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Sheriff Richard Vaughan VA says he won't enforce new gun laws. (Original Post) Maraya1969 Jan 2020 OP
Then he should be removed from office BuffaloJackalope Jan 2020 #1
How? nt/ dware Jan 2020 #50
Isn't malfeasance a crime in VA? BuffaloJackalope Jan 2020 #90
Sheriffs have a wide latitude on what to spend their resources on, dware Jan 2020 #95
Do you agree that officers of the law who refuse to enforce public safety laws should be removed? BuffaloJackalope Jan 2020 #99
I do agree, dware Jan 2020 #101
What's your solution? BuffaloJackalope Jan 2020 #104
Where in the world did you get the idea that I'm an advocate for dware Jan 2020 #105
Right. You just chime in with pro-gun nut talking points at every opportunity. BuffaloJackalope Jan 2020 #108
But I didn't say nothing can be done, dware Jan 2020 #109
But nothing that the NRA doesn't advocate BuffaloJackalope Jan 2020 #110
At this point it seems that all you want to do is argue, dware Jan 2020 #111
You replied to me, pal. BuffaloJackalope Jan 2020 #114
I'm not bugging out, dware Jan 2020 #116
You lost, so you're bugging out. BuffaloJackalope Jan 2020 #117
If that's what you want to believe, dware Jan 2020 #119
You can prove me wrong by offering an actual solution, BuffaloJackalope Jan 2020 #125
just wait til the first gunshot victim of that county gets a lawyer.... samnsara Jan 2020 #126
This! The lawsuits should be staggering. SlogginThroughIt Jan 2020 #136
Well, if he wasn't throwing all of his resources trying to apprehend DWB. madinmaryland Jan 2020 #112
Is that what he's doing? dware Jan 2020 #113
What does DWB stand for? WVJoe Jan 2020 #134
Driving while black, dware Jan 2020 #135
Sheriffs are politicians. I'm guessing his is a rural county. Hassler Jan 2020 #2
It is, and a wingnut one obamanut2012 Jan 2020 #53
It is a wingnut place, and one of the most beautiful places on Earth. LastDemocratInSC Jan 2020 #87
Is he a Supreme Court justice in his spare time? lpbk2713 Jan 2020 #3
Then why would anyone have to take an oath dumbcat Jan 2020 #6
He is law enforcement XRubicon Jan 2020 #16
There is discretion at almost every level of justice aikoaiko Jan 2020 #32
Interesting XRubicon Jan 2020 #33
too many wrong choices can lead to unemployment aikoaiko Jan 2020 #35
How will he know what the law means? dumbcat Jan 2020 #37
lol XRubicon Jan 2020 #38
No that's not the way the law works treestar Jan 2020 #124
It's not doing what you want dumbcat Jan 2020 #138
If the question was never decided treestar Jan 2020 #141
Lots of things are not decided dumbcat Jan 2020 #143
Some court will treestar Jan 2020 #144
He should be fired immediately. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #4
ABSOLUTELY!! bluestarone Jan 2020 #5
How does one immediately fire an elected official? Kaleva Jan 2020 #9
So what do you think should happen? Kingofalldems Jan 2020 #10
One can try and educate the voters in that county so they elect a sheriff who believes in ... Kaleva Jan 2020 #15
I would suggest taking away all state funding for his office safeinOhio Jan 2020 #19
Holy crap! No one can. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #12
He can be recalled in a special election or defeated in the next election Kaleva Jan 2020 #17
He's a four term incumbent who won reelection as an indpendent by less than 100 votes onenote Jan 2020 #20
So it's likely his replacement would hold the same views as he does. Kaleva Jan 2020 #22
I think its certain. onenote Jan 2020 #27
Regardless, he needs to be out Blue_Tires Jan 2020 #72
So, unless he's voted out of office, unlikely, dware Jan 2020 #73
When I figure it out, I'll tell you Blue_Tires Jan 2020 #93
Interesting XRubicon Jan 2020 #21
Looks like the Florida Senate placed the sheriff on suspension. Kaleva Jan 2020 #23
Thank goodness. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #25
The governor removed him by executive order XRubicon Jan 2020 #28
Florida Constitution allows it. Kaleva Jan 2020 #31
I looked but couldn't find anything that clearly addressed the question onenote Jan 2020 #58
Probably only for malfeasance or criminal acts, dware Jan 2020 #60
The only way he can be fired is if he's voted out. nt dware Jan 2020 #51
He can't be fired, he is elected obamanut2012 Jan 2020 #54
This F.I.* is obviously a constitutional expert. COLGATE4 Jan 2020 #7
then he needs fired demtenjeep Jan 2020 #8
You mean voted out next election jimfields33 Jan 2020 #11
I thought the legislature was just CONTEMPLATING new laws. maxsolomon Jan 2020 #13
Q: When do progressives become law-and-order martinets? Straw Man Jan 2020 #14
The 7 round provision of the NY SAFE Act was struck down in 2013. n/t sl8 Jan 2020 #34
Not exactly. The seven-round law is still on the books. Straw Man Jan 2020 #122
Interesting, thanks. It gets even murkier, though: sl8 Jan 2020 #123
Yes. it does. Straw Man Jan 2020 #145
LOCK HIM UP. spanone Jan 2020 #18
For???? AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #91
Another republican law enforcement official refusing to enforce the law, MerryBlooms Jan 2020 #24
It was pointed out in another post that the Sheriff ran as an Independent. Kaleva Jan 2020 #42
You really think he's not a republican? MerryBlooms Jan 2020 #46
