I am so mad I am shaking

[libtodeath]

So,went to my local country club for an enjoyable Sunday morning of golf and got put in with a group of guys I had not seen there before.
All was fine for a few holes with just normal small talk about the start of football season when one of the guys suddenly says "did you see any of the convention last week,I can`t believe they think that n####r should be reelected".
One of the other guys laughed and said something about him being an affirmative action experiment.
The third guy just stood there looking stunned and I exploded saying how the fuck dare you use such racist words against our President!
I told them they ought to be ashamed and faux news inspired hatred like that had no place in our society.

They looked at me like I had two heads and said good luck with being a socialist but we are here to play golf.
I told them to go ahead,I would follow.

They went to the tee and hit while I hung back.
When it was his turn the third guy said "I will hang back and play with him (me)"
He told me after they had gone that he could not believe such racism still exists but guess it is what a repuke has to be.
He is now going to be voting for President Obama I believe!

[rurallib]

1. rec for speaking up. Thank you.

[freshwest]

119. +1. I always have. Makes those that are still capable of thinking do so.

[stopbush]

2. Racists don't think they're racists.

It's amazing what they'll say when they believe they're in like company. What's more amazing is that they can't conceive of people existing who don't think as they do. They probably felt insulted that you called them racists.

[hedgehog]

5. Being white, people assume I'm like company -

then they get to hear about my two mixed race nieces!

[Warpy]

109. Yes, I shock the hell out of them, too

I'm old and white and inherited money--not a huge amount, but certainly enough for any sane person--and I clean up pretty well.

If I go out cleaned up, someone invariably ASSumes I'm one of the entitled. While I try not to sandbag anyone, I do let them know their ASSumptions about too many things are seriously in error.

Well, unless they're being hideously racist. Then I just ask them what the fuck is the matter with them.

[Brigid]

214. I have a biracial nephew.

He's in his twenties, and is my sister's son from her second marriage. While he was still in high school, she and her white husband (they have since divorced) moved here to IN to a jerkwater little town in the southern part of the state. Why they did that, I never really did figure out. Poor J. was used to living in much more tolerant WA. He looks white, and you would not believe the things that have been said in front of him.

[libtodeath]

8. That was it

They were astounded when I called them on it and told them what they were.
It was like they had never seen anyone that believed different then they did.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

16. +1. They haven't been called on it enough & think it is "OK", "just kidding", "you're sensitive",etc

[MsPithy]

76. How about storming back the the clubhouse and demanding your money back?

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Maybe it's too late for that.

Report the names of those racists to the club. I think a letter to the editor of the largest paper in your area is in order, and use their names. Where do they work? Would their boss be interested in knowing that their employee is a racist?

You were right to call them on it, but if that is all that happens, they will rationalize that you are only one crazy SOB and continue on, as before.

Racism will continue on, until racists change their minds. Pain, shame and embarrassment are ways of helping the wrong-headed change their minds.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

120. Yes, a little fuss would go a long way with a Golf Club because so many are in the news on racism.nt

[greytdemocrat]

138. Damn good job!!!

[Cracklin Charlie]

140. This is what Congressman Cleaver told us during the DNC.

Don't apologize for being a Democrat! Don't let them make you feel bad for caring about how people are treated! March On! Hope On!

Democrats don't take away people's hopes and dreams. That may be all some people have left.

I love the way you took those a-holes down, and they asked for it. There are some lessons best learned the hard way. I am very proud of you.

[1monster]

24. I know several racists who absolutely know they are racists and think it is a good thing

to be so.

Most of us can be unconsciously ethoncentric at times and will strive to eliminate such when we are made aware of it. Racists are consciously so and defend their beliefs vehemently when called on them.

[Chorophyll]

34. I'm always amazed by the stuff white people will say in front of each other,

as if just because I have white skin I'm on their "side."

They lead pretty unexamined lives, I think. It's disgusting.

[ananda]

68. The unexamined life is not worth living.

Socrates

[uponit7771]

149. AMEN!! This is what I saw on Morning Joe, Mika sayin it was a "joke" not thinkin blacks don't think

...what rMoney said was funny

[Ilsa]

3. Sweet Jesus. Unbelievable

hatred and racism.
Even if today's partner isnt voting to re-elect the President, at least he had the manners to show some respect instead of indulging the racists.
Good on you for calling them out on their racism.

[treestar]

4. Most of them know not to use the n word in public

This one is exceptionally dumb.

A girl we grew up with in the neighborhood uses the N word and it's shocking to here. Was on a jury and knew the Defendant was guilty of course - he was black.

[immoderate]

6. I'm shaking a bit too.

Thanks for taking on those mother fuckers!

--imm

[LongTomH]

7. Thanks for speaking out!

[libtodeath]

12. It just came out

I can`t remember the last time I was so pissed off.
I mean disagree with policy if you want but to see the real racist repub when they thought they were safe floored me.

[cherokeeprogressive]

9. Racist white guys playing golf at a country club.

Cool story bro!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

20. "Not enough angry white guys to sustain the GOP" -- Sen. Lindsey Graham (R)

He's telling the truth and identifying that the GOP has backed themselves into a serious corner and have nowhere to go.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021306978

[HarveyDarkey]

29. Really?

What are the odds?

[demwing]

127. That's the rudest snark, bro!

Cool Post Bro!

[speedoo]

10. Sounds like you think your country club is different from most.

I hope you're right but I am skeptical.. Those two racists probably represent what most other members believe, they were just less inhibited from saying so.

I used to think a yacht club I belonged to was different too. Unfortunately I was wrong, so I resigned during the Bush years.... I just could no longer enjoy spending time with a bunch of republicans.

[libtodeath]

19. I am not a member as I can`t afford it

it is a semi private club so when I have a few extra bucks for greens fees I go and play.
I don`t think I would join now even if I could ever afford it.

[speedoo]

25. Well then you have my great respect, sir.

I imagine it was that much more difficult, as a non-member, to call them out.

Well done, stay true to your beliefs.

[Lars39]

37. Are there any golf courses open to the general public near you?

In TN there are public golf courses in some of the state parks, reasonable rates, too, from what I hear.

