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Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:50 PM

Holeeee Crap. I ventured into The Primaries forum ...

... some over the last couple of days. I have done a fair job of avoiding that the last 6 months or so, but my curiosity got the better of my judgment, and itís time to vote. So ..... I was optimistic. I was hopeful. Well. I was deluded. The circular firing squads have formed, and they are impressive.

All I will say is that republican operatives and strategists could save a lot of time/effort and get high quality opposition research on EACH of our candidates right here on DU.

Lord help us.

And vote BLUE. Shit people. Please.

Admins: I surmised this was a general enough gripe to be acceptable here in GD. Frankly Iím a little scared to join in over there any more than I have. Mean streets.

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Whiskeytide Feb 2020 OP
still_one Feb 2020 #1
Whiskeytide Feb 2020 #5
Dorian Gray Feb 2020 #52
TheBlackAdder Feb 2020 #67
dewsgirl Feb 2020 #2
Whiskeytide Feb 2020 #12
Luciferous Feb 2020 #25
smirkymonkey Feb 2020 #46
dewsgirl Feb 2020 #48
pazzyanne Feb 2020 #54
TwilightZone Feb 2020 #3
xmas74 Feb 2020 #63
PTWB Feb 2020 #70
xmas74 Feb 2020 #71
canetoad Feb 2020 #72
Cary Feb 2020 #4
Whiskeytide Feb 2020 #7
BigmanPigman Feb 2020 #8
Whiskeytide Feb 2020 #10
BigmanPigman Feb 2020 #14
backtoblue Feb 2020 #21
Cary Feb 2020 #17
MontanaMama Feb 2020 #28
Flaleftist Feb 2020 #44
Cary Feb 2020 #85
DeminPennswoods Feb 2020 #6
Gore1FL Feb 2020 #18
OliverQ Feb 2020 #35
DeminPennswoods Feb 2020 #56
Whiskeytide Feb 2020 #9
RandySF Feb 2020 #11
guillaumeb Feb 2020 #13
Mike 03 Feb 2020 #15
Whiskeytide Feb 2020 #57
demmiblue Feb 2020 #16
BKDem Feb 2020 #19
safeinOhio Feb 2020 #20
jberryhill Feb 2020 #22
LineLineReply .
backtoblue Feb 2020 #24
SergeStorms Feb 2020 #37
Whiskeytide Feb 2020 #59
jberryhill Feb 2020 #60
Whiskeytide Feb 2020 #61
lpbk2713 Feb 2020 #23
Ms. Toad Feb 2020 #53
canetoad Feb 2020 #73
Ms. Toad Feb 2020 #75
ibegurpard Feb 2020 #26
MontanaMama Feb 2020 #30
sakabatou Feb 2020 #27
walkingman Feb 2020 #29
TNNurse Feb 2020 #31
ThoughtCriminal Feb 2020 #32
OliverQ Feb 2020 #36
jberryhill Feb 2020 #42
Codeine Feb 2020 #50
mopinko Feb 2020 #76
Codeine Feb 2020 #77
Ms. Toad Feb 2020 #55
Marie Marie Feb 2020 #33
OliverQ Feb 2020 #34
Dem2theMax Feb 2020 #38
Crunchy Frog Feb 2020 #39
Joinfortmill Feb 2020 #40
Dagstead Bumwood Feb 2020 #41
sarcasmo Feb 2020 #43
Whiskeytide Feb 2020 #58
TwilightZone Feb 2020 #64
ibegurpard Feb 2020 #81
lonely bird Feb 2020 #45
mia Feb 2020 #83
yaesu Feb 2020 #47
TwilightZone Feb 2020 #66
AverageJoe Feb 2020 #49
Texasgal Feb 2020 #51
Whiskeytide Feb 2020 #62
blogslut Feb 2020 #65
Xolodno Feb 2020 #68
Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2020 #69
MustLoveBeagles Feb 2020 #74
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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:51 PM

1. more like a cesspool

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:54 PM

5. Well. I was trying to be diplomatic. But I can't argue with your assessment. n/t

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:37 PM

52. It depresses me....

because it's so contentious. It doesn't bode well for us coming together to destroy Trump when the time comes. We must annihilate him. Win this election. But if there's animosity and resentment left over from the primaries, it's going to be ugly.

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:19 AM

67. This is me, when I venture over there.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:53 PM

2. I try to steer clear of it for the most part, almost every Jury I serve

on comes out of there.