As an Independent, he's been running against, and defeating, Repubs since 2007 Kaleva Jan 2020 #47
No, you're right, my bad. I apologize. Not enforcing common sense gun laws... MerryBlooms Jan 2020 #77
He doesn't see them(the proposed laws) as you do....the people that elected him.... AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #92
I had assumed he was a Repub also until I read the post saying he ran as an independent. Kaleva Jan 2020 #97
These officials at every level refusing MerryBlooms Jan 2020 #118
So if someone gets killed by a gun? bluestarone Jan 2020 #26
Would sheriffs who uphold the law also get sued when someone is killed by a gun? Kaleva Jan 2020 #44
Well i figure his own statement hangs him! bluestarone Jan 2020 #45
Not the sheriff, the county. SlogginThroughIt Jan 2020 #137
county sheriffs have more real power than federal officials. Kurt V. Jan 2020 #29
our states AG ( I belive thats who it was) said if Sheriff doesnt enforce and someone gets shot.. samnsara Jan 2020 #30
So this LEO won't enforce certain LAWS because he disagrees with those laws. VOX Jan 2020 #36
Being limited to purchasing one hand gun a month? Generic Brad Jan 2020 #39
You go to a gun show ScratchCat Jan 2020 #52
Another scenario atreides1 Jan 2020 #83
It is against the law to WVJoe Jan 2020 #88
Both laws that require evidence of intent and offer a defense of plausible deniability ... marble falls Jan 2020 #94
Well I guess you won't be needing that badge anymore 2naSalit Jan 2020 #40
He cannot "retire from the force" -- he is elected obamanut2012 Jan 2020 #56
Retirement mean many things... 2naSalit Jan 2020 #66
That would be karmic justice. Nt raccoon Jan 2020 #61
If he refuses to enforce the laws, guillaumeb Jan 2020 #41
That would require him losing an election and his voters agree with him AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #48
He very well might know his voters. eom guillaumeb Jan 2020 #96
Since when is constitutional interpretation part of a sheriff's job description? ooky Jan 2020 #43
"Another right wing asshole abusing his office." FiveGoodMen Jan 2020 #102
And the South rose again again again again again again again again again... NCLefty Jan 2020 #49
Fire the sumbitch Blues Heron Jan 2020 #55
He's elected (as has been pointed out several times above) onenote Jan 2020 #57
As has been pointed time and time again, dware Jan 2020 #59
he can be fired! Blues Heron Jan 2020 #65
The only way he can be fired is if he's voted out of office dware Jan 2020 #67
They should fire him yesterday Blues Heron Jan 2020 #74
Wonder how he feels about immigration laws? All those clowns that create sanctuary jmg257 Jan 2020 #79
Apparently the voters don't want to fire him. dware Jan 2020 #98
Code of Virginia 24.2-233 struggle4progress Jan 2020 #62
There's the rub, dware Jan 2020 #64
This is not a heavy lift Cosmocat Jan 2020 #70
How do you know that the Dems in his county don't agree dware Jan 2020 #71
10% - roughly 20% of the dems in the county Cosmocat Jan 2020 #80
+! Only 586 signatures needed struggle4progress Jan 2020 #78
Yep - thanks for doing the math Cosmocat Jan 2020 #81
He got 2943 voters in the November election. His opponent got 2,904. He won by only 39 votes. struggle4progress Jan 2020 #75
His opponent was a Republican who undoubtedly agrees with his position onenote Jan 2020 #129
State of the Commonwealth 2020 Survey Report struggle4progress Jan 2020 #142
So many Sheriffs from different states refusing to enforce gun laws dustyscamp Jan 2020 #63
Cops aren't supposed to be activists. dubyadiprecession Jan 2020 #68
Again, dware Jan 2020 #69
You keep saying this. SlogginThroughIt Jan 2020 #139
So he supports sanctuary cities? LonePirate Jan 2020 #76
Great & obvious point of course - likely 2A sanctuary - which is a thing now. nt jmg257 Jan 2020 #82
Are there any in his county? Kaleva Jan 2020 #107
We applauded sheriffs who refused to enforce marijuana laws (nt) Recursion Jan 2020 #84
Shhhhh... tazkcmo Jan 2020 #106
This is interesting. atreides1 Jan 2020 #85
Wow police ignored a bunch of RWNJs wearing masks and went straight for a nonprotestor wearinga mask dustyscamp Jan 2020 #86
Guessing Sheriff Goober SoCalNative Jan 2020 #89
Refusing to enforce the law automatically disqualifies him. n/t cynatnite Jan 2020 #100
Not according to the voters in his county. nt dware Jan 2020 #103
And yet, Fla_Democrat Jan 2020 #115
That's not his choice... NiteOwl1 Jan 2020 #120
What he's saying that he will not do his job and protect the citizens rockfordfile Jan 2020 #121
City Council should remove him from office. lark Jan 2020 #127
First of all, he is a County Sheriff. And he's elected onenote Jan 2020 #128
Guess the rules everywhere are different, didn't think about that. lark Jan 2020 #130
In Virginia, counties and cities are separate. You live in one or the other, not both. onenote Jan 2020 #132
Under what authority..he's a County officer? AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #131
Wow, so scary.... Bettie Jan 2020 #133
You're Fired for Misfeasance, Sir. MineralMan Jan 2020 #140
Sheriffs are elected officials. Straw Man Feb 2020 #146
And I am a voter. I can vote to fire any elected official. MineralMan Feb 2020 #147
Actually, no you can't. Straw Man Feb 2020 #148

