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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNot all white women voted for trump.
We don't collectively support that orange piece of garbage. Some of us can think for ourselves. In my neck of the woods it is assumed.
How any women support republicans is far beyond my level of comprehension. There is no talking to or reaching them.
My world has become very small, I can no longer even tolerate breathing the same air.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Lulu KC
(2,547 posts)I missed this piece at the time, but kept wondering how exit polls had become so powerful in their impact when they can't possibly be that accurate.
I do still wonder about Bush 2004 in Ohio....but that's another thing entirely.
brush
(53,467 posts)Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)45% for Clinton. That leaves 8% who voted for somebody else. Which means 53% of white women voted for somebody other than Trump.
brush
(53,467 posts)Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)onecaliberal
(32,471 posts)DENVERPOPS
(8,677 posts)I have asked Republican wives who they were going to vote for.....Almost without exception they all parroted the same exact words: Oh, I take care of the house and kids, my husband follows all the politics and just tells me who to vote for......
And these stepford wives all accepted that completely and were just fine with it.....
58Sunliner
(4,339 posts)Polybius
(15,235 posts)Serious, WTF did white women have against her?
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Lots of people fell for it. Her vote for the Iraq War didn't help combat that image either.
Lulu KC
(2,547 posts)Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)(That would have been irrational.)
However I did in the primary (both when she ran against Obama and in advance of the 2016 election). Her interests do not align closely enough with mine - largely because she is a primarily a political creature whose expressed interests align with whatever she views as most likely to get her elected to the next office. She would be a fantastic Supreme Court Justice (a job for life) - but I don't want her anyplace where her current actions are influenced by what it takes to win the next election.
And - that has nothing to do with my race or gender - other than the principle that I don't vote for people merely because they match my race and gender. I vote for the person I trust most to do the job in a manner that is consistent with my moral principles (regardless of what it takes to get elected). That's not Clinton - as a stand-alone choice. However, in comparison to Trump - she gets my vote.
Mr.Bill
(24,103 posts)that cannot comprehend why she didn't divorce Bill over the Lewinski affair. Most people realize that's none of our business, but some have to project what they would have done onto Hillary.
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)has nothing to do with her personal life.
In the last two primaries she was near the bottom of my list of candidates based on her political views or, more precisely, that her political views were malleable based on the whim of what she needed to say or do to get elected. There are jobs in which she does not depend on voters to maintain. I think she would be brilliant in some of those (e.g. as a Supreme Court Justice).
58Sunliner
(4,339 posts)How could 47% of WWV vote for DT if only 26.5% of all eligible voters, voted for him?? @13% of WWV voted for DT. More women actually voted for Hillary.
brush
(53,467 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)And still drug her sorry ass to the polls to vote for Hillary.
onecaliberal
(32,471 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,145 posts)onecaliberal
(32,471 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,145 posts)Withywindle
(9,988 posts)It was a governor's race. A relatively liberal PRO-CHOICE Republican was running against a conservative ANTI-CHOICE Democrat.
That's how strongly I feel about women's rights. I held my nose and crossed the line just once. I vote to support women. 9999999.999999 % of the time that's the Democratic candidate. I've never ever voted R in a Presidential race.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,647 posts)The county commission race was between a centrist Republican (lone voice of any sort of reason on a 100% Republican commission) incumbent who has championed a lot of positive things for this district and has a solid environmental record and a Democrat I knew personally. I knew the Democrat to be an unethical person. He solicited contributions to an organization he lead claiming it was a 501(c)(3) when it wasn't even incorporated. He is a close-minded individual who persists in disseminating unscientific information under the guise of being scientific. He has laudable environmental goals, but his methods are wildly unscrupulous.
