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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:29 PM Mar 2020

This is all the "civility" I can manage: someone tell me again why "Doctor" Birx is

entitled to any respect!

I have just listened to her explain the proposal to evaluate EVERY DAMN COUNTY IN EVERY STATE IN THE COUNTRY and designate each either low, medium or high risk for Corona virus with DIFFERENT LEVELS OF "SOCIAL DISTANCING" for each different county! And, this is so "some" of the country can return to work by Easter! What in hell could go wrong? This would be a lengthy and near impossible task for a competent administration and this one is run by a man who can't find his ass with either hand who wants it done before Easter!

And, this is what now passes for intelligence? This is a "respected physician"?

This proposal is nothing more than a transparent fig leaf to cover for Trump's INSANE insistence on "getting back to work" by Easter. Those proposing it are shameless whores and those who defend it are idiots!

Everything---and everyone---Trump touches turns to shit.

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This is all the "civility" I can manage: someone tell me again why "Doctor" Birx is (Original Post) Atticus Mar 2020 OP
COVID-45. roamer65 Mar 2020 #1
😃🤒 scarletlib Mar 2020 #4
EXCELLENT! COVID-45! calimary Mar 2020 #28
that's good!! n/t subana Mar 2020 #113
I just started reading this thread - but IMO you've already won it with 'COVID-45'. Talitha Mar 2020 #43
"Covid-45" !! Thus it is written. Thus it shall be henceforth. FailureToCommunicate Mar 2020 #46
The fucker isn't like a 🦠. roamer65 Mar 2020 #47
I like COVFEFE 19 Hearthrob Mar 2020 #52
Welcome to DU, Hearthrob! calimary Mar 2020 #80
COVID stands for Lord Ludd Mar 2020 #54
your's is better, but bubbazero Mar 2020 #62
How about: niyad Mar 2020 #66
I think you nailed it. n/t customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #68
Excellent responses! Lord Ludd Mar 2020 #72
In reference to Trump's severe case of Obama Derangement Syndrome: Zambero Mar 2020 #108
Inventive! nt Lord Ludd Mar 2020 #117
Good one! n/t Peregrine Took Mar 2020 #102
... Celerity Mar 2020 #124
Trumpvirus GoneOffShore Mar 2020 #128
I am OK with that Generic Other Mar 2020 #129
Baghdad Birx. dewsgirl Mar 2020 #2
OMG! Baghdad Birx! calimary Mar 2020 #39
Honored to make it onto your list. dewsgirl Mar 2020 #41
Grotesque Orange Pustule -- disease and symptom all in one Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2020 #44
Needy Amin is my favorite, but I also like Twenty Amin. nt tblue37 Mar 2020 #57
Nice collection! Needy Amin is a fave of mine. nt crickets Mar 2020 #59
A few more good ones DeeDeeNY Mar 2020 #63
I think the formal title is "Donny Two Scoops"... not_the_one Mar 2020 #74
Lumpy. Von fatbergen (a word roughly meaning greasy slime in drain)h niyad Mar 2020 #71
Orangeutang I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2020 #76
Fuckwit von Munchausen is a new one on me. Harker Mar 2020 #101
Benghazi Birx. milestogo Mar 2020 #45
Coronavirus Barbie. calimary Mar 2020 #78
Yes! True Blue American Mar 2020 #130
OMG!!! calimary Mar 2020 #131
Scarves can really True Blue American Mar 2020 #132
She's blown any credibility she had. MontanaMama Mar 2020 #3
to keep her important job, she must pander to the PETTY stupid BABY. pansypoo53219 Mar 2020 #120
If we're designating counties by levels of risk, it should only be done to provide a guideline . . . Journeyman Mar 2020 #5
It should be empirical data driven by testing. If testing is the bases of the decision then its good uponit7771 Mar 2020 #21
All but 5 states have tested less than 20 per 10,000 pat_k Mar 2020 #24
Are you the person who's doing the math projections? What is your estimate of length of time for uponit7771 Mar 2020 #26
Two months minimum, if we shut EVERYTHING down. Letting the virus run it's course... ahoysrcsm Mar 2020 #79
I'm not doing projections -- I'm just tracking as testing ramps up in different states. pat_k Mar 2020 #84
Correction, in Italy and in Iceland it's 50% of the people are asymptomatic (link) uponit7771 Mar 2020 #88
The Virus in Chief has infected another Doctor MasonDreams Mar 2020 #6
I think they are just going out there to drive the market back up any way they can. People brewens Mar 2020 #7
And it will. SergeStorms Mar 2020 #35
Contagion Corgigal Mar 2020 #8
its all for show to jack up trump's approval. she'll do anything for money nt msongs Mar 2020 #9
That's the word on the street anyway. CaptYossarian Mar 2020 #13
Dumb idea as many people reside and work in two different counties. Progressive Law Mar 2020 #10
Two different states sarge43 Mar 2020 #42
"Going back to work by Easter" should never have been considered and PufPuf23 Mar 2020 #11
Tell it! DaBronx Mar 2020 #12
It's all to BS his drunk with stupidity base? Brainfodder Mar 2020 #14
don calls her 'deborah' now... spanone Mar 2020 #15
I cannot believe what insanity she was spewing! She drank the kool-aid. cornball 24 Mar 2020 #16
Can't you just see it now mercuryblues Mar 2020 #17
All this assumes plcdude Mar 2020 #18
There's a lot of "respected physicians" in Congress CanonRay Mar 2020 #19