[DLine]

11. I know how you feel...

I live in the south. Im a big white guy and have a very noticeable southern accent so I guess I come across as a redneck sometimes. Anyway, I guess I look like a southern Republican because Ive lost count of the number of people who strike up a political conversation with me assuming I must hate Obama like they do. Ive also lost count how many times the N-Bomb has been dropped in the process. So when I hear all these teabillies say their hatred of Obama has nothing to do with race, I know its bullshit.

[coalition_unwilling]

159. It has EVERYTHING to do with race. Were Obama white, many of those who hate him

now would be among his strongest supporters.

It's infuriating.

[YOHABLO]

182. So true about white southerners.

It never ceases to amaze me that white southerners will stand there in front of me and spew their hatred, thinking we all have the same opinion, since we're all "white". I think it shows just how ignorant they really are. I commend the guys that pushed back at their ignorance. Many country clubs are fortresses for white bigots.

[JoePhilly]

208. I'm a big white guy from Philly, and this happens to me too.

I grew up in Philly, lived in TX for a few years, and have now in NC for the last 20 or so. As a result, I don't have much of a Phill accent. People can usually figure out that I'm from the North East, but not which part.

I'm a pretty generic looking white guy. Regularly people come up to me and say they think they know me. Or they know my brother. After we determine that they don't know me, I point out that if they go to the mall, they'll pass a guy who looks just like me about every 30 feet or so.

And on a number of occasions, in the right setting, white guys who don't know me will say either racist things, or sexist things, assuming that I'll agree, because I look the part.

This is also part of how I can tell when the GOP is using one of their more subtle dog whistles. And how when they feign ignorance about the racial tone of something they've said, I know its BS. They know exactly what they were doing.

[no_hypocrisy]

13. K&R

I'm proud of you speaking up.

[imanamerican63]

14. They are smart enough to get my response!

Thank you for standing up for him! I was watching tv in a truck stop back a few months ago and a few idiots started saying things! I asked where they heard all the things that were talking about? Amazing how smart they were! They said that they heard it on those goofy old pharts(GOP) news outlets. I asked if they were nieve or just stupid? They got mad a left! The rest of us in the room started to laugh and finshed watching the race in peace and quiet!

[Faygo Kid]

15. As a 60+ white male, I know how you feel.

Assholes just assume you feel that way. Well, I don't, and most of those with whom I went college don't, either. I know they are out there, but how rude! Good for you. Would love to play a round of golf with you and your new friend.

[sobenji]

157. Ditto

Old white guy. Everyone assumes and lets the slurs fly.
Fuck them.

[liberalmuse]

17. Good for you!

Racism needs to be nipped right in the bud, and the perpetrators called out for the asshats they are.

[NJCher]

59. and what's even better

Is that you and the other guy physically separated yourselves from them. In effect, you gracefully "dismissed" them by telling them to play ahead.

People may not think this will have an effect on such thoughtless people, but it will. It might not change behavior immediately, but the fact that others did not want to associate with them because of their racism says something.


Cher

[tblue37]

62. Shunning can be a very effective way to apply pressure to change behavior, because we

are, after all, a social species.

[Cha]

154. Yeah, that was Brilliant!

I'd have to get away, too.

[smackd]

18. actually, in these instances...

...it's not so much that people have those opinions that offends me the most.

It's that they are so presumptuous to assume that regardless of what company they are in, well of COURSE they can use those words, they are sure everybody feels that way. Why would anybody be offended??

ugh. that happened to me once, visiting my dad in east Texas, talking about Austin and how awesome it was, one of his friends asked in all earnestness "so tell me, is it over-run with n*****rs and sp**s like Houston and Dallas?"

i was so stunned i just sat there bug-eyed. the nerve.

[libtodeath]

22. I guess they figured that no average joe played golf

so they were free to spout their hatred.

[FightForMichigan]

21. Thank you

It takes courage to speak up, and the more people who are brave enough to do it, the more who will follow.

[otohara]

23. Tell Someone In Charge

at the CC.
Unless they want racists as members.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

26. Don't shake, vote! Also, country club. Whaddya expect?

[notadmblnd]

27. Was this your first trip ever, to the country club?

[libtodeath]

46. No,maybe play 4 times a year

Greens fees are 35.00 a round to walk so not something I can do very often and before this have always been with people that did not talk like this.
Guess the DNC this week and the desperation romney supporters must feel caused them to lash out.

[jberryhill]

97. So this is a public course, not a country club?

[liberal N proud]

28. Yes racism is still strong

The ignorant keep right on hating anyone not like them.

Glad you stood up to them.

[juajen]

142. The KKK just went underground, that's all,

and their women folk just went along for the ride. Honestly, there are thousands of us Southerners who do not feel that way. I hate that there are bastions of racism left in the South. You would think they would know better by now. Of course, a lot of them are "educated", but we have Southern colleges that are racist too. I won't name them. They know who they are; but, do not color all schools in the South with the same brush.

[johnlucas]

209. Name them. Expose the racist bastions for the good of the country

By all means, name them.
Gotta shine light on the cockroaches or they'll lurk in the shadows forever infesting your house.

I'll assume Ole Miss is one of them. That Colonel Reb thing & all.
John Lucas

[begin_within]

30. If they were there to play golf, as they said, why were they discussing politics?

[Deep13]

31. People who don't call the POTUS a n****r are socialists.

Haven't you heard? I found out that denying the POTUS is a communist makes me a communist.

[kestrel91316]

38. Denying that witches existed used to be considered proof that one was a witch.

These people literally want a return to the Dark Ages.

[Deep13]

42. Only a witch would say that!

Unlike Christine O'Donnell who is plainly not a witch.

[The Wielding Truth]

113. Did you see her on Bill Maher? She is still so deluded and full of herself.

[iandhr]

155. Your right. A history lesson from monty python.

[mnhtnbb]

32. Good for you for speaking up.

[patrice]

33. Ignorance masquerading as merit. Pathetic. Weak. Hollow "men". They disgust me. nt

[Tennessee Gal]

35. You were right to speak up. Good on you!

If more had your courage, there might be less of this type of behavior.

