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onecaliberal

(32,471 posts)
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:56 PM Jan 2020

Not all white women voted for trump.

We don't collectively support that orange piece of garbage. Some of us can think for ourselves. In my neck of the woods it is assumed.
How any women support republicans is far beyond my level of comprehension. There is no talking to or reaching them.
My world has become very small, I can no longer even tolerate breathing the same air.

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Not all white women voted for trump. (Original Post) onecaliberal Jan 2020 OP
Actually, most of them probably didn't. Downtown Hound Jan 2020 #1
Thank you! Lulu KC Jan 2020 #67
Of white women VOTERS he did.A majoriy switched in 2018 though brush Jan 2020 #69
According to the article, 47% of white woman voters voted for Trump Downtown Hound Jan 2020 #76
Point is more voted repug than Democrat. Let's change that. brush Jan 2020 #78
Agreed. Downtown Hound Jan 2020 #80
I would love to see this change. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #83
Sadly for decades DENVERPOPS Jan 2020 #105
No, they did not see my post above. 58Sunliner Jan 2020 #110
And 55% other than Clinton, which I find insane Polybius Jan 2020 #87
Republicans waged a very intensive propaganda campaign against her for over a quater of a century. Downtown Hound Jan 2020 #89
I share your question n/t Lulu KC Jan 2020 #90
I didn't vote against her in the general election Ms. Toad Jan 2020 #98
There's a segment of the female population Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #100
My political distaste for Clinton Ms. Toad Jan 2020 #136
Math. 26.5% of eligible voters, voted for DT. 58% of all eligible voters voted. 58Sunliner Jan 2020 #109
Other candidates. brush Jan 2020 #117
My wife (at the time) definitely did not ... she was deathly ill and even hurling that AM mr_lebowski Jan 2020 #2
At least she voted for the real president. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #10
White women voters have broken for the Democratic presidential candidate only twice since 1952. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2020 #3
I have NEVER voted for a republican, I will NEVER vote for a republican. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #6
I'm sure that's true. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2020 #8
I did once, under very specific conditions Withywindle Jan 2020 #66
I faced a hideous dilemma in 2018. Pacifist Patriot Jan 2020 #149
Was that Bill Weld vs. John Silber (MA Gov)? smirkymonkey Jan 2020 #153
No, George Ryan vs Glenn Poshard in Illinois Withywindle Jan 2020 #154
I live in an area that in local elections there is not always a Democrat running. TNNurse Jan 2020 #106
Where did you get that info? virgogal Jan 2020 #31
The American National Election Study WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2020 #42
Thanks,very interesting graph. virgogal Jan 2020 #46
Now.you're talking. K&R brush Jan 2020 #4
To say the very least, we all didn't vote for him. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2020 #5
I live in CA22, traitor Nunes district. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #9
What's it look like there in CA22? Are they really going to stick with Nunes? dawg day Jan 2020 #111
I don't see anything changing. Nunes demonstrated his contempt for our constitution before 2018 onecaliberal Jan 2020 #131
this old white Southern woman voted Democratic yellowdogintexas Jan 2020 #28
Of course they didn't. Is someone claiming that? MineralMan Jan 2020 #7
"Most white women" is the frequently hurled line Lulu KC Jan 2020 #71
I pay no attention to the "hurlings" out there. MineralMan Jan 2020 #75
They may be more audible to those being accused Lulu KC Jan 2020 #81
The comment is similar to the "not all men" Ms. Toad Jan 2020 #137
Reminds me of when Greta van Susteren claimed "Trump won among women voters" sandensea Jan 2020 #11
Women of all color . . . . Iliyah Jan 2020 #12
When a reporter asked him in an interview Ohiogal Jan 2020 #38
Safe from what? P***y grabbers?! lunatica Jan 2020 #91
I know Ohiogal Jan 2020 #96
...No, but a lot did ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #13
I am acutely aware, as I stated in my OP. It is assumed. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #15
I'll bet ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #58
Non voters are definitely an issue here yellowdogintexas Jan 2020 #41
Excellent! ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #60
but that black vs. white statistic hfojvt Jan 2020 #70
Well, like I said ismnotwasm Jan 2020 #74
Very good points. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #82
yes, women are a majority but not a cohesive group treestar Jan 2020 #115
The margins aren't that huge treestar Jan 2020 #113
Not true. How could 47% of women, white or otherwise vote for DT if- 58Sunliner Jan 2020 #141
Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #14
So white women aren't human? WTF? Quackers Jan 2020 #16
What? I'm white and I believe I'm human WhiteTara Jan 2020 #19
The numbers also track with the numbers of white women who Bettie Jan 2020 #150
any racist isn't fully human because they are WhiteTara Jan 2020 #21
So, you are willing to write off the 50% (or more) of white women who DID NOT/DO NOT support him? hlthe2b Jan 2020 #20
I don't write anyone off - they do WhiteTara Jan 2020 #23
Obviously you write off all non-POC on DU as well? Keep it up. We really want to know hlthe2b Jan 2020 #25
you think that half of Dem/Progressives are racist? WhiteTara Jan 2020 #29
I certainly do not. It is YOU who just wrote off all white women voters that do NOT support Trump hlthe2b Jan 2020 #30
I think you entirely misunderstood WhiteTara Jan 2020 #37
That may be your intent. That is NOT what you wrote. hlthe2b Jan 2020 #44
I did NOT lump all white women WhiteTara Jan 2020 #48
There are times when all of us write something that is misunderstood. I'll follow your lead hlthe2b Jan 2020 #102
This will really upset some people's favorite narrative here. cwydro Jan 2020 #17
you mean we're sweet and all loving? WhiteTara Jan 2020 #22
I actually have no earthly idea what you're trying to ask here. cwydro Jan 2020 #36
it was just a nonsensical response WhiteTara Jan 2020 #40
I can't argue against the fact that so many do support the criminal in the White House. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #24
53% Fullduplexxx Jan 2020 #18
53% does not equal 100%. Do not assume you know about all white women. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #26