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:59 PM

12. Yep. Mine are ALL from there as well. n/t

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:39 PM

25. Yep, it's brutal over there.

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 08:56 PM

46. Same here, and I always cancel.

I want no part of it. I don't even bother to venture into that forum. I find it very upsetting. I am still undecided. There is nobody who I am particularly excited about, but I can't stand to see Democrats at each other's throats.

Cheer on your candidate and vote, but stop tearing each other apart. Why are we so self-destructive sometimes? We have one enemy only and his name is Donald Trump.

I will vote for the Democratic candidate no matter who it ends up being. I may have to hold my nose, but I will always vote for the Democrat.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #46)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:08 PM

48. +1000

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:44 PM

54. Same.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:53 PM

3. It's like that every cycle.

This one, believe it or not, is relatively tame compared to some prior ones. 2016, 2008, even 2004 were pretty brutal.

"All I will say is that republican operatives and strategists could save a lot of time/effort and get high quality opposition research on EACH of our candidates right here on DU. "

They already have it all. If we can find it, so can they. That's why I don't really worry about what goes on here affecting anything. DU is basically a niche website with a specific clientele. We're not going to influence the big picture in any significant way.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:41 PM

63. 2008 was brutal.

I took a 2 year break from DU after it.

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Response to xmas74 (Reply #63)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:54 AM

70. What was so bad about 2008?

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Response to PTWB (Reply #70)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:58 AM

71. Extreme fighting

And many original members quit because of it.

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Response to xmas74 (Reply #71)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:02 AM

72. Yep, I went for a couple of years too

Not so much because of the primaries because, being an Aussie that's not really my business.

There was so much hate directed at Barack Obama by certain elements here. I couldn't stand it.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:54 PM

4. What primaries forum?

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Response to Cary (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:55 PM

7. Nice. n/t

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Response to Cary (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:56 PM

8. The one that is is before the Candidates Group.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:58 PM

10. I thought Cary was being facetious, BP. If not - I hope they'll accept my apologies. n/t

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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:02 PM

14. Maybe it went over my head, which often happens with me.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:26 PM

21. Hehe

You made me giggle


I needed that!

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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:03 PM

17. Cary was definitely being facetious.

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Response to Cary (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:44 PM

28. Cary is a sly one.

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Response to Cary (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 08:48 PM

44. I trashed it too. nt

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Response to Flaleftist (Reply #44)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 07:39 PM

85. Good move!

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:55 PM

6. That forum is definitely for the brave

It's the same with my jury duty, almost all of it from someone alerting on someone's else's post in that forum.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:04 PM

18. And, in my experience, there is a lot of alert-baiting.

I had someone ask me a question that required a response reflective of 2016, then they hit me with a re-fighting 2016 alert/hide.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 08:08 PM

35. They flag anyone who even posts an article about their candidate in a negative light.

 

I had a post deleted just by posting an article about something on Buttigieg. I didn't even comment, it was just an article about part of his fundraising.

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Response to OliverQ (Reply #35)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:53 PM

56. Strikes me as you are both correct

Just seems like a lot of pettiness. Some of posts alerted on for the juries I've been on make me go "come on, man!".

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:56 PM

9. Someone gave me a heart. Thanks. I needed that. n/t

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 06:59 PM

11. Better now than October

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Response to RandySF (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:01 PM

13. Well noted.

This is not a "reality television" movie. It is real life. Viewers will not know the outcome 90 minutes after it starts.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:02 PM

15. It really does change a person.

I avoided it for months but a few weeks ago started wading in there for just one specific purpose on one specific issue, and now I'm stuck in there.

Now I've got that Full Metal Jacket thousand-yard stare and I can't stay out of there.

Even if you're a calm person who meditates and has low blood pressure, you should be forewarned.



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Response to Mike 03 (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:59 PM

57. It DOES change you. After 10 minutes ...

... Iím ready to yell at my kids for no apparent reason. Some people thrive on that conflict, I guess. I see a lot of the same DUers going at it again and again.

We need to do more to promote legalizing weed in more states.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:02 PM

16. I have a lot of people who post regularly in that forum on ignore.

Most of them have been adding to the toxicity on DU for years.

Though it helps (in addition to a few trashed keywords), I rarely go there anymore.

It is kind of pathetic, imo.

And, yes, VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:10 PM

19. Let's just get this straight.

We need AT LEAST 86 million good Democrats to come to the aid of our country. Bitch and moan and whine all you like, but vote for the Democrat on 11/03/20, and bring five friends you trust with you to do the same. No excuses! This is NOT a drill!

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:18 PM

20. Re-trashed

After 24 hrs.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:32 PM

22. BACK THE FUCK UP!!!

 


YOU ARE NOT GOING TO JUST WALK IN HERE FROM GD!

