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Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:56 AM

Not all white women voted for trump.

We don't collectively support that orange piece of garbage. Some of us can think for ourselves. In my neck of the woods it is assumed.
How any women support republicans is far beyond my level of comprehension. There is no talking to or reaching them.
My world has become very small, I can no longer even tolerate breathing the same air.

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Reply Not all white women voted for trump. (Original post)
onecaliberal Jan 19 OP
Downtown Hound Jan 19 #1
Lulu KC Jan 19 #67
brush Jan 19 #69
Downtown Hound Jan 19 #76
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Downtown Hound Jan 19 #80
onecaliberal Jan 19 #83
DENVERPOPS Jan 19 #105
58Sunliner Jan 19 #110
Polybius Jan 19 #87
Downtown Hound Jan 19 #89
Lulu KC Jan 19 #90
Ms. Toad Jan 19 #98
Mr.Bill Jan 19 #100
Ms. Toad Jan 19 #136
58Sunliner Jan 19 #109
brush Jan 19 #117
mr_lebowski Jan 19 #2
onecaliberal Jan 19 #10
WhiskeyGrinder Jan 19 #3
onecaliberal Jan 19 #6
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Pacifist Patriot Jan 20 #149
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virgogal Jan 19 #31
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onecaliberal Jan 19 #9
dawg day Jan 19 #111
onecaliberal Jan 19 #131
yellowdogintexas Jan 19 #28
MineralMan Jan 19 #7
Lulu KC Jan 19 #71
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sandensea Jan 19 #11
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Ohiogal Jan 19 #38
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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 11:59 AM

1. Actually, most of them probably didn't.

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:27 PM

67. Thank you!

I missed this piece at the time, but kept wondering how exit polls had become so powerful in their impact when they can't possibly be that accurate.

I do still wonder about Bush 2004 in Ohio....but that's another thing entirely.

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:30 PM

69. Of white women VOTERS he did.A majoriy switched in 2018 though

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Response to brush (Reply #69)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:38 PM

76. According to the article, 47% of white woman voters voted for Trump

45% for Clinton. That leaves 8% who voted for somebody else. Which means 53% of white women voted for somebody other than Trump.

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #76)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:43 PM

78. Point is more voted repug than Democrat. Let's change that.

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Response to brush (Reply #78)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:49 PM

80. Agreed.

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Response to brush (Reply #78)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:59 PM

83. I would love to see this change.

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Response to brush (Reply #78)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:58 PM

105. Sadly for decades

I have asked Republican wives who they were going to vote for.....Almost without exception they all parroted the same exact words: Oh, I take care of the house and kids, my husband follows all the politics and just tells me who to vote for......
And these stepford wives all accepted that completely and weíre just fine with it.....

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Response to brush (Reply #78)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:04 PM

110. No, they did not see my post above.

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #76)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:09 PM

87. And 55% other than Clinton, which I find insane

Serious, WTF did white women have against her?

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Response to Polybius (Reply #87)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:15 PM

89. Republicans waged a very intensive propaganda campaign against her for over a quater of a century.

Lots of people fell for it. Her vote for the Iraq War didn't help combat that image either.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #87)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:15 PM

90. I share your question n/t

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Response to Polybius (Reply #87)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:36 PM

98. I didn't vote against her in the general election

(That would have been irrational.)

However I did in the primary (both when she ran against Obama and in advance of the 2016 election). Her interests do not align closely enough with mine - largely because she is a primarily a political creature whose expressed interests align with whatever she views as most likely to get her elected to the next office. She would be a fantastic Supreme Court Justice (a job for life) - but I don't want her anyplace where her current actions are influenced by what it takes to win the next election.

And - that has nothing to do with my race or gender - other than the principle that I don't vote for people merely because they match my race and gender. I vote for the person I trust most to do the job in a manner that is consistent with my moral principles (regardless of what it takes to get elected). That's not Clinton - as a stand-alone choice. However, in comparison to Trump - she gets my vote.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #87)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:45 PM

100. There's a segment of the female population

that cannot comprehend why she didn't divorce Bill over the Lewinski affair. Most people realize that's none of our business, but some have to project what they would have done onto Hillary.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #100)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 05:54 PM

136. My political distaste for Clinton

has nothing to do with her personal life.

In the last two primaries she was near the bottom of my list of candidates based on her political views or, more precisely, that her political views were malleable based on the whim of what she needed to say or do to get elected. There are jobs in which she does not depend on voters to maintain. I think she would be brilliant in some of those (e.g. as a Supreme Court Justice).