I did not campaign for the Republican or against the Democrat, but could not in good conscience vote for someone I knew would be a disaster in the job. He would have been an embarrassing public face of a Democratic party struggling to rebuild and reassert itself in our local politics. I think he'd have set Democrats back around here, not propelled them forward.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)That was the only time in my life I have ever voted republican as well. I always vote for the Democratic candidates, even if I don't particularly care for them that much. There has to be a real deal-breaker in there for me not to vote for them, such as being anti-choice or wanting to cut back on healthcare and other social programs, etc.
Withywindle
(9,988 posts)Ryan (the relatively liberal R) won. He was a huge crook like they all are - and went to prison later - but he did give us a moratorium on the death penalty so I don't regret that vote at all.
TNNurse
(6,911 posts)So, I have voted for Republicans. However, after Trump, I cannot see myself ever doing that again.
They let him ruin the party, destroyed any hint of humanity they had.
virgogal
(10,178 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,145 posts)virgogal
(10,178 posts)brush
(53,467 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,746 posts)Nor did all seniors vote for him.
I, like a lot of the old fogies here, get more liberal as I get older. FYI, I'm now 71.
onecaliberal
(32,471 posts)People start conversations bashing Democrats. Ive had very heated exchanges with people. Im just completely over it. Im not stupid enough to be a republican.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)He is clearly so deceptive-- going through all those hearings as the ranking member, when he knew all along he was completely tied up with some of the activities under question.
Of course, so many Trumpers are careful never to watch the real news because they don't want to encounter this evidence that could maybe change their minds.
But what do you think? Is there a good Dem candidate there against Nunes, I hope?
onecaliberal
(32,471 posts)Despite all of the information in the public square he was re-elected. Andrew Janz, Fresno county prosecutor, was a great candidate in 2018. He had more support in my area than Ive seen in a very very long time, not enough to get it done.
Liberals are in short supply here. Republicans wouldnt know real news if it knocked them over the head.
Phil Arballo, is running to unseat Nunes this time around. He is a small business owner from Fresno, California. He told Newsweek on Sunday that his campaign has "raised nearly $300,000 from nearly 10,000 contributions" since the impeachment hearings began earlier this month. I guess time will tell. Im one of those contributors.
yellowdogintexas
(22,114 posts)in every election since I turned 18 (I lived in KY where 18 year olds could vote since 1956)
My first presidential vote was HUmphrey
I live in Texas now and am personally acquainted with around 1500 white Southern women who voted for Hillary, Obama, Gore, and Clinton. They would gladly do so again!
My mother would haunt me for the rest of my life if I ever voted for a Republican for President. She cut me some slack when I lived in Tennessee and voted for Howard Baker and Lamar Alexander for US Senator and Governor respectively Of course Lamar was actually quite moderate back then.
MineralMan
(146,189 posts)Lulu KC
(2,547 posts)The Time story response says it was probably closer to a tie among white women.
MineralMan
(146,189 posts)Lulu KC
(2,547 posts)But since this one is untrue, no point in paying attention.
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)response to discussions about rape culture.
I'm not convinced the dynamic is the same (blaming white women for Trump v. blaming men for rape), but the reaction is the same.
sandensea
(21,526 posts)When, of course, it was only among white women - and by 53 to 43, at that.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)are afraid of what t-rump will do in order to keep power, i.e. start a war, civil war, major conflict, and their sons, fathers, nephews, brothers, cousins, friends of family, and overall our men will be sent into battle based on lies.
And t-rump will do it, while the Republicans look the other way, and lie, lie, lie.
I see no one is talking about the 11 servicemen concussions re: corporate media huh . . .while t-rump twitter all is well. That is some serious shit.
Ohiogal
(31,657 posts)What has he done for women (I know, gag, gag) he replied that women say he keeps them safe! How any addle brained woman would think that is beyond my comprehension. Especially one who has a husband, son, brother, or dad in the military the way Rump gets so close to starting World War 3! Our country is LESS safe (especially with all the gun freedoms that domestic abusers enjoy) for women than ever! And THIS 60-ish white woman gets more liberal every year!
lunatica
(53,410 posts)I cant believe that man can still make my brain explode.