You could make the same statement... tonedevil Jan 2020 #39
I was not writing of pride in my gender. Please go back and read what I wrote. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #49
Not all ( fill in the blank)... tonedevil Jan 2020 #52
Clearly you have no intention of understanding what I'm trying to say. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #54
Nor do you I. /nt tonedevil Jan 2020 #61
I don't feel the need. This is exactly why I wrote this OP to begin with. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #62
I'm not quite that arrogant. /nt tonedevil Jan 2020 #65
Not all POC voted for Hillary treestar Jan 2020 #118
Nope - 47% getagrip_already Jan 2020 #32
Pew had it at 47% TwilightZone Jan 2020 #35
No. See my other posts. 58Sunliner Jan 2020 #142
I for damned sure didn't. dewsgirl Jan 2020 #27
Agreed. It's easier to stereotype and lump people together into groups, though. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #33
"Not all white women" StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #34
That's being missed on this thread. /nt tonedevil Jan 2020 #45
Apparently some feel the need to say it every once in awhile, even on a Democratic board. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2020 #47
I'm just venting.It's not that I feel the need to say it here, it's my everyday life in a red county onecaliberal Jan 2020 #50
Yeah, the whole "not all" thing can come across as defensiveness about one's own actions and WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2020 #72
"Black voters do this. Black voters do that. Black voters support whatshisname," etc. StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #77
I'm not lecturing anyone. Just venting. Black women have been right since forever... just sayin. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #86
My point is that black voters are often treated as a monolith StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #93
Got it. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #94
I understand StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #97
This primary there are polls dividing youth black vote and MerryBlooms Jan 2020 #146
. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2020 #88
not all black people voted for Hillary treestar Jan 2020 #122
"I think you could find a gender breakdown if you tried" StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #132
Why is this victimizing in any way? treestar Jan 2020 #133
Who said anything about "victimizing"? StarfishSaver Jan 2020 #135
What's wrong with that? treestar Jan 2020 #57
Good catch n/t Lulu KC Jan 2020 #68
@11-13%. 9% of AA men voted for DT, @29% Asian, Latino voters who voted-so you're right. 58Sunliner Jan 2020 #144
Not all anybody voted for Trump.... nt EX500rider Jan 2020 #43
Oy! onecaliberal Jan 2020 #51
What? 100% of ANY demographic did not vote for Trump. EX500rider Jan 2020 #79
The fact that a lot did is disturbing, even more so for men. Hoyt Jan 2020 #53
Bingo. It's kind of like reverse Woodstock attendance claims. brush Jan 2020 #84
Just as "not all" old white men voted for the orange buffoon. Ferrets are Cool Jan 2020 #55
This white woman romana Jan 2020 #56
Not all white men voted for Trump either. Kaleva Jan 2020 #59
Of course not. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #63
Yup. ArtTownsend Jan 2020 #99
But a whole hell of a lot did. GaYellowDawg Jan 2020 #121
I wouldn't vote for a republican if you held a gun to my head. 33taw Jan 2020 #64
I'm a white woman and I sure as hell didn't vote for the Orange asshole. blueinredohio Jan 2020 #73
I sure didn't, and most of my friends didn't. we can do it Jan 2020 #85
Thanks. I'm getting really weary of being slapped in the face with that factoid at DU ... Hekate Jan 2020 #92
Slapped in the face? onecaliberal Jan 2020 #103
The factoid I thought we were both referring to: "White women voted for Trump" slung like a slap Hekate Jan 2020 #119
It's like everyone is responsible for their majority treestar Jan 2020 #123
Just checking to make sure I did not offend you. I respect you greatly. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #127
Back atcha... I try to not discuss much of anything with my daughter since she told me... Hekate Jan 2020 #138
My daughter married into an evangelical family. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #140
What a world Hekate Jan 2020 #147
Neither my wife, nor any of her three sisters, one of whom is a Fundie, voted for Trump. NNadir Jan 2020 #95
Hillary did better than Obama and John Kerry with white women. ehrnst Jan 2020 #101
Thanks, ehrnst Hekate Jan 2020 #139
Some women would give up the right to vote in order to elect Trump keithbvadu2 Jan 2020 #104
Wasn't that Ann Coulter? treestar Jan 2020 #124
I'm sure most DUers didn't vote for Trump IronLionZion Jan 2020 #107
Yes, a conservative is a conservative treestar Jan 2020 #125
Indeed, we can't hold liberals accountable for the actions of conservatives IronLionZion Jan 2020 #128
I know I sure didn't vote for him and lost a friend of over 30 years who did. appleannie1 Jan 2020 #108
I lost my daughter. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #114
Hey-only 58% of all eligible voters, voted. 26.5% of all eligible voters, voted for DT. 58Sunliner Jan 2020 #112
Thank you for all the information. Great points. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #116
People keep throwing out false statistics. Why? I think sexism has a lot to do with it. 58Sunliner Jan 2020 #143
I hope it doesn't come to that. Thanks for the info. I saved it for future use. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #151
I was in my nail salon recently having a manicure. The woman on the next table over made CTyankee Jan 2020 #120
Not all white men either Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2020 #126
...is an argument we don't need to have here. Iggo Jan 2020 #129
No good comes of making it a negative treestar Jan 2020 #134
I know my share of white women, and what most tell me is... JohnnyRingo Jan 2020 #130
Of course we didn't Dorian Gray Jan 2020 #145
They certainly did not -- The majority of college educated voted AGAINST him whathehell Jan 2020 #148
Southern white woman here get the red out Jan 2020 #152
Not this white woman shanti Jan 2020 #155

Lulu KC

(2,547 posts)
67. Thank you!
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:27 PM
Jan 2020

I missed this piece at the time, but kept wondering how exit polls had become so powerful in their impact when they can't possibly be that accurate.