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #76)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:03 PM

109. Math. 26.5% of eligible voters, voted for DT. 58% of all eligible voters voted.

How could 47% of WWV vote for DT if only 26.5% of all eligible voters, voted for him?? @13% of WWV voted for DT. More women actually voted for Hillary.

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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #109)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:28 PM

117. Other candidates.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:02 PM

2. My wife (at the time) definitely did not ... she was deathly ill and even hurling that AM

And still drug her sorry ass to the polls to vote for Hillary.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:13 PM

10. At least she voted for the real president.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:06 PM

3. White women voters have broken for the Democratic presidential candidate only twice since 1952.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:09 PM

6. I have NEVER voted for a republican, I will NEVER vote for a republican.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:10 PM

8. I'm sure that's true.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:27 PM

66. I did once, under very specific conditions

It was a governor's race. A relatively liberal PRO-CHOICE Republican was running against a conservative ANTI-CHOICE Democrat.

That's how strongly I feel about women's rights. I held my nose and crossed the line just once. I vote to support women. 9999999.999999 % of the time that's the Democratic candidate. I've never ever voted R in a Presidential race.

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Response to Withywindle (Reply #66)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 08:09 AM

149. I faced a hideous dilemma in 2018.

The county commission race was between a centrist Republican (lone voice of any sort of reason on a 100% Republican commission) incumbent who has championed a lot of positive things for this district and has a solid environmental record and a Democrat I knew personally. I knew the Democrat to be an unethical person. He solicited contributions to an organization he lead claiming it was a 501(c)(3) when it wasn't even incorporated. He is a close-minded individual who persists in disseminating unscientific information under the guise of being scientific. He has laudable environmental goals, but his methods are wildly unscrupulous.

I did not campaign for the Republican or against the Democrat, but could not in good conscience vote for someone I knew would be a disaster in the job. He would have been an embarrassing public face of a Democratic party struggling to rebuild and reassert itself in our local politics. I think he'd have set Democrats back around here, not propelled them forward.

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Response to Withywindle (Reply #66)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 11:10 AM

153. Was that Bill Weld vs. John Silber (MA Gov)?

That was the only time in my life I have ever voted republican as well. I always vote for the Democratic candidates, even if I don't particularly care for them that much. There has to be a real deal-breaker in there for me not to vote for them, such as being anti-choice or wanting to cut back on healthcare and other social programs, etc.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #153)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 06:56 PM

154. No, George Ryan vs Glenn Poshard in Illinois

Ryan (the relatively liberal R) won. He was a huge crook like they all are - and went to prison later - but he did give us a moratorium on the death penalty so I don't regret that vote at all.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:59 PM

106. I live in an area that in local elections there is not always a Democrat running.

So, I have voted for Republicans. However, after Trump, I cannot see myself ever doing that again.

They let him ruin the party, destroyed any hint of humanity they had.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:52 PM

31. Where did you get that info?

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Response to virgogal (Reply #31)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:57 PM

42. The American National Election Study

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #42)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:03 PM

46. Thanks,very interesting graph.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:06 PM

4. Now.you're talking. K&R

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:08 PM

5. To say the very least, we all didn't vote for him.

Nor did all seniors vote for him.

I, like a lot of the old fogies here, get more liberal as I get older. FYI, I'm now 71.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:12 PM

9. I live in CA22, traitor Nunes district.

People start conversations bashing Democrats. Iíve had very heated exchanges with people. Iím just completely over it. Iím not stupid enough to be a republican.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:14 PM

111. What's it look like there in CA22? Are they really going to stick with Nunes?

He is clearly so deceptive-- going through all those hearings as the ranking member, when he knew all along he was completely tied up with some of the activities under question.

Of course, so many Trumpers are careful never to watch the real news because they don't want to encounter this evidence that could maybe change their minds.

But what do you think? Is there a good Dem candidate there against Nunes, I hope?

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Response to dawg day (Reply #111)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:20 PM

131. I don't see anything changing. Nunes demonstrated his contempt for our constitution before 2018

Despite all of the information in the public square he was re-elected. Andrew Janz, Fresno county prosecutor, was a great candidate in 2018. He had more support in my area than Iíve seen in a very very long time, not enough to get it done.

Liberals are in short supply here. Republicans wouldnít know real news if it knocked them over the head.