[kestrel91316]

36. I would have given them a piece of my mind and then left the golf course mid-game.

I don't associate with blatant racists.

[coalition_unwilling]

162. The OP had already paid his $35 green fee and was entitled to play out his

round. I think the OP did exactly the right thing in shunning the racists' company but playing out his game.

[heaven05]

39. called

fear of losing the perceived right to entitlement that the robme's have made them feel is their right. Wow, they are losing it. part off it anyway, the other part is your garden variety hate and racism prevalent in a lot of amerikkkans. I do applaud the guy for speaking up for our President anyway.

[datasuspect]

40. i call bullshit

your post reads like a made up story.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

44. Are you kidding?

I've met people just like that. One said, "It's no wonder Obama can't create jobs, what does a ni**er know about working for a living?"

[Blue Belle]

86. And your constant belittling of the OP...

is a convenient way to keep the post kicked to the top, thus encouraging the audience to click on the post and read the word "N****r". What is your point?

PS: OP kicked and rec'd.

[Blue Belle]

90. Bam!

Goes back to the top again. Well played!!

[Blue Belle]

101. You should just say "kick"

you accomplish the same goal and it doesn't make you look like an ass.

[etherealtruth]

112. Best advice s/he could follow

[zonkers]

107. To be fair, that O.P post does read a bit phony

and anecdotally structured.

[Blue Belle]

124. And it's your decision...

to believe the story or not. I don't think that the premise that Datasuspect offered (that the OP just wanted to make up a story so that he could say the word "n****r&quot and his insinuation that the OP must have made the racists feel comfortable enough to say such things warrants a "to be fair" rebuttal. If you don't believe the story you can disagree in a way that doesn't belittle or otherwise instigate a flame war. Just because its in an anecdotal structure, doesn't mean the story isn't true - and you don't know for certain that it isn't.

[spayneuter]

165. It does have a faint whiff of Parlockian aroma...

[zonkers]

227. Parlockian. Very very funny reference.

[spayneuter]

231. Thanks, I have fairly good retention of odd political trivia.

[dixiegrrrrl]

163. thank god he was FINALLY nuked.

Kudos to MIRT.....

[Blue Belle]

168. No kidding...

[kestrel91316]

178. Wow. Finally outed himself after 20k+ posts.

How did he slip by for so long???????

[dixiegrrrrl]

181. MIRT cannot remove a member who has over 2,000 posts --

unless there is a clear TOS violation, then Admin will see it
IF
when an alert is sent, the TOS box is checked,
and
the alert is hidden by jury,
then the alert will go to Admin as well as MIRT.
That usually does the trick.

Trollstend to skate on too thin ice eventually.

or so I understand.

[Major Nikon]

212. Good riddance to bad rubbish

[dixiegrrrrl]

221. oh oh...now has been un-nuked.

and back with us.
(reaching for ignore tab)

[zonkers]

104. Yeah. I think you nailed it about O.P.

[TBF]

105. I think so as well -

I suspect folks at a certain site which shall not be named are having some "fun".

[libtodeath]

50. I don`t care what you think

it happened so excuse racism if you want,not my problem.
Sheesh.

[datasuspect]

52. your rhetorical

gambit is the dead giveaway.

[libtodeath]

60. Piss off

you would probably have said nothing so live with it.
I am done with you,ramble on looking like a fool for as long as you want,bye.

[datasuspect]

61. cool post bro

[Zoeisright]

64. What is wrong with you?

Grow up.

[datasuspect]

69. i am a grown up

i'm a man

i'm the son of a man.

[Chorophyll]

75. "I'm a man, I'm the son of a man?"

Not sure what that's supposed to imply, but if you're an adult, act like one.

[Chorophyll]

79. Nice comeback.

Whatever.

[Lizzie Poppet]

100. A "grown man" who uses chanspeak.

Tell us another one, kid...

[datasuspect]

57. reads like a caricature

bullshit.

plus, if racists were you confidantes, that is the only time they would feel comfortable enough to "go there."

[greyl]

141. "if racists were you confidantes, that is the only time they would feel comfortable enough..."

That is absolutely false.

[Comrade Grumpy]

63. I call bullshit on your calling bullshit. So there.

[datasuspect]

71. that's what you are what am i?

[Electric Monk]

131. pizza?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1240142133#post10

[Cha]

160. Good..it was getting annoying...talked

himself right into the big pizza after 23, 700 something posts.

[davidpdx]

215. 11 hides in one day has to be some kind of a record

Geesh!

[cherokeeprogressive]

89. My first thought was "Whoa, 18 holes on a Sunday and that person is home and posting by 10:30?"

We start at 7 usually and I'm never home before 1 or 2. Also, one can follow or "hang back" but if you're playing in a foursome the four of you will all be on the green at the same time. Most marshalls WILL NOT allow a foursome to become two twosomes after leaving the first tee unless it's a weekday and there isn't another foursome on your heels. Especially if you're playing at a "country club".

And, this person converted a white racist (albeit closeted probably) golfing repub who is now probably going to vote for President Obama to boot!

One. Cool. Story.

[datasuspect]

91. feel free to tell anyone to piss off too

it passes muster and adds to the dialogue.

OP is a caricature and a sidewinded way to get the word "nigger" in a post.

[jberryhill]

93. Agree

[fadedrose]

118. I see the OP as having been posted at 1:29 pm Sunday

[cherokeeprogressive]

128. Post times shown are your local time. I'm not sure where the OP lives.

But even then that means a 7am tee-off at the very latest. To get a tee time like that on Sunday is next to impossible even on a "semi-public" country club course. If it's "semi-public", there are members who get first crack at those times. The other tell was the $35 dollar green fees on a Sunday at a country club. Where I live it's not possible to find anything less than about $60 on a Sunday, and that's on the municipal courses.

There are lots of posts about confrontational situations that just seem to raise my BS flag and this is one of them. Sorry of that offends.

[roody]

103. So what if it were.

It's a great story.