I do still wonder about Bush 2004 in Ohio....but that's another thing entirely.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
76. According to the article, 47% of white woman voters voted for Trump
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:38 PM
Jan 2020

45% for Clinton. That leaves 8% who voted for somebody else. Which means 53% of white women voted for somebody other than Trump.

DENVERPOPS

(8,677 posts)
105. Sadly for decades
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:58 PM
Jan 2020

I have asked Republican wives who they were going to vote for.....Almost without exception they all parroted the same exact words: Oh, I take care of the house and kids, my husband follows all the politics and just tells me who to vote for......
And these stepford wives all accepted that completely and we’re just fine with it.....

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
89. Republicans waged a very intensive propaganda campaign against her for over a quater of a century.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:15 PM
Jan 2020

Lots of people fell for it. Her vote for the Iraq War didn't help combat that image either.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
98. I didn't vote against her in the general election
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:36 PM
Jan 2020

(That would have been irrational.)

However I did in the primary (both when she ran against Obama and in advance of the 2016 election). Her interests do not align closely enough with mine - largely because she is a primarily a political creature whose expressed interests align with whatever she views as most likely to get her elected to the next office. She would be a fantastic Supreme Court Justice (a job for life) - but I don't want her anyplace where her current actions are influenced by what it takes to win the next election.

And - that has nothing to do with my race or gender - other than the principle that I don't vote for people merely because they match my race and gender. I vote for the person I trust most to do the job in a manner that is consistent with my moral principles (regardless of what it takes to get elected). That's not Clinton - as a stand-alone choice. However, in comparison to Trump - she gets my vote.

Mr.Bill

(24,103 posts)
100. There's a segment of the female population
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:45 PM
Jan 2020

that cannot comprehend why she didn't divorce Bill over the Lewinski affair. Most people realize that's none of our business, but some have to project what they would have done onto Hillary.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
136. My political distaste for Clinton
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 06:54 PM
Jan 2020

has nothing to do with her personal life.

In the last two primaries she was near the bottom of my list of candidates based on her political views or, more precisely, that her political views were malleable based on the whim of what she needed to say or do to get elected. There are jobs in which she does not depend on voters to maintain. I think she would be brilliant in some of those (e.g. as a Supreme Court Justice).

58Sunliner

(4,339 posts)
109. Math. 26.5% of eligible voters, voted for DT. 58% of all eligible voters voted.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:03 PM
Jan 2020

How could 47% of WWV vote for DT if only 26.5% of all eligible voters, voted for him?? @13% of WWV voted for DT. More women actually voted for Hillary.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
2. My wife (at the time) definitely did not ... she was deathly ill and even hurling that AM
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:02 PM
Jan 2020

And still drug her sorry ass to the polls to vote for Hillary.

Withywindle

(9,988 posts)
66. I did once, under very specific conditions
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:27 PM
Jan 2020

It was a governor's race. A relatively liberal PRO-CHOICE Republican was running against a conservative ANTI-CHOICE Democrat.

That's how strongly I feel about women's rights. I held my nose and crossed the line just once. I vote to support women. 9999999.999999 % of the time that's the Democratic candidate. I've never ever voted R in a Presidential race.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,647 posts)
149. I faced a hideous dilemma in 2018.
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 09:09 AM
Jan 2020

The county commission race was between a centrist Republican (lone voice of any sort of reason on a 100% Republican commission) incumbent who has championed a lot of positive things for this district and has a solid environmental record and a Democrat I knew personally. I knew the Democrat to be an unethical person. He solicited contributions to an organization he lead claiming it was a 501(c)(3) when it wasn't even incorporated. He is a close-minded individual who persists in disseminating unscientific information under the guise of being scientific. He has laudable environmental goals, but his methods are wildly unscrupulous.

I did not campaign for the Republican or against the Democrat, but could not in good conscience vote for someone I knew would be a disaster in the job. He would have been an embarrassing public face of a Democratic party struggling to rebuild and reassert itself in our local politics. I think he'd have set Democrats back around here, not propelled them forward.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
153. Was that Bill Weld vs. John Silber (MA Gov)?
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:10 PM
Jan 2020

That was the only time in my life I have ever voted republican as well. I always vote for the Democratic candidates, even if I don't particularly care for them that much. There has to be a real deal-breaker in there for me not to vote for them, such as being anti-choice or wanting to cut back on healthcare and other social programs, etc.

Withywindle

(9,988 posts)
154. No, George Ryan vs Glenn Poshard in Illinois
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:56 PM
Jan 2020

Ryan (the relatively liberal R) won. He was a huge crook like they all are - and went to prison later - but he did give us a moratorium on the death penalty so I don't regret that vote at all.

TNNurse

(6,911 posts)
106. I live in an area that in local elections there is not always a Democrat running.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:59 PM
Jan 2020

So, I have voted for Republicans. However, after Trump, I cannot see myself ever doing that again.

They let him ruin the party, destroyed any hint of humanity they had.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,746 posts)
5. To say the very least, we all didn't vote for him.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:08 PM
Jan 2020

Nor did all seniors vote for him.