Phil Arballo, is running to unseat Nunes this time around. He is a small business owner from Fresno, California. He told Newsweek on Sunday that his campaign has "raised nearly $300,000 from nearly 10,000 contributions" since the impeachment hearings began earlier this month. I guess time will tell. Iím one of those contributors.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:49 PM

28. this old white Southern woman voted Democratic

in every election since I turned 18 (I lived in KY where 18 year olds could vote since 1956)

My first presidential vote was HUmphrey

I live in Texas now and am personally acquainted with around 1500 white Southern women who voted for Hillary, Obama, Gore, and Clinton. They would gladly do so again!

My mother would haunt me for the rest of my life if I ever voted for a Republican for President. She cut me some slack when I lived in Tennessee and voted for Howard Baker and Lamar Alexander for US Senator and Governor respectively Of course Lamar was actually quite moderate back then.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:09 PM

7. Of course they didn't. Is someone claiming that?

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:32 PM

71. "Most white women" is the frequently hurled line

The Time story response says it was probably closer to a tie among white women.

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Response to Lulu KC (Reply #71)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:37 PM

75. I pay no attention to the "hurlings" out there.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #75)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:51 PM

81. They may be more audible to those being accused

But since this one is untrue, no point in paying attention.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 06:01 PM

137. The comment is similar to the "not all men"

response to discussions about rape culture.

I'm not convinced the dynamic is the same (blaming white women for Trump v. blaming men for rape), but the reaction is the same.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:16 PM

11. Reminds me of when Greta van Susteren claimed "Trump won among women voters"

When, of course, it was only among white women - and by 53 to 43, at that.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:17 PM

12. Women of all color . . . .

are afraid of what t-rump will do in order to keep power, i.e. start a war, civil war, major conflict, and their sons, fathers, nephews, brothers, cousins, friends of family, and overall our men will be sent into battle based on lies.

And t-rump will do it, while the Republicans look the other way, and lie, lie, lie.

I see no one is talking about the 11 servicemen concussions re: corporate media huh . . .while t-rump twitter all is well. That is some serious shit.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:56 PM

38. When a reporter asked him in an interview

What has he done for women (I know, gag, gag) he replied that women say he keeps them safe! How any addle brained woman would think that is beyond my comprehension. Especially one who has a husband, son, brother, or dad in the military the way Rump gets so close to starting World War 3! Our country is LESS safe (especially with all the gun freedoms that domestic abusers enjoy) for women than ever! And THIS 60-ish white woman gets more liberal every year!

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #38)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:17 PM

91. Safe from what? P***y grabbers?!

I canít believe that man can still make my brain explode.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #91)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:26 PM

96. I know

My blood pressure certainly goes way up if I listen to him say more than 5 words.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:19 PM

13. ...No, but a lot did

And will do it again.

47% voted for Trump, 45% voted for Clinton one analysis shows (this in contrast to the 52% thatís usually touted)

63% of white men, however, voted for Trump. Apparently men arenít supposed to be offended by Trump, because we hear about the statistic for women more often

Trump offends everybody decent.


Where the difference is stark, is in race. Black people werenít having any of Trump with 88% percent voting for Hillary. 94% of black women voters voted for Hillary. Latino and Hispanics voted over half for Hillaryóanother interesting statistic, that so many thought Trump, was a good idea.


So no, not all women. But far too many.

The problem is in the non voters really.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:24 PM

15. I am acutely aware, as I stated in my OP. It is assumed.

The remarks and bullshit I am bombarded with from those who do support him, assuming I do too has reached a level that is increasingly difficult for me to deal with.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:16 PM

58. I'll bet

I am in a liberal area in the Northwest, (Seattle) so the assumption usually is that there was NO Trump voting, although a surprising number of my friends, who despise Trump, choose to vote 3rd party or write in, and dislike Hillary Clinton with a passion. Their reasoning is that Washington is a ďSafe stateĒ

I simply donít engage politically with them anymore. They are still friends.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:56 PM

41. Non voters are definitely an issue here

It has long been a thing that Democrats don't vote either because

there is no Democrat on the ballot in any local, legislative or judicial races

They do not feel it makes any difference in the Presidential race because Republicans always win, and the electoral college pretty much makes their votes 'token'

The candidates the Democratic party offers in statewide races do not attract the attention they deserve

2018 really shifted the paradigms and we took back a number of Texas House Seats, flipped two Congressional seats, damn near ditched Cruz and had several state wide positions pull the highest percentages in years.

Not to mention all those African American judicial spots in Harris County

I expect the paradigms to shift more this year. New voters are being registered all over the state; young enthusiastic voters. Our grassroots organizations are attracting new members and the groundgames are energetic and very busy!

