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Thu Jan 16, 2020, 08:31 AM

Big news just now: Ukraine announces criminal investigation!!!

Unfortunately for Trump, however, it’s not the investigation he wanted to be announced...


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Reply Big news just now: Ukraine announces criminal investigation!!! (Original post)
Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2020 OP
Sherman A1 Jan 2020 #1
TheBlackAdder Jan 2020 #43
lagomorph777 Jan 2020 #44
Captain Zero Jan 2020 #59
at140 Jan 2020 #79
Takket Jan 2020 #2
llmart Jan 2020 #3
Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 #4
lark Jan 2020 #20
42bambi Jan 2020 #37
Wawannabe Jan 2020 #62
panader0 Jan 2020 #5
zaj Jan 2020 #6
liberalla Jan 2020 #7
duforsure Jan 2020 #8
lagomorph777 Jan 2020 #45
hatrack Jan 2020 #9
gab13by13 Jan 2020 #10
Zolorp Jan 2020 #12
gab13by13 Jan 2020 #16
Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #70
True Blue American Jan 2020 #64
beastie boy Jan 2020 #13
calimary Jan 2020 #47
Kingofalldems Jan 2020 #14
Tarc Jan 2020 #15
Pacifist Patriot Jan 2020 #18
Zolorp Jan 2020 #22
Pacifist Patriot Jan 2020 #38
NewJeffCT Jan 2020 #24
MerryBlooms Jan 2020 #53
Grasswire2 Jan 2020 #74
DemocracyMouse Jan 2020 #40
DemocracyMouse Jan 2020 #41
lagomorph777 Jan 2020 #48
lunatica Jan 2020 #61
Wawannabe Jan 2020 #63
LanternWaste Jan 2020 #66
triron Jan 2020 #67
Zolorp Jan 2020 #11
Captain Zero Jan 2020 #60
duforsure Jan 2020 #17
Pacifist Patriot Jan 2020 #19
Ohioboy Jan 2020 #21
bluedye33139 Jan 2020 #23
spanone Jan 2020 #25
catbyte Jan 2020 #26
ProfessorGAC Jan 2020 #27
lark Jan 2020 #28
gab13by13 Jan 2020 #30
lark Jan 2020 #33
crickets Jan 2020 #52
FakeNoose Jan 2020 #29
gab13by13 Jan 2020 #32
lark Jan 2020 #34
brewens Jan 2020 #31
Maeve Jan 2020 #35
bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #36
Texin Jan 2020 #39
bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #42
Texin Jan 2020 #46
lagomorph777 Jan 2020 #50
triron Jan 2020 #56
lagomorph777 Jan 2020 #73
Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #78
malaise Jan 2020 #49
awesomerwb1 Jan 2020 #51
Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #71
awesomerwb1 Jan 2020 #75
Marcuse Jan 2020 #77
triron Jan 2020 #54
triron Jan 2020 #55
triron Jan 2020 #57
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2020 #58
SunSeeker Jan 2020 #65
triron Jan 2020 #68
DENVERPOPS Jan 2020 #69
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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 08:32 AM

1. K&R

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:13 AM

43. O' Irony, thou work in mysterious ways!

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #43)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:28 AM

44. Uh-oh. Looks like Turd's made another enemy.

Oops!

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #44)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 01:19 PM

59. He pissed them off withholding the promised aid

And now they have something REAL to investigate.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 07:01 PM

79. Candidate Yang would be my 2nd choice....

if Warren fades.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 08:34 AM

2. Fantastic LOL

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 08:38 AM

3. The news is coming fast and furious these days.

Is it all unravelling for the Dump and his henchmen? For the sake of my country, I sure hope so.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 08:38 AM

4. You know what really stands out about this? Not sure an investigation is happening HERE...

Glad to hear Ukraine's looking into, but a US Ambassador was stalked by an unbalanced Trump support in the Ukraine. I really hope the FBI is looking into this.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:35 AM

20. If they are, they are doing it clandestinely.

Barr wouldn't allow an investigation into drumpf for any reason, he's already stated that in court. He's the fixer and needs to either be impeached or fired for cause - whichever is the appropriate way to get rid of a criminal traitor AG.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:27 AM

37. Also, in reference to Yovanovitch being

under surveillance Lev back tracked a bit claiming that Hyde was just a drunk and all the talk was meaningless. My sense, while listening to Lev, was that it seemed as if he couldn't say too much about that for security reasons - possibly the FBI is gleaning for further info.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 01:58 PM

62. FBI at Hyde's home and office this morning

According to article on CNN website.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 08:38 AM

5. Perfect

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 08:42 AM

6. Odd that they beat William Barr...

... on making this sort of announcement.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 08:43 AM

7. Woo Hoo!!!

woo-fuckin-hoo! Yesereeee!