I, like a lot of the old fogies here, get more liberal as I get older. FYI, I'm now 71.

onecaliberal

(32,471 posts)
9. I live in CA22, traitor Nunes district.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:12 PM
Jan 2020

People start conversations bashing Democrats. I’ve had very heated exchanges with people. I’m just completely over it. I’m not stupid enough to be a republican.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
111. What's it look like there in CA22? Are they really going to stick with Nunes?
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:14 PM
Jan 2020

He is clearly so deceptive-- going through all those hearings as the ranking member, when he knew all along he was completely tied up with some of the activities under question.

Of course, so many Trumpers are careful never to watch the real news because they don't want to encounter this evidence that could maybe change their minds.

But what do you think? Is there a good Dem candidate there against Nunes, I hope?

onecaliberal

(32,471 posts)
131. I don't see anything changing. Nunes demonstrated his contempt for our constitution before 2018
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 05:20 PM
Jan 2020

Despite all of the information in the public square he was re-elected. Andrew Janz, Fresno county prosecutor, was a great candidate in 2018. He had more support in my area than I’ve seen in a very very long time, not enough to get it done.

Liberals are in short supply here. Republicans wouldn’t know real news if it knocked them over the head.

Phil Arballo, is running to unseat Nunes this time around. He is a small business owner from Fresno, California. He told Newsweek on Sunday that his campaign has "raised nearly $300,000 from nearly 10,000 contributions" since the impeachment hearings began earlier this month. I guess time will tell. I’m one of those contributors.

yellowdogintexas

(22,114 posts)
28. this old white Southern woman voted Democratic
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:49 PM
Jan 2020

in every election since I turned 18 (I lived in KY where 18 year olds could vote since 1956)

My first presidential vote was HUmphrey

I live in Texas now and am personally acquainted with around 1500 white Southern women who voted for Hillary, Obama, Gore, and Clinton. They would gladly do so again!

My mother would haunt me for the rest of my life if I ever voted for a Republican for President. She cut me some slack when I lived in Tennessee and voted for Howard Baker and Lamar Alexander for US Senator and Governor respectively Of course Lamar was actually quite moderate back then.

Lulu KC

(2,547 posts)
71. "Most white women" is the frequently hurled line
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:32 PM
Jan 2020

The Time story response says it was probably closer to a tie among white women.

Lulu KC

(2,547 posts)
81. They may be more audible to those being accused
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:51 PM
Jan 2020

But since this one is untrue, no point in paying attention.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
137. The comment is similar to the "not all men"
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 07:01 PM
Jan 2020

response to discussions about rape culture.

I'm not convinced the dynamic is the same (blaming white women for Trump v. blaming men for rape), but the reaction is the same.

sandensea

(21,526 posts)
11. Reminds me of when Greta van Susteren claimed "Trump won among women voters"
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:16 PM
Jan 2020

When, of course, it was only among white women - and by 53 to 43, at that.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
12. Women of all color . . . .
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:17 PM
Jan 2020

are afraid of what t-rump will do in order to keep power, i.e. start a war, civil war, major conflict, and their sons, fathers, nephews, brothers, cousins, friends of family, and overall our men will be sent into battle based on lies.

And t-rump will do it, while the Republicans look the other way, and lie, lie, lie.

I see no one is talking about the 11 servicemen concussions re: corporate media huh . . .while t-rump twitter all is well. That is some serious shit.

Ohiogal

(31,657 posts)
38. When a reporter asked him in an interview
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:56 PM
Jan 2020

What has he done for women (I know, gag, gag) he replied that women say he keeps them safe! How any addle brained woman would think that is beyond my comprehension. Especially one who has a husband, son, brother, or dad in the military the way Rump gets so close to starting World War 3! Our country is LESS safe (especially with all the gun freedoms that domestic abusers enjoy) for women than ever! And THIS 60-ish white woman gets more liberal every year!

ismnotwasm

(41,917 posts)
13. ...No, but a lot did
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:19 PM
Jan 2020

And will do it again.

47% voted for Trump, 45% voted for Clinton one analysis shows (this in contrast to the 52% that’s usually touted)

63% of white men, however, voted for Trump. Apparently men aren’t supposed to be offended by Trump, because we hear about the statistic for women more often

Trump offends everybody decent.


Where the difference is stark, is in race. Black people weren’t having any of Trump with 88% percent voting for Hillary. 94% of black women voters voted for Hillary. Latino and Hispanics voted over half for Hillary—another interesting statistic, that so many thought Trump, was a good idea.


So no, not all women. But far too many.

The problem is in the non voters really.

onecaliberal

(32,471 posts)
15. I am acutely aware, as I stated in my OP. It is assumed.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:24 PM
Jan 2020

The remarks and bullshit I am bombarded with from those who do support him, assuming I do too has reached a level that is increasingly difficult for me to deal with.

ismnotwasm

(41,917 posts)
58. I'll bet
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:16 PM
Jan 2020

I am in a liberal area in the Northwest, (Seattle) so the assumption usually is that there was NO Trump voting, although a surprising number of my friends, who despise Trump, choose to vote 3rd party or write in, and dislike Hillary Clinton with a passion. Their reasoning is that Washington is a “Safe state”

I simply don’t engage politically with them anymore. They are still friends.

yellowdogintexas

(22,114 posts)
41. Non voters are definitely an issue here
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:56 PM
Jan 2020

It has long been a thing that Democrats don't vote either because

there is no Democrat on the ballot in any local, legislative or judicial races

They do not feel it makes any difference in the Presidential race because Republicans always win, and the electoral college pretty much makes their votes 'token'

The candidates the Democratic party offers in statewide races do not attract the attention they deserve

2018 really shifted the paradigms and we took back a number of Texas House Seats, flipped two Congressional seats, damn near ditched Cruz and had several state wide positions pull the highest percentages in years.