I am optimistic about many of our races! I live in Tarrant County and if this county goes blue, the state is not far behind.

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Response to yellowdogintexas (Reply #41)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:18 PM

60. Excellent!

Voting is really amazing when you think about it, and if the country can come together to negate what Trump stands for, it will be amazing

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:31 PM

70. but that black vs. white statistic

has mostly been true since the civil rights bill. Blacks voted against Trump in about the same percentage as they did against W, and against Bush Sr. and against Reagan and against Ford ... So it is not like they had some kind of epiphany with Trump.

The same is generally true of people who voted FOR Trump. Just watched an interview with Ann Coulter on Frontline and she was talking about how Trump won because of the issues of trade and immigration, when the truth is that most of the people who voted for Trump were the same people who voted for Romney and McCain and W and Dole and Bush Sr.....

I still think the real key was Bernie voters just like Nader was decisive in 2000. Enough Bernie supporters were peeved about his primary loss and the news that Hillary supposedly cheated and also the news that she was going to win anyway that a portion of them either stayed home or voted for Stein or Johnson. Enough of them to tip those three states - Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

We hear about the statistic for women because it was thought by many (myself included) that women would support one of their own in the same way that in 2008 I was constantly having black people come into the Democratic headquarters to get Obama signs and also telling me that they were Republicans. One of my co-workers is a libertarian (of all things) but he voted for Obama too.

Back in 2013 before the smear machine opened up on her, my Republican sister in law was telling me that she liked Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #70)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:36 PM

74. Well, like I said

A lot of my RL friends around and in Seattle refused to vote for Hillary Clinton. They still wouldnít vote for her from what I can tell.

They cry a lot on Facebook though. My arguably most politically active friend,(runs for office semi-regularly) is actually a Libertarianóhe hates Trump too.

What did these people expect?

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #70)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:58 PM

82. Very good points.

I agree with regard to Bernie. The russia machine did a fine job at sewing division among the two. I see it happening again. We cannot afford for anyone to stay home. This election will come down to us beating multiple layers of cheating and voter suppression from republicans and foreign governments interested in bringing America down.
I proudly voted for Secretary Clinton. She received 3 million more votes than the White House occupant.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #70)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:25 PM

115. yes, women are a majority but not a cohesive group

Women identify with the men in their class more than with women as a group. There are plenty of women who hate feminists, try to curry favor with men and so on. They weren't excited to have a woman president to have a president that looked like them or whatever, not in enough numbers. Whereas you won't see ethnic/racial groups with many of their members voting against the interests of the group as a whole. And the women in those groups with identify with the men and see their interests that way. The whole concept that women are a voting bloc is wrong.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:20 PM

113. The margins aren't that huge

except for the white men. It seems other than the EC, we win. So unfortunate that it does not really matter what percentage of each racial/gender group voted, except in swing state.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 07:59 PM

141. Not true. How could 47% of women, white or otherwise vote for DT if-

58% of all eligible voters, voted. 26.5% of all eligible voters, voted for DT.

More men than women- @13% of eligible women voters, voted for DT. 13%. Not 53%, not 47%. And guess what?? They were not all white. @29% of Hispanics and Asians voted for DT. (9% of AA who voted, voted for DT-mostly men).

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Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:34 PM

16. So white women aren't human? WTF?

nt

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Response to Quackers (Reply #16)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:43 PM

19. What? I'm white and I believe I'm human

Sorry I came off as I did. I'm just saying many white women are as racist as many white men and that privilege is so ingrained that they can't take their blinders off. But I really know nothing and should just keep my fingers still and off the keyboard.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #19)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 10:17 AM

150. The numbers also track with the numbers of white women who

identify as evangelicals. They tend to vote for whoever the men in their lives tell them to.

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Response to Quackers (Reply #16)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:44 PM

21. any racist isn't fully human because they are

without compassion. By human, I meant compassionate toward themselves and all sentient beings.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #14)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:44 PM

20. So, you are willing to write off the 50% (or more) of white women who DID NOT/DO NOT support him?

Now, that's strategic.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:46 PM

23. I don't write anyone off - they do

sort of like trump impeached himself?

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #23)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:48 PM

25. Obviously you write off all non-POC on DU as well? Keep it up. We really want to know

how you think of at least half of the Dem/Progressives I'd think you'd want to be aligned.

How damned ugly. We can all show our disdain for Trump supporters, but when you lump in everyone of a certain gender, race, or ethnicity--just because SOME of that group support Trump, that is DAMNED UGLY and DESTRUCTIVE.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #25)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:50 PM

29. you think that half of Dem/Progressives are racist?