dware

(12,369 posts)
95. Sheriffs have a wide latitude on what to spend their resources on,
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 06:46 PM
Jan 2020

maybe he doesn't have the manpower or resources do enforce those laws, which aren't even laws yet.

 

BuffaloJackalope

(818 posts)
99. Do you agree that officers of the law who refuse to enforce public safety laws should be removed?
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 06:59 PM
Jan 2020

And that not enforcing such laws is not only stupid, but extremely dangerous?

 

BuffaloJackalope

(818 posts)
104. What's your solution?
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:15 PM
Jan 2020

You're the advocate for the insane pro-NRA gun laws we have in this country. Tell us what your proposal is for when shit goes cattywampus. Which - right now - is about every other day.

dware

(12,369 posts)
105. Where in the world did you get the idea that I'm an advocate for
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:20 PM
Jan 2020

the "insane pro-NRA gun laws"?

I myself don't have a solution, and I'm not sure what a solution would be short of banning and confiscation, which is never going to happen and I would oppose any attempt to implement any such solution, as would most people.

 

BuffaloJackalope

(818 posts)
108. Right. You just chime in with pro-gun nut talking points at every opportunity.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:23 PM
Jan 2020

"There's just nothing that we can do" is a popular one.

dware

(12,369 posts)
109. But I didn't say nothing can be done,
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:26 PM
Jan 2020

all I said was I don't have a solution, but I'm quite sure there are things that can be done that I would agree with.

 

BuffaloJackalope

(818 posts)
114. You replied to me, pal.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:32 PM
Jan 2020

And every time you do, you seem to bug out when your argument gets justifiably trashed.

Maybe you should re-think your misplaced gun advocacy.

dware

(12,369 posts)
116. I'm not bugging out,
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:33 PM
Jan 2020

I'm just refusing to be drawn into an argument with you, it just seems pointless.

As I said, you have a great afternoon.

dware

(12,369 posts)
119. If that's what you want to believe,
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 01:32 AM
Jan 2020

then be my guest in your fantasy.

Have a great night and good night to you.

