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applegrove

(118,634 posts)
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:40 PM Jan 2020

Why Are Militia Groups Descending on Virginia?

Why Are Militia Groups Descending on Virginia?

Groups are warning of gun grabs and internet blackouts. In reality, the new gun measures are widely supported by Virginians.

By DAVID J. TOSCANO at Slate

JAN 18, 20201:22 PM

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/01/militia-richmond-virginia-gun-rally.html

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Since the fall election, the rhetoric around guns in Virginia has dramatically intensified. Memes appeared on the internet claiming that Democratic Gov. Ralph Northam was going to shut down the internet, cut off utilities, and seize guns. Since November 2019, more than 100 counties, cities, and towns in Virginia have declared themselves “Second Amendment sanctuaries” and have vowed to oppose any new restrictions on guns which they deem to be unconstitutional. Some proponentshave even resurrected words like nullification and interposition, terms first used extensively by Southern secessionists prior to the Civil War and more recently during the “massive resistance” to federal laws requiring desegregation in the 1960s. Gun groups became further incensed in December when Democratic Congressman Donald McEachin suggested that if people did not follow the law, Northam should use the state’s National Guard to make them do so.

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Despite the rhetoric about gun confiscation and governmental overreach, most of the measures proposed by Democrats are widely supported by Virginians. A December poll indicated that universal background checks, one of the first measures that will be enacted, are supported by 86 percent of Virginia voters. A bill that would allow courts to temporarily prevent the dangerously mentally ill from having access to firearms, the so-called “red flag” law, enjoys the support of 73 percent of Virginians, and similar measures have been passed in seventeen states and D.C., including Florida, Nevada, New York, and Colorado.

Concerned about rising tensions and false statements online, Northam, in an unprecedented move, used his annual State of the Commonwealth Address to the joint assembly last week to assure Virginians that “no one is calling out the National Guard. No one is cutting off your electricity, or turning off the internet. No one is going door-to-door to confiscate guns.” That effort has not, however, stemmed the tide of controversy. Even Liberty University President, Jerry Falwell, Jr., has gotten into the act, stating that the Second Amendment is “sacred” and that the state is “going to be faced with civil disobedience, not just by citizens but by police officers. And I think it’s what they deserve.”

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Why Are Militia Groups Descending on Virginia? (Original Post) applegrove Jan 2020 OP
Because they can't handle a holiday in memory of a black man jberryhill Jan 2020 #1
The worst mistake we ever made as a country was coddling the gun nuts. Initech Jan 2020 #2
The worst mistake we ever made... CottonBear Jan 2020 #6
What do you suggest we could have done? Polybius Jan 2020 #12
No Jim Crow laws, KKK not allowed, no Confederate memorials... CottonBear Jan 2020 #14
Oh please. This shit is everywhere. cwydro Jan 2020 #16
If the US Government had allowed Reconstruction to continue in the South CottonBear Jan 2020 #33
Who is this "we" you are referring to? hack89 Jan 2020 #20
Isn't the NRA behind this? Also Trump has been tweeting about it, dewsgirl Jan 2020 #3
You would think after the tragedy of Charlottesville, people getting arrested for planning a terror tulipsandroses Jan 2020 #5
Indeed. My biggest worry is something is planned and they dewsgirl Jan 2020 #7
I lurk at several right wing forums Runningdawg Jan 2020 #11
I have seen a tweet here or there, I always hope they dewsgirl Jan 2020 #13
I'd take anything you read on those forums with several grains of salt. cwydro Jan 2020 #19
If someone had said in one of those threads a few years ago Runningdawg Jan 2020 #21
Smuggling gun parts in to put together inside the capitol is just nonsense. cwydro Jan 2020 #31
Not the NRA, their gathering last week only got a few hundred Amishman Jan 2020 #24
Because they call themselves the "Base" kentuck Jan 2020 #4
How would a governor shutdown the internet? lapfog_1 Jan 2020 #8
Gunz and racism. Same crud that brought them to Charlottesville a few years ago. Hoyt Jan 2020 #9
That pic shows the greatest collection of nitwits, cowards, losers, and idiots ever gathered Aristus Jan 2020 #15
They are literally playing dress-up. I stopped doing that when i was a kid. applegrove Jan 2020 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jan 2020 #23
Message to the guy in the back left: Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2020 #25
Oh, my mistake... Newest Reality Jan 2020 #26
Oh, look! llmart Jan 2020 #28
State employees are off tomorrow but legislatives committees will still meet. RandySF Jan 2020 #10
The RWNJs tomorrow are either going to try to hurt/kill people or frame antifa/Dems dustyscamp Jan 2020 #17
News on R wing forums this morning Runningdawg Jan 2020 #22
Again, just blather. cwydro Jan 2020 #32
I wonder how many of these nuts actually served in the military bottomofthehill Jan 2020 #27
Just a coinky-dink it's on MLK day. UTUSN Jan 2020 #29
Yeah - kind of annaul thing, apparently. jmg257 Jan 2020 #30

CottonBear

(21,596 posts)
6. The worst mistake we ever made...
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:50 PM
Jan 2020

was, after the Civil War, not totally crushing and defeating the Confederates, and allowing them to ever again come back into power in any way, shape or form.

I say this as a native white Southerner, whose family has been in the US since the mid 1700s.

Polybius

(15,390 posts)
12. What do you suggest we could have done?
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 10:47 PM
Jan 2020

Perhaps take away their voting rights for life, but then their kids and grandkids would grow up to vote, probably the same way too.