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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 08:44 AM

8. Barr not already doing this

Will show he knew about all this going on, and it will come back to haunt him. Articles to impeach Barr should be started ASAP for his removal, and his indictments coming after him for his crimes. They also could show trump was also behind her illegal surveillance. Wait for it, trump will claim they are corrupt and threaten them in numerous ways. Republicans in Congress , especially the Senators have to be getting pretty nervous now, and will be forced to convict trying to save themselves. This is still the tip of the iceberg what trumps involved in.

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Response to duforsure (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:30 AM

45. +1 impeach Barr, Pence, Pompeio, Perry

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 08:45 AM

9. Womp Womp!

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:00 AM

10. Don't want to be a Debbie Downer,

but Parnas told Rachel that Hyde was just a drunk, that he didn't believe the texts that Hyde wrote. We have to be careful here, Pernas does not back this up, at least not all of it.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:05 AM

12. Yes, but she was recalled due to a threat.

 

Something was going on there. Parnas and Hyde may have nothing to do with what was going on.

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Response to Zolorp (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:21 AM

16. Well said,

Something obviously shook up the ambassador and the person who warned her. It is definitely deserving of investigation. I am Agreeing with you but didn't explain myself well enough. Thank you.

Whoever was doing this according to Parnas was not Hyde, but we will only find that out if we investigate.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 03:35 PM

70. Do we know who warned her? n/t

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Response to Zolorp (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 02:01 PM

64. That is what the Ukraine

Is investigating. And Pompeo did nothing to protect her. Keystone Kops in action.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:08 AM

13. Drunk or not, stalking is a crime.

Even if it is not a foreign national doing the stalking of a foreign diplomat in a sovereign state. And even if a personal attorney of a foreign head of state is not involved.

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Response to beastie boy (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:37 AM

47. Hell yes, stalking!

Repeated statements that they had somebody inside.
The comments that her computer was turned off.
That she’s talked to three people.
And the locators - she’s next door to the embassy.
Stuff like that.

How do they know all these personal specifics about her, and her comings and goings? How do they know this if they don’t have somebody keeping close tabs directly on her?

Sure sounds like stalking to me. Electronic stalking, personal eyeball stalking or, yes, physical stalking.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:11 AM

14. Nope.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:19 AM

15. "concern" noted

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:23 AM

18. Doesn't matter what Parnas believed.

The investigation may reveal if Hyde was "just a drunk" or not.

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:55 AM

22. I think the investigation will reveal some other Trump flunky stalking and threatening.

 

Hyde is just a clown thrown into the mix to throw off anybody investigating. Lev Parnas said he started drinking when he woke up and he never saw the man when he was not drunk.

But those texts were just enough to spark a REAL investigation and investigations always go where the evidence leads them.

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Response to Zolorp (Reply #22)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:33 AM

38. Wouldn't surprise me if the investigation reveals...

several parties, including a drunk Hyde, were involved in the various campaigns against her. He may have been drunk and bombastic, but that doesn't mean he didn't also try to be a player. I have a feeling there was a bit of Keystone Cop activity going on here.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:57 AM

24. If Hyde was just a drunk

why did Parnas continue to correspond with him for over a week?

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:12 PM

53. Plus, the translated texts between Parnas and the former corrupt

Ukraine prosecutor, reveal continued talks about getting rid of 'Madam' and Parnas guaranteeing she won't get away. I think Parnas is willing to admit to all the dirty dealing about the Biden stuff, but he doesn't want to go down for possible conspiracy to commit murder of a US Ambassador. Everything he says can and will be used against him in court.

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Response to MerryBlooms (Reply #53)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 04:28 PM

74. I have seen several lawyers on twitter marveling that Parnas was revealing so much.

But he did have his lawyer at his side.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:59 AM

40. Anybody pushing the boundaries of ethical behavior eventually has to repress...

...their own misgivings. Hence self-medication on alcohol, lying to themselves, etc. Many soldiers coming back from war, any war, turn to the bottle.

