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Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:12 PM

World Health Organization backs call to avoid ibuprofen for coronavirus By DONNA RACHEL EDMUNDS MA W


World Health Organization backs call to avoid ibuprofen for coronavirus
By DONNA RACHEL EDMUNDS   MARCH 21, 2020 08:31

The announcement supported a recent statement by the French health minister that ibuprofen may worsen the effects of COVID-19 and should be avoided.

The World Health Organization (WHO) has recommended that people with COVID-19 symptoms avoid taking ibuprofen, after concerns were raised by French officials that it may make the virus more harmful.
A recent study in The Lancet medical journal, theorizing that an enzyme boosted by ibuprofen could enable and exacerbate COVID-19 infections, led France's Health Minister Olivier Veran to suggest via social media that the medicine be avoided.

https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/World-Health-Organization-backs-call-to-avoid-ibuprofen-for-coronavirus-621408

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Reply World Health Organization backs call to avoid ibuprofen for coronavirus By DONNA RACHEL EDMUNDS MA W (Original post)
magicarpet Mar 2020 OP
greenjar_01 Mar 2020 #1
stillcool Mar 2020 #3
greenjar_01 Mar 2020 #2
magicarpet Mar 2020 #9
greenjar_01 Mar 2020 #10
magicarpet Mar 2020 #12
greenjar_01 Mar 2020 #14
magicarpet Mar 2020 #15
greenjar_01 Mar 2020 #4
crickets Mar 2020 #13
jberryhill Mar 2020 #5
Hoyt Mar 2020 #6
magicarpet Mar 2020 #7
Hoyt Mar 2020 #8
magicarpet Mar 2020 #11

Response to magicarpet (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:14 PM

1. Um

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Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:16 PM

3. thank you!

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Response to magicarpet (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:15 PM

2. More

https://www.sciencealert.com/who-recommends-to-avoid-taking-ibuprofen-for-covid-19-symptoms

Updated: WHO Now Doesn't Recommend Avoiding Ibuprofen For COVID-19 Symptoms
AFP17 MARCH 2020
Editor's note (19 March 2020): Since the publication of this article, the World Health Organization has updated its advice on the official Twitter account: "Based on currently available information, WHO does not recommend against the use of ibuprofen."

In light of this, the headline of this article has been changed to reflect the current advice. The original news text, provided by the news wire service AFP, remains below.

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Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:06 PM

9. The need for more evidence with regard to using ibuprofen in conjunction with coronavirus infection


The need for more evidence with regard to using ibuprofen in conjunction with coronavirus infection is a common refrain among experts.

Dr. Jeffrey Klausner, professor of medicine and public health at the University of California Los Angeles Fielding School of Public Health, says that currently, “we know very little” about how using ibuprofen may impact a patient’s experience with COVID-19.

One potential connection is that in high doses of NSAIDs can damage the kidneys. COVID-19 can also affect kidney function. “We know that the coronavirus can cause sepsis in severely infected patients and sepsis can be associated with kidney problems,” Klausner says.

https://health.usnews.com/conditions/articles/coronavirus-and-ibuprofen-what-to-know

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Response to magicarpet (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:23 PM

10. From the article you're selectively citing

"But the connection between coronavirus and ibuprofen may not be direct. “Unfortunately, with so many places experiencing patients with COVID-19, almost inevitably we’re going to see some strange associations, and it’s hard to know what’s going to be real and what’s noise,” says Dr. Larry William Chang, associate professor of medicine, epidemiology and international health at the Johns Hopkins Medicine in Baltimore.

Still, “I’m not aware of any specific mechanism that would make it harmful to use NSAIDs in the presence of coronavirus infection,” Klausner says."

The reason the WHO rescinded its first statement is because there's no real evidence that ibuprofen is harmful for COVID-19, as pretty much even the articles you're using now state. Why you're insisting on this crusade is a mystery, but not one I'm particularly interested in anymore. The existing articles all undermine the claim in the OP.

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Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 08:29 PM

12. Jeez, what are you being intentionally obtuse it is like talking to Donald Trump.

OBTUSE ,adjective
1.
annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand.

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You don't get it or you don't want to get it.

You are taking a juvenile approach about the subject matter. You intend to beat me over the head with a frying pan until I gulp down your god damn ibuprofen as per your choice medication to alleviate discomfort caused by the virus COVID-19.

Scientists and doctors around the world are saying patients are responding better with Tylenol/acetaminophen than Advil/ibuprofen.

Some doctors are concerned that COVID-19 patients who have taken ibuprofen faire worse and are more susceptible to medical failure in the ICU.

What caused the alert ? Patients in France who reported taking ibuprofen at the out set of their COVID-19 symptoms died sooner and the cause of death was a septic attack due to kidney failure.This concerned doctors that ibuprofen taken by COVID-19 patients might weaken their kidneys and set the kidneys up for am attack by the virus. It is only anecdotal evidence, but it might be a valid issue that ibuprofen use is detrimental for Coronavirus patients.

BUT REQUIRES FURTHER EMPIRICAL DRUG STUDIES IN ORDER TO BE CERTAIN. The warning about ibuprofen in conjunction with Coronavirus patients is reality, there are parallel issues of concern.

