. An endorsement will do...Give her time in the
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 04:16 PM
Apr 2020

House. She need experience and has to moderate her views somewhat and abandon the Justice Democrats in order move forward in New York State. which she must do in order to succeed. She is very talented no doubt.

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