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Response to DemocracyMouse (Reply #40)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:00 AM

41. ...so the drunk Russian is par for the course

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Response to DemocracyMouse (Reply #41)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:48 AM

48. Drunk American, on Trump's golf course, in this case.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 01:55 PM

61. Being a drunk does not, in itself, make anyone automatically a liar.

Two things are relevant here. Maria Yovanovitch was under threat and had to leave the Ukraine very suddenly and Hyde claimed he was watching her.

If he was just a lying drunk then that has to be established. But doesn’t it seem a little too odd that Hyde would be even saying such things and then it turns out she was in harms way?

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 02:00 PM

63. FBI at Hyde's home and office today

According to article on CNN website.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 02:20 PM

66. Drunk for an entire week?

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #66)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 02:35 PM

67. Yeah that was a pretty lame attempt by Parnas to obscure what he really knows.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:04 AM

11. Trump should be careful wishing for investigations by foreign governments.

 

He just might get what he wished for.

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Response to Zolorp (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 01:28 PM

60. Exactly and what if this investigation shows

Rudy, Trump et al conspiring with the FSB or other Russian intel service to keep track of our ambassador, ??and what if shows plans to physically kidnap or attack our ambasador??? Hmmmm?

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:22 AM

17. All media outlets need to...

...start calling for resignations from trump, pence, Barr, Pompeo, and others,, and if they refuse remove them from our government ASAP, or we'll replace all those that refuse to.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:24 AM

19. I love the smell of schadenfreude in the morning.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:47 AM

21. Let the truth be told!

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:55 AM

23. The ambassador was not even allowed to return to her apartment

But went from the embassy straight to the airport, and the state department did not even allow her to go back to her apartment for security reasons.

This whole thing has stunk to high heaven, and it is good that the Ukrainians are taking this matter seriously.

Funding for the operation in the Ukraine did not come from the United States.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:57 AM

25. K&R⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:02 AM

26. 😂😂😂

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:03 AM

27. This Is Why John Oliver Calls This...

...Stupid Watergate!
They thought they were the smartest in the room, when it was quite the opposite.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:04 AM

28. Oh, this has got to chap drumpf to the highest degree.

He couldn't push or threaten them into a fake investigation of Biden, but they voluntarily investigate claims of diplomat harassment. I wonder if anyone has told him? Wouldn't you just love to have been a fly on the wall to see him explode so bigly as I imagine he did.

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Response to lark (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:15 AM

30. Revenge is best served cold,

I hope that is what the new president of Ukraine is doing.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:18 AM

33. It does seem that way.

Hope it makes him smile, it did me.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:00 PM

52. Agreed, and good for him.

If he can not only nail the bastards who were stalking Yovanovitch but also help take down the whole damned Trump cabal, that would be even better.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:06 AM

29. Our State Dept. knew something was up

... because Ambassador Yovanovitch was warned to leave immediately for her own safety. Even if someone sincerely tried to help her - rather than get her out of the way - they knew about the danger she was in. This needs to be investigated and Bill Barr hasn't done shit.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:17 AM

32. The threats were coming from within the house,

the White House.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:22 AM

34. Oh Bill Barr has done shit all right.

He squashed the 13 foreign affairs investigations against drumpf started by Mueller and farmed out to SDNY, he facilitated the murder and cover up of Epstein, he's presently colluding to manufacture lies against Impotus3's chief opponent for the presidency, he's said in court no investigations of the president are allowed and has said no campaign (repug) can be investigated without his approval and that will be approved only if the named defendant is a Dem or a foe of the rw fascist russian repugs.

Bar has got to go, he's neck deep in criminality..

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:16 AM

31. Is this related to Putin's move and the rest of the Russkie government resigning? Maybe they

see an opportunity to stick it to one of Putin's allies? The situation before had them not wanting to cross Putin/Trump. Maybe now they see the best play is to go after them and get in good with the rest of the world.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:24 AM

35. Well, their president IS a comedian!

And payback can be sweet

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:25 AM

36. It was really shrewd how Lev Parnas just floated the idea out there

that Hyde's texts were just the jests of a drunk. Rachel did ask about them being sent over the course of a week and the subject went elsewhere.

