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Lev turns over tapes of Giuliani and trump to the House Intelligence Committee.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/lev-parnas-handed-over-tapes-of-trump-and-giuliani-to-the-house-intelligence-committee-917769/
getagrip_already
(14,676 posts)ABC News also reported that some of the information the House Intel Committee wants is in possession of the Southern District of New York which has not yet been turned over. Giuliani is also under investigation by the Southern District of New York over his alleged involvement in a plot to remove then-ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch, who testified to the impeachment inquiry last week..
Add to that the wh recent statement that some of the parnas material is classified, and it paints a frustrating picture of why we haven't seen it yet.
The big question: did the house managers include them in the evidence dump?
onecaliberal
(32,811 posts)To make sure the House has all of the evidence for the House Intel Committee before the articles went to the Senate.
Edit to add: they meaning Lev and his attorney.
getagrip_already
(14,676 posts)If the wh threw claims of natsec at them and classified them, the house might not release them publicly. They may also have concerns they are real.
Lots of reasons they may not be used. Not the least of which is they really don't prove much other than trump talked to lev.
onecaliberal
(32,811 posts)So far everything Lev has released publicly checks out with documents. Lev is in a world of trouble.
What the House will do with the information is anyones guess right now. I dont see them making anything public. I think theyre holding it close to the vest until they see what kind of circus #MoscowMitch has in mind for the senate trial
calimary
(81,179 posts)My husbands actually been worried about that.
I tell him even if the worst were to happen, Lev still left one helluva paper trail behind, not to mention the Maddow interview.
onecaliberal
(32,811 posts)dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)onecaliberal
(32,811 posts)dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)been better than a yr of WaPo, NYT bombshells.
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)regard to the possibility of tapes found at Michael Cohen's homes and office.
There could be enough damning material that Ken Burns will compile as another 2+ year project.
Lordy, just convict the orange mofo and send his ass to Gitmo.
DarleenMB
(408 posts)Grins
(7,203 posts)Quackers
(2,256 posts)Wawannabe
(5,641 posts)LAS14
(13,777 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,179 posts).
Windows Defender had nothing to trip.
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Hoyt
(54,770 posts)enough
(13,255 posts)C_U_L8R
(44,996 posts)if they don't allow evidence and witnesses.
safeinOhio
(32,656 posts)insurance policy than Rudy.
onecaliberal
(32,811 posts)Jersey Devil
(9,874 posts)OK, maybe he can prove Trump was lying when he said he didn't know Parnas, but I bet these tapes have nothing to do with what Trump or Rudy might have said about Ukraine
onecaliberal
(32,811 posts)onenote
(42,660 posts)The report was that Parnas turned over "audio, video and photos that include Giuliani and Trump". We know that there were voicemails and those have been released. Nothing about "tapes." And the description of what Parnas turned over is ambiguous. It doesn't necessarily mean that Trump and Giuliani are in audio, video and photos. It could just mean that they are in some of those items.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)We know they have evidence...
The Senate won't allow this evidence even though it CLEARLY shows a crime.
After the Senate trial, release the evidence publicly, which not only clearly shows Trump's crime but shows McConnell's obstruction crimes as well and it's a slam dunk before the election.
pwb
(11,258 posts)The pukes are squirming and it feels great to know that.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)onenote
(42,660 posts)There is no reason for them to hold back relevant information. They released texts, notes, photos, videos, and voicemails. Anything that was significant has been released. I doubt very much that there are "tapes" -- just voicemails. And not with Trump. If there were such things, and they were give to the committee in November, they'd have been released by now.
People are grasping at straws imo.
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)Botany
(70,479 posts)onecaliberal
(32,811 posts)Botany
(70,479 posts)So the Republicans and the White House blocked this Parnas stuff until after the House
Intel Committee had its hearings and the House voted on impeachment and so their
strategy now is to say that the dem's case is too weak w/out this new evidence.
onetexan
(13,033 posts)With the WH, meaning this is a concerted effort to quickly shut down the senate trial & dismiss it as a Dem witch hunt so all the evidence is squashed.
Mcconnell is one of 2 dangerous traitors enabling the takeover by fascism of this country.
bluestarone
(16,894 posts)I think the Dems. can force a vote. If the rethugs support their leader then it's over! ( which they WILL i'm sure)
doc03
(35,321 posts)Vinca
(50,249 posts)33taw
(2,439 posts)PatrickforO
(14,566 posts)Well, we can count on the GOP trying to withhold them.
But they will come out.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)yeah.
WhiteTara
(29,699 posts)LeftTurn3623
(628 posts)make copies
onenote
(42,660 posts)The ABC report in November stated that "The material submitted to the committee includes audio, video and photos that include Giuliani and Trump." That could be read a couple of ways and does not necessarily indicate that Giulian and Trump were featured in audio, video, and photos -- i could be that they are in audio, video, and/or photos.
That seems most likely since if there were recordings of Trump, the Intelligence Committee would not have sat on them since November. The audio seems to be voicemails and those have been released.
Folks expecting some bombshell audio tapes probably are going to be disappointed.
stopdiggin
(11,285 posts)C Moon
(12,212 posts)The evidence will hurt Trump's chances in 2020, but they are banking on more help from their supreme leader, Putin, on that front.
monmouth4
(9,691 posts)C Moon
(12,212 posts)monmouth4
(9,691 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)IMO, he should upload all of it online for all to hear, they are not classified. He is afraid for his life so must go all public.
scrabblequeen40
(334 posts)and go on a media tour.
stopdiggin
(11,285 posts)and that is determined by the executive -- that's a one way ticket to jail (which might be in the cards anyway -- but I believe he and his lawyers are angling AGAINST that outcome)
(you though that Lev Parnas was some kind of freedom fighter? HaHaHaHaHa. Sorry.)
onecaliberal
(32,811 posts)stopdiggin
(11,285 posts)and I'm NOT entirely sure what that says as far as a "classified" status.
onecaliberal
(32,811 posts)CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)onecaliberal
(32,811 posts)Gothmog
(145,046 posts)Nitram
(22,776 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)TruckFump
(5,812 posts)Hopefully!
And, IMO, that is what could set people against Trump.