THERE ARE PROCEDURES!


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Response to jberryhill (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:38 PM

24. .

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 08:12 PM

37. Do they have decontamination....

for a person's brain as well? The primaries forum should be a BSL-4 containment facility. No posts should be allowed to escape into the general population. Ever.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:05 PM

59. Has it gone airborne??? n/t?

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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #59)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:06 PM

60. 20% fatality. Easy

 

Worst concernavirus ever.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #60)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:12 PM

61. I'm thinking hidden posts are ...

... analogous to liquified organs. Deadly shit. And the Ro has to be 8.5 easily.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:36 PM

23. It's one big food fight.



Probably 90% of the jury calls I get are for DP.

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:42 PM

53. And usually the one alerted on is replying to one that is worse. n/t

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #53)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:05 AM

73. Oh yes, I'd noticed that

Do you avail yourself of the option, 'Alerted in an attempt to disrupt'?

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Response to canetoad (Reply #73)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:24 AM

75. Occasionally - when that seems to be the situation -

For example when I don't believe the post alerted on falls within the reason for the alert - and - it was a reply to one that clearly did violate the reason the relatively innocuous post was alerted on.

I know the alert may not have been made by the most offensive post - but I figure it was made by someone with similar sentiments to the person who made the most offensive post.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:41 PM

26. Well if you DO venture in there

And I have been... I would recommend trying to push the come together no matter what narrative. I don't think it's as bad as it was in 2016 and many of us didn't have a clue how bad Trump could actually be. We all knew it was going to be bad but this bad?

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Response to ibegurpard (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:47 PM

30. Yeah...this bad and getting worse by the minute.

Holy shit. It takes my breath away sometimes and I vacillate between despair and unbridled anger.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:44 PM

27. Yeah, it's one of the forums I'd stay out of

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 07:46 PM

29. If we lose to the most despicable POTUS in American history because of childishness then maybe it's

time to think about what being a Democrat stands for. Regardless of who is our nominee they are all superior to the alternative - please stop all of the bickering.....for our nation and children's sake.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 08:02 PM

31. Glad I have avoided it.

Vote for the Democratic candidate or understand I think you are a traitor.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 08:05 PM

32. I blocked it in 2016

If I had not, I doubt I would still be a member here.

I suppose it sort of serves the same purpose as the gutter lane in bowling.

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Response to ThoughtCriminal (Reply #32)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 08:10 PM

36. I've contemplated quitting this forum over how I've been treated in DP

 

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Response to OliverQ (Reply #36)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 08:42 PM

42. Everyone has

 

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Response to OliverQ (Reply #36)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:31 PM

50. I was on the edge of being kicked off

DU last cycle because of the insanity in those parts. Eventually I had to stop posting entirely for a few months until the alert-swarming subsided.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #50)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 11:14 AM

76. 17 years here, and i am on the verge of being ffr'd

 

i think that might be more hides this cycle than i have had in the whole rest of the time i have been here. for saying shit about bernie that everyone else is saying out loud now that the voting has begun.

most of the juries i serve on are alerts trying to bury bad news about bernie.

sad shit.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #76)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 11:36 AM

77. So much truth.

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Response to OliverQ (Reply #36)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:45 PM

55. Just don't go there.

It's not worth it.

And thank the Forum Gods that DP exists - because if it didn't, well over half of the threads here would be like that.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 08:06 PM

33. It is disheartening.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 08:07 PM

34. It's an absolute cesspool over there.

 

They hate Bernie with a burning passion and think Trump is 100% guaranteed to beat Bernie, but they think Biden will destroy Trump.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 08:12 PM

38. I went in there by accident one time.

Thought I had walked into World War III.

I steer clear of that forum. I don't understand why anyone would want to go in there and fight.

If anyone wonders why the Democrats have problems successfully overcoming the Republicans, that forum is the perfect example.

Republicans are dumber than dirt, but they all stick together. That is the only lesson we should learn from them. That, and we need to learn to play dirty.
Just not with each other.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 08:13 PM

39. Yeah, I mostly avoid it. I'm still burned out from the primary wars of '04 and '08.

If it's any comfort, I doubt that anything happening in that forum will have any material effect on either the primaries or the general election.

