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turbinetree

(24,701 posts)
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 04:41 PM Mar 2020

The stimulus bill includes a tax break for the 1%

Opinion by Ed McCaffery

Updated 2:45 PM ET, Sat March 28, 2020

We face a frightening pandemic. More than 100,000 American have been infected with Covid-19, while tens of millions more continue to shelter at home. Meanwhile, the markets are crashing.

And yet the more things change, the more they stay the same.

While health care workers and local governments frantically race against the clock to keep up with the escalating medical caseloads while trying to keep themselves and their families safe, Congress was still able to find the time to give money away to rich people.

Thanks to a stunning new report from the New York Times, which has been relentless on the tax beat during the Trump administration, we've learned that a provision has been included in the 880-page coronavirus stimulus bill to help the very wealthy in a way that is breathtaking in its scope and detail.

It is worth taking a minute -- many of us have more of those now in our quarantined states -- to explain.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/28/opinions/stimulus-bill-tax-break-for-1-mccaffery/index.html

This is why I have been harping that they could have given everyone that paid taxes in 2018, 1 million dollars if they made less than a 1 million dollars to pay off mortgages, renter payments, student debut etc....... instead of the BS we are getting from our financial institutions instead of giving tax breaks to those that depreciate a fucking building as loss............................................................JFC

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The stimulus bill includes a tax break for the 1% (Original Post) turbinetree Mar 2020 OP
More of the same SheltieLover Mar 2020 #1
A million dollars? Seriously? stopbush Mar 2020 #2
Maybe I had a bad math teacher turbinetree Mar 2020 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Mar 2020 #11
Well, That's Right ProfessorGAC Mar 2020 #12
Yes. $150-trillion. stopbush Mar 2020 #13
well I had a bad math teacher had to many zero's ...............Thanks turbinetree Mar 2020 #14
So they just get to take the depreciation all in the first year? TheFarseer Mar 2020 #3
Accelerated depreciation has been used for decades -- through Republican and Democratic Admins Hoyt Mar 2020 #4
Yes, but customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #7
That's why I said elect Dems and increase tax rates. Hoyt Mar 2020 #9
I haven't been customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #10
When the most fortunate should be investing via wealth tax. pat_k Mar 2020 #5
Yup. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #6
kick Demovictory9 Mar 2020 #15

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
1. More of the same
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 04:56 PM
Mar 2020

That was my 1st thought about "stimulus"...

Maybe a crumb for most who are retired, disabled, low to middle wage earners, but most going to whores who are perpetuating misery.

Absolutely sickening!

Not to devalue our Dems in Congress fighting tooth & nail for us.

Nothing is ever enough to satiate those sickening repuke domestic terrorists.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
2. A million dollars? Seriously?
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 04:59 PM
Mar 2020

Have you done the math on that one? You’re talking $150,000,000,000,000.

turbinetree

(24,701 posts)
8. Maybe I had a bad math teacher
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 05:57 PM
Mar 2020

$1,000,000.00 x 150,000,000 million people = 150,000,000.00 million dollars




Response to turbinetree (Reply #8)

ProfessorGAC

(65,042 posts)
12. Well, That's Right
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 06:21 PM
Mar 2020

But it's $150 trillion. That's more than 6x than the entire national debt.
Now, that's some real money.

TheFarseer

(9,322 posts)
3. So they just get to take the depreciation all in the first year?
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 05:11 PM
Mar 2020

Or they get more depreciation overall? I’ve read about this in a couple places and I’m still not sure I get it. I’m also confused why you would get to depreciate land.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. Accelerated depreciation has been used for decades -- through Republican and Democratic Admins
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 05:15 PM
Mar 2020

-- to juice the economy. That's essentially what this is. When the property is sold, they'll pay taxes on whatever they wrote off previously.

So elect Democrats in November, increase tax rates and screw them. I'm OK with that.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
7. Yes, but
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 05:52 PM
Mar 2020

When you depreciate real estate, you get deductions against ordinary income. When you recapture that depreciation at the time of a sale, the amount that could be figured had only straight line depreciation is recaptured at capital gains tax rates, which right now top out at 20%.

The basic principle of tax deferral is for me to get a dollar a year for ten years, then after ten years (when I sell the asset) I pay back ten dollars. The advantage is that I've had the use of all those dollars for that decade. But this is getting a dollar a year for ten years, then paying back two dollars.

The limit was put in place to make sure the rich paid more in taxes, removing the limit undoes that.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
9. That's why I said elect Dems and increase tax rates.
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 06:01 PM
Mar 2020

Been decades since I studied taxes and never really worked with them, but seems recaptured depreciation is taxed as ordinary income.

No question that rich get breaks, but the breaks are not as big as people often make it sound. The fact is, the top 20% pay more than 20% of income tax. It should be more, especially after trump’s ill advised tax cuts, for sure.

I do think it’s an absolute crime we don’t have a tougher estate tax system.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
10. I haven't been
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 06:05 PM
Mar 2020

a tax accountant since the 1980's, but there was definitely some form of benefit to recapturing straight line depreciation at that time. I admit, I haven't kept up on the nuances of law changes since that time, especially on things that don't personally matter to me.

However, we agree completely on the solution to the problem!

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
5. When the most fortunate should be investing via wealth tax.
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 05:29 PM
Mar 2020

This is appalling.

The top 10% owns 70% of the assets in this country. We should be demanding that they invest in the health of the nation and our economy in the form of a wealth tax to recoup at least some portion of the massive deficit spending required to weather this crisis. Because they rely on the health of the economy to thrive, it would probably be the best investment they ever made.

Giving tax break to those that owe this country the most is obscene.

So much for "pulling together" with each of us "doing our part." I guess we will never learn, and just keep forcing the bottom 10% to carry the burden of all the "sacrifice.


Absolutely obscene and immoral.

Turin_C3PO

(13,991 posts)
6. Yup.
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 05:35 PM
Mar 2020

It’s like during the Middle Ages, where the peasantry was taxed while the nobility paid nothing. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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