OMG! Florida has a checkpoint at their border to stop people from coming in the

[mfcorey1]

state. Damn drumpf governor. Will they stop him from coming from DC to Florida?


https://www.wavy.com/video/florida-law-enforcement-checkpoints-at-alabama-florida-border/4437355/

[samnsara]

1. ahhhh but remember where mar a lago is ;)

[underpants]

2. Well... I mean...it IS Al Abama

[beachbumbob]

3. to be expected and I really don;t have a problem with this happening where needed

[zackymilly]

5. I don't have a problem with it either.

I am experiencing some symptoms, and there's no way I would travel anywhere and possibly infect others with whatever I have.

[beachbumbob]

17. there are lots of people infected but have no symptoms and still can infect others as well

[Hugin]

22. Like it or not it violates the enumerated powers of Congress in the US Constitution...

"The Commerce Clause describes an enumerated power listed in the United States Constitution (Article I, Section 8, Clause 3). The clause states that the United States Congress shall have power 'to regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes.' Courts and commentators have tended to discuss each of these three areas of commerce as a separate power granted to Congress. It is common to see the individual components of the Commerce Clause referred to under specific terms: the Foreign Commerce Clause, the Interstate Commerce Clause, and the Indian Commerce Clause."

This singular issue is the reason for the Constitutional Convention of 1789.

"The Commerce Clause emerged as the Framers' response to the central problem giving rise to the Constitution itself: the absence of any federal commerce power under the Articles of Confederation. For the first century of our history, the primary use of the Clause was to preclude the kind of discriminatory state legislation that had once been permissible. Then, in response to rapid industrial development and an increasingly interdependent national economy, Congress 'ushered in a new era of federal regulation under the commerce power,' beginning with the enactment of the Interstate Commerce Act in 1887 and the Sherman Antitrust Act in 1890."

So, setting up checkpoints between the States is highly un-Constitutional and if it's done it should be up to the US Congress and not at the discretion of the individual States.

So, unless the Constitution is suspended. Which I suppose Trump could attempt since he doesn't pay any attention to it, anyway. Or, if the US Congress deems it necessary, it better not be happening.

Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause

[Laelth]

31. It's a good thing that Congress didn't erect this barrier.

Apparently, the State of Florida did. To the extent that they have erected a barrier to commerce between the states, one might be able to successfully sue them for it in the Supreme Court, but, otherwise, I doubt that there’s much that anybody can do about it.

-Laelth

[jimfields33]

41. I still think we should shut down state borders for a month

NYC who has the most of all doesn’t want it. I think it’s not a good idea to not close border temporarily. Of course this is the city where a city council person said go out and enjoy yourself in the middle of the pandemic. Ugh.

[Hugin]

56. Then Congress would have to approve it and the checkpoints would have to be operated with Federal...

authorities.

Unless the State authorities are delegated the power to act as Deputies.

I'm not saying I'm against it. All I'm saying is how such a thing would have to be handled in accordance with the US Constitution.

[jimfields33]

58. I agree with proper channels being used.

[KYBlue]

63. what if people work in a different state than where they live?

How would that work for workers like that? My husband works in a hospital in another state than he lives.

[jimfields33]

64. For the incredible small amount this involves, maybe some sort of registration and permit

[karynnj]

66. There are cities in NJ and CT where the number of residents working in NYC is high.

Likewise Northwestern Indiana - where many work in Chiucago.

[jimfields33]

67. Well deal with them with permits. It's easy!

Saving lives should be priority.

[obamanut2012]

60. I have no comment

Since I had my second ever hidden post this past week stating the fact that the huge majority of cases down here are from snowbirds and tourists.

DeSantis sucks, and it's not a coincidence that the only counties he shut down are those that voted against him, but I also have no problem with the checkpoints here and at the SOFL airports.

[MontanaMama]

4. More to the point...

Will they stop infected people from leaving Florida?

[SheltieLover]

8. Of course not!

Isn't this unconstitutional? Slippery slope.

Asshole repukes should have thought of this BEFORE spring break! I know...but the almighty $$$. 🤬

Just another way to point the finger elsewhere, as govt there clearly does't demonstrate concern by issuing shelter in place order.

[drmeow]

55. My thoughts exactly nt

[gibraltar72]

6. He's telling people the dirty people from elsewhere

mainly New York and lately Louisiana are bringing it. Classic Trump shift the blame.