Rand Paul's ears are ringing flibbitygiblets Mar 2020 #32
If the "evaluate" means testing then of course she's right ... if the "evaluate" means taking ... uponit7771 Mar 2020 #20
Apparently, she was s Colonel in the Army maxrandb Mar 2020 #22
This! happy feet Mar 2020 #95
How does she expect to do that, when all but 5 states have tested less than 20 per 10,000 people??? pat_k Mar 2020 #23
Where did you get this info? And is per capita information available for confirmed cases? LAS14 Mar 2020 #33
Sources pat_k Mar 2020 #55
Thanks. I really wish that either ncov2019.com or 1point3acres.com.... LAS14 Mar 2020 #73
Worldmeter - Coronavirus page has cases per million and deaths per million, but no tests per million pat_k Mar 2020 #85
Found a good site for testing numbers: covidtracking.com/ pat_k Mar 2020 #86
Thanks! I saw a number over 20,000 for Massachusetts, and.... LAS14 Mar 2020 #93
I think totals tests is just positives + negatives. pat_k Mar 2020 #100
North Carolina has tested 12,910 people. littlemissmartypants Mar 2020 #56
Thanks! So they are at about 12.5 per 10,000 based on pop of 10.4 mil pat_k Mar 2020 #58
Closer to 10.6 and projected to possibly go over that at the time of the 2020 census. nt littlemissmartypants Mar 2020 #82
i believe this is the same fool that told us that millennials were going to teach boomers how to dawn5651 Mar 2020 #25
haha ahoysrcsm Mar 2020 #81
shes minnie pearl... samnsara Mar 2020 #27
Please---I met Minnie and she was an intelligent and gracious lady. nt Atticus Mar 2020 #29
She was amazing. deurbano Mar 2020 #48
I wasn't aware that people couldn't move from county to county. kairos12 Mar 2020 #30
A shiller for the killer. She is insane. 58Sunliner Mar 2020 #31
Dr. Fauci has been pushing for lots and lots of testing so that... LAS14 Mar 2020 #34
I am all out of fucks to give about her efforts to "keep DT pacified". nt Atticus Mar 2020 #37
+1 Lulu KC Mar 2020 #67
I'm thinking this is where her and Dr Fauci are going with their responses. They're aiming at testin uponit7771 Mar 2020 #69
Red counties lower pop density magically to be freer, til it breaks out in every last one of them.nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2020 #36
Stupid, idiotic idea. nt Ferrets are Cool Mar 2020 #38
I started discounting her when she praised Trump early on. Lonestarblue Mar 2020 #40
She and others also piss me off for claiming the numbers aren't correct gab13by13 Mar 2020 #49
Was it just me Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2020 #50
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2020 #70
I think that what she is saying is that Lulu KC Mar 2020 #77
He has no authority.... paleotn Mar 2020 #51
Keeping the mad king humored, while advocating for extensive testing? Crunchy Frog Mar 2020 #53
Dr Birx lost a lot of respect at today's presser. Very disappointed in her. nt iluvtennis Mar 2020 #60
Without testing everyone she's a fraud, imo eleny Mar 2020 #61
I have felt this way from the start. johnnyknj Mar 2020 #64
Dr. Fauci, locks Mar 2020 #65
First question: Where did you hear her explain this? Lulu KC Mar 2020 #75
It is your right to defend her. My OP clearly stated my opinion of those who do. nt Atticus Mar 2020 #89
I'm asking serious questions of you Lulu KC Mar 2020 #90
1.) On TV yesterday; 2.) Stop excusing Trump's insanity. nt Atticus Mar 2020 #91
What? Lulu KC Mar 2020 #92
---sigh---one more try----you asked two numbered questions; I gave you two Atticus Mar 2020 #97
Oh, all right Lulu KC Mar 2020 #123
Seriously---thank you. nt Atticus Mar 2020 #125
You're welcome Lulu KC Mar 2020 #127
I have 0 respect for her Meowmee Mar 2020 #83
Realize that everybody on that dais knows they are dealing with a dangerous fool ... Straw Man Mar 2020 #87
It's the Trump taint. patphil Mar 2020 #94
The image you just gave me of Trump's taint RVN VET71 Mar 2020 #103
I use the same "cure". patphil Mar 2020 #105
Johnny Walker "blue" is also an excellent mind-bleach. nt Atticus Mar 2020 #111
I love the Blue RVN VET71 Mar 2020 #115
She is atrocious even for a token woman. librechik Mar 2020 #96
The only way to do it would be to conduct a MASSIVE testing program. Nitram Mar 2020 #98
Limited Testing Ignorance on Parade Nululu Mar 2020 #99
Dr. Brix saidsimplesimon Mar 2020 #104
It is still up to the governors. murielm99 Mar 2020 #106
Siskiyou County, CA GregD Mar 2020 #107
Fat bastard, Right wing dummies who shill, saidsimplesimon Mar 2020 #109
Large counties with fewer people will be designated "low risk." LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 2020 #110
I'm thinking all blue counties subana Mar 2020 #112
A couple Trumpers in my family said they will refuse KentuckyWoman Mar 2020 #114
Not just return to work, luvallpeeps Mar 2020 #116
She is part of the cult...and lies just like all of them.. pbmus Mar 2020 #118
When the low risk counties are identified, infected people will NCjack Mar 2020 #119
Geographically large counties with small populations will have the lowest risk rating. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 2020 #121
She is twisted. Has no ethics. LiberalFighter Mar 2020 #122
This is a very stupid concept that trump came up with Gothmog Mar 2020 #126