 

BuffaloJackalope

(818 posts)
125. You can prove me wrong by offering an actual solution,
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 08:51 AM
Jan 2020

rather than the NRA-approved response of throwing up your hands & saying "There's nothing that can be done."

You can't do that without admitting the the whole premise of your anti-gun control stance is a lie. Instead you try and pretend others are to blame for your inadequacies.

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
126. just wait til the first gunshot victim of that county gets a lawyer....
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 08:57 AM
Jan 2020

...our state AG said the entire county can be sued if the sheriff didnt uphold the law and that action led to person getting shot.

 

SlogginThroughIt

(1,977 posts)
136. This! The lawsuits should be staggering.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 10:32 AM
Jan 2020

The county might want to explore all avenues of removal ASAP just because they are going to have lawsuits to deal with. Whether or not they lose them you can bet that if there are gunshot victims there will be people suing over a sheriff refusing to enforce those laws.

madinmaryland

(64,931 posts)
112. Well, if he wasn't throwing all of his resources trying to apprehend DWB.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:29 PM
Jan 2020

That is their primary source of income. Racist bastards.

dware

(12,369 posts)
113. Is that what he's doing?
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:31 PM
Jan 2020

Do you live in that county? Do you have knowledge that's what he is spending all his resources on? If you do, could you please post the relevant links?

dware

(12,369 posts)
135. Driving while black,
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 10:29 AM
Jan 2020

poster is accusing the Sheriff of using his resources for harassing AA's without any proof thereof.

LastDemocratInSC

(3,647 posts)
87. It is a wingnut place, and one of the most beautiful places on Earth.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 11:55 AM
Jan 2020

The Grayson Highlands area is amazing.

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
3. Is he a Supreme Court justice in his spare time?
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:16 PM
Jan 2020


How else could he decide the constitutionality of a law?

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
6. Then why would anyone have to take an oath
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:26 PM
Jan 2020

to defend the Constitution if they can't possibly determine what it says?

Words have meaning. I took an oath to defend the Constitution, and I will determine what that means without your, or anyone else's, help.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
32. There is discretion at almost every level of justice
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:21 PM
Jan 2020

Reviewable discretion and there could be negative consequences, but there is discretion.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
35. too many wrong choices can lead to unemployment
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:26 PM
Jan 2020

From the lowest officer deciding not to give someone a speeding ticket to the president of the country ordering deferred action.

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
37. How will he know what the law means?
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:41 PM
Jan 2020

Will a Supreme Court Justice be at his side in every case to tell him what every word means and how it is to be interpreted?

Do words have meanings?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
124. No that's not the way the law works
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 08:19 AM
Jan 2020

That's like Kim Davis refusing to issue a marriage license to gay couples.

Just doing what you want, not what the law is, abuses the power you've been given.

That's what the Dotard does.

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
138. It's not doing what you want
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 10:41 AM
Jan 2020

It's doing what you believe the words in the law mean. Do you see the difference?

If you don't have a Supreme Court Justice at your side to interpret the words of the law for every specific instance, you have to go with what you believe the words mean. Yes, people can differ over what words mean, even words in common usage, much less legalese. Thus, we have lawyers and courts.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
141. If the question was never decided
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 12:41 PM
Jan 2020

Kim Davis decided to enforce the law the way she wanted, perfectly aware of what the Supreme Court said. You would not want cops to enforce the law the way they interpreted the Bill of Rights for themselves.

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
143. Lots of things are not decided
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 02:41 PM
Jan 2020

Let's take another approach. I took an oath ... "I ___, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion;..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Uniformed_Services_Oath_of_Office


I have copies of the Constitution. I've read it all my life. I'm educated. I can read the words. I can interpret them as well as any other citizen. Who is going to tell me, on a day by day and case by case basis, that I am wrong in any of my given interpretations?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
144. Some court will
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 05:28 PM
Jan 2020

The constitution is not the law all by itself.

Again, would you let cops do that? Maybe they interpret the 4th Amendment to allow they have probable cause whenever they think so.

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
15. One can try and educate the voters in that county so they elect a sheriff who believes in ...
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:44 PM
Jan 2020

sensible gun control laws.

onecaliberal

(32,852 posts)
12. Holy crap! No one can.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:42 PM
Jan 2020

The original logic was that many police chiefs are community employees. According to the National Sheriffs Association that means, “who owe their allegiance to a city”. That begs the question, “Who do Sheriffs serve?”. The answer is that the position of Sheriff has become a lucrative, self serving position of power. A sheriff can bend the law in your favor, bend the law against you, or simply break the law either way. Who is their oversight? Who can fire a sheriff?