My blood pressure certainly goes way up if I listen to him say more than 5 words.
ismnotwasm
(41,917 posts)And will do it again.
47% voted for Trump, 45% voted for Clinton one analysis shows (this in contrast to the 52% thats usually touted)
63% of white men, however, voted for Trump. Apparently men arent supposed to be offended by Trump, because we hear about the statistic for women more often
Trump offends everybody decent.
Where the difference is stark, is in race. Black people werent having any of Trump with 88% percent voting for Hillary. 94% of black women voters voted for Hillary. Latino and Hispanics voted over half for Hillaryanother interesting statistic, that so many thought Trump, was a good idea.
So no, not all women. But far too many.
The problem is in the non voters really.
onecaliberal
(32,471 posts)The remarks and bullshit I am bombarded with from those who do support him, assuming I do too has reached a level that is increasingly difficult for me to deal with.
ismnotwasm
(41,917 posts)I am in a liberal area in the Northwest, (Seattle) so the assumption usually is that there was NO Trump voting, although a surprising number of my friends, who despise Trump, choose to vote 3rd party or write in, and dislike Hillary Clinton with a passion. Their reasoning is that Washington is a Safe state
I simply dont engage politically with them anymore. They are still friends.
yellowdogintexas
(22,114 posts)It has long been a thing that Democrats don't vote either because
there is no Democrat on the ballot in any local, legislative or judicial races
They do not feel it makes any difference in the Presidential race because Republicans always win, and the electoral college pretty much makes their votes 'token'
The candidates the Democratic party offers in statewide races do not attract the attention they deserve
2018 really shifted the paradigms and we took back a number of Texas House Seats, flipped two Congressional seats, damn near ditched Cruz and had several state wide positions pull the highest percentages in years.
Not to mention all those African American judicial spots in Harris County
I expect the paradigms to shift more this year. New voters are being registered all over the state; young enthusiastic voters. Our grassroots organizations are attracting new members and the groundgames are energetic and very busy!
I am optimistic about many of our races! I live in Tarrant County and if this county goes blue, the state is not far behind.
ismnotwasm
(41,917 posts)Voting is really amazing when you think about it, and if the country can come together to negate what Trump stands for, it will be amazing
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)has mostly been true since the civil rights bill. Blacks voted against Trump in about the same percentage as they did against W, and against Bush Sr. and against Reagan and against Ford ... So it is not like they had some kind of epiphany with Trump.
The same is generally true of people who voted FOR Trump. Just watched an interview with Ann Coulter on Frontline and she was talking about how Trump won because of the issues of trade and immigration, when the truth is that most of the people who voted for Trump were the same people who voted for Romney and McCain and W and Dole and Bush Sr.....
I still think the real key was Bernie voters just like Nader was decisive in 2000. Enough Bernie supporters were peeved about his primary loss and the news that Hillary supposedly cheated and also the news that she was going to win anyway that a portion of them either stayed home or voted for Stein or Johnson. Enough of them to tip those three states - Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
We hear about the statistic for women because it was thought by many (myself included) that women would support one of their own in the same way that in 2008 I was constantly having black people come into the Democratic headquarters to get Obama signs and also telling me that they were Republicans. One of my co-workers is a libertarian (of all things) but he voted for Obama too.
Back in 2013 before the smear machine opened up on her, my Republican sister in law was telling me that she liked Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
ismnotwasm
(41,917 posts)A lot of my RL friends around and in Seattle refused to vote for Hillary Clinton. They still wouldnt vote for her from what I can tell.
They cry a lot on Facebook though. My arguably most politically active friend,(runs for office semi-regularly) is actually a Libertarianhe hates Trump too.
What did these people expect?
onecaliberal
(32,471 posts)I agree with regard to Bernie. The russia machine did a fine job at sewing division among the two. I see it happening again. We cannot afford for anyone to stay home. This election will come down to us beating multiple layers of cheating and voter suppression from republicans and foreign governments interested in bringing America down.
