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kentuck

(111,106 posts)
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 07:14 AM Mar 2020

The President of the United States is very sick!

In the most pure, clinical sense, he is "sick".

One need not be a doctor or psychologist to see it. One only needs the courage to admit it.

Yes, for his supporters, he is a strong, charismatic leader. But, for the rest of America, he is not "normal". No normal person would behave the way that he does or say the things that he says. Especially during a crisis that challenges our country and threatens all of our lives.

A normal President would not seek to divide or to ask favors from Governors before he would agree to send life-saving equipment to their states. The lies and deception and the vulgarity of his inhumanity is not the sign of a healthy mind.

Sometimes it seems impossible to accept the truth. But we are at that point. It is not about Democrats or Republicans - it is about Americans. It is about our country and whether or not we can save it.

It is about whether our leaders can muster the courage to face the self-evident truth that the President of the United States is a very sick person. He is not capable of leading us in this crisis.

The experts have known he was sick from Day One and many have written about it. They defined his malevolent narcissism and all his destructive traits.

However, it was always a political problem. Everything was weighed in political terms. We now see his illness in the starkest of perspectives. But, what can they do about it? The indecisiveness and lack of action by our elected leaders is going to cost our country a great, great price.

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The President of the United States is very sick! (Original Post) kentuck Mar 2020 OP
I'm sure that after hearing about this..... MyOwnPeace Mar 2020 #1
But that does not change the fact. kentuck Mar 2020 #2
Correct! MyOwnPeace Mar 2020 #3
But circumstances have changed since then... kentuck Mar 2020 #4
I totally agree with you Kentuck, gab13by13 Mar 2020 #7
Everything you say is true, but... Girard442 Mar 2020 #5
It is a cult. kentuck Mar 2020 #6
I fail to see Scarsdale Mar 2020 #19
Most cult leaders are not considered "normal" by the general society. kentuck Mar 2020 #21
no charisma llashram Mar 2020 #43
His bigotry is his charisma. John Fante Mar 2020 #51
"Cult" is far more accurate than "base." imblue Mar 2020 #20
You're wondering how this could happen? FakeNoose Mar 2020 #9
How could so many people fall for his con job Kaiserguy Mar 2020 #18
You have just about nailed it Darwin2019 Mar 2020 #28
Interesting last sentence... OldBaldy1701E Mar 2020 #8
One lesson I have learned in life. kentuck Mar 2020 #11
Indeed, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #23
Are we tired of the Whining yet? underpants Mar 2020 #10
CNN True Blue American Mar 2020 #15
I agree. DeWine has stood out. underpants Mar 2020 #26
Mike is on local news every day with True Blue American Mar 2020 #33
Three standards with Trump underpants Mar 2020 #38
K&R smirkymonkey Mar 2020 #12
YES!!!!! We need a massive campaign for his resignation! McKim Mar 2020 #16
Yes George III was a much better person 47of74 Mar 2020 #30
Certainly those around him were finally more honest about the problem; maddiemom Mar 2020 #37
What worries me is... duforsure Mar 2020 #13
Hadn't thought about that ... Chili Pepper Mar 2020 #31
He is not sick, just an arrogant asshole. nt USALiberal Mar 2020 #14
Trump is a combination, he has always been a sick, narcisstic True Blue American Mar 2020 #17
I wish that was true Boomer Mar 2020 #36
Someday an attorney will try to use Trump health as a legal excuse. gordianot Mar 2020 #22
The Question That Nags At Me, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #24
At the minimum, it is a serious character flaw. kentuck Mar 2020 #25
I Agree, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #29
Hitler had a built in patsy. True Blue American Mar 2020 #34
Magistrate, Sir, it's been too long for me hearing Boomerproud Mar 2020 #42
Your second point is quite interesting, Sir. kentuck Mar 2020 #45
Regarding His Followers, Sir, Some Combination Of Both Seems Likely The Magistrate Mar 2020 #46
"susceptible to his narcissistic bluster" kentuck Mar 2020 #48
They're too weak to admit they were wrong about him, maybe. ginnyinWI Mar 2020 #27
Quite Likely, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #47
If they cannot it to others...? kentuck Mar 2020 #49
Stunted emotional and intellectual development is indicated... lastlib Mar 2020 #32
I am listening to Nancy right now as she lays out how much more is to be done and the harm True Blue American Mar 2020 #35
He is physically sick too Soxfan58 Mar 2020 #39
Agree Joinfortmill Mar 2020 #41
And every day he gets worse. Joinfortmill Mar 2020 #40
The orange rump has always been sick. warmfeet Mar 2020 #44
Andy McCabe KNEW that, and tried to do something about it! 25th amendment "something". BComplex Mar 2020 #50
He & his cult are clinically ill SheltieLover Mar 2020 #52
as someone w diagnostic authority in my state i share your concern nt usregimechange Mar 2020 #53