No one. No one.

A sheriff is untouchable unless a criminal case is brought against him by the community prosecutor. This happens more than you can imagine. The fact is that sheriff’s have no oversight. They have no one to make them walk the line.

Recent crooked sheriffs like :

Joe Aripiao, (Maricopa, Arizona, County Sheriff) who mistreats inmates in the prisons in his county, arrests people of Spanish decent without cause, and runs raids to round up people of color. (Joe is an example of a bad community supporting a crooked sheriff.)

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
17. He can be recalled in a special election or defeated in the next election
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:46 PM
Jan 2020

But neither will happen if he has the support of a large portion of the voters.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
20. He's a four term incumbent who won reelection as an indpendent by less than 100 votes
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:51 PM
Jan 2020

But don't get too excited. His opponent was a Republican. And Grayson County is deep red: Hillary got less than 20 percent of the vote there in 2016.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
72. Regardless, he needs to be out
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:23 AM
Jan 2020

and I don't particularly care if they find a worse redneck to replace him, since I don't have to live there.

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
23. Looks like the Florida Senate placed the sheriff on suspension.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:05 PM
Jan 2020

I don't know if Virginia has the same laws as Florida

"The Florida Constitution gives the governor power to suspend public officials for “malfeasance, misfeasance, neglect of duty.” Governors routinely remove public officials who are arrested or charged with crimes, but it is unusual to remove an officeholder who does not face criminal charges."

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fl-ne-ron-desantis-scott-israel-decision-20190110-story.html

onenote

(42,700 posts)
58. I looked but couldn't find anything that clearly addressed the question
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 09:30 AM
Jan 2020

That doesn't meant there isn't something in the Virginia statutes and/or Constitution that provides for the removal of an elected official -- but I didn't see it during my relatively cursory review.

Straw Man

(6,624 posts)
14. Q: When do progressives become law-and-order martinets?
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:43 PM
Jan 2020

A: When the issue is gun control.

Similar things have happened in many rural NY counties, where, since 2013, one could theoretically be arrested for having more than seven rounds in a pistol magazine that has a capacity of ten.

Straw Man

(6,624 posts)
122. Not exactly. The seven-round law is still on the books.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 03:38 AM
Jan 2020

There was one ruling against it by one judge, which was subsequently upheld by another. However, the overall picture is still murky:

https://www.timesunion.com/local/article/State-Police-guide-amended-to-ignore-seven-round-5355959.php

It's likely that any arrest would end up in a dismissal of charges, but the arrest itself would be sufficient in some jurisdictions to merit suspension or revocation of one's pistol permit.

sl8

(13,749 posts)
123. Interesting, thanks. It gets even murkier, though:
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 08:12 AM
Jan 2020

Last edited Wed Jan 22, 2020, 09:05 AM - Edit history (1)

That article was written in 2014 while the case was still under appeal.

In 2015, the 2d. Cir. agreed that the 7 round provision was invalid.
PDF: https://www.nysrpa.org/files/SAFE/NYSRPA_v_Cuomo_2CDecision.pdf


According to the following article from November 2018, the NY State Police resumed enforcement of the 7 round provision, despite the 2 Federal court decisions. I don't know if that's true in practice. Would like to find some corroboration. The article does provide good background info.

https://buffalonews.com/2018/11/19/amid-confusion-part-of-safe-act-will-stop-being-enforced-in-erie-county/
Amid confusion, part of SAFE Act will stop being enforced in Erie County

-----------------------------------------

On edit, more about enforcement of 7 round limit:

https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/local/prosecutor-nysp-statements-differ-on-ny-safe-enforcement/71-9a8e9956-abfa-4fa1-88e1-f5a383dbd356

Prosecutor, NYSP Statements Differ on NY SAFE enforcement
Niagara County's D.A. will follow Erie County's lead, and not pursue charges against those arrested under part of the Safe Act. However, there is a discrepancy between how she says state police are looking at the law, and how they say there are actually handling it.

Author: Dave McKinley
Published: 7:02 PM EST January 4, 2019
Updated: 7:10 PM EST January 4, 2019

New York State Police say that contrary to the claim made by the Niagara County District Attorney in a news release, they are not arresting people and charging them under a section of the state’s gun control laws which a judge struck down as unconstitutional.

[...]