Not to mention all those African American judicial spots in Harris County

I expect the paradigms to shift more this year. New voters are being registered all over the state; young enthusiastic voters. Our grassroots organizations are attracting new members and the groundgames are energetic and very busy!

I am optimistic about many of our races! I live in Tarrant County and if this county goes blue, the state is not far behind.

ismnotwasm

(41,917 posts)
60. Excellent!
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:18 PM
Jan 2020

Voting is really amazing when you think about it, and if the country can come together to negate what Trump stands for, it will be amazing

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
70. but that black vs. white statistic
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:31 PM
Jan 2020

has mostly been true since the civil rights bill. Blacks voted against Trump in about the same percentage as they did against W, and against Bush Sr. and against Reagan and against Ford ... So it is not like they had some kind of epiphany with Trump.

The same is generally true of people who voted FOR Trump. Just watched an interview with Ann Coulter on Frontline and she was talking about how Trump won because of the issues of trade and immigration, when the truth is that most of the people who voted for Trump were the same people who voted for Romney and McCain and W and Dole and Bush Sr.....

I still think the real key was Bernie voters just like Nader was decisive in 2000. Enough Bernie supporters were peeved about his primary loss and the news that Hillary supposedly cheated and also the news that she was going to win anyway that a portion of them either stayed home or voted for Stein or Johnson. Enough of them to tip those three states - Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

We hear about the statistic for women because it was thought by many (myself included) that women would support one of their own in the same way that in 2008 I was constantly having black people come into the Democratic headquarters to get Obama signs and also telling me that they were Republicans. One of my co-workers is a libertarian (of all things) but he voted for Obama too.

Back in 2013 before the smear machine opened up on her, my Republican sister in law was telling me that she liked Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

ismnotwasm

(41,917 posts)
74. Well, like I said
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:36 PM
Jan 2020

A lot of my RL friends around and in Seattle refused to vote for Hillary Clinton. They still wouldn’t vote for her from what I can tell.

They cry a lot on Facebook though. My arguably most politically active friend,(runs for office semi-regularly) is actually a Libertarian—he hates Trump too.

What did these people expect?

onecaliberal

(32,471 posts)
82. Very good points.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:58 PM
Jan 2020

I agree with regard to Bernie. The russia machine did a fine job at sewing division among the two. I see it happening again. We cannot afford for anyone to stay home. This election will come down to us beating multiple layers of cheating and voter suppression from republicans and foreign governments interested in bringing America down.
I proudly voted for Secretary Clinton. She received 3 million more votes than the White House occupant.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
115. yes, women are a majority but not a cohesive group
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:25 PM
Jan 2020

Women identify with the men in their class more than with women as a group. There are plenty of women who hate feminists, try to curry favor with men and so on. They weren't excited to have a woman president to have a president that looked like them or whatever, not in enough numbers. Whereas you won't see ethnic/racial groups with many of their members voting against the interests of the group as a whole. And the women in those groups with identify with the men and see their interests that way. The whole concept that women are a voting bloc is wrong.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
113. The margins aren't that huge
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:20 PM
Jan 2020

except for the white men. It seems other than the EC, we win. So unfortunate that it does not really matter what percentage of each racial/gender group voted, except in swing state.

58Sunliner

(4,339 posts)
141. Not true. How could 47% of women, white or otherwise vote for DT if-
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:59 PM
Jan 2020

58% of all eligible voters, voted. 26.5% of all eligible voters, voted for DT.

More men than women- @13% of eligible women voters, voted for DT. 13%. Not 53%, not 47%. And guess what?? They were not all white. @29% of Hispanics and Asians voted for DT. (9% of AA who voted, voted for DT-mostly men).

Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

WhiteTara

(29,676 posts)
19. What? I'm white and I believe I'm human
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:43 PM
Jan 2020

Sorry I came off as I did. I'm just saying many white women are as racist as many white men and that privilege is so ingrained that they can't take their blinders off. But I really know nothing and should just keep my fingers still and off the keyboard.

Bettie

(15,997 posts)
150. The numbers also track with the numbers of white women who
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 11:17 AM
Jan 2020

identify as evangelicals. They tend to vote for whoever the men in their lives tell them to.

WhiteTara

(29,676 posts)
21. any racist isn't fully human because they are
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:44 PM
Jan 2020

without compassion. By human, I meant compassionate toward themselves and all sentient beings.

hlthe2b

(101,704 posts)
20. So, you are willing to write off the 50% (or more) of white women who DID NOT/DO NOT support him?
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:44 PM
Jan 2020

Now, that's strategic.

hlthe2b

(101,704 posts)
25. Obviously you write off all non-POC on DU as well? Keep it up. We really want to know
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:48 PM
Jan 2020

how you think of at least half of the Dem/Progressives I'd think you'd want to be aligned.

How damned ugly. We can all show our disdain for Trump supporters, but when you lump in everyone of a certain gender, race, or ethnicity--just because SOME of that group support Trump, that is DAMNED UGLY and DESTRUCTIVE.

hlthe2b

(101,704 posts)
30. I certainly do not. It is YOU who just wrote off all white women voters that do NOT support Trump
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:51 PM
Jan 2020

read what you WROTE! It is shameful. It is divisive. It is not appropriate for a progressive website.

