CA Gov Newsom just announced state wide stay at home order.

[BigmanPigman]

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Earlier today he said he expects 56% of state population to get the virus within next 8 weeks. I had a feeling this was coming.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-19/gavin-newsom-california-1-billion-federal-aid-coronavirus

[hlthe2b]

1. What are the exceptions?

[BigmanPigman]

4. I don't know. Probably the same as other areas...

I expect supermarkets and pharmacies will remain open.

[IcyPeas]

6. exceptions:

Businesses allowed to stay open include first responders, grocery stores and certified farmers markets, financial institutions, caregivers, mail services and restaurants serving takeout and delivery orders, among others. News media was also exempted. A full copy of the order is at the bottom of this story.

https://www.dailynews.com/2020/03/19/la-county-to-issue-stricter-stay-at-home-order-due-to-coronavirus/

[hlthe2b]

15. Thanks... Very comprehensive.

As an animal lover, I am relieved to see that veterinary hospitals and all forms of animal care are considered essential health care services and thus exempt.

[Pachamama]

16. You can go for a walk, hiking, a run, walking the dog....but you have to keep min 6 ft from people

I am currently on Day 4 of the shelter in place.

We walk the dog morning and night. We are other wise staying in and ordering things from Amazon, Costco and WholeFoods and wipe it down with rags with a chlorine mix.

Watching Amazon and Netflix, reading books, working out on the stationary bike, have a TRX system set up and doing yoga wth online classes.

My daughter is back from College since a week ago when all in-person classes were canceled and are all online. She is online watching lectures from the Professors via Zoom. She is doing group study sessions online.

I started a new garden yesterday after going to the local nursery and picking up lots of veggie plants and herbs...lots of tomatoes.

Making the best of it and knowing its for our survival and the health of our citizens.

[hlthe2b]

19. Yes was really looking for business exceptions, including veterinary hospitals (considered essential

and thus exempt) and how they were handling dental clinics (unclear), but I may have missed it or it may have been addressed elsewhere.

[Pachamama]

26. All elective surgery and dental cleaning work etc. is canceled.

My Dentist is available (like a Doctor) for dental emergencies. For example, I cracked a tooth in December over the holidays and I got a new crown on it in January. If that happened again, I could call him and I could go meet at his office which is closed and he would help me.

[badseedboy]

2. Seems likely this

might be a dry run for a national order of some duration.

[BigmanPigman]

7. I hope so...it is the only way.

The country needs to lock down and test every single person. We know that this is the only way to get it done and over with. We also know it could return in waves. We must track down all who have had contacts with others and attack it that way. S Korea did it, we can too.

[EarthFirst]

3. I'm hoping this directive is soon ordered in New York...

In our small county in Western New York; we’ve started a near doubling daily for the past three days.

Let alone the explosion in numbers downstate.

Please Governor Cuomo; you’ve done a stellar job thus far...let’s get serious about this!

[Niagara]

12. I live in Niagara County

I believe that it's imperative to have this ordered in New York. The last I checked it was over 5k confirmed cases in New York alone.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

5. How on earth will they enforce this......

and how will they identify those with exemptions such as medical personnel and firefighters?

[IcyPeas]

8. garcetti said

they don't want everyone to turn into tattletales. don't go calling the cops.

they are putting trust in all of us to self police.

[SoCalNative]

9. Yeah, that worked out really well

so far

[KY_EnviroGuy]

13. Doesn't this effectively shut down all business except those exempted?

Seems some industrial plants would need to run limited capacity such as refineries.

Does this mean most of California's food shipments to other states will cease?

[Pachamama]

22. People are encouraged to work from home and most companies have here already have been adapting that

Almost everyone I know is working from home except Doctors, Nurses, Firefighters, Police, Mail Carriers, Garbage Collectors, Grocery employees and Restaurant employees (for cooking, take out and delivery services) and gas stations and Pharmacists and cashiers.