Contacted by phone in Albany, New York State Police Public Information Officer Beau Duffy told WGRZ-TV that state police had not resumed charging people under the section of NYSAFE in question, and that it had not done so since Judge Skretny’s ruling was upheld by a federal appeals court in 2015.

[...]

Despite the court’s ruling, the law regarding the seven round limit remains on the books under section 265.37 of the NY Penal Code.

State lawmakers have never removed it which means, technically, someone could still be arrested under that section of the law.

[...]



More at link.

MerryBlooms

(11,769 posts)
24. Another republican law enforcement official refusing to enforce the law,
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:07 PM
Jan 2020

republicans refusing to obey subpoenas, senate republican kangaroo court, republicans mobbed up, russians buying elections, russians hacking our elections with republicans aiding and abetting, republican president wiping his ass with our Constitution, entire republican party wiping their asses with our Constitution... It's fookin anarchy. Fookin wankers are stripping our country of our rights in every way, except their fookin wet dreams of buying guns. Selling our precious lands to the highest republican bidder, republican private prisons for slave labor, precious children locked cages by republicans and mocked by republicans, these craven rat bastard republicans are raping our country with every stroke of their pens. I have no idea who or what can save us.

What's next? If that fucker is re-elected, all bets are off.

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
42. It was pointed out in another post that the Sheriff ran as an Independent.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 09:00 PM
Jan 2020

He beat his Repub opponent by 100 votes in the last election.

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
47. As an Independent, he's been running against, and defeating, Repubs since 2007
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 08:06 AM
Jan 2020
https://historical.elections.virginia.gov/elections/view/31507/

"Sheriff plans to run for second term

There was little doubt that Grayson Sheriff Richard Vaughan would seek re-election, but the independent incumbent has made it official.
By Staff Reports
Wednesday, March 9, 2011 at 7:00 am (Updated: March 9, 7:58 am)

INDEPENDENCE — Grayson County Sheriff Richard A. Vaughan has announced that he will seek re-election this November.
Vaughan, an independent whose first four-year term ends in December, will likely face a challenge from former Grayson deputy Mark Burnett, who is seeking the Republican nomination."

https://www.galaxgazette.com/content/sheriff-plans-run-second-term

Do you have any evidence that shows Vaughan is a Republican?

MerryBlooms

(11,769 posts)
77. No, you're right, my bad. I apologize. Not enforcing common sense gun laws...
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:54 AM
Jan 2020

Doesn't make me feel any better that he's an independent.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
92. He doesn't see them(the proposed laws) as you do....the people that elected him....
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 01:41 PM
Jan 2020

...don't either.
Who does he answer to? What you think is "common sense" or what his voters think is Constitutional?
It's going to be a protracted Court deal...if Va. actually passes/implements the proposed Bills.

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
97. I had assumed he was a Repub also until I read the post saying he ran as an independent.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 06:57 PM
Jan 2020

Given his stand on gun control and the fact that independents holding office aren't that common.

MerryBlooms

(11,769 posts)
118. These officials at every level refusing
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:56 PM
Jan 2020

to enforce laws, subpoenas, court orders... Is very disturbing. Virginia is taking some positive steps forward. I'd like to see them continue on their path. Thanks for the information and setting me straight, I appreciate it.

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
30. our states AG ( I belive thats who it was) said if Sheriff doesnt enforce and someone gets shot..
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:14 PM
Jan 2020

Last edited Wed Jan 22, 2020, 08:55 AM - Edit history (1)

..the victim can sue the entire county...cuz a few maggot-sherriffs here in my state said same thing.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
36. So this LEO won't enforce certain LAWS because he disagrees with those laws.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:32 PM
Jan 2020

Then he should run for congress, as clearly he’s in the wrong line of work, if he cannot enforce laws on the books because he doesn’t like them.

What an insane world.

Generic Brad

(14,274 posts)
39. Being limited to purchasing one hand gun a month?
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:45 PM
Jan 2020

How is being able to buy 12 handguns in a one year period taking away their guns? Who the fuck needs 12 hand guns in a single year? Not one of those protesters is pissing away their own money on such an unnecessary purchase.

Do they even know what they are protesting?

ScratchCat

(1,988 posts)
52. You go to a gun show
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 09:18 AM
Jan 2020

And there are two guns you want. Like going to Dick's and buying two golf clubs.