We should be aligned in our progessive/Dem values. Not accusing others of being less so because of race, ethnicity, gender.

WhiteTara

(29,676 posts)
37. I think you entirely misunderstood
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:56 PM
Jan 2020

and I'm sorry I have upset you so. We've both been on this board since the beginning. I did have a name change that cost me posts; but I am totally behind the democratic agenda (I'm 72 and have been a democrat/feminist all my adult life) I have considered myself progressive and align myself with our social agenda completely.

My original post was a simple statement that not all women are with us and their racism is ugly. I pray for them to gain compassion and to learn to open their hearts. Sorry that I didn't write that thought in a skillful manner that could be understood.



hlthe2b

(101,704 posts)
44. That may be your intent. That is NOT what you wrote.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:58 PM
Jan 2020

I would certainly hope you are not meaning to convey what you wrote.

The 50- odd percent of white women who did/do support Trump are reprehensible, or at a minimum to be pitied for their failure to be able to recognize him for what he is.

But, I will never lump all white women in with them. Indeed, our future is likely dependent on women's votes and that means AA, Latinas, Asian women AND white women as well as all others.

WhiteTara

(29,676 posts)
48. I did NOT lump all white women
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:05 PM
Jan 2020

into the same basket.

I didn't write that, you understood it to say that. I'm going out into the sunshine. I hope that your heart stops hurting from my words.

hlthe2b

(101,704 posts)
102. There are times when all of us write something that is misunderstood. I'll follow your lead
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:48 PM
Jan 2020

and go with the pup to enjoy the sunshine. Benefit-of-the-doubt going forward.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
17. This will really upset some people's favorite narrative here.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:36 PM
Jan 2020

I expect a half dozen rebuttal threads in 3-2-1...

onecaliberal

(32,471 posts)
24. I can't argue against the fact that so many do support the criminal in the White House.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:47 PM
Jan 2020

I only know that I have never supported republicans, even before dump. My father was a WWII Veteran, a lifelong hard core Democrat. He always told us that we shouldn’t assume 1930’s Germany couldn’t happen here. I’m so glad he’s not here to witness.

 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
39. You could make the same statement...
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:56 PM
Jan 2020

If it were 99%. 53% is more than half that seem to be the some of the people you can fool all the time. I don't know about you, but I'm not too proud of that.

onecaliberal

(32,471 posts)
49. I was not writing of pride in my gender. Please go back and read what I wrote.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:05 PM
Jan 2020

Even if it’s 99%, it’s not all. I for one am fed up with the conventional wisdom that all of us support that waste of oxygen in the White House. We don’t.

 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
52. Not all ( fill in the blank)...
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:12 PM
Jan 2020

just use that handy form to fight the strawman that all of any demographic voted for anyone or anything. I hope you find it handy.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
118. Not all POC voted for Hillary
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:31 PM
Jan 2020

It's always true. But white women are not a voting bloc (or we'd always have the liberal candidate as the winner). This whole concept, on this and the other 1000000 threads on it, presume somehow that we expect white women to be a voting block.

The percentages are not outrageously high like they are for white men, (63% is a lot, 53% could change). Try as they might, feminists have a different fight than any other type of group - the fact that women still identify more with their class/race than the group "women." And that is likely true of any race, just that the men have an interest in progressive policy. Women are starting to feel equal but not thinking of themselves as a cohesive interest group.

Thus you have women who would actually vote for the pussy grabber. I was one who mistakenly thought that would lose the election for the Dotard.

getagrip_already

(14,226 posts)
32. Nope - 47%
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:53 PM
Jan 2020

the 53% number came from flawed exit polling. It got all the categories wrong, not just white woman.

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
35. Pew had it at 47%
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:55 PM
Jan 2020

"...a Pew Research Center study — using only validated voters and taking potential bias of exit polling into account — found that 39% of all women and 47% of white women voted for Trump."

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/jun/20/donald-trump/trump-said-52-women-voted-him-2016-s-misleading-re/

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
33. Agreed. It's easier to stereotype and lump people together into groups, though.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:53 PM
Jan 2020

Roughly half of white women didn't vote for Trump. Lumping them all together is pretty disingenuous, yet we see it often.

As you noted, even half is pretty inexplicable, but that doesn't mean the other half should be subject to guilt by association.

onecaliberal

(32,471 posts)
50. I'm just venting.It's not that I feel the need to say it here, it's my everyday life in a red county
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:10 PM
Jan 2020

The remarks and jokes are so small and pathetic. I guess more than anything I dislike being lumped in with them based on nothing but gender and color. (Republicans)

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,145 posts)
72. Yeah, the whole "not all" thing can come across as defensiveness about one's own actions and
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:32 PM
Jan 2020

a reluctance to dig into systemic issues, especially when it's said among a group that one might consider allies. It makes more sense knowing that you're delivering it to people who are making assumptions about your views.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
77. "Black voters do this. Black voters do that. Black voters support whatshisname," etc.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:39 PM
Jan 2020

"Most white women voted for Trump."

"Not ALL white women! How dare you lump is all together!"

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
93. My point is that black voters are often treated as a monolith
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:18 PM
Jan 2020

while white voters are seen as individuals.

For example, we regularly see white voters sliced and diced as old, young, rural, urban, working class, upper middle class, college-educated, non-college-educated, etc.

How often do you see black voters individualized this way?

onecaliberal

(32,471 posts)
94. Got it.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:21 PM
Jan 2020

You never see them divided by subgroup in their gender/race.
I hear what you’re saying. I was just venting. Maybe it was the wrong place. I guess there is really no place.