[uponit7771]

150. You can still speak up to the people who do this around you too...k? Thx

[coalition_unwilling]

164. On the contrary, it has the ring of truth to it. The OP did not

hit and run with the post but stuck around for awhile to respond and clarify, at least one mark of veracity. Likewise, the specific details offered (the $35 greens fee, the foursome) also add to the feeling of authenticity. Do you have any evidence upon which to support your allegation that the OP's is a 'made up story'???

What is incredible is that some people still feel they can say the 'N*' word without violating any sort of taboo. Blows my mind.

[spayneuter]

167. See "The Fine Art of Baloney Detection" in Carl Sagan's "Demon Haunted World"

[azureblue]

195. your post

is troll bulls**t

[Skip Intro]

199. I'll back you up. That conclusion became inescapable as I read the post.

Doesn't sound real at all.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

41. One thing Obama proved is that racism still exists.

Before him the Republicans tried to claim things like affirmative action were obsolete because racism didn't exist in America anymore.

[heaven05]

45. yep

bravo to you. Truth will set us free. well some of us

[iamthebandfanman]

43. i probably would have complained to management

and waited for them to come off the course for confrontation..

im sure that country club doesnt want rumors of allowing blatant racism on its course

thats just me tho... and i tend to push things a bit far, im told

ive found most businesses would rather have no association with anything controversial if they can help it... and are quick to remedy those types of issues..
every once and a while ull have a business owner (using a big franchise name) try to put up a political or religious statement on the businesses property they own...
unfortunately for them,they dont just represent themselves when they have a giant sign outside with a corporations name on it.

there are exceptions to this of course, like the recent chic-fi-la deal...
but in doing so, they accept any consequences that come with it..
and trust me, most places DONT WANT that kinda publicity.

i recently had to get CSX/AMTRAK to remove a set of ten commandments someone put up at a local train depot... took almost a month, and they attempted to blame each other a few times, but its definitely gone now.

about to do it to a local radio shack over a political sign infront of their building and on their lot actually... lol...

typically you just have to say things like 'im writing an editorial' and 'is this official stance of *insert name here* ?'

at any rate, you may have missed an opportunity to give the guys at the very least a scolding from management about proper behavior on their course

good job sticking up for your beliefs tho... most people dont when out numbered. takes courage.

[libtodeath]

53. The person at the counter was a very pleasant

20 something year old lady so did not want to appear to go off on her.
She probably is making just over minimum wage.

[sabrina 1]

116. Just ask for the manager, no need to involve the staff as they cannot do anything anyhow.

IF I heard that kind of talk at a golf course, I would write a letter of complaint and follow it up with a phone call. That is how you stop them. When businesses know they will lose money because the racists who frequent their business, they will do something about it.

Frankly all these stories of what people said to racists and homophobes, especially since the star of them is usually the OP, even if true, do nothing to help deal with the problem, other than give someone a story to tell on the internet.

What is the name of the club btw? If it is frequented by racists naming it publicly is one way to force them to do something about it.

[nanabugg]

54. It's not too late. nt

[slackmaster]

47. I would not blame Fox News for that man's ignorance and bigotry

He's probably been that way all his life. I would bet that he learned it from his parents.

[calimary]

70. Never mind! It's a GOOD idea to mention racism and Pox Noise in the same breath.

I think it's a VERY good idea to start attaching the two concepts. Start LAMINATING them together. We all should! Start adding some stink to that brand.

Destabilize the enemy.

AND YES, GOD YES!!!! COMPLAIN TO THE MANAGEMENT OF THAT COUNTRY CLUB!!!! They may be racists, too, or they may be the type that turns its head and looks the other way and puts the whole icky business on Benign Neglect Mode. They shouldn't be allowed to do that anymore! Having and/or uttering that kind of toxin should be WIDELY known and condemned. Would they, indeed, LIKE for rumors to start spreading that they're the Klan Kountry Klub (Hey! A brand new KKK!) or something? That there are racists there who use the N-word with no impunity? There should be a price to pay for that flagrant and disgusting behavior. Heaven forbid it starts costing them membership fees or something...

OUT IN THE OPEN WITH IT! COMPLAIN, libtodeath! COMPLAIN!!!

There should be pain and cost and unpleasantness to suffer in exchange for reprehensible behavior displays like that. HMMMM - does this club actually SANCTION that attitude or that behavior? Is that kind of attitude condoned here? Hmmm - I'll have to discuss this with my associates/partners/company/board of directors/sponsors...

[wake.up.america]

122. I think you're right. In most cases one is taught either to be a bigot or not at an early age.

[noiretextatique]

48. i'm glad you said something...it takes courage to challenge this shit

because many people, even if they are offended, don't want to risk offending. i am black, and once a professor made a racist comment in class. i challenged the professor, and i had to deal with a lot of flack because i spoke up. after class, a few white students told me they were also offended by the comment, and you know what: that pissed me off more than the comment. i asked them: why in the hell didn't you support me? why did you just sit there and let me take all the heat? it's great that you support me NOW, but i could have used some help when it happened. it wasn't just my duty to say something: it was your duty too.

thank you for speaking up.

[Green_Lantern]

88. you described how I feel when I say nothing...

When my family and friends make racist comments or jokes I do call them racists because I don't want to offend them. In the case of jokes I don't want to be seen as the guy who can't take a joke.

Instead of calling them racists I challenge their "facts"; for example I remind them that most food stamp participants are white.

Some of my family says racist shit to bug me.

[noiretextatique]

117. i know what you mean

it took me many years to find the courage to confront people, but i realized i felt so much worse when i didn't. now my feeling is this: if you have the temerity to say racist shit, then you should be able to take whatever comes your way. it's tricky, because sometimes people gang up on you and claim you have no sense of humor, or you're too sensitive, or you took it the wrong way...blah, blah, blah.
but like i said: if you have the gonads to make the comment, you should be man/woman enough to deal with consequences of what comes out of your stupid mouth. kudos to you for at least making an effort

[flyguyjake]

49. Tea Party Repubes

hate everything non-white. I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't secretly funding the KKK resurgence. The most disgusting Americans that walk on our soil. Honestly the hate they perpetuate is no different than what the terrorists are spewing and teaching.