Oh incidentally, there is a warning that comes with the use of Ibuprofen it states not to exceed the recommended dosage because it might result in kidney damage. If patients who get Coronavirus medicate at home with ibuprofen but get sicker. People often up dose OTC medications in the hopes they will feel better. Maybe those patients once they get to the hospital have arrived with weakened or damaged kidneys from taking too many ibuprofen pills and once in the ICU their bodies crash into septic shock.

Coronavirus attacks the kidneys,

The lungs aren’t the only target. The coronavirus also has the ability to latch on to, hijack and destroy cells of the kidneys, Yang said.

The kidneys play an essential role in removing waste from the blood. When they fail, toxic levels of waste can pile up in the body

Now if if you chose not to heed those warnings that is your personal preference.

Myself, I see a possible correlation between the use of Ibuprofen being detrimental to Coronavirus patients so I choose to heed the warning until more information becomes available and the issue studied more.

You see I take the better safe than sorry approach,.. you have no right to chastise me for taking my opinions on the matter or taking that approach, and you also have no right to shit trash my posts on this board, and you have no right to make a mockery, dissect or trash my posts particularly if you are without any valid reason.

Rather than harass me, maybe you should just block my posts because your viewpoints are the only ones that count or matter.

Are you a sales representative for Advid/ibuprofen by the way ?

Are you related to Donald Trump, you are relentlessly pig headed like he is.

Please stop harassing me on this board.

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Response to magicarpet (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:13 PM

14. I don't even take ibuprofen

Calm down, buddy.

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Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #14)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 10:46 PM

15. Oh good, ibuprofen ain't good for you.

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If you have a fever take an aspirin.

When you get over 65 years of age take 75mg of aspirin once a day, it is good for your ticker. Stop if you are scheduled for surgery of any kind, including dental. The aspirin thins your blood like heparin does.
It helps controls blood clots and guards against having a stroke. An Anticoagulant - it slows down the blood's propensity to congeal.

con·geal /kənˈjēl/ verb solidify or coagulate, especially by cooling. "the blood had congealed into blobs" Similar: coagulate clot, cake, set solidify, harden thicken, stiffen, dry, gel, concentrate, fix, or inspissate.

Opposite: soften liquefy take shape or coalesce, especially to form a satisfying whole. "the ballet failed to congeal as a single oeuvre".


Be Well.
Nice talking.
Let's put our energies together,
And go get rid of Trump
And preserve Democracy for the young ones.

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Response to magicarpet (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:18 PM

4. Good analysis of how this misinformation developed

https://www.wired.com/story/the-ibuprofen-debate-reveals-the-danger-of-covid-19-rumors/

The Lancet piece was an opinion/commentary, not a peer-reviewed article. The French claims emerged in the larger context of French health officials problems with ibuprofen. The explanation for how ibuprofen use might enable or spur the virus are extremely thin and not proven in any way. The WHO reversed its position days ago and it's super irresponsible for the J Post to publish this without a clear timeline.

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Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 09:28 PM

13. Thanks for the link. nt

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Response to magicarpet (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:20 PM

5. Please delete - this information has been determined faulty

 

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Response to magicarpet (Original post)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:24 PM

6. Good. Switched to Tylenol a few weeks ago. It doesn't work well, for me anyway.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #6)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:41 PM

7. A story in National Geographic recommends the same thing Tylenol rather than ibuprofen.

For taking care of the fever associated with many illnesses, including COVID-19, physicians suggest taking acetaminophen—known internationally as paracetamol—before ibuprofen. If the fever persists, patients should then consider switching to ibuprofen, says Julie Autmizguine, a pediatric infectious disease specialist at CHU Sainte-Justine in Montreal, Canada.

She and other doctors express this preference because ibuprofen and related drugs—called NSAIDs for short—can have harmful side effects, including kidney injury, stomach ulcers, and gastrointestinal bleeding.

https://api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/science/2020/03/as-coronavirus-surges-how-hospitals-are-treating-covid-disease

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Response to magicarpet (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 05:46 PM

8. Thanks. I try to keep up with various opinions.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 26, 2020, 06:45 PM

11. Thank you for your polite acknowledgment.

A big bunch of people here try and block anyone from posting here because your contribution here might not align exactly and perfectly with their thoughts on the matter.

It is a discussion board, it requires open mindedness, which means being open to new ideas and thoughts.

But quite often if a person brings a thought to the table others are quick to shoot that thought down.

It is almost like there is a clique here, if you are part of the inside clique your thoughts are welcomed. If you are outside of the clique, they slap a bull's eye on you, and be ready for attack because your contributions maybe out side of the prevailing opinions.

Somehow thinking they have all the answers, know so much more than others, and have no time or patients - so they quickly trash countering opinions.

This Coronavirus is called a Nuevo Virus.
Maybe they don't know what NUEVO means.

nuevo. Adjective. (not comparable) New or novel, usually in reference to Latin American culture.

This virus is going to require a lot of outside the box thinking to solve this problem. Being open to new approaches, new perspectives, and differing opinions based on and rooted in factual information maybe where the answer to this riddle can be found.

Opening your mind and opening your heart to other peoples opinions might be a good place to start, a tad less confrontational would help.




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