I don't. Sorry to cause such a ruckus.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #29)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:51 PM

30. I certainly do not. It is YOU who just wrote off all white women voters that do NOT support Trump

read what you WROTE! It is shameful. It is divisive. It is not appropriate for a progressive website.

We should be aligned in our progessive/Dem values. Not accusing others of being less so because of race, ethnicity, gender.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #30)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:56 PM

37. I think you entirely misunderstood

and I'm sorry I have upset you so. We've both been on this board since the beginning. I did have a name change that cost me posts; but I am totally behind the democratic agenda (I'm 72 and have been a democrat/feminist all my adult life) I have considered myself progressive and align myself with our social agenda completely.

My original post was a simple statement that not all women are with us and their racism is ugly. I pray for them to gain compassion and to learn to open their hearts. Sorry that I didn't write that thought in a skillful manner that could be understood.



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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #37)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:58 PM

44. That may be your intent. That is NOT what you wrote.

I would certainly hope you are not meaning to convey what you wrote.

The 50- odd percent of white women who did/do support Trump are reprehensible, or at a minimum to be pitied for their failure to be able to recognize him for what he is.

But, I will never lump all white women in with them. Indeed, our future is likely dependent on women's votes and that means AA, Latinas, Asian women AND white women as well as all others.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #44)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:05 PM

48. I did NOT lump all white women

into the same basket.

I didn't write that, you understood it to say that. I'm going out into the sunshine. I hope that your heart stops hurting from my words.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #48)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:48 PM

102. There are times when all of us write something that is misunderstood. I'll follow your lead

and go with the pup to enjoy the sunshine. Benefit-of-the-doubt going forward.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:36 PM

17. This will really upset some people's favorite narrative here.

I expect a half dozen rebuttal threads in 3-2-1...

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Response to cwydro (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:45 PM

22. you mean we're sweet and all loving?

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #22)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:55 PM

36. I actually have no earthly idea what you're trying to ask here.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #36)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:56 PM

40. it was just a nonsensical response

to a post I didn't understand.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:47 PM

24. I can't argue against the fact that so many do support the criminal in the White House.

I only know that I have never supported republicans, even before dump. My father was a WWII Veteran, a lifelong hard core Democrat. He always told us that we shouldnít assume 1930ís Germany couldnít happen here. Iím so glad heís not here to witness.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:42 PM

18. 53%

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:48 PM

26. 53% does not equal 100%. Do not assume you know about all white women.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #26)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:56 PM

39. You could make the same statement...

If it were 99%. 53% is more than half that seem to be the some of the people you can fool all the time. I don't know about you, but I'm not too proud of that.

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #39)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:05 PM

49. I was not writing of pride in my gender. Please go back and read what I wrote.

Even if itís 99%, itís not all. I for one am fed up with the conventional wisdom that all of us support that waste of oxygen in the White House. We donít.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #49)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:12 PM

52. Not all ( fill in the blank)...

just use that handy form to fight the strawman that all of any demographic voted for anyone or anything. I hope you find it handy.

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #52)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:14 PM

54. Clearly you have no intention of understanding what I'm trying to say.

Have a great day.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #54)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:18 PM

61. Nor do you I. /nt

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #61)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:21 PM

62. I don't feel the need. This is exactly why I wrote this OP to begin with.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #62)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:24 PM

65. I'm not quite that arrogant. /nt

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Response to tonedevil (Reply #52)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:31 PM

118. Not all POC voted for Hillary

It's always true. But white women are not a voting bloc (or we'd always have the liberal candidate as the winner). This whole concept, on this and the other 1000000 threads on it, presume somehow that we expect white women to be a voting block.

The percentages are not outrageously high like they are for white men, (63% is a lot, 53% could change). Try as they might, feminists have a different fight than any other type of group - the fact that women still identify more with their class/race than the group "women." And that is likely true of any race, just that the men have an interest in progressive policy. Women are starting to feel equal but not thinking of themselves as a cohesive interest group.

Thus you have women who would actually vote for the pussy grabber. I was one who mistakenly thought that would lose the election for the Dotard.

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:53 PM

32. Nope - 47%

the 53% number came from flawed exit polling. It got all the categories wrong, not just white woman.

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:55 PM

35. Pew had it at 47%

"...a Pew Research Center study ó using only validated voters and taking potential bias of exit polling into account ó found that 39% of all women and 47% of white women voted for Trump."

