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America punished Elizabeth Warren for her competence (Original Post) dlk Mar 2020 OP
america didn't "punish" any one. We simply did not like her chances of winning in Nov beachbumbob Mar 2020 #1
True J_William_Ryan Mar 2020 #4
I'm convinced that we won't have a female president in my lifetime. Initech Mar 2020 #13
The first female POTUS will probably be a GOPer leftstreet Mar 2020 #14
Jeez, that's an interesting thought. HotTeaBag Mar 2020 #15
Both Harris and Warren. Their success was used as a weapon against them. LizBeth Mar 2020 #2
by whom? The bogeyman? beachbumbob Mar 2020 #6
Right bob LizBeth Mar 2020 #8
hey you made the claim. who did them in? beachbumbob Mar 2020 #9
The sexism was so apparent. LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #3
Yes pattyloutwo Mar 2020 #5
so let trump win and see how disappointed you be then beachbumbob Mar 2020 #7
How is this remotely productive? LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #10
SOME women are and many don't see it that way too beachbumbob Mar 2020 #11
Yup, you are what the Atlantic article is talking about. LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #12
Typical silencing technique Reader Rabbit Mar 2020 #16
Its a global problem. LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #17
+1000 smirkymonkey Mar 2020 #18
Not "America"...our party. "America" didn't get a chance to vote for her..becuase we didn't. AncientGeezer Mar 2020 #19
I'd say the "Some Americans" punished Elizabeth. "America" not so much... language matters. abqtommy Mar 2020 #20
This was a Democratic primary, right? Fla_Democrat Mar 2020 #21
 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
1. america didn't "punish" any one. We simply did not like her chances of winning in Nov
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:13 PM
Mar 2020

that was a certainty.

Initech

(100,060 posts)
13. I'm convinced that we won't have a female president in my lifetime.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:39 PM
Mar 2020

The one chance we actually had at achieving that got crushed in favor of a dipshit reality TV show host by a right wing news network with help from two hostile foreign powers. Sigh...

leftstreet

(36,103 posts)
14. The first female POTUS will probably be a GOPer
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:42 PM
Mar 2020

Decades of media demonization of 'liberals' have extra-dirtied the field for Democratic women

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
6. by whom? The bogeyman?
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:23 PM
Mar 2020

victimization is a poor excuse for explaining why any candidate fails. candidates fail because of many reasons.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
9. hey you made the claim. who did them in?
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:27 PM
Mar 2020

how did "we" turn on them based on their success? This is tiresome victimization

 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
3. The sexism was so apparent.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:16 PM
Mar 2020

I'm so disappointed to be looking at a field of old white men and knowing Trump will be the youngster in the race. It is sad.

 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
10. How is this remotely productive?
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:29 PM
Mar 2020

You are mad women perceive sexism in the way she was treated? What exactly are you championing there Bob?

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
11. SOME women are and many don't see it that way too
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:32 PM
Mar 2020

I championing that people decide and when decisions don;t turn out for who support, claiming sexism and playing the victim card creates more harm for women in the future.

Reader Rabbit

(2,624 posts)
16. Typical silencing technique
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 05:56 PM
Mar 2020
I asked a woman and she said it's okay.



Summary: women are not interchangeable

-the other woman might not be a feminist
-the other woman might be sexist, or benefit from patriarchal bargaining
-the other woman might not feel empowered to tell what she really thinks

-making this argument employs the male privilege to choose which woman's opinion is more convenient
- making this argument reveals an attitude that one will choose the most convenient woman to represent the whole of women
- making this argument represents an implied challenge: "[the woman I approve of] has no trouble with $PHENOMENON -- are you [not worthy of my approval]?"

-dismissing any person's opinion by simple contradiction is disrespectful.
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
17. Its a global problem.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 06:18 PM
Mar 2020
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/mar/05/nine-out-of-10-people-found-to-be-biased-against-women?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2FCOVeKqeVthSGze04BsTTIqvnjwXkObuPjn6Y1glmC8kVeN_0jsR-FRU#Echobox=1583408103

"Almost 90% of people are biased against women, according to a new index that highlights the “shocking” extent of the global backlash towards gender equality.

Despite progress in closing the equality gap, 91% of men and 86% of women hold at least one bias against women in relation to politics, economics, education, violence or reproductive rights."

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
19. Not "America"...our party. "America" didn't get a chance to vote for her..becuase we didn't.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 06:35 PM
Mar 2020

My choice was Amy....but I'm in NY so I never got to vote for her before she suspended before NY votes.

All the women(viable) were eliminated by Us...Harris, Klobachar, Warren.....we did that...Not "America" because we are months away from November...where "America" would have a say.

3 highly qualified & capable women were sent packing by Us...and after 2016..I don't get that.
Noooo.... let's do a couple of previous runners(that lost)....maybe they will pick one of the women as a step up....to garner votes.

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