MerryBlooms

(11,728 posts)
146. This primary there are polls dividing youth black vote and
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 10:21 PM
Jan 2020

older black vote. Of course, the whites supporting the particular white candidate of the black elder vote insist the black youth vote is insignificant, and the whites supporting the white candidate getting the elder vote is all powerful. No big deal how white our debate stage is, those black folks dropped out on their own. Some tiny individualization going on, but the disingenuous shit going on this election cycle is embarrassing.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
122. not all black people voted for Hillary
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:38 PM
Jan 2020

I think you could find a gender breakdown if you tried -- there are stats that show more black men voted for Dotard than black women. And age breakdowns too - younger black voters more likely to go for Bernie than Biden. as opposed to older black voters.

Still, black people are more cohesive as a voting block and there are reasons for it. Nobody is saying anything negative about that. But women just never vote together as women - they go for who the men of the same class/race go for, though at least not in as large a percentage when it comes to whites voting for Republicans.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
132. "I think you could find a gender breakdown if you tried"
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 05:20 PM
Jan 2020

Yes, I'm sure if I tried hard enough, I can find something that treats black people as more than just a fungible block of black people.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
133. Why is this victimizing in any way?
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 05:41 PM
Jan 2020

It is a fact black people vote for Democrats at a very high percentage. This is why white people are racist, they vote in larger numbers for Rs even racist Dotard, than for Democrats. It is not a criticism that black people vote as a near block for Democrats. And we think the 6% who vote R to be nuts (Thomas, Carson, Omarosa, and the few others).

White people are more notorious for not voting their interests as they prefer racism to their economic interests, thus lower or middle-class white people voting for the "trickle-down" "tax cuts" Repukes.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
135. Who said anything about "victimizing"?
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 06:31 PM
Jan 2020

Pointing out obvious discrepancies in the way white people are viewed vs. blacks and that white people are treated as individuals while we are looked at as a monolith is not playing "victim." In fact, it could be argued that any "victimization involved in such observations is the defensiveness that ensues therefrom.

And, FYI - racism IS an interest that for some people supercedes economic interests.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
57. What's wrong with that?
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:16 PM
Jan 2020

Especially when all the white women are called out for what others did. That would be objected to for voters of color.

58Sunliner

(4,339 posts)
144. @11-13%. 9% of AA men voted for DT, @29% Asian, Latino voters who voted-so you're right.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 09:32 PM
Jan 2020

"Not all white women". Don't forget @ 15% of white men who voted, voted for TD.

brush

(53,467 posts)
84. Bingo. It's kind of like reverse Woodstock attendance claims.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:00 PM
Jan 2020

Everybody says they were there—now no one wants to admit voting for trump.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,059 posts)
55. Just as "not all" old white men voted for the orange buffoon.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:14 PM
Jan 2020

I haven't voted anything but straight democratic ticket since 1988.

romana

(765 posts)
56. This white woman
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:15 PM
Jan 2020

This white woman most definitely did NOT vote for Trump.

Clinton did win college educated white woman by a lot.

GaYellowDawg

(4,443 posts)
121. But a whole hell of a lot did.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:37 PM
Jan 2020

And as a white man, I think I belong to the dumbest and most entitled demographic there is.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
92. Thanks. I'm getting really weary of being slapped in the face with that factoid at DU ...
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:18 PM
Jan 2020

Last edited Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:34 PM - Edit history (1)

...every couple of weeks.

ETA: the factoid in question is the implication that "white women" swung the race for Trump.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
119. The factoid I thought we were both referring to: "White women voted for Trump" slung like a slap
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:33 PM
Jan 2020

...at all of us born melanin-deficient. At DU.

Hard statistical truths are one thing, but making it seem as though "white women" are solely responsible for Trump's win is suspect. Hillary won the popular vote by 3 million more than Trump -- I'm the one that keeps reminding DUers that it took a helluva lot of chicanery to keep her out of the WH.

If I phrased it wrong I apologize.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
123. It's like everyone is responsible for their majority
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:41 PM
Jan 2020

and it's not fair to point out that black voters vote for the Democrat at about 90% and that's not fair to point out either, which is not ever said to be a bad thing, and is an understandable thing.

onecaliberal

(32,471 posts)
127. Just checking to make sure I did not offend you. I respect you greatly.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:49 PM
Jan 2020

It’s difficult to continually confront It. I have lost people I loved and cared about. Including my own daughter. It’s getting really old.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
138. Back atcha... I try to not discuss much of anything with my daughter since she told me...
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 07:11 PM
Jan 2020

...that it might be a good thing Trump won because he'd "shake things up." Jesus wept. I could not even bring myself to ask if that meant she had actually voted for the monster or just let it happen.

My mantra is: She is over 40. She is the mother of my only grandkids, and I want to be in their lives. Do not fight losing battles.

onecaliberal

(32,471 posts)
140. My daughter married into an evangelical family.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 07:46 PM
Jan 2020

She systemically excluded us from their lives because we’re not conservative and not religious. We declined to join their church And it kind of went downhill from there. There was no fight between us. She is 30 something. It’s been very painful.

NNadir

(33,368 posts)
95. Neither my wife, nor any of her three sisters, one of whom is a Fundie, voted for Trump.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:22 PM
Jan 2020

They are all white women.

My fundie sister-in-law cannot understand how "Christians" voted for Trump, but I suspect most of her friends did.

Another sister-in-law lives and works in Trump land, and she didn't vote for Trump either.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
101. Hillary did better than Obama and John Kerry with white women.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:47 PM
Jan 2020

In 2004, Bush got 55% of the white female vote, and Kerry got 44% —a “reverse gender gap” (one working in the G.O.P.’s favor) of eleven points.