Talitha

(6,479 posts)
43. I just started reading this thread - but IMO you've already won it with 'COVID-45'.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:09 PM
Mar 2020
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant!

Lord Ludd

(585 posts)
54. COVID stands for
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:32 PM
Mar 2020
Corrupt
Obnoxious
Vindictive
Incompetent
Demented

Just what came to me immediately. Anyone care to play?

Zambero

(8,954 posts)
108. In reference to Trump's severe case of Obama Derangement Syndrome:
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 04:25 PM
Mar 2020
Change
Obama's
Victories
Into
Defeats

calimary

(80,700 posts)
39. OMG! Baghdad Birx!
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:05 PM
Mar 2020

This is a SPECTACULAR mental game to play to keep one's mind nimble while we're all shut in.

Look at how creative people can get with this incredible/special/fantastic/amazing/(did I forget)incredible/we'll-see-what-happens/this-I-can-tell-you FRAUD providing us with all this creative inspiration for satire!

People here have come up with some GREATS. I decided to start a new collection!

More New Names for The Donald (from DUer):

Fatnixon

That orange thing

The orangefuck

Pestilence-in-Chief

Donald Clusterfck Trump

The Fat Bastard

The orange mushroom - DesertRat

sprinkleeninow (9,005 posts)
19. You correct on that. Orangeous had better sign it.

MORONavirus spreading on live TV. The Mad King

TrumpleThinSkin

Covidiot in Chief

COVID-45.

Baghdad Birx.

Fuckwit Von Munchausen – Rick Wilson

Opportunistic infections on two legs and wearing business suits.

joshdawg (1,867 posts)
4. Just more bullshit from the pile of festering fecal matter.
FLUSH THE TURD
NOVEMBER THIRD

and from Daily Kos:
Geezerette Joined in 2017
Community (Daily Kos)
Mojo
Mar 21, 2020 at 01:28:59 PM
His babysitters won’t let him see it — he will have a trumper tantrum.

DeeDeeNY

(3,352 posts)
63. A few more good ones
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:01 PM
Mar 2020

Orange Foolius is good. And someone called him Two Scoops, because his staff is instructed to give guests only one scoop of ice cream but he gets two.

niyad

(112,438 posts)
71. Lumpy. Von fatbergen (a word roughly meaning greasy slime in drain)h
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:46 PM
Mar 2020

Courtesy of a friend

A few of mine:
Bloviating bigot


Cretinous coward

Puerile pervert

Harker

(13,880 posts)
101. Fuckwit von Munchausen is a new one on me.
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 02:36 PM
Mar 2020

I call him Trumpsky in recognition of his undeniable Russian origins, lest they be forgotten.

calimary

(80,700 posts)
78. Coronavirus Barbie.
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 01:14 AM
Mar 2020

I saw somewhere - a story about how what she's wearing every day has attracted attention.

True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
130. Yes!
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 02:05 PM
Mar 2020

One asked about the tablecloth draped around Doctor Birx shoulders

Many women wear scarves for a reason. As one elderly comedian said she is afraid to go out before Thanksgiving!

calimary

(80,700 posts)
131. OMG!!!
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 03:33 PM
Mar 2020

Yes. We do. This one does, sometimes. Or I used to, sometimes, when I was working.
Nice way to dress up an outfit.
Handy way to distract if your wardrobe is limited.
Warmth.
Because you like it.
Color is flattering.
Someone you love or care about gave it to you.
It represents a special event or moment or gathering or organization.
You like wearing silky, flow-y fabric. Feels nice against the skin.
Drapery can be strategic
- concealing a "flaw" and redirecting the eye elsewhere.
- concealing a "crepey neck."
- long narrow scarves guide the eye vertically, not horizontally (for those of us who are weight-conscious).