[zackymilly]

7. Everyone should stay where the hell they are to keep it from spreading any further.

I have some of the symptoms and I'm staying at home. Can't get a test because I don't have enough of the symptoms and I'm not rich enough to buy one somewhere.

[gibraltar72]

13. I agree my point is he wouldn't shut state down.

he started telling people down there that somebody else brought it which is bull shit. The state is a damn Petri dish. He made fun of mayors that tried to do something.

[Ilsa]

9. There's an easy fix to not give them the satisfaction.

Get off I10 at Mobile, go north on I65 until well over the state line. Exit and take a FTM road south. Re-enter I10 at Pensacola.

[jberryhill]

33. Yeah, it's kind of goofy

[2naSalit]

51. Like "running the scales".

In trucking, back in the day, sometimes we would "run around" a scalehouse at the port of entry by doing what you described. Back in the day, you could go from CA to NY without ever being weighed in the way you described.

[safeinOhio]

10. I think that would have to be resolved by the Court as

according to the Constitution....

"The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the Fifth Amendment." "The right to travel, to go from place to place as the means of transportation permit, is a natural right subject to the rights of others and to reasonable regulation under law.

[dumbcat]

35. Where do you find that in the Constitution?

The word "travel" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution.

So, .... not according to the Constitution.

But, I think you are right that it would have to be resolved by the Court as a states rights issue.

[safeinOhio]

38. The Constitution according to SC disison

117-130. (a) The right to travel is a part of the "liberty" of which a citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the Fifth Amendment.

Kent v. Dulles | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute

[dumbcat]

59. So, actually, it's an interpretation

by the SC, not actually "in the Constitution" as you originally stated.

OK, I'll accept it anyway. for now.

[USALiberal]

11. There has to be 100s of ways to bypass that. nt

[Squinch]

12. Headline: "Dumbass attempts to close barn door while waving goodbye to escaping horses."

The virus is already all over Florida because Dumbass didn't close down until long after it spread. This is an asshole move that will do no good.

[gab13by13]

14. Florida better be careful,

they only tested 75,000 people. Other states may be closing their borders to Floridians soon.
4 days ago Florida let people congregate on the beaches.

I think Florida should stop people who want to leave Mar-a-Lago and The Villages.

[dem4decades]

15. Can we stop the tax money from blue states from going to the red states too? I'm sick of those

welfare states not pulling their own weight. So okay, we'll stay away and keep our fuking money.

[Generic Brad]

19. Please stop with the divisiveness

This antagonism against people who live in red states is sickening and unwarranted. Personally, I'm sick of these non-stop attacks on Southerners that is prevalent on DU.

[dem4decades]

34. This is a story about a Southern Governor being an asshole. He's not the only one.

[Generic Brad]

48. Whether you realize it or not, your comment was incredibly divisive

I understand passions are running high and I have no intention of mixing it up with you. But if you had, for instance, said something similar about New York, the Western U.S. or any other city, state or region it would have been inappropriate and hurtful to the people who live there. Southern bashing has become sport on DU this week, but for those of us living here the horrible decisions being made by politicians is a life and death matter. We've been abandoned by our leaders and it hurts even more to be attacked by fellow Democrats as if we are at fault.

So if you want to attack a particular politician down here, fire away. They deserve it. I am just respectfully requesting you choose your words carefully so you do not include the majority of people living here when you do so. Not all Southerners are evangelical Republicans.

[crickets]

65. Thank you.

[3Hotdogs]

16. Are they checking the airports?

Are travelers being prohibited from entering the state?

[Sedona]

18. Are they checking the 1350 miles of coastline?

[stillcool]

20. who would be going to Florida now?

if you have a house down there, I guess I could see it....but not really. Wouldn't you already be there?

[Fla_Democrat]

21. Rhode Island will knock on doors and stop cars to find New Yorkers to slow the spread of coronavirus

Rhode Island will knock on doors and stop cars to find New Yorkers to slow the spread of coronavirus

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/27/us/rhode-island-tracking-down-new-yorkers/index.html

(CNN) - Rhode Island's governor said Friday that law enforcement officers will stop cars and knock on doors in coastal communities to identify people who've been to New York state, joining other states in restricting the movements of out-of-state visitors to slow the spread of coronavirus.

<break>

"Right now, we have a pinpointed risk that we need to address, and we need to be very serious and that risk is called New York City," said Rhode Island Gov. Gina Raimondo at a news conference Friday.

