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Why Are Militia Groups Descending on Virginia?
Groups are warning of gun grabs and internet blackouts. In reality, the new gun measures are widely supported by Virginians.
By DAVID J. TOSCANO at Slate
JAN 18, 20201:22 PM
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/01/militia-richmond-virginia-gun-rally.html
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Since the fall election, the rhetoric around guns in Virginia has dramatically intensified. Memes appeared on the internet claiming that Democratic Gov. Ralph Northam was going to shut down the internet, cut off utilities, and seize guns. Since November 2019, more than 100 counties, cities, and towns in Virginia have declared themselves Second Amendment sanctuaries and have vowed to oppose any new restrictions on guns which they deem to be unconstitutional. Some proponentshave even resurrected words like nullification and interposition, terms first used extensively by Southern secessionists prior to the Civil War and more recently during the massive resistance to federal laws requiring desegregation in the 1960s. Gun groups became further incensed in December when Democratic Congressman Donald McEachin suggested that if people did not follow the law, Northam should use the states National Guard to make them do so.
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Despite the rhetoric about gun confiscation and governmental overreach, most of the measures proposed by Democrats are widely supported by Virginians. A December poll indicated that universal background checks, one of the first measures that will be enacted, are supported by 86 percent of Virginia voters. A bill that would allow courts to temporarily prevent the dangerously mentally ill from having access to firearms, the so-called red flag law, enjoys the support of 73 percent of Virginians, and similar measures have been passed in seventeen states and D.C., including Florida, Nevada, New York, and Colorado.
Concerned about rising tensions and false statements online, Northam, in an unprecedented move, used his annual State of the Commonwealth Address to the joint assembly last week to assure Virginians that no one is calling out the National Guard. No one is cutting off your electricity, or turning off the internet. No one is going door-to-door to confiscate guns. That effort has not, however, stemmed the tide of controversy. Even Liberty University President, Jerry Falwell, Jr., has gotten into the act, stating that the Second Amendment is sacred and that the state is going to be faced with civil disobedience, not just by citizens but by police officers. And I think its what they deserve.
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jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Initech
(100,068 posts)CottonBear
(21,596 posts)was, after the Civil War, not totally crushing and defeating the Confederates, and allowing them to ever again come back into power in any way, shape or form.
I say this as a native white Southerner, whose family has been in the US since the mid 1700s.
Polybius
(15,390 posts)Perhaps take away their voting rights for life, but then their kids and grandkids would grow up to vote, probably the same way too.
CottonBear
(21,596 posts)In other words, hate crimes and domestic terrorists would not have been allowed.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)The scum that killed Heather Heyer was from Ohio.
CottonBear
(21,596 posts)then there would have been a different outcome than what is now.
hack89
(39,171 posts)gun ownership has always been common and accepted in America - especially so in the 200 or so years of our history. The "gun nuts" were the American public - gun control is a relatively new phenomena in our history.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)I hope everyone is safe tomorrow.
PS. What is a gun grab?
tulipsandroses
(5,123 posts)attack. He would have the sense to not say anything. But Nooooo, he just cannot stop himself. Again, proving how unfit he is for this office.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)are coordinating, and believe me, I know how wacky that sounds, but I put nothing past them.
Runningdawg
(4,516 posts)You bet they are coordinating!! Now you have to take what these MAGAts say with a grain of salt, but some of them are serious. Let's hope the 2 dozen or so that I have heard mention taking in PARTS of guns, spread out among 3-6 different people, to meet up and then build them ON SITE after security checkpoints are full of shit. If not, its about to get bloody. One man mentioned he was taking his 14 year old son to "show him how it was done in Kandahar".
One of the most disgusting things I have heard was "we only got one in Charlottesville, we can do better".
All of these rallies are just that - until that split second when they aren't.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)are bots. I'm listening to the Agenda Free TV guy on YT and there is all kinds of awful crap being said in the chat, even though there are moderators, they can't catch them fast enough. I think he's wrapping up, but here he is just in case.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)That sounds like a lot of blather.
Runningdawg
(4,516 posts)Liberals and Antifa will be ran down with cars - would you have felt it was just bluster? It all is, until it isn't ....
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Sorry.
Amishman
(5,557 posts)This is out together by a Virginia gunner group and a few others, and 20-50 times the size of the NRAs whinefest
In a way this is a sign of the implosion of the NRA, the gunners are reorganizing under different banners.
Outside of the DC suburbs and Richmond, Virginia is a very red state and really likes their guns. A lot like PA in many respects. I can see this happening in my state if similar bills had a chance of passing.
kentuck
(111,085 posts)As in al Qaeda.
lapfog_1
(29,199 posts)do these morons even have a basic understanding of how the internet works?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Aristus
(66,327 posts)together in one place, with the possible exception of when Donald Trump dined alone...
applegrove
(118,634 posts)Response to applegrove (Reply #18)
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Tommy_Carcetti
(43,181 posts)Your local batting cage called.
You forgot to return your helmet.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)I thought that was his Ralph Kramden robot alien costume.
It's a parade of the small penis crowd.
RandySF
(58,786 posts)dustyscamp
(2,224 posts)I hope nobody from our side gets involved with whatever is going down tomorrow if they are there hopefully they'll be smart and stay on the sidelines and film these fools doing something wrong
Runningdawg
(4,516 posts)are saying they (whoever they are) are jamming all cell phones and comms on the ground. But apparently Alex Jones gave a rousing speech about killing them all and letting God sort them out. His followers are sticking with the explanation he was talking about Muslim Terrorists. Yeah....
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Nothing happened.
Jamming all cell phones lol, I talked with a friend who was there today via cellphone. No problems.
bottomofthehill
(8,329 posts)As opposed to buying a helmet and some camo at a gun show and telling stories about how they would have joined but for the bone spurs. But if their doctor let them serve, the would have made Chesty Puller proud.
UTUSN
(70,684 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)"Gun-rights rallies have been an annual part of Lobby Day at the state Capitol. This years rally is much larger than usual because the legislatures new Democratic majority is seeking gun-control measures that have sparked concern among gun-rights advocates."
https://www.richmond.com/news/local/live-updates-thousands-gather-around-capitol-square-in-richmond-ahead/article_af43b67e-def2-5ee1-92db-709d0965655f.html