[babylonsister]

56. Thank you for taking such a vocal stand!

Major props to you!

[SunSeeker]

58. The reason they looked at you like you had two heads

is that you're probably the first guy at your club to call these bigots out. I'm sure this is how they've been talking for years.

[LittlestStar]

65. Wow

I am all covered with goosebumps of horror. Who the hell are these people, and how did they end up so sick?

[Flatulo]

66. I got told to go back to Puerto Rico by a cop once when I was younger.

I had long hair and a mustache back then, and my skin is on the darker side, especially in the summer.

The funny thing is, I'm of Italian descent, as was the cop. When he saw my ID I'm sure he felt like an idiot.

Racism is alive and well. It all depends on who is in the room.

[Scuba]

67. Sadly, I see shit like this all too often. Thanks for speaking up.

[HopeHoops]

72. No offense intended, but it's been my experience that most golf people are racist repukes.

I've played golf and enjoy it, but mostly at places like a KOA campground. We take our time. The few times I've agreed to go to a "country club", everything was rushed and it seemed the only issue was not holding up the group behind us - which means not getting time to putt and that's the only thing I really enjoy about it.

The clubhouse bars are always the same - expensive drinks and all right wing bullshit banter. I prefer hanging out with regular people, the kind that don't wear branded polo shirts all year-round.

I'm glad you took a stand against those assholes. I'd have been tempted to deck them both. What the fuck is wrong with those people?

[PatrynXX]

73. Sometimes people think mad= hate.

It doesn't. albeit using racial epitaph is better than repeating what they said. Dog knows that walk and spelling out w.a.l.k. is the same word. just longer.

Think Kirk set that one up on the last TOS movie. If things were go to forward, they have to get passed people like them. Which is where it went from being where no man has gone before to no one has gone before. Good to know 2 idiots managed to change someones mind. Gotta love people like that in the end. They'll lose if they keep putting that pure obvious 100 % racist thing out there. They have the argument if you argue against Obama you must be racist but you use a racial epitaph like that. Kinda make it obvious for those who are simply voting republican because they have always voted republican and they aren't racist and that comes out and someones real morals get in the way.

Bush didn't particularly give a shit how america looked to everyone else thus we lost that WWII respect people had about us. Obama saying sorry for our error in torturing people was for the good of the country, i can't imagine Ann Romney getting kids out during an olympics game. Russia and Iran really want Mitt in there so we fall for a trap. If Israel doesn't fall in first. Sure we had to have a Ron Paul moment. (God was okay but the Jerusalem part was off... thats not the capital. and Burma is a country.. Nuff said. But hope there's more idiots like the above. We'll win Almost Reagan style that way.

[BlueCaliDem]

74. Why does it show "Milestone" on the Latest list, but libtodeath as the author? eom

[roody]

98. A milestone post has reached a certain number

of replies.

[grantcart]

94. WWEMLD?

What would Engels, Marx and Lenin do?

I think that they would be offended at your 'piss off' rejoiner.

[libtodeath]

102. Dont waste your time

this person has lost it,sad to see a person here try to mock racism.

[NYC_SKP]

187. Hey, it beats the hell out of having said "suck a dick"!

I cannot get that out of my head, that now-banned troll's reply to you.

[harmonicon]

198. Who's the troll here, and who is it that's fallen for an obvious troll? (nt)

[titanicdave]

83. I Don't Like to say it but.......

a lot of golfers that I know that play at country clubs have voiced the same type of shit to me so I know exactly what you mean when you say that you are so mad you are shaking..........I have felt the same way.........so I just keep wearing my Obama - Biden T-shirts and let them blow their racist bullshit while under my breath I am using John Stewart's favorite phrase,.....go F**k yourself to them.

[The Wielding Truth]

121. In third grade riding the bus older kids sitting behind me were telling ethic and racial jokes. I

told them in a heated voice that I was Chinese, black, Jewish and Polish and unless they wanted trouble they had better stop it.

Of course I was small and white and everyone knew my family, but it stopped them and I never heard that stuff from them again.

I have always spoke up against this bullying junk. It hurts me to the core. I am all races, all sexes and I respect all harmless creeds. It is in my blood to fight against belittling others for a laugh or a superior attitude.

It is in my human blood.

[freshwest]

125. Very well said, thanks for expressing it so well.

[SmittynMo]

85. I am not suprised at all

I have posted on here over and over how much racism is very much alive in this country. They also think he's a muslim too. You did right by calling them out, but unfortunately, it will not change a thing. I'm willing to bet that 90% of repugs are racist too. It's quite sickening.

[roody]

95. Thanks for speaking up.

I believe it is a good thing that Obama's presidency has unmasked a lot of hidden racism.

[maindawg]

99. there are family and friends

whom I simply avoid. They make my skin crawl. They are all so creepy.I am sure that they only like to be around the kind of liberal whom they can bully and I dont fall into that category so thankfully they avoid me also.

[Gregorian]

106. I continue to be inspired! This is what the nation needs. Personal involvement.

After being on the internet for longer than I can believe, I've know of one or two websites that control how participants behave. They do so by applying direct pressure when and where it's needed. It takes skill and bravery. But I've watched it over and over. And to my amazement, these sites continue to be civil, amongst a sea of incivility on the net.

The same applies to a country, I believe. Americans are almost prodded and goaded into being ignorant. I believe commercial interests are partly to blame. But it's also politics. Basically it boils down to money. An ignorant and uncivilized portion of our society is skating by without being called to defend their pathetic behavior.

There are a few on this forum who have been posting about there encounters lately. I even had a dream I was going to send them personal messages, thanking them. I'm inspired every time I see someone who is brave enough and bright enough to stand up and speak like a civilized being.

Good for you. You're an inspiration for all.

[chknltl]

108. Those two make me ashamed of my race:

The Human Race. OTOH, you libtodeath make me proud to be a member of that race. Without thinking you reacted as anyone of us should have reacted. Sadly not all of us have such courage but stories such as yours do inspire us. Should the opportunity present itself, I will not forget what you did and I will be inspired. When I read every post posted in this thread, I am equally proud to be a DUer, this place rocks!