I proudly voted for Secretary Clinton. She received 3 million more votes than the White House occupant.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Women identify with the men in their class more than with women as a group. There are plenty of women who hate feminists, try to curry favor with men and so on. They weren't excited to have a woman president to have a president that looked like them or whatever, not in enough numbers. Whereas you won't see ethnic/racial groups with many of their members voting against the interests of the group as a whole. And the women in those groups with identify with the men and see their interests that way. The whole concept that women are a voting bloc is wrong.
treestar
(82,383 posts)except for the white men. It seems other than the EC, we win. So unfortunate that it does not really matter what percentage of each racial/gender group voted, except in swing state.
58Sunliner
(4,339 posts)58% of all eligible voters, voted. 26.5% of all eligible voters, voted for DT.
More men than women- @13% of eligible women voters, voted for DT. 13%. Not 53%, not 47%. And guess what?? They were not all white. @29% of Hispanics and Asians voted for DT. (9% of AA who voted, voted for DT-mostly men).
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Quackers
(2,256 posts)nt
WhiteTara
(29,676 posts)Sorry I came off as I did. I'm just saying many white women are as racist as many white men and that privilege is so ingrained that they can't take their blinders off. But I really know nothing and should just keep my fingers still and off the keyboard.
Bettie
(15,997 posts)identify as evangelicals. They tend to vote for whoever the men in their lives tell them to.
WhiteTara
(29,676 posts)without compassion. By human, I meant compassionate toward themselves and all sentient beings.
hlthe2b
(101,704 posts)Now, that's strategic.
WhiteTara
(29,676 posts)sort of like trump impeached himself?
hlthe2b
(101,704 posts)how you think of at least half of the Dem/Progressives I'd think you'd want to be aligned.
How damned ugly. We can all show our disdain for Trump supporters, but when you lump in everyone of a certain gender, race, or ethnicity--just because SOME of that group support Trump, that is DAMNED UGLY and DESTRUCTIVE.
WhiteTara
(29,676 posts)I don't. Sorry to cause such a ruckus.
hlthe2b
(101,704 posts)read what you WROTE! It is shameful. It is divisive. It is not appropriate for a progressive website.
We should be aligned in our progessive/Dem values. Not accusing others of being less so because of race, ethnicity, gender.
WhiteTara
(29,676 posts)and I'm sorry I have upset you so. We've both been on this board since the beginning. I did have a name change that cost me posts; but I am totally behind the democratic agenda (I'm 72 and have been a democrat/feminist all my adult life) I have considered myself progressive and align myself with our social agenda completely.
My original post was a simple statement that not all women are with us and their racism is ugly. I pray for them to gain compassion and to learn to open their hearts. Sorry that I didn't write that thought in a skillful manner that could be understood.
hlthe2b
(101,704 posts)I would certainly hope you are not meaning to convey what you wrote.
The 50- odd percent of white women who did/do support Trump are reprehensible, or at a minimum to be pitied for their failure to be able to recognize him for what he is.
But, I will never lump all white women in with them. Indeed, our future is likely dependent on women's votes and that means AA, Latinas, Asian women AND white women as well as all others.
WhiteTara
(29,676 posts)into the same basket.
I didn't write that, you understood it to say that. I'm going out into the sunshine. I hope that your heart stops hurting from my words.
hlthe2b
(101,704 posts)and go with the pup to enjoy the sunshine. Benefit-of-the-doubt going forward.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I expect a half dozen rebuttal threads in 3-2-1...
WhiteTara
(29,676 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)WhiteTara
(29,676 posts)to a post I didn't understand.
onecaliberal
(32,471 posts)I only know that I have never supported republicans, even before dump. My father was a WWII Veteran, a lifelong hard core Democrat. He always told us that we shouldnt assume 1930s Germany couldnt happen here. Im so glad hes not here to witness.