MyOwnPeace

(16,936 posts)
1. I'm sure that after hearing about this.....
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 07:19 AM
Mar 2020

Senator Collins will "share her concern............" - and Moscow Mitch McTurtle will walk down the marbled halls of the Capitol Building with that smarmy smile that tells us all that we've been screwed yet again.

MyOwnPeace

(16,936 posts)
3. Correct!
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 07:23 AM
Mar 2020

It is something that SO many knew long before that long ride down the escalator 3+ years ago - and we're still getting the same reactions about how to deal with him.

kentuck

(111,106 posts)
4. But circumstances have changed since then...
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 07:25 AM
Mar 2020

If your boat turns over in the middle of the river, you can swim or you can drown.

Girard442

(6,082 posts)
5. Everything you say is true, but...
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 07:27 AM
Mar 2020

...his dysfunctions evoke a strong positive response from a big chunk of the population. We used to think that Hitler's rise to power was fueled by Germany's crushing defeat in WWI, the punitive terms of the Treaty of Versailles, rampant European antisemitism, and utter economic collapse. We assumed that in the absence of things like that, no one like Hitler could ever appeal to any significant number of people.

We were wrong. Any country that ever hopes to maintain its democracy will have to come to a deeper understanding of what has befallen America. I'm still struggling to comprehend how so many people I once thought were decent and rational came to support him.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
19. I fail to see
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 08:22 AM
Mar 2020

the "charismatic" part. He acts like a buffoon. Needs to be the center of attention all the time. He is dumb, with his orange makeup and bouffant hairdo. He THINKS he is manly, but he is too childish for that. He constantly demands respect, yet has no idea how to earn it. When anyone points out the truth about him, he explodes like a spoiled child. President Obama made being president look easy, so tRump expected no work whatsoever. Appear before adoring crowds, call people nicknames, swear, act as though you are a GOD. T.V. appearances at the drop of a hat (after hair and makeup of course) Easy, and HE is a STAR. What a total, unmitigated disaster of a person he is. Now it is costing lives. Reality is hitting him hard, and he can not lie himself out of this mess.

kentuck

(111,106 posts)
21. Most cult leaders are not considered "normal" by the general society.
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 08:35 AM
Mar 2020

He can do no wrong with his followers.

FakeNoose

(32,703 posts)
9. You're wondering how this could happen?
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 08:04 AM
Mar 2020

These people only watch Faux News and nothing else. They only listen to Rush Limbaugh hate radio and nothing else. They only get Trump's racist/hateful message and nothing else.



Kaiserguy

(740 posts)
18. How could so many people fall for his con job
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 08:19 AM
Mar 2020

Years of RW talk radio, Fox and RW propaganda in the print media played a big role in it. People got fed one lie after another until they could no longer separate fact from lies. They all ready had a mind set that made them easy prey for it. Racisms and Hate played a big part as did their feeling that everyone was giving them the shaft. Instead of taking personal reasonability they found it much easier to blame other people. When Trump came along they found a man who would hurt the others and they loved it. What is sad is liberal gave them all the thing that are good in America and yet they hate us for it, go figure. The rich of course hate us because we cost them money and so they build a vast RW group of think tanks to sow disinformation which went unchallenged for far to long. The end result is the burn it all down mentality that they now have.

Darwin2019

(217 posts)
28. You have just about nailed it
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 08:52 AM
Mar 2020

Read John Dean's book CONSERVATIVES WITHOUT CONSCIENCE This book out lines studies that examine what went wrong in Nazi Germany.Turns out 25% of humans are subject to falling for a strong man (Authoritarian)

OldBaldy1701E

(5,144 posts)
8. Interesting last sentence...
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 08:04 AM
Mar 2020

I would say that the indecisiveness and lack of action by US is going to cost our country a great, great price. And, the cost has already passed the 'returnable' moment, it is now time to accept that we are in the 'do something or sink with the ship' moment. And, yet, I see no actions taken beyond the same ones that put us here in the first place. He is still there. After what happened in 2016, are you lot really going to hope that the same corrupt system is going to change anything?