[proud patriot]

110. I love that DUers speak up in the face of hatred

thank you

[TBF]

111. Sure you did ...

sorry, not buying it.

I know that there is a lot of racism out there - most recently evidenced by the Treyvon Martin murder - but I don't believe this story. Most of the educated republicans I am around (and there are plenty - I live in Texas) would not dare say something like that. The more common theme is that Obama is a community organizer who has never had a job. Which is silly because he was a summer associate at the same type of law firm their own kids would work at, and he did work as a lawyer/professor after law school along with being in the Illinois Senate and the House. His path really wasn't all that different from Bill Clinton's - except Clinton became Governor instead of a rep. But they are very careful about what they say and I'd be very surprised to hear something like this. Among the teabaggers it is a different story - but that is largely a lower income level.

[spayneuter]

170. I agree with you, even in the very very 'red' area I live in, it would be almost unbelievably rare

for someone to just extemporaneously make a comment of that sort, and most especially to people he didn't know well. I don't have enough 'seniority' around here to say what you did, but I think I can agree without risking too much.

[TBF]

174. Well, whether true or not there are many good responses here

so it's not a loss. Racism should be called out when it happens.

[RainbowOverTexas]

186. I dont think so

I've lived in Texas my whole life and I haven't met to many other white males who I haven't heard use the n-word.

[TBF]

188. That's actually a good point -

I grew up in Wisconsin, lived in the Wash DC area many years, and only moved to Texas 9 years ago. I'm also in the suburbs of a large city. I couldn't imagine it happening at the club we belong to, but maybe it is much more common than I realize.

[Raster]

114. And unfortunately, that is part of the climate of this country.

What absolutely amazes me is the following:

(1) The United States is STILL in a world of hurt. President Clinton nailed it: it will take several four-year term with the smartest people in the room working to heal the damage wrought by cheney*/bush*.

(2) Given all we know, President Obama is definitely one of the smartest people in the room, surpassing, IMHO both Rmoney and Ryan.

(3) Racist tones openly permeate many conversations about this election, and race is one of the justifications for a Rmoney presidency.

[wake.up.america]

115. Bad language directed at any person. Why don't you file a complaint?

The club must have some rules governing the behavior of its members.

[Hoyt]

123. It happens far too often. Good you spoke up.

[Daayyummmboi]

126. They get away with it because there isn't enough people like you

......who will call them to the mat. If I saw you in person, I'd shake your hand. Thank you!

[cherokeeprogressive]

129. What was the name of the course and the tee time. I'll call the starter shack and tell them I was

standing close enough to the first tee to have overheard and would like to lodge an informal complaint.

If they're members, they'll be known by what the tee time was. If the place is worth its salt, they'll be sure to let them know.

[egduj]

130. Did you actually say "faux" news?

[Hotler]

132. Racism is alive and well in Amerika.

I tell people that play the racist/socialist card that if Obama is a socialist, that Rmoney and Ryan are Nazi's. They sure get pissed.

[busterbrown]

133. I'm like you

and get really fucked up when conversing with right wingers.
I like your initial reply, however, we need to step it up and
engage them in some political discourse without loosing our
cool.
This guy is great! Its old but I'm trying to use him as a model.
Try to find some more links. I'm computerily challanged.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ConceptualGuerilla.

[still_one]

134. You did good and so did the 3rd person

[Shankapotomus]

135. I would have remained calm

took out my iphone with the pretense of videoing the golf game and recorded every word they said. At the end of the game I would have gotten their full names and posted the racist parts on youtube.

[VPStoltz]

136. And I'm sure there are others who feel the way you do.

Perhaps you should post something on the country clubs web site, or Facebook it, or letter to the editor it.
Hard to say if will do any good, these people have no shame - or brains for that matter.

[indepat]

137. Add the shocking number of blatant racists to the shocking number of closet racists and

you are talking really big numbers, so especially evident here in the racist-thumping Jesus-loving bible belt where Jesus is proudly worn on the sleeves of so many open racists.

[duhneece]

139. I felt the same shaking-mad on Friday

I go to our Senior Center for Zumba classes & occasionally eat there. It is full of right-wing R's idiots, but hearing about a woman formerly of East Germany and her Hispanic boyfriend explain how Obama is like Hitler made me so upset, I felt sick. I HAVE to say something to this woman and I always try to stay civil, calm & centered...and will try when I speak with her. I wasn't there when she shared her sick opinion, but it is SO SICK that, just knowing she said it, I have to respond or I will go stark raving mad.

[coalition_unwilling]

171. Hitler would have had Obama put to death, FFS, or at least sent to a

slave labor camp. OTOH, there are people who will call Obama a 'socialist fascist' without the slightest hint of irony. So there you have it.

[Wernothelpless]

143. Local country club tend to be good ol'boys networks ...

The last time I went to play golf at a local country club with my husband and brother-in-law some creepy old man asked me if I swung my hips like this did it make the ball go one way or the other and he mimicked a woman moving her hips in a suggestive manner ... I was dumb-founded ... put my golf clubs away and left ...

It is an elitist game for pigs ... I'm with George Carlin, "Golf Courses and Graveyards ... dig those mutherfuckers up!" ...

[Bernardo de La Paz]

146. Golf courses are pesticide sinks and a waste of biomass and productive land. Just the thing for 1%.

[oldsarge54]

206. Round Here

In San Antonio we tend to think of golf courses as protection of our aquifer recharge zones. We also keep a close eye on how much pesticide is used. Then again, City Public Services is a leader in leasing solar power to individuals, and we are the home of Mayor Castro. They could be good things. On the other hand, so people looks and attitude would be improved by a light brush with a #five arm.

[RKP5637]

176. Loved it as always!!! George Carlin, damn I miss him! n/t

[DavidL]

144. I believe this story..having played golf a few times

at local country clubs, where the top 1000 rich white people in a community of 50,000 can pay over $2000 a year for the privilege of spending a weekend carting themselves around in a golf cart to swing at a ball.

That's the top 2 % earners or inheritors who think being rich and white is something they accomplished all by themselves, and they don't have a clue about most real issues in America, they are removed and insulated from it by their wealth and privilege.