CottonBear

(21,596 posts)
14. No Jim Crow laws, KKK not allowed, no Confederate memorials...
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:20 PM
Jan 2020

In other words, hate crimes and domestic terrorists would not have been allowed.

CottonBear

(21,596 posts)
33. If the US Government had allowed Reconstruction to continue in the South
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 12:10 AM
Jan 2020

then there would have been a different outcome than what is now.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
20. Who is this "we" you are referring to?
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 10:06 AM
Jan 2020

gun ownership has always been common and accepted in America - especially so in the 200 or so years of our history. The "gun nuts" were the American public - gun control is a relatively new phenomena in our history.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
3. Isn't the NRA behind this? Also Trump has been tweeting about it,
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:45 PM
Jan 2020

I hope everyone is safe tomorrow.
PS. What is a gun grab?

tulipsandroses

(5,123 posts)
5. You would think after the tragedy of Charlottesville, people getting arrested for planning a terror
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:50 PM
Jan 2020

attack. He would have the sense to not say anything. But Nooooo, he just cannot stop himself. Again, proving how unfit he is for this office.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
7. Indeed. My biggest worry is something is planned and they
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:55 PM
Jan 2020

are coordinating, and believe me, I know how wacky that sounds, but I put nothing past them.

Runningdawg

(4,516 posts)
11. I lurk at several right wing forums
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 10:19 PM
Jan 2020

You bet they are coordinating!! Now you have to take what these MAGAts say with a grain of salt, but some of them are serious. Let's hope the 2 dozen or so that I have heard mention taking in PARTS of guns, spread out among 3-6 different people, to meet up and then build them ON SITE after security checkpoints are full of shit. If not, its about to get bloody. One man mentioned he was taking his 14 year old son to "show him how it was done in Kandahar".
One of the most disgusting things I have heard was "we only got one in Charlottesville, we can do better".
All of these rallies are just that - until that split second when they aren't.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
13. I have seen a tweet here or there, I always hope they
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 10:48 PM
Jan 2020

are bots. I'm listening to the Agenda Free TV guy on YT and there is all kinds of awful crap being said in the chat, even though there are moderators, they can't catch them fast enough. I think he's wrapping up, but here he is just in case.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
19. I'd take anything you read on those forums with several grains of salt.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 09:22 AM
Jan 2020

That sounds like a lot of blather.

Runningdawg

(4,516 posts)
21. If someone had said in one of those threads a few years ago
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:54 PM
Jan 2020

Liberals and Antifa will be ran down with cars - would you have felt it was just bluster? It all is, until it isn't ....

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
24. Not the NRA, their gathering last week only got a few hundred
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:04 PM
Jan 2020

This is out together by a Virginia gunner group and a few others, and 20-50 times the size of the NRAs whinefest

In a way this is a sign of the implosion of the NRA, the gunners are reorganizing under different banners.

Outside of the DC suburbs and Richmond, Virginia is a very red state and really likes their guns. A lot like PA in many respects. I can see this happening in my state if similar bills had a chance of passing.

lapfog_1

(29,199 posts)
8. How would a governor shutdown the internet?
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:56 PM
Jan 2020

do these morons even have a basic understanding of how the internet works?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
9. Gunz and racism. Same crud that brought them to Charlottesville a few years ago.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 09:07 PM
Jan 2020
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Aristus

(66,327 posts)
15. That pic shows the greatest collection of nitwits, cowards, losers, and idiots ever gathered
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:37 PM
Jan 2020

together in one place, with the possible exception of when Donald Trump dined alone...

Response to applegrove (Reply #18)

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,181 posts)
25. Message to the guy in the back left:
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:06 PM
Jan 2020

Your local batting cage called.

You forgot to return your helmet.

dustyscamp

(2,224 posts)
17. The RWNJs tomorrow are either going to try to hurt/kill people or frame antifa/Dems
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:18 AM
Jan 2020

I hope nobody from our side gets involved with whatever is going down tomorrow if they are there hopefully they'll be smart and stay on the sidelines and film these fools doing something wrong

Runningdawg

(4,516 posts)
22. News on R wing forums this morning
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:57 PM
Jan 2020

are saying they (whoever they are) are jamming all cell phones and comms on the ground. But apparently Alex Jones gave a rousing speech about killing them all and letting God sort them out. His followers are sticking with the explanation he was talking about Muslim Terrorists. Yeah....

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
32. Again, just blather.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 06:12 PM
Jan 2020

Nothing happened.

“Jamming all cell phones” lol, I talked with a friend who was there today via cellphone. No problems.

bottomofthehill

(8,329 posts)
27. I wonder how many of these nuts actually served in the military
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 01:33 PM
Jan 2020

As opposed to buying a helmet and some camo at a gun show and telling stories about how they would have joined but for the bone spurs. But if their doctor let them serve, the would have made Chesty Puller proud.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
30. Yeah - kind of annaul thing, apparently.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 02:03 PM
Jan 2020

"Gun-rights rallies have been an annual part of Lobby Day at the state Capitol. This year’s rally is much larger than usual because the legislature’s new Democratic majority is seeking gun-control measures that have sparked concern among gun-rights advocates."

https://www.richmond.com/news/local/live-updates-thousands-gather-around-capitol-square-in-richmond-ahead/article_af43b67e-def2-5ee1-92db-709d0965655f.html
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