The Magistrate

(95,248 posts)
23. Indeed, Sir
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 08:36 AM
Mar 2020

No more dangerous string of words in the English language than 'How could it get any worse?"



"It's always darkest just before it goes completely black."

underpants

(182,858 posts)
10. Are we tired of the Whining yet?
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 08:05 AM
Mar 2020

They knew he was sick from the staged escalator thing. Even Fox tried to put him away.

True Blue American

(17,988 posts)
15. CNN
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 08:16 AM
Mar 2020

Just showed DeWine contradicting Trump declaring we have everything we need at the Ship speech. No, we need more masks, supplies and ventilators.

DeWine is actually showing the leadership Trump has failed to do. And I post this as one who never backed DeWine but he is handling this with flying colors.

underpants

(182,858 posts)
26. I agree. DeWine has stood out.
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 08:43 AM
Mar 2020

His ban on indoor sports events read first as high school basketball and wrestling. Then it became apparent that it applied to the "First Four" NCAA Tournament games in Dayton and others that would be played in Cleveland.

That set the ball rolling if you will. In short order the NCAA said no spectators, then the NBA just cancelled the season (that was a shocker), then the NCAA cancelled March Madness, then one by one every other sport had to shut down. Soccer games in Europe had already been shut down.

I may have the timeline a bit messed up but that's what happened. For sports fans the NBA decision was when it hit how big this was.

True Blue American

(17,988 posts)
33. Mike is on local news every day with
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 08:59 AM
Mar 2020

Doctors, etc., answering questions. He is really good at reassuring people and explains. Yesterday he talked about 2 machines that sterilize masks. They need FDA approval. He asked them to act quickly.

Meanwhile here is another Trump failure. VA Hospitals.

https://www.nationalmemo.com/trump-fails-to-mobilize-va-hospital-resources-for-covid-19-emergency/?utm_source=postup&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=403

underpants

(182,858 posts)
38. Three standards with Trump
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 09:24 AM
Mar 2020

He thinks he is the solution. That he just knows more than anyone else.
He hates doing anything that seems like spending money.
His short attention span moves him from one thing to the next (banks at one point controlled 95% of his properties). Management and foresight are irrelevant, he's already conquered that time to move on.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
16. YES!!!!! We need a massive campaign for his resignation!
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 08:18 AM
Mar 2020

Yes, we need a massive campaign for his resignation. The news media and the country are acting like battered wives. This is an historic battle against the forces of evil. This man is way worse than old King George!!!!We need a new Enlightenment!!!!!

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
37. Certainly those around him were finally more honest about the problem;
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 09:22 AM
Mar 2020

DESPITE having none of the supposed safeguards for the king as we have concerning the POTUS. Could we at least have a "regent," if not a revolution? (just NOT a son or son-in-law).

Chili Pepper

(102 posts)
31. Hadn't thought about that ...
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 08:57 AM
Mar 2020

... but that’s an interesting question. Nothing would surprise me about this moron.

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
36. I wish that was true
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 09:19 AM
Mar 2020

Arrogant assholes have the ability to change their behavior, whereas Trump does not. He's locked in his own narcissistic behavior patterns and he's immune to sane, rational thought.

Above all else, Trump needs adulation to prop up his desperate self-delusion of superiority. He's emotionally incapable of recognizing facts that don't fit that belief. A narcissist twists reality to continue that self-deception.

We've put an incompetent mad man in charge, and he's going to dig deeper into his delusions as the situation around him grows more desperate.

gordianot

(15,242 posts)
22. Someday an attorney will try to use Trump health as a legal excuse.
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 08:35 AM
Mar 2020

I just want to see limp into court after he is fired on a walker given it is Trump expect a ride in a wheel chair.

kentuck

(111,106 posts)
25. At the minimum, it is a serious character flaw.
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 08:43 AM
Mar 2020

I'm sure, Sir, that many looked at Hitler in a similar way. Somehow, they are unable to look beyond the rhetoric and the words that make them feel better.