Dr. Birx does seem to like her scarves. She accessorizes just about every outfit she's worn. Just something I've noticed.


True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
132. Scarves can really
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 05:42 PM
Mar 2020

Make an outfit. I remember the lovely clips that would hold Nam in place. Probably have a few in my Jewelry chest.

Like you I preferred the long silky ones.

Journeyman

(15,001 posts)
5. If we're designating counties by levels of risk, it should only be done to provide a guideline . . .
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:34 PM
Mar 2020

for the order in which needed medical supplies are distributed. Anything else Is just dickery, intended to distract from the necessary focus of the day.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
21. It should be empirical data driven by testing. If testing is the bases of the decision then its good
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:50 PM
Mar 2020

... logic, if not then the nation is screwed

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
24. All but 5 states have tested less than 20 per 10,000
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:26 PM
Mar 2020

The highest number tested is WA at 60 per 10,000 (more in this post)

I can't imagine how testing this limited could inform much of anything about the distribution within counties in a state. In addition, I think it is almost guaranteed that testing per capita varies widely across counties, and that even the criteria for testing varies, making a valid comparison just about impossible.

Magical thinking. Just llike DT. After all the colossal failures that blocked testing efforts, she thinks states will magically have nice, comparable, testing data.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
26. Are you the person who's doing the math projections? What is your estimate of length of time for
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:34 PM
Mar 2020

... our shelter in place if there's 100% compliance with shelter in place?

thx in advance

Oh, I agree with your statement also ... I'm praying Fauci and Brix are telling Truimp to get the testing campaign ramped up so he can be a hero.

He's not, he's an asshole

ahoysrcsm

(787 posts)
79. Two months minimum, if we shut EVERYTHING down. Letting the virus run it's course...
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 01:18 AM
Mar 2020

with no re-infections.

8-10 months IF EVERYONE BUT first responders were to be in "lockdown" (police, fire, medical, military) this includes support staff in lockdown as well.

16-20 months if we continue with the current social distancing, unemployment/employment, local government shutdown, minimum workforce, etc.

I'm seeing a pattern here, anywho, I just pulled these numbers out of my butt, no way to know for certain, but 300 Million dead worldwide wouldn't be out of the possibilities. 18 months and counting to a viable vaccine, another 2-4 months to distribute, if the vaccine is manufactured before deemed viable.

22-24 months... damn... I would not want to be president right now.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
84. I'm not doing projections -- I'm just tracking as testing ramps up in different states.
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 02:44 AM
Mar 2020

As far as "estimate of length of time for our shelter in place if there's 100% compliance" I'll take a shot at a thought experiment for a "best case" scenario.

In Iceland, they tested 5000 asymptomatic people and got 48 positives -- about 1%. If we assumed that, right now, 1% of Americans are infected, that would be 3.3 million cases in the US right now. Let's assume all those cases are at some point in a roughly 3 week cycle (from incubating to symptomatic to recovery or death).

The latest estimate for mortality rate I've seen is 1.5%. If 1.5% of the 3.3 million died, that's about 50,000 deaths over the next two or three weeks. If, somehow, there was zero spread from the 3.3 million to anyone else, that would be it. Of course, that's impossible. However, if a significant proportion of those people don't infect anyone else because of all the precautions, the "next wave" would be smaller. If a significant proportion of that second wave didn't infect anyone else because of precautions, the third wave is smaller, and the fourth wave smaller yet.

Throughout the four cycles (12 weeks or so) we can assume the number of tests per day would continue to increase and systems of reporting would be much improved. We can also assume we'll have a test for antibodies at some point (a way to identify people who are immune who can safely stop "sheltering" ). With far more widespread testing, we would have a far better idea of incidence by region/metro area. I think with those things in place, and a reduced number of infected people, things could perhaps start getting back to normal in many regions, with more targeted containment efforts to keep the virus from spreading out of control. And who knows, at some point we might even have a "rapid home test" people could take at home before going out to work, or where ever. That would be a game changer.

This little thought experiment is undoubtedly very unrealistic, but I thought I'd give it a shot. Tragically, even with this "best case" scenario for getting it under control, the death toll would be awful -- at least 100,000 over the 12 weeks, with continued losses, depending on how long until the end of the downward side of the curve.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
88. Correction, in Italy and in Iceland it's 50% of the people are asymptomatic (link)
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 05:31 AM
Mar 2020
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.zmescience.com/medicine/iceland-testing-covid-19-0523/amp/

10,000 have been tested so far

Not all the results from Iceland’s tests have come through yet, but the ones that have, show that half of all cases are asymptomatic (at the time of testing).


. ... and

These results are also indicated by a testing survey carried on an entire Italian town of Vo (population 3,300), where the results showed that more than 50% of all cases are asymptomatic.

brewens

(13,400 posts)
7. I think they are just going out there to drive the market back up any way they can. People
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:37 PM
Mar 2020

that have been tipped of on what's coming can make a big score before it all comes down again.