Fullduplexxx
(7,818 posts)onecaliberal
(32,471 posts)tonedevil
(3,022 posts)If it were 99%. 53% is more than half that seem to be the some of the people you can fool all the time. I don't know about you, but I'm not too proud of that.
onecaliberal
(32,471 posts)Even if its 99%, its not all. I for one am fed up with the conventional wisdom that all of us support that waste of oxygen in the White House. We dont.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)just use that handy form to fight the strawman that all of any demographic voted for anyone or anything. I hope you find it handy.
onecaliberal
(32,471 posts)Have a great day.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)onecaliberal
(32,471 posts)tonedevil
(3,022 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)It's always true. But white women are not a voting bloc (or we'd always have the liberal candidate as the winner). This whole concept, on this and the other 1000000 threads on it, presume somehow that we expect white women to be a voting block.
The percentages are not outrageously high like they are for white men, (63% is a lot, 53% could change). Try as they might, feminists have a different fight than any other type of group - the fact that women still identify more with their class/race than the group "women." And that is likely true of any race, just that the men have an interest in progressive policy. Women are starting to feel equal but not thinking of themselves as a cohesive interest group.
Thus you have women who would actually vote for the pussy grabber. I was one who mistakenly thought that would lose the election for the Dotard.
getagrip_already
(14,226 posts)the 53% number came from flawed exit polling. It got all the categories wrong, not just white woman.
TwilightZone
(25,342 posts)"...a Pew Research Center study using only validated voters and taking potential bias of exit polling into account found that 39% of all women and 47% of white women voted for Trump."
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/jun/20/donald-trump/trump-said-52-women-voted-him-2016-s-misleading-re/
58Sunliner
(4,339 posts)dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)TwilightZone
(25,342 posts)Roughly half of white women didn't vote for Trump. Lumping them all together is pretty disingenuous, yet we see it often.
As you noted, even half is pretty inexplicable, but that doesn't mean the other half should be subject to guilt by association.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Ok
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,145 posts)onecaliberal
(32,471 posts)The remarks and jokes are so small and pathetic. I guess more than anything I dislike being lumped in with them based on nothing but gender and color. (Republicans)
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,145 posts)a reluctance to dig into systemic issues, especially when it's said among a group that one might consider allies. It makes more sense knowing that you're delivering it to people who are making assumptions about your views.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)"Most white women voted for Trump."
"Not ALL white women! How dare you lump is all together!"
onecaliberal
(32,471 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)while white voters are seen as individuals.
For example, we regularly see white voters sliced and diced as old, young, rural, urban, working class, upper middle class, college-educated, non-college-educated, etc.
How often do you see black voters individualized this way?
onecaliberal
(32,471 posts)You never see them divided by subgroup in their gender/race.
I hear what youre saying. I was just venting. Maybe it was the wrong place. I guess there is really no place.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)We're all frustrated
MerryBlooms
(11,728 posts)older black vote. Of course, the whites supporting the particular white candidate of the black elder vote insist the black youth vote is insignificant, and the whites supporting the white candidate getting the elder vote is all powerful. No big deal how white our debate stage is, those black folks dropped out on their own. Some tiny individualization going on, but the disingenuous shit going on this election cycle is embarrassing.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,145 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)I think you could find a gender breakdown if you tried -- there are stats that show more black men voted for Dotard than black women. And age breakdowns too - younger black voters more likely to go for Bernie than Biden. as opposed to older black voters.
Still, black people are more cohesive as a voting block and there are reasons for it. Nobody is saying anything negative about that. But women just never vote together as women - they go for who the men of the same class/race go for, though at least not in as large a percentage when it comes to whites voting for Republicans.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Yes, I'm sure if I tried hard enough, I can find something that treats black people as more than just a fungible block of black people.
treestar
(82,383 posts)It is a fact black people vote for Democrats at a very high percentage. This is why white people are racist, they vote in larger numbers for Rs even racist Dotard, than for Democrats. It is not a criticism that black people vote as a near block for Democrats. And we think the 6% who vote R to be nuts (Thomas, Carson, Omarosa, and the few others).