From 10-6 you can go get the essentials. Most people trying to limit the trip to once a week to get things. Rely on deliveries and wipe things down. Go for walks and try to get fresh air and exercise and keep the 6ft min distance to others.

The state lines are not closed - yet.

That is likely coming next week other than to essential supply shipments, but hasn't been announced yet.

Factories and manufacturing (the little we have in this country) are still open, but operating with less people.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

27. Thanks. Our area in KY is heavy manufacturing and when they crash....

we're going to have a mess. However, our two big auto assembly plants are union and those guys will likely get some subsistence at least for a while.

Retail is going to be a train wreck and I think we'll lose a lot of small businesses that can't maintain lease payments.

Sad and historic time for America. Like the Great Depression with a different suit on........

[Pachamama]

29. Hopefully someone who owns those manufacturing plants is thinking about how to convert their busines

....to make needed medical supplies and parts.

My daughter and 4 of her friends have formed a "sewing circle" and we ordered the materials and they plan in each of their homes to be making masks using the guidelines that have been posted online and to donate them to our local hospital.

If these 20 years can do this, then the owners of these plants and some local leaders in Kentucky can think out of the box for the "War Effort".

Meanwhile, Retail and Restaurants will be killed in this time. But even the local restaurants here are staying open at a partial level so that takeout and curbside pickup and also some of their waiters are staying employed by driving the deliveries to people and leaving them at the door. Lots of older people depend on the restaurants for hot meals. Some of the restaurants are trying to team up with Meals on Wheels as well.

We need to really come up with ways to make sure people are able to eat and stay home and healthy. We all need to do our part.

[SammyWinstonJack]

66. Loss of income means people aren't likely to be ordering take out/drive thru/pick-up services

[Bmoboy]

30. Small businesses are out of luck

Jiffy Lube, locksmiths, car repair shops, printers, dry cleaners, furniture stores, plumbers, home builders, car salesmen, clothing stores, the list goes on.

None of these can be done by telework.

[Pachamama]

48. Of your list, my understanding is all of those businesses with the exception of the furniture store

and the car sales and clothing stores, are open.

Retail is basically shut down. But I can go to get my oil changed at Jiffy Lube and I can schedule an appt for getting my tires changed. If my car is making weird sounds, I can call my mechanic and schedule an appt.

If I have a plumbing problem, I can call a plumber. My local dry cleaner is delivering. If I get locked out, I can call a Locksmith.

I can't go to a Bar or restaurant or go to shop for clothes or a car. But I can cook dinner at home and make a nice Martini. I can shop online and if I was in the market for a new car, the local dealer's sales people can be called by phone and would be happy to take an order and if I really wanted to do a test drive, I could, but I am imagining most people would wipe it down first.

[Bmoboy]

63. I may have misunderstood

I know these places are mainly open now.

What happens when there is a state wide "stay at home" rule?

Is the GAP really an essential service?

I am wondering how many small businesses will be able to stay open as more people test positive and self isolate, let alone get sick.

[Pachamama]

64. Right now locally, the Gap stores and shopping malls are closed - But you can order online

Clothing sales may decline because people staying at home like me will worry less about clothes.

But expect PJ sales to increase.

[Azathoth]

10. Same way they do in Italy. Police patrol and stop people

and ask why they're out.

[Pachamama]

20. No - that's martial law

We don't have martial law here.

I asked my local police and they aren't going to fine you or arrest you. Frankly, they don't want to get near anyone and get infected and the local jails have sent out a request to not bring in anyone on a misdemeanor.

This is the honor system.

And I am happy to say, its been working great here in Bay Area and I believe Californians, just like in Earthquakes and in Wildfires will do what they have to do to help the community and we will set the example for the Nation.

[Azathoth]

21. Wrong. That's policing and completely within the power of governors

Martial law is the imposition of direct military rule.

Curfews and emergency restrictions of movement by civilian authorities are done all the time, just not on this scale.