SergeStorms

(18,903 posts)
35. And it will.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:56 PM
Mar 2020

There was nothing to justify the stock prices before COVID-19 except stock buy-backs from Trump's give-away to the wealthy and the corporations. There's nothing to justify the increase of stock prices now. The "methods" Trump is choosing to handle this crisis are foolhardy and destined to fail. Don't the "geniuses" on Wall Street realize this, or are they going to be satisfied making a few dollars here and there on the daily vagaries of the stock market? Donald isn't too stupid today? BUY! BUY! Donald has his head up his ass again? SELL! SELL! The stock market hasn't followed any rational models since Trump took (and I do mean "took" ) office.

sarge43

(28,939 posts)
42. Two different states
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:09 PM
Mar 2020

Very common here in NH. Many people claim NH as their state of residence (no state income tax), but work in MA or VT.

PufPuf23

(8,689 posts)
11. "Going back to work by Easter" should never have been considered and
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:39 PM
Mar 2020

now many have expectations.

Counties and states with low current infection rates are because the virus has not gotten there yet with full force. The proposal would make the virus travel faster and deeper into places with little or no current infection.

DaBronx

(250 posts)
12. Tell it!
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:41 PM
Mar 2020

You speak the truth! Anyone who falls for this is a fool. At some point even pretending to please the Great Orange Leader in order to move things along in the background for good reason is also a fool’s errand at this point. Reporters and all news people should be hitting with hard questions and demanding accountability every minute. This is crazy. Never forget this is not normal. This is crazy!!!!

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
14. It's all to BS his drunk with stupidity base?
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:42 PM
Mar 2020

I aint Susan Collins with their safety no more, there are literally people dying to come here to replace them.


mercuryblues

(14,491 posts)
17. Can't you just see it now
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:44 PM
Mar 2020

Someone in a high risk county goes to a church in a low risk county on Easter Sunday. Bam! 2 weeks later, another hot zone.

But it really doesn't matter if people STILL CAN NOT BE TESTED. Or in my daughter in law's case ---Her father was tested and has to wait 2 weeks for the results in the meantime...everyone he has been in contact with are quarantined and not working. Including my DIL. Who, BTW can't be tested unless her Father is positive. So it will be another week for his results, if P another 2 weeks for hers. My son lost his job today, because of an suspected outbreak where he was working. Those they suspect, their results in 2 weeks...On and fucking on it goes.

trump, the gift that keeps on giving. Some hoax. Oh yeah, I can't be tested unless one of test positive. IOW By the time I am eligible for testing, it will be on an autopsy table.

plcdude

(5,309 posts)
18. All this assumes
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:44 PM
Mar 2020

We have accurate and sufficient data about each county many maybe most of them have not tested very many people. This is criminally irresponsible.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
20. If the "evaluate" means testing then of course she's right ... if the "evaluate" means taking ...
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:47 PM
Mar 2020

... a symptomatic testing then she's bat shit crazy and stupid.

maxrandb

(15,192 posts)
22. Apparently, she was s Colonel in the Army
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 07:59 PM
Mar 2020

My experience with military Officers is that 80-90% of them are right wing fanatics.

She did great work on HIV/AIDS, but at that time, she was working as a medical professional.

She's now serving as political cover for dipshit Donnie.

She may be a medical professional, but my guess is she's way closer to Dipshit Donnie politically.

She's not serving as a doctor, unless it's as a Spin Doctor

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
23. How does she expect to do that, when all but 5 states have tested less than 20 per 10,000 people???
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:17 PM
Mar 2020
Number of tests per 10,000

The top 5 states in testing are:

Washington 60

New York 50

Massachusetts 28

Louisiana 24

Minnesota 23

These are the "top" states. They are catching up as well as they can, but I can't imagine these sorts of numbers are sufficient to determine "risk" of the counties in the respective states. These are just averages for the state. Undoubtedly, some counties have done much less testing than others.

-----------------------------------
States data could be found for. States not reporting number of tests presumably have also tested fewer than 20 per 10,000

Tennessee 20

Wisconsin 18

New Jersey 17

Connecticut 16

California 16

Colorado 14

Ohio 12

Illinois 11

Florida 11

Iowa 10

Pennsylvania 10

North Carolina 10

Michigan 9

Mississippi 9

Virginia 7

Georgia 6

Indiana 5

Texas 5

Arizona 1.2

LAS14

(13,749 posts)
33. Where did you get this info? And is per capita information available for confirmed cases?
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:51 PM
Mar 2020

tia
las

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
55. Sources
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:33 PM
Mar 2020

I've been tracking WA, NY, CA, and MN. Their numbers are most up to date. As for the numbers for the other states. They are mainly from this VOX article with numbers as of yesterday. (There are a few I was able to update based on today's news.)

I can dig up links if you like, but here's a quick summary of where the WA, NY, CA, and MN numbers are from:

WA data is the Seattle Times coronavirus daily update (firewall open during crisis) also on their DOH site. I take whichever appears newer.