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/jun/20/donald-trump/trump-said-52-women-voted-him-2016-s-misleading-re/

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:00 PM

142. No. See my other posts.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:48 PM

27. I for damned sure didn't.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:53 PM

33. Agreed. It's easier to stereotype and lump people together into groups, though.

Roughly half of white women didn't vote for Trump. Lumping them all together is pretty disingenuous, yet we see it often.

As you noted, even half is pretty inexplicable, but that doesn't mean the other half should be subject to guilt by association.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:54 PM

34. "Not all white women"

Ok

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #34)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:59 PM

45. That's being missed on this thread. /nt

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #34)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:04 PM

47. Apparently some feel the need to say it every once in awhile, even on a Democratic board.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #47)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:10 PM

50. I'm just venting.It's not that I feel the need to say it here, it's my everyday life in a red county

The remarks and jokes are so small and pathetic. I guess more than anything I dislike being lumped in with them based on nothing but gender and color. (Republicans)

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #50)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:32 PM

72. Yeah, the whole "not all" thing can come across as defensiveness about one's own actions and

a reluctance to dig into systemic issues, especially when it's said among a group that one might consider allies. It makes more sense knowing that you're delivering it to people who are making assumptions about your views.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #72)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:39 PM

77. "Black voters do this. Black voters do that. Black voters support whatshisname," etc.

"Most white women voted for Trump."

"Not ALL white women! How dare you lump is all together!"

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #77)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:05 PM

86. I'm not lecturing anyone. Just venting. Black women have been right since forever... just sayin.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #86)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:18 PM

93. My point is that black voters are often treated as a monolith

while white voters are seen as individuals.

For example, we regularly see white voters sliced and diced as old, young, rural, urban, working class, upper middle class, college-educated, non-college-educated, etc.

How often do you see black voters individualized this way?

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #93)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:21 PM

94. Got it.

You never see them divided by subgroup in their gender/race.
I hear what youíre saying. I was just venting. Maybe it was the wrong place. I guess there is really no place.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #94)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:30 PM

97. I understand

We're all frustrated

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #93)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 09:21 PM

146. This primary there are polls dividing youth black vote and

older black vote. Of course, the whites supporting the particular white candidate of the black elder vote insist the black youth vote is insignificant, and the whites supporting the white candidate getting the elder vote is all powerful. No big deal how white our debate stage is, those black folks dropped out on their own. Some tiny individualization going on, but the disingenuous shit going on this election cycle is embarrassing.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #77)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:14 PM

88. .

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #77)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:38 PM

122. not all black people voted for Hillary

I think you could find a gender breakdown if you tried -- there are stats that show more black men voted for Dotard than black women. And age breakdowns too - younger black voters more likely to go for Bernie than Biden. as opposed to older black voters.

Still, black people are more cohesive as a voting block and there are reasons for it. Nobody is saying anything negative about that. But women just never vote together as women - they go for who the men of the same class/race go for, though at least not in as large a percentage when it comes to whites voting for Republicans.

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Response to treestar (Reply #122)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:20 PM

132. "I think you could find a gender breakdown if you tried"

Yes, I'm sure if I tried hard enough, I can find something that treats black people as more than just a fungible block of black people.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #132)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:41 PM

133. Why is this victimizing in any way?

It is a fact black people vote for Democrats at a very high percentage. This is why white people are racist, they vote in larger numbers for Rs even racist Dotard, than for Democrats. It is not a criticism that black people vote as a near block for Democrats. And we think the 6% who vote R to be nuts (Thomas, Carson, Omarosa, and the few others).

White people are more notorious for not voting their interests as they prefer racism to their economic interests, thus lower or middle-class white people voting for the "trickle-down" "tax cuts" Repukes.

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Response to treestar (Reply #133)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 05:31 PM

135. Who said anything about "victimizing"?

Pointing out obvious discrepancies in the way white people are viewed vs. blacks and that white people are treated as individuals while we are looked at as a monolith is not playing "victim." In fact, it could be argued that any "victimization involved in such observations is the defensiveness that ensues therefrom.

And, FYI - racism IS an interest that for some people supercedes economic interests.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #34)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:16 PM

57. What's wrong with that?

Especially when all the white women are called out for what others did. That would be objected to for voters of color.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #34)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:29 PM

68. Good catch n/t

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #34)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:32 PM

144. @11-13%. 9% of AA men voted for DT, @29% Asian, Latino voters who voted-so you're right.