The "honor code" is a joke, like the idea of corporations policing themselves, and likely won't last.

[Hekate]

24. So, are you a Californian? Terribly cynical of you, but have you been thru disasters here?

You're just so sure of yourself.

[Azathoth]

28. lol, here we go with the California exceptionalism

Got news for you: people are the same everywhere. Doesn't matter whether they're from California, Italy, or Hubei.

Sure, lots of people will respect the order. Many won't, some in small ways, some in more egregious ones. And as time drags on, and the shock of the situation wears off and the discontent grows, that behavior will expand.

China is the only country that so far has really stopped this thing. (South Korea is trying but they ain't there yet.) And they didn't do it with an honor code.

[Hekate]

32. So that's a No

[Azathoth]

35. That's a crude deflection.

[Hekate]

36. Yes, you did

I have a few other things to do while you await the zombie apocalypse

[Azathoth]

37. lol, now you're mocking the severity of the situation

South Park nailed it.

[jberryhill]

51. Most laws work by the simple fact of social norms

The police can encourage you to go home. That’s not arresting anyone, etc.. The simple fact is that most people will stay home, because they stick out like a sore thumb if they are out, and there’s really not much of anywhere to go anyway.

How many laws do you obey all day, every day, without having someone forcing you to comply or arresting you if you don’t?

This type of question comes up in various contexts, and it always puzzles me why we don’t all have a cop standing over us 24/7 and yet, somehow, most normal people manage not to violate literally thousands of laws every dang day.

[Hekate]

54. True dat, jberry

[Pachamama]

25. Don't know where you live, but its working here in the Bay Area

Californians always set the example and the way....

And thanks for the scolding - I know what "Martial Law" is and I know that in my home in Spain, they have military out on streets and stopping cars and people and only one person per car.

I do know the difference and California does NOT have Martial Law.

PS: I spoke to our local police - they are having no problems at all and they haven't had to cite people and people are complying.

Also- they don't want to get infected and so they aren't going to endanger themselves. But luckily, Californians in the Bay Area have been complying and all love their state and community and realize that they have to do this for the health of all.

No - the honor code isn't a joke. At least not here.

[Pachamama]

44. Long live the Citizens and Residents of the Republic of California

Yes, we do set the example and I am very proud of our state. Whether it be in an earthquake or wildfires, Californians will be there for each other and the communities.

We won't need to do what you are describing...that may be the case in other states, but not here.

Good luck to you - but California wants to live and to set the example for others....

[Niagara]

11. Professions like medical personnel and firefighters

Generally carry ID badges on their person.

[Pachamama]

18. Police, Mail Carriers...

Most people are working at home and local restaurants that are still open in the kitchen and doing delivery or pick-up, their employees can go to work and home and the customers can go drive there (or walk there) and pick up.

Only rule is keeping 6 ft or more from people and its between 10-6PM and then essentially a curfew.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

23. How would they do others with just regular ID.....

such as pharmacy and hospital workers, trash collectors and grocery workers?

Just curious 'cause it's probably coming our way soon.......

[Niagara]

31. I hope these answers help :)

A pharmacist will usually have a license, perhaps even a pocket license. Trash collectors are most likely considered essential right now as well.



My other half works at a hospital and has an ID badge. If he got pulled over by the police, all he has to do is to show his badge. The hospital wouldn't be able to run without his computer knowledge, along with all of his co-workers.



My son is a personal shopper at Walmart, along with other job duties that he does at Walmart. At this moment, Gov. Cuomo considers grocery workers an essential part of the work force during this crisis.


Generally, with a stay at home order a person can still get food at the grocery store and see the doctor.


Adding: It's basically to keep unnecessary large crowds from shopping for non-essential items and avoiding large crowd gatherings.

[jberryhill]

52. Because most people aren't comfortable lying to a cop

This is not complicated.

