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Sec. of Interior makes land grab, taking away reservation. (Original Post) sinkingfeeling Mar 2020 OP
K & R...for visibility... Wounded Bear Mar 2020 #1
We hardly need a new $1B resort and casino complex now jberryhill Mar 2020 #19
don't they have a casino trump hates? n/t getagrip_already Mar 2020 #2
They want to build another one, and lost a lawsuit jberryhill Mar 2020 #8
Pay wall, can't read it. Cobalt Violet Mar 2020 #21
Try this one jberryhill Mar 2020 #22
There is no bottom The Blue Flower Mar 2020 #3
Not at all. Read about it if you want to wade into complex Hortensis Mar 2020 #12
And all the way down to Jack Abramoff jberryhill Mar 2020 #32
Forgot about him. Yes. A Republican of course. Yuck. nt Hortensis Mar 2020 #35
WTF? Jamastiene Mar 2020 #4
No. You are being lied to by a dishonest OP jberryhill Mar 2020 #7
So we have entered the smash and grab portion of the program. Zoonart Mar 2020 #5
Here's simple summery to read. There are no excitingly innocent Hortensis Mar 2020 #13
Thanks. Zoonart Mar 2020 #16
This is a little out of context jberryhill Mar 2020 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Ilsa Mar 2020 #9
WTF! malaise Mar 2020 #10
No it's not jberryhill Mar 2020 #11
So the OP is inaccurate then malaise Mar 2020 #14
It is out of context jberryhill Mar 2020 #17
One can count on you to clarify matters malaise Mar 2020 #20
"It's about a casino building permit." And if I recall Hortensis Mar 2020 #15
Yep jberryhill Mar 2020 #18
Out of curiosity do you know what percentage of " native blood" the grantcart Mar 2020 #24
No idea jberryhill Mar 2020 #25
Thank you for clarifying this misleading OP, dmr Mar 2020 #34
Shock Doctrine. BlueIdaho Mar 2020 #23
Still breaking treaties, I see. rickyhall Mar 2020 #26
No, but we are still uncritically believing deceptive social media posts jberryhill Mar 2020 #29
No! That is theft. Mersky Mar 2020 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Mersky Mar 2020 #28
It's been a story of corruption all along jberryhill Mar 2020 #31
Fine and okay. I'll delete my second comment on the matter. Mersky Mar 2020 #33
More info on the corrupt tribal leadership here jberryhill Mar 2020 #30
In chaos lies opportunity for crime. Grasswire2 Mar 2020 #36
Jberryhill pointed out nuance in this story Mersky Mar 2020 #37
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
8. They want to build another one, and lost a lawsuit
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 10:26 AM
Mar 2020

They lost an appeal of a court decision in February to build the proposed new casino which this tweet is about.



https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/02/27/business/mashpee-wampanoag-tribe-loses-crucial-appeal-casino-case/

The Mashpee Wampanoag Tribe on Thursday was dealt another major setback in its effort to build a casino in Taunton, losing a federal appeals court case it hoped would remove a crucial barrier to the long-stalled project.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. Not at all. Read about it if you want to wade into complex
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 10:40 AM
Mar 2020

legal issues, various court decisions, casino politics, opportunistic greed, etc. It's been going on for years, though, and it might be a lot more satisfying to go find a man-kicks-puppy tweet to get excited about instead.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
7. No. You are being lied to by a dishonest OP
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 10:24 AM
Mar 2020

From February:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/02/27/business/mashpee-wampanoag-tribe-loses-crucial-appeal-casino-case/

The Mashpee Wampanoag Tribe on Thursday was dealt another major setback in its effort to build a casino in Taunton, losing a federal appeals court case it hoped would remove a crucial barrier to the long-stalled project.

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This litigation has been going on since 2016.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. Here's simple summery to read. There are no excitingly innocent
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 10:46 AM
Mar 2020

good-guy victims and no unconscionable government villains in this complex story that's been playing out in the courts, though.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/02/27/business/mashpee-wampanoag-tribe-loses-crucial-appeal-casino-case/

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
6. This is a little out of context
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 10:22 AM
Mar 2020

The dispute over the casino has been in court for a while.... they lost the appeal last month

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/02/27/business/mashpee-wampanoag-tribe-loses-crucial-appeal-casino-case/

The Mashpee Wampanoag Tribe on Thursday was dealt another major setback in its effort to build a casino in Taunton, losing a federal appeals court case it hoped would remove a crucial barrier to the long-stalled project.

The tribe had asked the US Court of Appeals for the First Circuit to overturn a lower court decision that said the federal government had improperly allowed the Mashpee to hold land in trust. That designation is required in order to build a tribal casino.