Starting Saturday, Rhode Island law enforcement officers and the National Guard will be "going door-to-door" in coastal communities, asking people if they've been to New York and requesting their contact information, she said.

Police began monitoring highways at noon Friday and may pull over individuals with New York state license plates to ask the same questions, particularly on the base of the Newport Bridge, Raimondo said.

<end>

But, I guess since Florida has a R as a governor, it's Florida that's a piece of shit state. Yep, good ol Florida, standard whipping boi.

Que someone to post the .gif of Bugs Bunny sawing the state off and letting it float away... damn florida.

[Jake Stern]

25. Funny how that works

When the (D) guv of Rhode Island has the police stopping all cars with NY plates and literally sent the National freaking Guard to hunt New Yorkers down like fugitives, there were DUers singing her praises.

When the (R) guv of Florida sets up a check point at the state line DUers lose their shit.

[Marrah_Goodman]

44. Oh FFS, the state police and national guard are not "hunting them down like fugitives"

They are taking contact information and knocking on doors randomly to do spot checks to make sure the people are following the rules.

I am one of those people singing her praises. Gina Raimondo has done a great job as Governor and is doing a great job during this pandemic.

[Marrah_Goodman]

42. I live in Rhode Island and it no longer just New York.

The new rule is that anyone traveling from out of state for non-work related reasons must quarantine for 14 day when entering the state. It is no longer just New York.

I am currently staying in Mass with my boyfriend for the duration of this. If I were to go home now I would have to quarantine for 14 days. I have ZERO problems with that because I am part of a community that I love and care about.

[GusBob]

45. By my count

By my count there have been 4 “Florida is fucked “
Posts on DU

Like people are just itching for it to happen

They seem to be ignoring the fact that per capita Florida is better off than many other states

And this OP is inaccurate as well. They are not stopping people from entering they are telling them to quarantine

I hate it when folks post inaccurate shit on DU and everyone come around to toss salad

Happened yesterday with that tweet ( on DU if its a tweet its true) about mandatory face masks

[Chainfire]

23. DeSantis is just posturing

This is all smoke and mirrors. He has set up "check points" on a couple of the hundreds of highways entering Florida from the North and West. He is not checking on all of the major roads. The only thing he is going to accomplish is pissing off a lot of people from the states he has decided to insult. This old boy tries to emulate and support Trump at every move, including delaying a responsible and effective means of controlling the virus. He is a little smoother than Trump, but just as dumb and evil, and it is obvious that he has visions of a future in the White House.

Florida had a big opportunity to reduce the spread of the virus weeks ago, and DeSantis chose to support the tourist industry rather than the health of the people. Now, he needs to do something, even if it is wrong, to show that he is being tough on the virus. He has been, since the start of the problem, reacting to crisis, two to three weeks late, rather than getting ahead of the problem. It is almost as if he wants to see Florida slammed. Maybe another case of Munchhausen by governor, when it gets really terrible, he can come flying in to be a great hero. Sound familiar?

I live seven miles from Georgia. I need to get out of the house and go for a drive to see how effective his quarantine is.....

[roamer65]

57. I bet there are quite a few small roads that cross into FL from GA.

[Chainfire]

69. As promised above

My wife and I were somewhat stir crazy, so we went for a Sunday drive. I crossed and recrossed the Fl./Ga. lines in three places about 10 miles apart. I drove about 70 miles, and never saw a cop...period. I guess that DeSantis thinks New Yorkers don't have GPS and can only enter the state on I-95, and New Orleans sufferers can only enter on I-10.

I think we can safely call the DeSantis policy a HOAX, crap, posturing and pure unadulterated male bovine fecal matter.

Feel good press releases to show that he is a leader and is on top of things, and nothing else. Perhaps with strong, positive leadership, we will forget the Spring Break debacle.

[Demovictory9]

24. when this is all over, let's never visit Florida again

[Fla_Democrat]

43. Stellar idea

-_-

[Demovictory9]

53. lol. sorry

[Fla_Democrat]

54. No worries

Cabin fever, I guess. Some days I am just grumpy.

[Baclava]

26. Put up a sign at the borders "Sorry folks, Florida's closed, Moose out front should've told ya"

[Mendocino]

68. Has your dad killed anybody?

Oh just a dog... and my Aunt Edna.