[DrToast]

14. You'll never be able to completely enforce it

But it’s still helpful to do it. When people find out everything is closed, the message sinks in a little more.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

17. Been sheltering in place since last Thurs. - Rachel Maddox

sounded the alarm and scared the shit out of me - showing the ct scans of Trump Virus lungs. It is now the Trump Virus.

I'm glad she did. But today I'm so scared & disgusted with Trump's ineptitude and lies and callousness. His criminal mismanagement, that I'm through with television for now. I'm listening to Emmy Lou Harris, eating a hot dog, and playing pool in the garage.

[Doodley]

33. That's 22 million infected and around three-quarters-of-a-million deaths at 3.4%

[John Fante]

38. The percentage won't be nearly that high.

It'll make the flu look like sniffles . That's for sure.

[Doodley]

43. Why not?

[John Fante]

50. The estimate in the Wuhan region is 1.4%

and that was at the epicenter of events. That's still an awful percentage, but I doubt it gets that high in the United States. I hope.

[Doodley]

58. Italy had more than 1% deaths of total cases in a single day. In fact,

each of the past two days.

[John Fante]

62. Thats in comparison to the number of confirmed cases.

The number of italians who have the virus but haven't been tested is likely in the millions.

[Progressive Law]

59. China had authoritarian suppression tools at their disposal.

[John Fante]

61. South Korea is under 1%.

[Progressive Law]

65. South Korea was on top of testing from the start. The US, not so much.

[mecherosegarden]

39. As a Mental Health provider

I must go to work. Honestly, a bit scared as I am just recuperating from Walking Pneumonia. But I will get through this. I must think positive...and keep on going.

[BigmanPigman]

40. Doesn't that automatically put you in the "at risk" group?

Did you have the test? I had "walking pneumonia" for over two weeks and my Kaiser doctor said I only needed to take 3 days off from teaching. Withing 4 days I had lost 1/3 of my blood internally and was too weak to stand in the hospital parking structure and had to have transfusions due to the severe anemia that was a result of the pneumonia. I would stay home if I were you.

[Pachamama]

49. Have you considered using Zoom or VSee or Skype for a counseling call?

I have been doing this the last few weeks with my therapist and so are other friends with theirs.

[Baclava]

41. Uh-oh, another TP run, grocery stores, the last outlet for hoarders, people have to do SOMETHING

[ansible]

42. Holy fuck, do you realize how bad this will be tomorrow in the stores, on a FRIDAY???

There's going to be fucking RIOTS! This is a fucking disaster, now people are going to start REALLY panic buying and just stealing if they get scared enough!

[BigmanPigman]

45. Yup!

[Pachamama]

47. No it won't be...

We haven't had any riots here in the 6 counties around the Bay Area since Monday when it was implemented at 10PM.

Sometimes you have to wait outside since they are limiting how many people go in at a time and some items are not available but the employees at our local stores have been doing a great job keeping shelfs stocked.

So far from what I have seen and what everyone is reporting including our local police, all is good.

[Codeine]

53. Oh good grief.

Stop with the panic-mongering. We’re doing fine, we’re taking steps, and we’ll get through it.

[lunatica]

46. That's 40 million people

[Hortensis]

60. And estimated 56% infected WITH this shutdown. Death rate

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from the Trump pandemic dependent on how successfully the epidemiological curve is flattened. The current death rate is reported as about 1.5% with 14,366 identified cases, 215 deaths.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[TeamPooka]

55. I felt so essential when I woke up this morning. Now, not so much.

[greytdemocrat]

56. 56% of state population to get the virus within next 8 weeks.

IMHO that is ridiculous.

[BigmanPigman]

57. Scary, isn't it!

I wonder if Newsom will have to close the state's borders if tRump and other governors don't shut the other states/whole country down. We have to all do it together or it isn't nearly as effective. We have to test everyone, isolate, do contact tracing and stay home all at once. Big job but we could do it if we had a POTUS with a brain instead of a Sharpie.