No, its not "taking away" anyone's guns, its just silly.

atreides1

(16,076 posts)
83. Another scenario
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 11:28 AM
Jan 2020

You go to a gun show and buy 15 hand guns and then sell them to someone else...without background checks for all gun sales and no laws requiring the reporting of lost or "stolen" guns...you just made a profit and you don't really give a tinker's damn that one of those guns was used to kill a 3 year old child on a playground...

 

WVJoe

(16 posts)
88. It is against the law to
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 11:56 AM
Jan 2020

It is against the law to buy a gun with the intention of reselling it. It is also against the law to knowingly sell a gun to a prohibited person.

marble falls

(57,080 posts)
94. Both laws that require evidence of intent and offer a defense of plausible deniability ...
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 04:09 PM
Jan 2020

as evidenced by those who sell at gun shows who have no official gun business and show week after week with more stock. If private sales aren't documented, how are those laws enforced?

I know because I go to our local gun show every month.

Besides aren't these laws you are against? They certainly are laws the morons in VA are against.

2naSalit

(86,579 posts)
40. Well I guess you won't be needing that badge anymore
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:54 PM
Jan 2020

and retirement from the force should come swiftly for you.

And watch the irony when in six months he ends up a casualty of a mass shooting.

2naSalit

(86,579 posts)
66. Retirement mean many things...
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 09:58 AM
Jan 2020

in this case his not being a part of the corps can come in many ways.

ooky

(8,922 posts)
43. Since when is constitutional interpretation part of a sheriff's job description?
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 09:01 PM
Jan 2020

Another right wing asshole abusing his office.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
102. "Another right wing asshole abusing his office."
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:09 PM
Jan 2020

And they will continue to do that unless and until we punish them.

Blues Heron

(5,931 posts)
55. Fire the sumbitch
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 09:24 AM
Jan 2020

post haste

buh bye

These goobs just can't seem to transition into the 21st (or even 20th) century very well. Probably too much Fux news

dware

(12,369 posts)
59. As has been pointed time and time again,
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 09:33 AM
Jan 2020

he can't be fired, he's an elected official and he's doing what his constituents want so he'll probably be re-elected.

dware

(12,369 posts)
67. The only way he can be fired is if he's voted out of office
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:01 AM
Jan 2020

by the voters in his county, and that's not going to happen, he's doing what the voters of his county want him to do.

I suggest you look up the role of Sheriffs in the US.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
79. Wonder how he feels about immigration laws? All those clowns that create sanctuary
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:59 AM
Jan 2020

communities should be fired!

struggle4progress

(118,282 posts)
62. Code of Virginia 24.2-233
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 09:39 AM
Jan 2020

Removal of elected .. officers by courts

Upon petition, a circuit court may remove from office any elected officer .. residing within the jurisdiction of the court:

1. For neglect of duty, misuse of office, or incompetence in the performance of duties when that neglect of duty, misuse of office, or incompetence in the performance of duties has a material adverse effect upon the conduct of the office ...

The petition must be signed by a number of registered voters who reside within the jurisdiction of the officer equal to ten percent of the total number of votes cast at the last election for the office that the officer holds ...
https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title24.2/chapter2/section24.2-233/

dware

(12,369 posts)
64. There's the rub,
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 09:46 AM
Jan 2020

I highly doubt that the voters of his jurisdiction will sign anything to have him removed, it would seem that's what the voters of his county want him to do.

I read somewhere that he's pretty popular in his county and will most certainly be re-elected.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
70. This is not a heavy lift
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:08 AM
Jan 2020

Signatures on a petition from 10% of the total who voted in his or her election - would take some organization and work, but there surely are enough democrats in the district who would sign.

Put it front of the courts to sort out.

Would need a situation where it was documented that he chose to ignore the law.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
80. 10% - roughly 20% of the dems in the county
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:59 AM
Jan 2020

Absolutely certain there are enough who would sign a petition to deal with this clown if he refuses to enforce the law.

struggle4progress

(118,282 posts)
75. He got 2943 voters in the November election. His opponent got 2,904. He won by only 39 votes.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:52 AM
Jan 2020
https://www.elections.virginia.gov/2019-election-results/

Click November 5, 2019 General and Special Elections
then select RESULTS BY LOCALITY
then GALAX CITY and scroll down to SHERIFF



onenote

(42,700 posts)
129. His opponent was a Republican who undoubtedly agrees with his position
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 09:51 AM
Jan 2020

Hillary got less than 20 percent of the votes in Grayson County.