[former9thward]

27. Why would you allow people with the virus to come in and infect others?

They should not be traveling anyway. There is nothing wrong with this. This is exactly how S. Korea got it under control.

[TheBlackAdder]

30. Because GOPers and Libertarians are self-affecting and don't care about others, mainly their wants.

[former9thward]

39. What does that have to do with anything?

People who are sick should not be traveling to other states. Period. States have the right to do what they can do to minimize that risk.

[TheBlackAdder]

47. People should not be traveling, but they don't give a fuck because that's how they are wired.

Sure, states should be able to do what they need to do. But they should also stop people from leaving the state too.

Why would they stop people coming in, to infect their state, but allow people to leave to infect others?

[avebury]

28. Wasn't there some temperature tracking program that is indicating

that Florida is on the verge of a massive virus breakout? I would not be surprised because they allowed a lot of their beached open during spring break and you also have all those theme parks.

[TheBlackAdder]

29. He's making the play it's others infecting his state. He should lock in people too, so it festers.

[VOX]

32. George Zimmerman got a job?

That walking piece of shit? Wonder how his bullshit lawsuit seeking more than $100 million in damages from Trayvon Martin’s family is going?

Zimmy’s got attorney Larry Klayman in his corner, the same RW asshole who founded Judicial Watch, and who filed a hate-motivated "birther" lawsuit.

[jmg257]

36. Makes sense - stay the fuck home, people. Idiot let that spring break shit go on and on.

and let the virus spread OUT of FLA.

Cuomo was asking for a national quarantine 2 weeks ago, now he is freaking out when trump mentions it.

VERY confused.

[GusBob]

37. We have police checkpoints here since Tues

I live on an Indian Reservation. The tribal council set up road blocks with tribal police stopping cars
They screen folks for out of state travel. You are only allowed to leave the Agency once a day.
Since I am a non native one cop was suspicious, but most of the tribe knows who I am

There is also a curfew

I have no problem with either

[Marrah_Goodman]

40. They are not stopping them from coming in.

They are ordering them to quarantine for 14 days if they still decide to come into the state.

Executive Order 20-86, directing all persons who enter the State of Florida from an area with substantial community spread, to include the State of Louisiana, inclusive of those entering the State of Florida by roadways, to isolate or quarantine for a period of 14 days from the time of entry into the State of Florida or the duration of the person’s presence in the State of Florida, whichever is shorter.

[Hotler]

46. Florida, Americas scrotum. Patton Oswalt

[A HERETIC I AM]

49. The footage in your link is of a permanent truck weigh station at mile marker 2 on I-10

Just west of Pensacola.

And it is clear in the footage that trucks are still using the PrePass system (they are passing the station at speed, on the highway) and they are also crossing the static scale on the north side of the scale house.

The lanes shown where the cars are crossing are on the south side of the scale house, the left hand side is the #2 static scale and the other lane is a bypass lane.

So...even though I guess you could say this is a "checkpoint", it doesn't seem too intrusive and it is for the greater public health.

Frankly, I expect to see more of this nationwide.

And FWIW, MOST of the highways entering Florida have at least an agricultural check station, if not a weigh station also, so for those that think this is easy to get around, yeah, it probably is. For now.

[mfcorey1]

50. Thanks for the info!

[Sunsky]

52. In that case

Where's the Alabama checkpoint to stop Floridians from entering?
If anyone should be prevented from interstate travel it is us Floridians who are still relaxing on beaches and contributing to the spread. We have only conducted 41,769 test to date. My county (Broward) has over 1.9 million residents. The state has an estimated 21 million residents. Yet DeSantis wants to issue out his personal stash of hydroxylchloroquine, not lock down the state (some beaches are still opened) and blame NY

[PubliusEnigma]

61. "But what if you had driven all that way and Florida was closed?" - Clark Griswald

[NPS-Retired]

62. We have a constitution for a reason!!!

First I am not a lawyer but I am a retired Federal Officer of 30 years so I do have a fair understanding of the law. ANY state or local government can not suspend the constitution so these road blocks or vehicle stops without reasonable suspicion that a law has been violated are unconstitutional. It is also for me a frightening reminder that any government can be tyrannical when they act out of fear or bigotry. This is why we need strong sane federal leadership in these times! But we don’t! All states have the virus and it will spread slow or fast it is inevitable we just have to deal with it as it comes. Oh and stay home! That is definitely the best practice and we would not have to have this kind of conversation!