"Not all white women". Don't forget @ 15% of white men who voted, voted for TD.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 12:57 PM

43. Not all anybody voted for Trump.... nt

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #43)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:11 PM

51. Oy!

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #51)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:45 PM

79. What? 100% of ANY demographic did not vote for Trump.

Lots of racists would have gone Libertarian or some small wackadoodle party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:13 PM

53. The fact that a lot did is disturbing, even more so for men.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #53)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:00 PM

84. Bingo. It's kind of like reverse Woodstock attendance claims.

Everybody says they were thereónow no one wants to admit voting for trump.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:14 PM

55. Just as "not all" old white men voted for the orange buffoon.

I haven't voted anything but straight democratic ticket since 1988.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:15 PM

56. This white woman

This white woman most definitely did NOT vote for Trump.

Clinton did win college educated white woman by a lot.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:17 PM

59. Not all white men voted for Trump either.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #59)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:22 PM

63. Of course not.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #59)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:44 PM

99. Yup.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #59)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:37 PM

121. But a whole hell of a lot did.

And as a white man, I think I belong to the dumbest and most entitled demographic there is.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:23 PM

64. I wouldn't vote for a republican if you held a gun to my head.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:35 PM

73. I'm a white woman and I sure as hell didn't vote for the Orange asshole.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:03 PM

85. I sure didn't, and most of my friends didn't.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:18 PM

92. Thanks. I'm getting really weary of being slapped in the face with that factoid at DU ...

Last edited Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:34 PM - Edit history (1)

...every couple of weeks.

ETA: the factoid in question is the implication that "white women" swung the race for Trump.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #92)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:52 PM

103. Slapped in the face?

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #103)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:33 PM

119. The factoid I thought we were both referring to: "White women voted for Trump" slung like a slap

...at all of us born melanin-deficient. At DU.

Hard statistical truths are one thing, but making it seem as though "white women" are solely responsible for Trump's win is suspect. Hillary won the popular vote by 3 million more than Trump -- I'm the one that keeps reminding DUers that it took a helluva lot of chicanery to keep her out of the WH.

If I phrased it wrong I apologize.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #119)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:41 PM

123. It's like everyone is responsible for their majority

and it's not fair to point out that black voters vote for the Democrat at about 90% and that's not fair to point out either, which is not ever said to be a bad thing, and is an understandable thing.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #119)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:49 PM

127. Just checking to make sure I did not offend you. I respect you greatly.

Itís difficult to continually confront It. I have lost people I loved and cared about. Including my own daughter. Itís getting really old.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #127)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 06:11 PM

138. Back atcha... I try to not discuss much of anything with my daughter since she told me...

...that it might be a good thing Trump won because he'd "shake things up." Jesus wept. I could not even bring myself to ask if that meant she had actually voted for the monster or just let it happen.

My mantra is: She is over 40. She is the mother of my only grandkids, and I want to be in their lives. Do not fight losing battles.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #138)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 06:46 PM

140. My daughter married into an evangelical family.

She systemically excluded us from their lives because weíre not conservative and not religious. We declined to join their church And it kind of went downhill from there. There was no fight between us. She is 30 something. Itís been very painful.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #140)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 09:30 PM

147. What a world

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:22 PM

95. Neither my wife, nor any of her three sisters, one of whom is a Fundie, voted for Trump.

They are all white women.

My fundie sister-in-law cannot understand how "Christians" voted for Trump, but I suspect most of her friends did.

Another sister-in-law lives and works in Trump land, and she didn't vote for Trump either.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:47 PM

101. Hillary did better than Obama and John Kerry with white women.

In 2004, Bush got 55% of the white female vote, and Kerry got 44% óa ďreverse gender gapĒ (one working in the G.O.P.ís favor) of eleven points.

In 2008, McCain got 53% of the white female vote, and Obama got 46% óa gap of seven points.

In 2012 Romney got 56% of the white female vote; Obama got just 42%.


https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/whats-up-with-white-women-they-voted-for-romney-too




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Response to ehrnst (Reply #101)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 06:11 PM

139. Thanks, ehrnst

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 02:57 PM

104. Some women would give up the right to vote in order to elect Trump

Some women would give up the right to vote in order to elect Trump

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-trump-backers-tweet-repealthe19th-1476299001-htmlstory.html

Oct. 12, 2016, 12:15 p.m.

Trump backers tweet #repealthe19th after polls show he'd win if only men voted

As polls show that Donald Trump would overwhelmingly win if only men were allowed to vote, the GOP nominee's supporters have spawned a new Twitter hashtag: #repealthe19th.