struggle4progress

(118,282 posts)
142. State of the Commonwealth 2020 Survey Report
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 01:58 PM
Jan 2020

December 16, 2019

... One of the central issues in the November elections was gun control, and Virginia voters are firmly in support of further restrictions. The most widely supported restriction is making private gun sales and sales at gun shows subject to background checks (Q12A), with 86% of voters saying they support or strongly support that measure. Three-fourths (76%) of voters oppose or strongly oppose allowing a person who legally owns a gun to conceal carry that weapon without a permit (Q12C), while 73% say they support a “red flag” law allowing a family member or the police to seek a court order to temporarily take guns (Q12D) from legal gun owners judged to be a threat to harm themselves or others. While a majority of 54% of voters support a ban on assault-style weapons, this measure has the highest opposition, with 42% saying they oppose or strongly oppose such a ban (Q12B) ...

https://cnu.edu/wasoncenter/surveys/2019-12-16/

dware

(12,369 posts)
69. Again,
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 10:05 AM
Jan 2020

a Sheriff can't be fired, he's an elected official, he can be voted out of office, but that's unlikely in this case, he's doing what the voters of his county want him to do and he'll most likely be re-elected.

 

SlogginThroughIt

(1,977 posts)
139. You keep saying this.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 10:48 AM
Jan 2020

You keep saying this but you haven’t actually verified it at all. You are spreading ignorance and for some reason you are doing it vehemently. As was pointed out by another poster who looked it up (thanks for that) he can be removed by way if petition and the courts.

Now whether or not it is likely to happen is another ball of wax but you’ve gone on and on telling everyone they are wrong and you have neglected to make sure that you are right.

atreides1

(16,076 posts)
85. This is interesting.
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 11:41 AM
Jan 2020
https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title24.2/chapter2/section24.2-233/


"Upon petition, a circuit court may remove from office any elected officer or officer who has been appointed to fill an elective office, residing within the jurisdiction of the court:

1. For neglect of duty, misuse of office, or incompetence in the performance of duties when that neglect of duty, misuse of office, or incompetence in the performance of duties has a material adverse effect upon the conduct of the office;"

Fla_Democrat

(2,547 posts)
115. And yet,
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:33 PM
Jan 2020

my life isn't going to be affected one iota. I'm guessing all the residents in his county sounding off here should get to the polls come November, or when ever his next election is.





 

NiteOwl1

(87 posts)
120. That's not his choice...
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 02:03 AM
Jan 2020

He should be fired immediately. Outlaws have no place in law enforcement. He has no credibility as an officer of the law.

lark

(23,097 posts)
127. City Council should remove him from office.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 09:44 AM
Jan 2020

He is refusing to support the law, out he goes, on his head.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
128. First of all, he is a County Sheriff. And he's elected
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 09:49 AM
Jan 2020

The County didn't hire him and they don't have the power to remove him.

Plus, they wouldn't be inclined to anyway since I'm quite confident that every elected official in Grayson County (as red as they come) agrees with his stance.

lark

(23,097 posts)
130. Guess the rules everywhere are different, didn't think about that.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 09:52 AM
Jan 2020

Here a sheriff is elected as well, but can be removed for cause by City Council with 2/3 vote. Our city is the entire county, so there is no difference between the 2.

Bettie

(16,095 posts)
133. Wow, so scary....
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 09:56 AM
Jan 2020

Background checks, on all gun sales, with exemptions for transfers by close family members and estates. Oooh, scary!

A limit on the number of handguns one may purchase (one per month...if you can't function with only twelve new guns a year, you've got a serious issue). There are also exemptions on this one.

So, what do these gun nuts want? A free-for-all old west fantasy world where they get to go out and shoot that kid that steps on their lawn on the way home from school, that old lady who butts in front of them in the checkout at the grocery store, and that cop who dares to stop them for speeding or drunk driving?

And don't forget shooting your kid in the head while playing with him...good times. https://abcnews.go.com/US/father-year-son-shot-head-play-wrestling-mans/story?id=68419321

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
140. You're Fired for Misfeasance, Sir.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 11:15 AM
Jan 2020

Your job is to enforce the laws of your state. You have stated that you will not do so. You are dismissed.

Straw Man

(6,624 posts)
148. Actually, no you can't.
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 02:31 AM
Feb 2020

When the next election comes around, you can vote for someone else to occupy the position. Removing someone from office during their term requires impeachment, which is generally not conducted by open referendum.

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