NY is harder to find, but I found an article that reported they've done more than 100,000 tests as of today (pop about 19.5 million).

MN reports it's numbers on their DOH site.

CA is tough to find but based that estimate on a recent article.

LAS14

(13,749 posts)
73. Thanks. I really wish that either ncov2019.com or 1point3acres.com....
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 11:29 PM
Mar 2020

... would add a per capita column to their reports.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
85. Worldmeter - Coronavirus page has cases per million and deaths per million, but no tests per million
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 03:39 AM
Mar 2020

If you want per capita cases and deaths for countries, you'll find it the last two columns of the Worldmeter - Coronavirus list of countries.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Click USA link for a breakdown by state.

Unfortunately, the table for the US doesn't include the per capita numbers by state.

Cases per 1M for a some selected countries below -- as of 12:40 PT 3/27.

On the site, you can sort by the column to see full "ranking"

I wish a tests per million column were included to report the figure, if available. This would give something to inform accuracy/inaccuracy of the numbers. I assume we are way down the list due to such limited testing.

Cases per 1 million
...
Switzerland 1,365
Italy 1333
Spain 1236
...
Austria 767
Norway 622
Belgium 538
Germany 524
France 447
Netherlands 434
...
USA 259
...
S.Korea 182
...
UK 172
...
Australia 123
...
China 57

Deaths per million

Italy 136
Spain 93
...
USA 4
Once again, likely a consequence of limited testing and/or "broken" reporting systems. While tests were incredibly limited, admissions with COVID-19-like symptoms were treated as if they were COVID-19 positive with status never confirmed after death, so they weren't counted as COVID-19 deaths. In addition, many states have very "broken" reporting systems, so cases have gone unreported. (According to one quote CA system is still "100% broken" )

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
86. Found a good site for testing numbers: covidtracking.com/
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 04:47 AM
Mar 2020
https://covidtracking.com/data/

It's a project spearheaded by the Atlantic.

It provides great testing numbers -- positive, negative, pending, along with hospitalized, and deaths. It grades the quality of the data, which is wonderful.

It also provides links to numbers over time so you can see the changes, as well as links to best sources of information for each state.

And you can download as spreadsheet, so you can easily add data, like pop, and calculations.

I wish I had discovered this site sooner!

LAS14

(13,749 posts)
93. Thanks! I saw a number over 20,000 for Massachusetts, and....
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 10:25 AM
Mar 2020

... thought Oh no!!!. But then I scrolled up to see the column headings and it was negative tests. I did hear somewhere that Massachusetts is one of the leaders in testing.

Question: I can't figure out where the TOTAL figure comes from for a state. Can you?

tia
las

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
100. I think totals tests is just positives + negatives.
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 02:36 PM
Mar 2020

When there is a "pending" number, it's not included in total.

dawn5651

(601 posts)
25. i believe this is the same fool that told us that millennials were going to teach boomers how to
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:33 PM
Mar 2020

be socially distant, because the millennials were excellent at it.

ahoysrcsm

(787 posts)
81. haha
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 01:25 AM
Mar 2020

Apparently, my constant hand washing, cleaning my work space, refusal to shake hands (one coworker needed multiple hand shakes throughout the day,) and "social distancing" (approx one meter) has become the new normal.

LAS14

(13,749 posts)
34. Dr. Fauci has been pushing for lots and lots of testing so that...
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:53 PM
Mar 2020

... we can find places where "containment" would still work. If Dr. Birx wrapped "getting back to work" into her response I'm sure it was to keep DT pacified so that people like her and Fauci can do their jobs. Give her a break!

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
69. I'm thinking this is where her and Dr Fauci are going with their responses. They're aiming at testin
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:40 PM
Mar 2020

... testing so we can get some hard data cause Red Don is a nut case.

Lonestarblue

(9,880 posts)
40. I started discounting her when she praised Trump early on.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:07 PM
Mar 2020

I want experts who tell the truth instead of talking around subjects and flattering Trump’s massive, irrational ego.

gab13by13

(20,871 posts)
49. She and others also piss me off for claiming the numbers aren't correct
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:22 PM
Mar 2020

because we don't know how many people are asymptomatic.

I want someone to ask Birx what happens when someone with covid-45 dies and wasn't tested, do they do a test on a dead person? I don't think so, they just bury them. IMO a lot of people died from covid-45 that never got reported.

Lulu KC

(2,547 posts)
77. I think that what she is saying is that
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 12:20 AM
Mar 2020

our numbers are way too LOW, because we have zero count of asymptomatic. For instance, no one without a fever has been eligible for testing. Results from other countries are showing that not everyone has a fever. She is not making a decision without the data--that is smart, and it is transparent. She knows that numbers don't lie.

I believe that people are tested if they die. For instance, the first case near us was a man having a cardiac incident. They tested him, the cause of his death was COVID-19, even though the presenting event was the heart problem.