But less than a month after a three-judge panel heard oral arguments in the case, the court ruled in favor of a group of nearby residents that has been opposing the casino with the help of a company trying to build a state-licensed casino in nearby Brockton.

Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
11. No it's not
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 10:40 AM
Mar 2020

They have been in court since 2016 over a land claim where their financial backers want to build a casino.

They lost their appeal of the case last month, and the court directed the BIA not to recognize this particular claim.

This isn’t about land that anyone lives on. It’s about a casino building permit.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
17. It is out of context
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 10:56 AM
Mar 2020

The BIA had recognized the land claim in question some years ago, at a location where the tribe wants to build a casino.

The way that these things work is that it is really an outside investor group that wants to build a casino. The tribe is used as a vehicle for that investment, because if they can get the land claim recognized, then they can build a casino in a state where you can't otherwise build them.

In 2016 local residents (and yes, backed by a casino competitor) brought a lawsuit to stop the construction of the casino.

The litigation has been going on since that time.

In February of this year a federal appeals court said that the BIA recognition of this particular land claim was improper.

In a last ditch effort, the tribe attempted an administrative appeal route. Here's another article:

https://www.casino.org/news/mashpee-wampanoag-tribe-appeals-to-president-donald-trump/

The Mashpee Wampanoag Tribe wants to build a $1 billion casino resort called First Light in Taunton.

This is not about people being kicked off of land they live on. This is about building a casino.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. "It's about a casino building permit." And if I recall
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 10:50 AM
Mar 2020

about getting tribal rights extended to the new land they want to put a casino on. The nicest thing about this is the enterprise and big thinking of the wannabe developers. LOT of money at stake.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
18. Yep
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 10:58 AM
Mar 2020

And the tweet is intended to play on "noble savage" heartstrings to garner sympathy for a $1B casino resort project.

This thread demonstrates how effective that cynical strategy that is.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
24. Out of curiosity do you know what percentage of " native blood" the
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 11:35 AM
Mar 2020

Leaders have established to make the initial census?

Hard to have sympathy for a group that has a moratorium on adding to census.

My reading is that the current leaders could have 1/32 native blood and deny membership to someone with 50%

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
25. No idea
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 11:54 AM
Mar 2020

Whatever the rules might be, it is sad that they cynically exploit sympathy for real injustices to generate support for an exploitive and socially undesirable commercial enterprise.

dmr

(28,344 posts)
34. Thank you for clarifying this misleading OP,
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 07:32 PM
Mar 2020

because it did pull on my heartstrings, and sense of injustice.

All of us must be careful how we present the issues. Misinformation is what the right has crafted so well. We are better than that. At least I hope so.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
27. No! That is theft.
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 01:02 PM
Mar 2020

There shouldn’t be any more tRumpian grabs of public wealth. Didn’t he get enough to dole out to his cronies?!!! Is unacceptable at anytime, but especially when travel and court actions against the cartoonishly corrupt/unlawful order is a danger to public health.

tRump is looting the country during this emergency.

Response to sinkingfeeling (Original post)

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
31. It's been a story of corruption all along
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 06:32 PM
Mar 2020

The tribe lost the court case on this last month. The BIA was required to withdraw the status it granted back in 2015 for construction of a $1B casino funded by a Malaysian billionaire.

https://www.casino.org/news/mashpee-wampanoag-tribe-power-struggle-after-failed-casino-bid/

You are being manipulated.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
33. Fine and okay. I'll delete my second comment on the matter.
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 07:13 PM
Mar 2020

I don’t have the patience to go back through the winding mess of how this decision landed today (yes, I have a recollection of the old, preceding scandals). I just despise land rights being revoked - especially, right now.

No, I didn’t rely solely on that tweet - is the chairman’s statement on the tribe’s website that did it for me.

Thanks for clearing up the thread.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
30. More info on the corrupt tribal leadership here
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 06:28 PM
Mar 2020
https://www.casino.org/news/mashpee-wampanoag-tribe-power-struggle-after-failed-casino-bid/

The two leaders are also accused attempting to expel council members who have criticized Cromwell’s handing of finances and his alleged secrecy around casino-related expenditure. In January, Cromwell was temporarily stripped of his financial responsibilities towards the tribe’s affairs after it emerged during his divorce proceedings that he owed $36,901 in unpaid federal taxes.

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This is the outfit that was bankrolling the project and buying off the tribe’s leaders:


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genting_Group

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
37. Jberryhill pointed out nuance in this story
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 10:10 PM
Mar 2020

I deleted my more strident hot take after reviewing the court action timeline, and swirl of controversy .

Now, that said, I do not trust tRump’s interior department, and deserves awareness, imo.

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