K+R

[Kali]

145. so you are mad and shaking still, but you went ahead and played the golf?

hard to hit a tiny white ball where you want it to go when you are shaking mad, isn't it? interesting, but good for you to speak up. I will add to the chorus that urges you to complain. Perhaps write a letter to the management of that place and suggest they try to address this problem with members of their facility.

be sure to keep us informed.

[Jellybeanz]

147. Thank YOU!

Thanks from this southern girl, who happens to be *gasp* white. As someone else said, the KKK is still alive and well, it just went underground. I applaud anyone who stands up against such ignorance.

[Vietnameravet]

148. Same here

I was sitting with my sister and brother in law just before the last Presidential election and my brother in law..a doctor in Western Mass..said "this was the Democrats turn to win.. but they had to go and nominate a n*****!"
He then stomped out the room and my dumb ass sister said,."he is not really a racist!"
Later I got an email from my niece calling Obama ..among other things.." Kenyan born, marxist , beige butt, ....dont remember the full email but it was one paragraph long filled with similar invective..

[uponit7771]

152. a doctor!?!?! fuckin wow!!!!!

[Cha]

151. Good On Ya, libtodeath!

It's not just racism..it's stupid ass brainwashed talking points that expose them for having Nothing. Says everything about them and absolutely nothing about President Obama.

[RKP5637]

153. Thank you for sticking up for Obama. I never knew such racism and hatred still

existed until Obama became president, but many people have told me it was all still there, hidden under the rug. I am embarrassed by it and disgusted. So many in the US are often such ugly individuals.

[Vietnameravet]

172. You never realized this existed? Read this

Navy Seal Ben Smith wrote that Obama had used "some bad tan lotion because he looked like an old bruised Banana which made me think that Harry Belafonte was walking out to give his rendition of ‘Day-O' before ‘ole' suck and blow' was to come out and enlighten us with his blasphemous spew."

"You are an Imposter, You are a Muslim (Cassius Clay, Lew Alcindor, Barry Soetoro), You are the Manchurian President and may you go back to the country you were born in when you are deposed you little, little man (and take all your communist sympathizers with you)," Smith wrote. "You insult everything that was considered American. May you and your administration be a lesson to history and your posterity be lost to the rebirth of AMERICAN PATRIOTISM!"

http://bangordailynews.com/2012/08/23/politics/anti-obama-group-leader-ben-smith-rips-communist-in-chief-hussein-mao-bama/

[RKP5637]

175. In the 80's and 90's it appeared to have calmed down some, but what you sent is definitely a

blatant example of how racist some still are in this country.

[spayneuter]

156. That is the coolest thing I ever heard of!!!!

Hey, good for you! I did something like that yesterday...I went to
pick up my Porsche at the local dealer's shop for some repairs to the
turbocharger and when I went to pay, the service guy said "I bet you
no Obummer (that's how he pronounced it) voters have a nice ride like
that, we need to get rid of that Muslim Socialist so us decent folks
can keep our safe and secure lifestyles!"

I said "You probably have no idea what a socialist is, but either way
you're an ignorant bigot for saying those things. You can disagree
with our president but you can't slander him in my presence!"

Another customer was standing there just bringing in his car for some
service and he turned to me and said "Thank you for putting that
jackass in his place, I'll be taking my car elsewhere and even though
I've always been a Republican, you've convinced
me to vote for Mr. Obama!"

I said "Good for you" and told the service manager "I will never come
back to this place and I will be telling the owners why!" He lowered
his eyes, turned around and shuffled away knowing he was suitably
chastised.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

183. lol

[johnlucas]

210. This is what is needed

Thank you for your courage.
I live for these anecdotal stories because it's getting to the pulse of what's going on in everyday life on the ground.
Put the spotlight on the cockroaches I say! Put it ON 'EM!!
John Lucas

[spayneuter]

223. Er, you thought that little story was factual?

Yikes...

[johnlucas]

229. It's a 50/50 chance of it being True or False. I picked True

I got no reason to suspect the story so I treated it as True.
If the poster is just trying to play one-ups, well it's a good story that'll hopefully inspire others to do the same.

These kinds of things DO go on. Some people DO take a stand when it's not socially beneficial.
That's where all the changes have come from.
People protesting the status quo for one reason or another.
Somebody stood up against slavery, stood for women's rights, stood up for the right for gays to marry.

The ones who don't always outnumber the ones who do at first, but the ones who do actually exist.
I take the poster's story at face value.
John Lucas

[spayneuter]

230. I meant -my- little story, I meant it to poke fun at the OP which doesn't pass the most rudimentary

smell test.

[johnlucas]

233. 50/50 chance I said. I know it's the internet but I can't be SO suspicious about everything

It's the internet I know but when it comes to personal accounts either they're TRUE or they're FALSE.
I would rather not be so automatically suspicious of people telling their personal accounts.
If that's the case why read anything?
I have no way surefire way of knowing whether what some anonymous person on the internet talks about is true or not.
So should I automatically discredit every personal account I read & say "You're lying"?

Unlike organized media which have political & financial reasons for lying, regular people only lie to impress or conceal.
Maybe some people write these stories to impress but unless I have significant cause to suspect the story I'll take it at face value.
If it's false, so what? It's a good story that may inspire people to follow in the storyteller's footsteps.
With organized media I have more cause to suspect what I read.

Can't live in a world without trust, spayneuter.
You can easily go through the world mindlessly distrusting everything you see & hear.
But that makes you paranoid.

Trusting is gambling & I played those 50/50 odds & took your story & the original poster's story at face value.
If false, what did I really lose? A few minutes of reading time, big deal.
John Lucas

[coalition_unwilling]

158. Wish we had a badge of courage emoticon to bestow upon you. I don't play golf and have

no idea how it is run, but how did you get stuck with these Yahoos? Is that some sort of golfing thing to make complete strangers play with each other?

[spayneuter]

161. Tiger (cough) Woods...........have you ever been to a PGA tournament?

Thousands of people in person cheer him on ...even in Augusta, the buckle of the 'racist' belt (where he won the Green Jacket FOUR TIMES) and millions all over the world do too. If your experience is true, you won't have any problem identifying the "country club", right?.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

184. don't let facts get in the way of a cool story, bro.