Now--an interesting report came through from Italy today about people who are dying of other causes because they were unable to be treated in facilities that were using all staff and resources for COVID-19 patients. The question is asked, "Are these actually deaths caused by COVID-19?" Again, the importance of data.

paleotn

(17,781 posts)
51. He has no authority....
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:28 PM
Mar 2020

It is a state matter. Period. End of story. If Gov. Cuomo in NY, Gov Scott an VT, Gov. Sumunu in NH, Gov. Newsom in CA et al. say no, it ain't gonna fucking happen.

johnnyknj

(37 posts)
64. I have felt this way from the start.
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:11 PM
Mar 2020

Ever since she appeared as a charter member of the nod squad, enthusiastically nodding support for every inane thing he uttered. Why she came with such glowing praise is beyond me.

locks

(2,012 posts)
65. Dr. Fauci,
Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:19 PM
Mar 2020

Sanjay Gupta, and Bill Gates were on CNN's global town hall with Anderson Cooper tonight and they were terrific.

Lulu KC

(2,547 posts)
75. First question: Where did you hear her explain this?
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 12:15 AM
Mar 2020

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Based on your post, I forced myself to watch her part of today's press conference. (also part of Pence and all of Dr. Fauci.)

She discussed counties where the virus is concentrated and using contact tracing and surveillance to track transmission to other counties. She is fully aware of travel between counties. She also responded to a question on the topic from a reporter, about highly responsible behavior between counties. This has been true in my state--other counties with zero incidence have instituted quarantines for those who've visited mine, which has the highest rate in the state. This is the same recommended/requested two week quarantine for anyone who's traveled internationally. This is cautious, preventative, and makes perfect sense.

She also focused on asymptomatic cases. We haven't had adequate testing of symptomatic cases, but we've had zero testing of asymptomatic cases. Until we have data, our analysis is weak. She makes a good point on this. I hear her saying that she thinks there are MORE, not FEWER cases than we think. (This would decrease the proportion of cases/deaths.)

Pence said that the "president's" desire to open up the country will be made based on data. She is slowing him down from acting without it.

Dr. Fauci has also explained (in his interview with Science published over the weekend) how the task force meets and goes over what they're going to say before the event. I trust him to politely disagree with her if she started pulling us off in the wild and crazy direction of the so-called-president.

Second question for you: What else are you thinking she could do?

Lulu KC

(2,547 posts)
90. I'm asking serious questions of you
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 09:31 AM
Mar 2020

This isn't about defending HER, it's about information.

1. Where did you hear her say this about the counties?
2. What do you want her to do instead?

I am not challenging your opinion--I just want to know where you're hearing her say what you mentioned. It wasn't in the press conference, so where was it?

Based on what I have read, I don't think we'll be out of this for 18 months. There is no way that we can return to "normal" by Easter. If anything, we might have partial restrictions lifted by late June or July, where we get to go do more than we are now, but we will be sent back home about a month later as the virus recirculates. This cycle will happen repeatedly until we can test antibodies and vaccinate.

Based on what I've heard her say, she's driven by data like an actual scientist. If she is, and if she has influence, we won't be anywhere close to unlocked by Easter. The states and local jurisdictions won't let it happen, even if DT would. Now, will he listen to her or anyone else with common sense? Unlikely.

Lulu KC

(2,547 posts)
92. What?
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 09:53 AM
Mar 2020

An innocent and professional person sometimes wanders on to his playground and does their best to protect us from the bully. They come, they go. We wait to see how long they last. Dr. Fauci seems like one, I am not sure about Dr. Birx but am paying close attention.

I am certainly not defending Trump's sanity. There is none to defend. Nor am I defending his intellect. None to defend. He is a dangerous criminal fascist tyrant. This is only his latest example.

You seem really angry. I'm angry too. You don't have to take it out on a fellow DUer who asks you a question. It's mean, it's bullying. Bye-bye.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
97. ---sigh---one more try----you asked two numbered questions; I gave you two
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 12:47 PM
Mar 2020

numbered answers. #2 OBVIOUSLY is directed at "Deborah", NOT you. You are not defending Trump.

You are defending the woman who defends him daily.

Lulu KC

(2,547 posts)
123. Oh, all right
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 01:37 AM
Mar 2020

It's a dead horse I'll stop beating. The next day she said that stupid thing about his great grasp of science. That was just too much.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
83. I have 0 respect for her
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 01:31 AM
Mar 2020

She seems like a nazi- step ford wife to me, and she is up there to pump up dumps crazy bs. Look at her expression, each time I have seen her it makes me ill. Last time we switched the channel and this time I turned the sound off and forgot it was even on, lol. My father slept through it all. Remember, just because someone is a "respected" doctor... that means absolutely nothing. What they do and say and what they really understand is what counts. No doctor in their right mind would say it is ok to stop quarantining county by county or at all now imo.