White people are more notorious for not voting their interests as they prefer racism to their economic interests, thus lower or middle-class white people voting for the "trickle-down" "tax cuts" Repukes.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Pointing out obvious discrepancies in the way white people are viewed vs. blacks and that white people are treated as individuals while we are looked at as a monolith is not playing "victim." In fact, it could be argued that any "victimization involved in such observations is the defensiveness that ensues therefrom.
And, FYI - racism IS an interest that for some people supercedes economic interests.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Especially when all the white women are called out for what others did. That would be objected to for voters of color.
Lulu KC
(2,547 posts)58Sunliner
(4,339 posts)"Not all white women". Don't forget @ 15% of white men who voted, voted for TD.
EX500rider
(10,518 posts)onecaliberal
(32,471 posts)EX500rider
(10,518 posts)Lots of racists would have gone Libertarian or some small wackadoodle party.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)brush
(53,467 posts)Everybody says they were therenow no one wants to admit voting for trump.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,059 posts)I haven't voted anything but straight democratic ticket since 1988.
romana
(765 posts)This white woman most definitely did NOT vote for Trump.
Clinton did win college educated white woman by a lot.
Kaleva
(36,145 posts)onecaliberal
(32,471 posts)GaYellowDawg
(4,443 posts)And as a white man, I think I belong to the dumbest and most entitled demographic there is.
33taw
(2,420 posts)blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)we can do it
(12,116 posts)Hekate
(90,189 posts)Last edited Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:34 PM - Edit history (1)
...every couple of weeks.
ETA: the factoid in question is the implication that "white women" swung the race for Trump.
onecaliberal
(32,471 posts)Hekate
(90,189 posts)...at all of us born melanin-deficient. At DU.
Hard statistical truths are one thing, but making it seem as though "white women" are solely responsible for Trump's win is suspect. Hillary won the popular vote by 3 million more than Trump -- I'm the one that keeps reminding DUers that it took a helluva lot of chicanery to keep her out of the WH.
If I phrased it wrong I apologize.
treestar
(82,383 posts)and it's not fair to point out that black voters vote for the Democrat at about 90% and that's not fair to point out either, which is not ever said to be a bad thing, and is an understandable thing.
onecaliberal
(32,471 posts)Its difficult to continually confront It. I have lost people I loved and cared about. Including my own daughter. Its getting really old.
Hekate
(90,189 posts)...that it might be a good thing Trump won because he'd "shake things up." Jesus wept. I could not even bring myself to ask if that meant she had actually voted for the monster or just let it happen.
My mantra is: She is over 40. She is the mother of my only grandkids, and I want to be in their lives. Do not fight losing battles.
onecaliberal
(32,471 posts)She systemically excluded us from their lives because were not conservative and not religious. We declined to join their church And it kind of went downhill from there. There was no fight between us. She is 30 something. Its been very painful.
Hekate
(90,189 posts)NNadir
(33,368 posts)They are all white women.
My fundie sister-in-law cannot understand how "Christians" voted for Trump, but I suspect most of her friends did.
Another sister-in-law lives and works in Trump land, and she didn't vote for Trump either.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)In 2004, Bush got 55% of the white female vote, and Kerry got 44% a reverse gender gap (one working in the G.O.P.s favor) of eleven points.
In 2008, McCain got 53% of the white female vote, and Obama got 46% a gap of seven points.
In 2012 Romney got 56% of the white female vote; Obama got just 42%.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/whats-up-with-white-women-they-voted-for-romney-too
Hekate
(90,189 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,360 posts)Some women would give up the right to vote in order to elect Trump
http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-trump-backers-tweet-repealthe19th-1476299001-htmlstory.html
Oct. 12, 2016, 12:15 p.m.
Trump backers tweet #repealthe19th after polls show he'd win if only men voted
As polls show that Donald Trump would overwhelmingly win if only men were allowed to vote, the GOP nominee's supporters have spawned a new Twitter hashtag: #repealthe19th.