[spayneuter]

224. I am beginning to learn that...apparently satire doesn't work, does it?

[Lilyeye]

166. I appauld you for speaking out.

[Baitball Blogger]

169. Don't know anything about your Country Club,

and I'm not a member in the one nearest me, but if you're in a closed little town, consider yourself just vetted.

[Initech]

173. Excellent. Racists should be called out more on their bullshit.

[JHB]

177. "I'm not a socialist, I just get called one on TV"

[redwitch]

179. Is today Rude Day on DU?

I cannot believe your anecdote has caused so much rudeness. I am appalled.

And thank you for standing up for decency, sorry you have been treated this way.

[Blue Belle]

185. I agree...

It seems bizarrely rude here today.

[WillyT]

191. Some Of The Flotsam Is Within View

[harmonicon]

200. What I can't believe is how many people will fall for an obvious troll. (nt)

[Raine]

180. What infuriates me is this scum thinks they can say that kind of shit and not get called out for it!

Why the hell do they think they can say that shit around others, do they honestly think that is acceptable??? They've damned lucky no one has rammed a fist into their mouth and knocked their teeth down their throats.

[uwep]

189. Older white men are prejudice

I believe that is true. I grew up in the 50's and every other word
that came out of my father's mouth was an ethnic slur. Prejudice
was the norm and it could not help affecting me. I admit that some
still lingers and I am ashamed of it. I try hard to make sure that
it does not influence my thinking. I have been in company of many
of my peers and some do not hold back. I believe that anyone can
see this in the Republicans. Look at their convention and then compare
it with the Democrats. Their arguments against The President are
racially slanted. I sincerely hope that this election is so lopsided that
it will wake up the Republican party, but sadly I do not think so.

[wake.up.america]

203. Older white men are prejudice - Not true. That's a blanket statement.

I know several older white men who are not prejudicial.

[Liberal_in_LA]

190. k&r

[SleeplessinSoCal]

192. I am so impressed with you for speaking up and doing what you did. Kudos!

[Iwillnevergiveup]

194. FORE!

Good on you, lib. We have to speak up as you did each and every time somebody says something so outrageous and ignorant like that.

It took me some time, but I eventually trained a dear friend to stop using the "n" word. I told him other people he may say it in front of will not always call him on it, but that they most likely in the 21st Century would not appreciate it. Also said it's not funny and reflects badly on HIM. I've not heard him say it in a long time, but if he ever slips, I'll remind him it offends me.

K&R

[Gman]

196. Golf is a gentleman's game

There are some things you don't do and discuss politics. These assholes dishonor the game.

[The Wizard]

197. Two thing they really hate

Being called racists and black people.

[rl6214]

201. Disgusting

[PossumSqueezins]

202. Imagine!!! Rich Republican racists playing golf!!!

I am shocked. LOL

That's why I stick to putt-putt. People are nicer.

[nightscanner59]

217. Lol,,, poor republican golfers who maintain the green just to play a few holes

Also betray their racism just as my colleague does. Shame any sport can get stereotyped this way but racism invades every damn where, every which way. I bet these a$$holes would button up playing with Charlie Sifford, Calvin Peete, Jim Thorpe, Nathaniel Starks and Tiger...

[harmonicon]

204. Question one: how much did the shaking effect your golf game?

I imagine you couldn't have played too well, with all of that shaking and all.

Question two: after shaking for hours, don't you think you should go see a doctor?

Question three: if the shaking isn't/wasn't really so bad, how upset and physically disturbed would you have to be to give up $35 and a game of golf?

Enquiring minds want to know!

[Suji to Seoul]

205. Just the words "country club" bring up racist leanings to me, but coded in aristocratic, educated

language rather than dropping "f-bombs" and "n-bombs" every other word.

I expect nothing else. I was a guest of a buddy at his country club in NW Tucson once and when they found out I was Jewish, pretty told me to leave and never come back because "Jews aren't welcome here."

Cost me a friendship because I told the guy to choose between neanderthals or a buddy of 10 years. He chose his country club, I chose to throw him out of my house.

[raccoon]

207. Somehow this has the ring of fiction. nt

[AngryOldDem]

218. Maybe, maybe not.

But I think the outrage, if genuine, would have extended to include more than just one person. **ALL** African-Americans are demeaned by this word -- not only the man sitting in the White House.

[hue]

211. K&R!!! Thanks for who You are & for sharing with us!!

[goodword]

213. Good For You

for speaking up. I think conservatives seem to think EVERYONE thinks like they do. They listen to Limbaugh for so long they're completely brainwashed and are shocked when they run into someone who isn't. Plus, they think ALL white people are going to join ranks and vote for Romney. Newsflash - all white aren't that stupid.

Republicans have become their own worst enemies and haven't even realized it. The hatred and ugliness they have demonstrated over the years has been disgusting. Thank you for speaking up and shooting down at least one of these brain dead fools.

[nightscanner59]

216. Makes me shudder too, and nearly 200 responses just from this post confirms

to us all what "Nobody asked for my birth certificate, they all know I was born right here" was really all about

[parazito86]

219. Spam deleted by Warren DeMontague (MIR Team)

[Raster]

220. And that, plain and simple, is what all the Obama hatred is all about.

Racism. All the postulating, justifying and explanations are just dodges to try and avoid having to own up to the fact that they are racist bigots.

[slackmaster]

222. Next time try going to a public golf course

Country clubs are for country club Republicans.

[ThatsMyBarack]

225. Thanks for sharing this!

I give it the 300th REC!

[1StrongBlackMan]

226. This ...

1StrongBlackMan recognizes another strong man as his brother.

[bluestate10]

228. The fact that the third guy looked stunned is good news in several ways.

Not only did he disagree with what was being, but he will go back and rip what was being said apart in front of his family and friends. His reaction implies that he has not seen such racism among his closest associates and family. So, the pro Obama vote could be multiplied.

[DryHump]

232. Good on you

for speaking up. Brazzzz balls, I say.