The media needs to stop broadcasting this, immediately, go there and record it for a record, but then only publish a transcript somewhere. Stop facilitating these crooks and insane people to kill more people.

Straw Man

(6,613 posts)
87. Realize that everybody on that dais knows they are dealing with a dangerous fool ...
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 04:58 AM
Mar 2020

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... whose proud ignorance could cause untold death and misery. It's possible that she's mollifying him by giving lip service to his plan while undermining it by conditioning it on an task that everybody but him knows is impossible.

patphil

(6,035 posts)
94. It's the Trump taint.
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 12:14 PM
Mar 2020

It is 100% infectious to anyone who comes within Trump's sphere of influence.

Among other symptoms, it manifests as inane blather, compulsive boot-licking, abandonment of moral principals, rejection of truth, spinal degeneration, and bold-faced lying.
There is no known cure other than extreme and prolonged distance from the source, and even then the recovery rate is alarmingly low.

RVN VET71

(2,686 posts)
103. The image you just gave me of Trump's taint
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 03:19 PM
Mar 2020

will keep me uncomfortably awake tonight unless I dive deeply into my single-malt stash.

RVN VET71

(2,686 posts)
115. I love the Blue
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 05:59 PM
Mar 2020

I remember at my eldest son's wedding a friend bought me and him double shots of Johnny Walker Blue, which we drank. I reciprocated, as a man must, and we both drank -- but not gulpingly. Blue is for savoring.

So after savoring the second double shot, it was again my friends turn to buy. . . and you see where this is going. Fortunately, we both kept our composure, no matter what the lying video seems to say, and as well kept embarrassment to a minimum and celebration to a maximum.

Great wedding. And son and spouse are still happily married after 16 years!

librechik

(30,663 posts)
96. She is atrocious even for a token woman.
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 12:37 PM
Mar 2020

These nightmarish briefing/rally gizmos will kill us all.

Please chain up the dog. He's ruining everything with his barking and humping.

Nululu

(833 posts)
99. Limited Testing Ignorance on Parade
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 01:33 PM
Mar 2020

We don't even have an accurate count of the covid dead. Without massive testing we don't know the extent of the problem.

Huge waste of time instead of mobilizing manufacturing and distribution of needed medical gear.

Another pointless distraction by our jackass in chief.

GregD

(2,263 posts)
107. Siskiyou County, CA
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 04:16 PM
Mar 2020

I live in Mount Shasta, Siskiyou County, CA.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Siskiyou+County,+CA/@41.4954113,-123.7036955,8z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x54cdd9bd29d530e3:0xb20e697ed415484c!8m2!3d41.7743261!4d-122.5770126

We are on I-5, the interstate highway that runs the entire length of the west coast. We are already being inundated by travelers from congested areas such as the Bay Area who seem to think that our sparse population makes us a perfectly safe destination.

Ours is a very large county with a population of only about 45,000. Some around here have suggested that we should be allowed to live under looser restrictions.

Those of us who are paying attention want nothing to do with looser restrictions, and simply want everyone that travels to pass us by and keep going. We already have one illness at a gas station, which was possibly the result of an infected traveler.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
109. Fat bastard, Right wing dummies who shill,
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 04:26 PM
Mar 2020

all determined to sink the US ship of democracy and hope. imo

110. Large counties with fewer people will be designated "low risk."
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 04:31 PM
Mar 2020

This will allow Fat Donnie to hold a map of the U.S. and claim that more than 3/4 of the country is at low risk because of him.

This will mirror what he did after the 2016 election, when he kept showing a map which was nearly all red because of large states with smaller populations. What the map actually showed was how much land area he won.



Expect the same scam if his low-medium-high risk policy is put into place.

subana

(586 posts)
112. I'm thinking all blue counties
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 05:03 PM
Mar 2020

will be designated high risk!

Even if they are able to designate those districts, they're going to change quickly!! The virus has the ability to move quickly into other areas, are they going to be able to update these counties every day, every hour or every minute?

KentuckyWoman

(6,666 posts)
114. A couple Trumpers in my family said they will refuse
Fri Mar 27, 2020, 05:07 PM
Mar 2020

If they don't feel safe and the employer demands they return, they will seek FMLA or whatever they can.

Not everyone can make that decision.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
119. When the low risk counties are identified, infected people will
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 10:45 AM
Mar 2020

rush there, thinking treatment resources are more likely to be available.

121. Geographically large counties with small populations will have the lowest risk rating.
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 06:16 PM
Mar 2020

The result will be a map of the U.S. with large areas of "low risk" color (probably green) and very small areas that are "high risk" (red). Then Trump can hold it up and show all the green area, and claim he has made most of the country low risk.

Imagine this map from the 2016 election, only with green instead of red.



That's what I predict will happen. With Fat Donnie, it's not the truth, it's the show.

Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
126. This is a very stupid concept that trump came up with
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 08:05 AM
Mar 2020

I feel sorry for this lady in that she has to defend this idiotic concept

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