In 2008, McCain got 53% of the white female vote, and Obama got 46% —a gap of seven points.

In 2012 Romney got 56% of the white female vote; Obama got just 42%.


https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/whats-up-with-white-women-they-voted-for-romney-too




keithbvadu2

(36,360 posts)
104. Some women would give up the right to vote in order to elect Trump
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:57 PM
Jan 2020

Some women would give up the right to vote in order to elect Trump

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-trump-backers-tweet-repealthe19th-1476299001-htmlstory.html

Oct. 12, 2016, 12:15 p.m.

Trump backers tweet #repealthe19th after polls show he'd win if only men voted

As polls show that Donald Trump would overwhelmingly win if only men were allowed to vote, the GOP nominee's supporters have spawned a new Twitter hashtag: #repealthe19th.

That’s a reference to the 19th Amendment, which gave women the right to vote.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
124. Wasn't that Ann Coulter?
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:43 PM
Jan 2020

What an idiot. there are women to this day who think women shouldn't vote! It's an entirely different question / issue than race, class or anything else.

IronLionZion

(45,254 posts)
107. I'm sure most DUers didn't vote for Trump
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:00 PM
Jan 2020

Just like I'm sure white women don't collectively do anything, since there are so many of them of various types and ideologies and motivations. Liberal white women are great. Conservatives, not so much.

IronLionZion

(45,254 posts)
128. Indeed, we can't hold liberals accountable for the actions of conservatives
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:51 PM
Jan 2020

So the best we can do is support voter registration efforts, fight voter suppression efforts, and make sure our side gets out and votes for our party's candidates this year.

appleannie1

(5,042 posts)
108. I know I sure didn't vote for him and lost a friend of over 30 years who did.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:03 PM
Jan 2020

I will never understand how a mother of girls and grandmother of girls could give him a pass and think all those women were lying even after the Bush tape came out.

58Sunliner

(4,339 posts)
112. Hey-only 58% of all eligible voters, voted. 26.5% of all eligible voters, voted for DT.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:17 PM
Jan 2020

More men than women- @13% of eligible women voters, voted for DT. 13%. Not 53%, not 47%. And guess what?? They were not all white. @29% of Hispanics and Asians voted for DT. (9% of AA who voted, voted for DT-mostly men).
Now please assure me there was no voter fraud.
I am tired of wondering how Dems always get these facts wrong. We are supposed to be the smarter group. It's as if a a layer of denial is pervasive in considering the outcome. The media keeps up this bullshit about both sides when in fact-they are the minority. If it was pukes who were truly the dominant number/demographic do you think they would give a shit about what we think?

58Sunliner

(4,339 posts)
143. People keep throwing out false statistics. Why? I think sexism has a lot to do with it.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 09:24 PM
Jan 2020

And maybe something else which I won't allude to here. It becomes a thing where I keep throwing out facts because people want to blame white women. Not white men, but white women. Which is fine, but blame the @13%. I don't defend anyone voting for the creep, but at least get your facts straight. If we can't get factual about who actually voted for DT, then how are we to address the issues raised by a minority of eligible voters choosing our future? I know what you mean about feeling like you can't breathe. But just keep putting the reality out there. It's as if there is a level of anger that they keep justifying it with the 53-47% without wanting to understand that there are always at least two factors to a percentage. It feels intentional when the facts don't support their assertions. In this case accounting for demographics and eligible voters who actually voted is multiple. Age, sex, party, race, and voting record. It's become so polarized, and coupled with the violence, that I feel like I may retire abroad.

CTyankee

(63,768 posts)
120. I was in my nail salon recently having a manicure. The woman on the next table over made
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:34 PM
Jan 2020

a snide remark about the election: "You don't want to know who I'm gonna vote for."

I said "Trump?" she nodded and I asked why. She said he was "standing up" for what she believed in. I wanted to taunt her into actually saying she was supporting "babies in cages" but I thought it wouldn't be very nice, since the salon is staffed by many young women from Central America.

I kinda wished I had said something but I gave an extra big tip to my manicurist instead. She needed my money more than that asshole needed my sarcasm...

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,063 posts)
126. Not all white men either
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:46 PM
Jan 2020

This one certainly didn't but many did. Many perhaps bought into the success businessman BS. Hopefully many have wised up.

Iggo

(47,486 posts)
129. ...is an argument we don't need to have here.
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 05:01 PM
Jan 2020

“Not All White People” is some pretty tough territory to defend at any given time, and totally unnecessary right now.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
134. No good comes of making it a negative
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 05:43 PM
Jan 2020

to say there are white women, and white men, who are liberals and will vote Democratic. We don't want to make a white voting block for the Rs any stronger.

Dorian Gray

(13,469 posts)
145. Of course we didn't
Sun Jan 19, 2020, 09:53 PM
Jan 2020

unfortunately a large number did, and we should understand why people collectively are upset with those statistics. I"m upset with those statistics.

whathehell

(28,968 posts)
148. They certainly did not -- The majority of college educated voted AGAINST him
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 06:34 AM
Jan 2020

and even those who did vote Trump, did so by a far smaller margin
than white men.

get the red out

(13,458 posts)
152. Southern white woman here
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 12:00 PM
Jan 2020

And there was no way I would vote for him, but if there are any white people (men or women) on my floor at work that don’t support him they keep it to themselves (except for me, I don’t talk politics at work but I don’t keep my being a D secret).

shanti

(21,670 posts)
155. Not this white woman
Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:02 PM
Jan 2020

or her mother, and sister. However, an aunt and a cousin both did, and were quite smug about it.

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