The Magistrate

(95,248 posts)
29. I Agree, Sir
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 08:52 AM
Mar 2020

I do not use words like 'Hitlerian' lightly, and when I do, have precise meanings in mind.

Trump resembles Hitler in two ways.

First, he pitches his appeal to the basest elements of his followers' natures. What attracts his 'maga' cult to him is that he enables them to feel good about things they they have always been ashamed of, and knew they ought to be ashamed of from the higher culture around them.

Second, he believes reality is subject to human will, that if he insists something is true with sufficient force, it will be true. He shapes policy and action to what he believes to be true, not what is true.

True Blue American

(17,988 posts)
34. Hitler had a built in patsy.
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 09:08 AM
Mar 2020

The German people were desperate. They had no jobs, were hungry.

Those who follow Trump do not even have that excuse but they do have the trait of blaming others for their misfortunes.

Boomerproud

(7,961 posts)
42. Magistrate, Sir, it's been too long for me hearing
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 09:45 AM
Mar 2020

from you. I thank you for posting in these insane times.

kentuck

(111,106 posts)
45. Your second point is quite interesting, Sir.
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 12:33 PM
Mar 2020

I would bet that one of his favorite books is 'The Power of Positive Thinking'.

But, as you say, "He shapes policy and action to what he believes to be true, not what is true".

His power of persuasion over his followers is so strong that many accept what he says as reality, perhaps because they don't know the actual facts or just because they want to believe?

The Magistrate

(95,248 posts)
46. Regarding His Followers, Sir, Some Combination Of Both Seems Likely
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 12:45 PM
Mar 2020

Many of them share his ignorance and lack of curiosity. They have no desire to know, and often prize this as a positive quality. Such people are certainly easier to deceive; they have no sound standard to measure against what they are told to believe, or want to believe. They see Trump as themselves writ large, and this identification with the creature renders them even more susceptible to his narcissistic bluster. He says what they think, and lives as they would like to live. Taking up the red hat is practically a sacramental partaking of his body and blood, making him a part of them, and them a part of him.

lastlib

(23,263 posts)
32. Stunted emotional and intellectual development is indicated...
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 08:57 AM
Mar 2020

by bullying, name-calling, and attempted verbal or physical intimidation, along with projection of personal inferiority onto those who are perceived to be a threat to the security of the Individual (1).

True Blue American

(17,988 posts)
35. I am listening to Nancy right now as she lays out how much more is to be done and the harm
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 09:19 AM
Mar 2020

Done by Trump denying and neglect to act!

Soxfan58

(3,479 posts)
39. He is physically sick too
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 09:27 AM
Mar 2020

Congestive heart failure or liver disease to be my first unprofessional choices.

BComplex

(8,059 posts)
50. Andy McCabe KNEW that, and tried to do something about it! 25th amendment "something".
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 01:30 PM
Mar 2020

I only wish he had succeeded.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
52. He & his cult are clinically ill
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 01:51 PM
Mar 2020

Experts have told us, with many examples, that he exhibits Narcissistic Personality Disorder & I think it is apparent that Anti-Social Personality Disorder is at play as well. I encourage everyone to look up & read about these.

Until a few years ago, when the Diagnostic & Statistical Manual 5 (highly controversial!) was literally forced upon the mental health profession, we would diagnose on 5 axes:

1. Presenting symptoms i.e. despression, anxiety, etc.

2. ONLY 2 diagnoses allowed here: mental retardation & personality disorders. This is because these diagnoses are PERMANENT. Personality disorders are so inextricably intertwined with the person from a very early age, that there is just no "fixing" this.

3. Related medical problems- i.e., recent heart surgery can cause depression. Or an injury that causes unemployment, etc.

4. Psychosocial - Wide range: financial, housing, substance abuse/dependence, domestic violence, etc., etc.

5. GAF - global affective functioning score - irrelevant here.

My point in sharing this is that asshole & his followers' aren't likely to shift their egocentric, cruel, horrid perspectives or behaviors anytime soon.

My guess is that most of them, as kids/teens, exhibited oppositional defiant disorder, which, untreareated, develops into conduct disorder - typically whem law enforcement gets involved. Conduct disorder, left unchecked, often manifests later (usually around age 18) as anti-social personality disorder.

They need to be in treatment programs but, other than dialectic behavior therapy for borderline PD, the prognosis is very poor...

In short, they need to be locked up.

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