Thatís a reference to the 19th Amendment, which gave women the right to vote.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #104)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:43 PM

124. Wasn't that Ann Coulter?

What an idiot. there are women to this day who think women shouldn't vote! It's an entirely different question / issue than race, class or anything else.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:00 PM

107. I'm sure most DUers didn't vote for Trump

Just like I'm sure white women don't collectively do anything, since there are so many of them of various types and ideologies and motivations. Liberal white women are great. Conservatives, not so much.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #107)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:44 PM

125. Yes, a conservative is a conservative

whether it's Clarence Thomas, Ann Coulter or any white man.

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Response to treestar (Reply #125)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:51 PM

128. Indeed, we can't hold liberals accountable for the actions of conservatives

So the best we can do is support voter registration efforts, fight voter suppression efforts, and make sure our side gets out and votes for our party's candidates this year.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:03 PM

108. I know I sure didn't vote for him and lost a friend of over 30 years who did.

I will never understand how a mother of girls and grandmother of girls could give him a pass and think all those women were lying even after the Bush tape came out.

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #108)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:25 PM

114. I lost my daughter.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:17 PM

112. Hey-only 58% of all eligible voters, voted. 26.5% of all eligible voters, voted for DT.

More men than women- @13% of eligible women voters, voted for DT. 13%. Not 53%, not 47%. And guess what?? They were not all white. @29% of Hispanics and Asians voted for DT. (9% of AA who voted, voted for DT-mostly men).
Now please assure me there was no voter fraud.
I am tired of wondering how Dems always get these facts wrong. We are supposed to be the smarter group. It's as if a a layer of denial is pervasive in considering the outcome. The media keeps up this bullshit about both sides when in fact-they are the minority. If it was pukes who were truly the dominant number/demographic do you think they would give a shit about what we think?

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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #112)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:26 PM

116. Thank you for all the information. Great points.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #116)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:24 PM

143. People keep throwing out false statistics. Why? I think sexism has a lot to do with it.

And maybe something else which I won't allude to here. It becomes a thing where I keep throwing out facts because people want to blame white women. Not white men, but white women. Which is fine, but blame the @13%. I don't defend anyone voting for the creep, but at least get your facts straight. If we can't get factual about who actually voted for DT, then how are we to address the issues raised by a minority of eligible voters choosing our future? I know what you mean about feeling like you can't breathe. But just keep putting the reality out there. It's as if there is a level of anger that they keep justifying it with the 53-47% without wanting to understand that there are always at least two factors to a percentage. It feels intentional when the facts don't support their assertions. In this case accounting for demographics and eligible voters who actually voted is multiple. Age, sex, party, race, and voting record. It's become so polarized, and coupled with the violence, that I feel like I may retire abroad.

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Response to 58Sunliner (Reply #143)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 10:30 AM

151. I hope it doesn't come to that. Thanks for the info. I saved it for future use.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:34 PM

120. I was in my nail salon recently having a manicure. The woman on the next table over made

a snide remark about the election: "You don't want to know who I'm gonna vote for."

I said "Trump?" she nodded and I asked why. She said he was "standing up" for what she believed in. I wanted to taunt her into actually saying she was supporting "babies in cages" but I thought it wouldn't be very nice, since the salon is staffed by many young women from Central America.

I kinda wished I had said something but I gave an extra big tip to my manicurist instead. She needed my money more than that asshole needed my sarcasm...

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:46 PM

126. Not all white men either

This one certainly didn't but many did. Many perhaps bought into the success businessman BS. Hopefully many have wised up.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:01 PM

129. ...is an argument we don't need to have here.

ďNot All White PeopleĒ is some pretty tough territory to defend at any given time, and totally unnecessary right now.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #129)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:43 PM

134. No good comes of making it a negative

to say there are white women, and white men, who are liberals and will vote Democratic. We don't want to make a white voting block for the Rs any stronger.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 04:19 PM

130. I know my share of white women, and what most tell me is...

"Fat disgusting pig".

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 08:53 PM

145. Of course we didn't

unfortunately a large number did, and we should understand why people collectively are upset with those statistics. I"m upset with those statistics.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 05:34 AM

148. They certainly did not -- The majority of college educated voted AGAINST him

and even those who did vote Trump, did so by a far smaller margin
than white men.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 11:00 AM

152. Southern white woman here

And there was no way I would vote for him, but if there are any white people (men or women) on my floor at work that donít support him they keep it to themselves (except for me, I donít talk politics at work but I donít keep my being a D secret).

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Mon Jan 20, 2020, 07:02 PM

155. Not this white woman

or her mother, and sister. However, an aunt and a cousin both did, and were quite smug about it.

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