The Rs are likely putting their ratfucking resources elsewhere.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 08:14 PM

40. Amen to that

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 08:40 PM

41. I started lurking here

just a few months before the 2016 election, so I missed out on what appears to have been a knock-down, drag-out fight. Hell, I may not even have noticed there even was a primary forum. But, I've heard the vitriol discussed ever since, and it's become the stuff of legend here. So, when I hear people hear say that it's not as bad now as four years ago, I'm just shaking my head, because it seems pretty horrific now.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 08:47 PM

43. I'm having 2016 flashbacks.

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Response to sarcasmo (Reply #43)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:04 PM

58. I think it's worse than 2016. I wasn't a member ...

... during the primary in Ď08, but I canít imagine it was worse than Ď16.

But I think the shit stirrers have gotten smarter this time. I donít see many getting tombstoned. But the vitriol is just as bad.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #58)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:50 PM

64. 2016 was way worse.

2008, as well. 2004 was also quite contentious.

I do agree with the comment about the shit stirrers. There are some that are painfully obvious, but they know how to skirt the rules to avoid getting banned.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #64)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:56 PM

81. I think 2016 was worse too

And this time I am committed to try to defuse the toxicity wherever I can instead of participating in it.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 08:53 PM

45. Well, let's put it this way...

Carville is right. Unless the Democratic Party removes its head from its ass Donnie the Dimwit will win in 2020. Every single voter in Ca and Ny could vote Democratic causing Donnie to have far less popular votes and he would still win if the electoral college results didnít change. If people donít think other states arenít important they are psychotic. This doesnít mean trying to convince hardcore Trump-addicts. It means getting to independents and those who had buyerís remorse. A good candidate and a damn good strategy is needed for that. This is about showmanship and kicking Trump in the balls, small though they may be, in the general.

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Response to lonely bird (Reply #45)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 07:21 PM

83. Well said.

Thank you.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:01 PM

47. I just use it for entertainment purposes only. nt

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Response to yaesu (Reply #47)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:51 PM

66. lol

That seems like a really good way to approach it.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:25 PM

49. The toxicity is overwhelming

I canít stand all that vitriol. I have my preferred candidate, but Iíll vote blue no matter who!

Or, as we say in Alabama, vote blue, yíall!

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:33 PM

51. Stay out of there!

Come up for air here in GD. There are more level heads here!

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Response to Texasgal (Reply #51)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:36 PM

62. I'm becoming more fond of the Lounge, too. I was ...

... in there for a while last week and was apparently grinning. My wife asked what I was doing and I said DU. She said ďReally? Then why arenít you pissed?Ē

I laughed, but she was right.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #62)

Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:50 PM

65. sigh

Thank boB for the Lounge.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:45 AM

68. I think its a cruel joke that...

...the Lounge, where I go for cat videos, jokes, animal cuteness, etc. is right under it. Can't tell you how many times I accidentally clicked on DP (the irony of the initials) and was horrified.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 01:51 AM

69. DP is another safety valve, venting steam that might otherwise blow shit up. ...

My only wish is that there would be more lifting up and less tearing down. More analysis of how a candidate or the party can unite and do battle against GOPers and oompa-loompah would be a good thing.

The intensity is due, in part, to the desperation and frustration of the dire national and global threats we face. All skeletons will be dragged from every closet and rattled as warnings of doom. Let us try to not make these self-fulfilling prophesies. Restraint can improve our chances of making things better rather than worse.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 02:08 AM

74. It's not for the faint of heart that's for sure

I have a love/hate relationship with it. I'm a regular poster there who has to take breaks to keep my sanity. I'm sure the supporters of other candidates feel the same way. I'd taken some time off and then returned on the day of the Iowa primary. I picked the wrong week to return. Most of the time I can shrug off or ignore the silliness but this last week I was triggered like nobody's business. I'm a Biden supporter and I've been quietly fuming all week about some of the negative posts. A few days ago I finally had enough and I'm afraid I lost my temper a little. That's not like me at all. I hate confrontation.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 11:42 AM

78. Oh its not so bad, just pick your path through the eggshells carefully to limit the alerts, lol

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Response to Whiskeytide (Original post)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:31 PM

79. We need a Yellow Dog Forum

I would vote for an old yellow dog before I would vote for any Republican!

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Response to wcollar (Reply #79)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 05:54 PM

80. so would I!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Wed Feb 12, 2020, 07:30 PM

84. I'm more of the opinion some of that is POSTED by republican operatives and strategists

Vlad maybe has his squad in there too.

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Response to KentuckyWoman (Reply #84)

Wed Feb 12, 2020, 07:44 PM

86. That really wouldn't surprise me. For the Russians, maybe we need to start ...

... asking posters who won the 1937 World Series!

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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #86)

Thu Feb 13, 2020, 10:58 PM

87. Made me laugh

Well needed. Thank you.

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