Thats a reference to the 19th Amendment, which gave women the right to vote.
treestar
(82,383 posts)What an idiot. there are women to this day who think women shouldn't vote! It's an entirely different question / issue than race, class or anything else.
IronLionZion
(45,254 posts)Just like I'm sure white women don't collectively do anything, since there are so many of them of various types and ideologies and motivations. Liberal white women are great. Conservatives, not so much.
treestar
(82,383 posts)whether it's Clarence Thomas, Ann Coulter or any white man.
IronLionZion
(45,254 posts)So the best we can do is support voter registration efforts, fight voter suppression efforts, and make sure our side gets out and votes for our party's candidates this year.
appleannie1
(5,042 posts)I will never understand how a mother of girls and grandmother of girls could give him a pass and think all those women were lying even after the Bush tape came out.
onecaliberal
(32,471 posts)58Sunliner
(4,339 posts)More men than women- @13% of eligible women voters, voted for DT. 13%. Not 53%, not 47%. And guess what?? They were not all white. @29% of Hispanics and Asians voted for DT. (9% of AA who voted, voted for DT-mostly men).
Now please assure me there was no voter fraud.
I am tired of wondering how Dems always get these facts wrong. We are supposed to be the smarter group. It's as if a a layer of denial is pervasive in considering the outcome. The media keeps up this bullshit about both sides when in fact-they are the minority. If it was pukes who were truly the dominant number/demographic do you think they would give a shit about what we think?
onecaliberal
(32,471 posts)58Sunliner
(4,339 posts)And maybe something else which I won't allude to here. It becomes a thing where I keep throwing out facts because people want to blame white women. Not white men, but white women. Which is fine, but blame the @13%. I don't defend anyone voting for the creep, but at least get your facts straight. If we can't get factual about who actually voted for DT, then how are we to address the issues raised by a minority of eligible voters choosing our future? I know what you mean about feeling like you can't breathe. But just keep putting the reality out there. It's as if there is a level of anger that they keep justifying it with the 53-47% without wanting to understand that there are always at least two factors to a percentage. It feels intentional when the facts don't support their assertions. In this case accounting for demographics and eligible voters who actually voted is multiple. Age, sex, party, race, and voting record. It's become so polarized, and coupled with the violence, that I feel like I may retire abroad.
onecaliberal
(32,471 posts)CTyankee
(63,768 posts)a snide remark about the election: "You don't want to know who I'm gonna vote for."
I said "Trump?" she nodded and I asked why. She said he was "standing up" for what she believed in. I wanted to taunt her into actually saying she was supporting "babies in cages" but I thought it wouldn't be very nice, since the salon is staffed by many young women from Central America.
I kinda wished I had said something but I gave an extra big tip to my manicurist instead. She needed my money more than that asshole needed my sarcasm...
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,063 posts)This one certainly didn't but many did. Many perhaps bought into the success businessman BS. Hopefully many have wised up.
Iggo
(47,486 posts)Not All White People is some pretty tough territory to defend at any given time, and totally unnecessary right now.
treestar
(82,383 posts)to say there are white women, and white men, who are liberals and will vote Democratic. We don't want to make a white voting block for the Rs any stronger.
JohnnyRingo
(18,581 posts)"Fat disgusting pig".
Dorian Gray
(13,469 posts)unfortunately a large number did, and we should understand why people collectively are upset with those statistics. I"m upset with those statistics.
whathehell
(28,968 posts)and even those who did vote Trump, did so by a far smaller margin
than white men.
get the red out
(13,458 posts)And there was no way I would vote for him, but if there are any white people (men or women) on my floor at work that dont support him they keep it to themselves (except for me, I dont talk politics at work but I dont keep my being a D secret).
shanti
(21,670 posts)or her mother, and sister. However, an aunt and a cousin both did, and were quite smug about it.