If it were all in jest, why was the Ambassador advised to flee for her own safety, and who tipped her off? Sounds like this story has legs.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:53 AM

39. Good idea to (try to) minimize Hyde's activities, or else face criminal conspiracy to commit murder.

When the texts, emails, meetings, etc., are taken together, Parnas would have been candidly discussing their apparent plans to assassinate a United States ambassador who had become an *inconvenient* woman. It was smart of him to try to laugh off Hyde as a drunk and a low level hanger-on, but as both Chris Matthews, Rachel and Lawrence all said last evening, there was too much specificity and detail about her locations and activities. Somebody was following Amb. Yovanovitch. Someone was passing on this info to Hyde who, in turn, was passing it on to Parnas - or the intended fall guy. At least, I believe he was the one left holding the bag and was the intended useful idiot tRump, Ghouliani, and their mob attorneys (DiGenova, Toensing, Ghouliani, and Barr) would implicate in a plot to have Amb. Yovanovitch murdered on the street, disappeared or *roughed up*. More than once I saw Rachel giving Parnas the side eye about Hyde's activities and Parnas's attempt to brush it all off. Frankly, the content of the texts certainly didn't seem like the incoherent utterances of someone so alcohol impaired he could barely hold onto his smartphone and have the manual dexterity to type out a text. When a person is so drunk from hours of continuous drinking, they simply don't have the coordination or ability to string together intelligent (hah!) thought. I mean, seriously, how did Hyde even get roped into this cabal? Another useful idiot fall guy to take a rap? Who knows any longer.

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Response to Texin (Reply #39)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:04 AM

42. Bingo!

And if viewers can see it just watching the interview, that means Senate Republicans are sitting on a powder keg and will be the last to find out, or at least to admit it to themselves.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #42)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:32 AM

46. You realize that they (most of them) knew about this? Certainly McConnel knew.

That's why he wanted the Articles immediately. He was going to get his bobblehead retrumplicans to vote immediately to dismiss. I believe the whole lot of them were aware that they were trying to perform brain surgery on a hand grenade about to blow and wanted to get this over and done with and in the tank for their Man in Moscow - or on the Potomac as the case may be.

They can *vote* to make this all go away for tRump, but they're going to be facing reelection and meeting with their constituents in the near term, and they're going to be the ones facing the grilles of the voters and the consequences. And the stench that wafts into the nostrils of people trailing in their tainted and corrupt wake is going to be noxious to the point of unconsciousness. Probably though, they won't face any repercussions from the voters. Probably. They're certainly betting their futures on that. After all, they're all going to have a *debt* to pay for it. But, we shall see.

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Response to Texin (Reply #46)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:52 AM

50. And most certainly House Russiapublicans knew because they were part of the plot.

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Parnas directly implicates Devil Nunes.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #50)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 01:03 PM

56. House Dems? Nunes is a republican.

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Response to triron (Reply #56)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 03:54 PM

73. Holy crap did I screw that one up! Sorry, meant "House Russiapublicans!"

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Response to Texin (Reply #39)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 06:29 PM

78. it's already a criminal conspiracy to impede or injure officer

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:50 AM

49. This is HUGE

Rec

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:56 AM

51. What does Ukraine have to gain from this?

They need our money. They wouldn't risk financial assistance by angering trump.

This is designed to help trump. The result of this "investigation" will be favorable to trump by design.

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Response to awesomerwb1 (Reply #51)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 03:37 PM

71. I would think they would want to get rid of Trump.

Much more likely they will get the aid due them in a timely fashion from a Democratic president.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #71)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 04:33 PM

75. Highly doubt they would take

the risk of trump winning (bye bye aid) when they can get their reward soon by conducting a crappy investigation that benefits trump.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #71)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 06:06 PM

77. They want what they've always wanted - bipartisan support. Trump put that at risk

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:12 PM

54. Looks like Ukraine is taking the lead from USDOJ. How ironic.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 01:01 PM

55. So what happens if the investigation implicates Trump?

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 01:11 PM

57. Hope Rachel brings this up tonite.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 01:14 PM

58. Oops

It's going to be even richer if we find out if he knew about/allowed surveillance of the former Ukrainian Ambassador.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 02:18 PM

65. Trump finally got an investigation announcement out of Ukraine!

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #65)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 02:36 PM

68. Irony is superb.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 03:25 PM

69. I can only imagine a C5A circling over Ukraine

Fully loaded with pallets of shrink wrapped 100 dollar bills, awaiting the results.......

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 03:45 PM

72. :) Trump's still illegally holding money designated for Ukraine,

and his Putin-linked malice toward Ukraine is known planet-wide. Just maybe he's made an enemy or two over there.


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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 04:40 PM

76. They may still fear repercussions from 45, so the investigation may go nowhere.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Jan 16, 2020, 08:07 PM

80. He's such a failure. Everything he touches turns to tRump.

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