This is a very basic definition of trial.

[onecaliberal]

A formal examination of evidence before a judge, and typically before a jury, in order to decide guilt in a case of criminal or civil proceedings.

Without an opportunity for witnesses or evidence how can one call that a trial. The media should stop calling it a trial. Dems should stop calling it a trial too.

Mitch crying about the articles being held up is a joke. I have two words for that fucker,
Merrick Garland. When McTraitor mentions the Speaker holding the articles, the response should always be Merrick Garland.

[UniteFightBack]

1. I said to my deplorable co worker what kind of trial has no witnesses??? I said I'll answer for you

a rigged one. And if Bolton testifies the dump presidency is over. He had nothing to say to that.

[onecaliberal]

2. What can they say. We all know most of them are perfectly aware

Of the criminality. They’re on board with it.

[AncientGeezer]

3. This relies on a false assumption...

That an impeachment trial is in any way similar to a criminal trial

[onecaliberal]

4. Not really, the constitution calls the process a trial. Although, the senate makes the rules.

For anyone attempting to demonstrate or prove innocence, documentation and or witnesses are brought in.

[AncientGeezer]

6. See......you've got this wrong....already.

"For anyone attempting to demonstrate or prove innocence"......That is NOT the standard. NO defendant has to prove innocence...the prosecution has to prove guilt.

[onecaliberal]

11. The whole reason for a trial is to find fact. If you're not interesting In getting at the truth you

Don’t need no stinking witness or documents.

[AncientGeezer]

15. NO..the reason for a trial is to PROVE the facts already in evidence. How do you not know that?

No prosecutor goes to trial without the evidence...the "facts" gathered in the investigation... and no Judge says...let's do wiretaps now that the defendant is here being tried. Judicial malpractice if that happened.
The House was the investigative body for the Articles....they have to prove guilt just like when the R's went after President Clinton..

[coti]

5. No, it doesn't. It considers any trial a forum for evaluation of truth. nt

[AncientGeezer]

7. Source that in the Constitution....re: the impeachment sections..

[coti]

8. It's the English language. Would you take a dictionary? nt

[AncientGeezer]

9. The Constitution will do...I have mine right here and know it inside out

[coti]

10. The Constitution is written in English, I think you're going to have to refer back.

By the way, the OP already gave you the dictionary definition of a trial right there in his post. That's just what it is, the same as 2 + 2 = 4.

[onecaliberal]

12. Exactly.

[AncientGeezer]

17. Problem is you are incorrect....

[onecaliberal]

19. Says you. You're welcome to think whatever you'd like. It doesn't mean you're correct.

[AncientGeezer]

20. You said...and I quote...

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"For anyone attempting to demonstrate or prove innocence, documentation and or witnesses are brought in."

That's not how trials work...no defendant has to prove innocence...I ask again...how do you not know that?

[AncientGeezer]

13. The OP also said this....

"For anyone attempting to demonstrate or prove innocence, documentation and or witnesses are brought in."

In what court does a defendant have to prove innocence? Your dictionary must be able to give that answer... right.
It's NOT up to a defendant to prove innocence....it's up to the prosecution to prove guilt......you know that... right?

You are trying to conflate a criminal or civil trial with the impeachment process... it's apples to cactus different...you know that...right?

[coti]

14. Defendants try to prove innocence all the time. You're getting confused.

He could have just as easily said "For anyone attempting to demonstrate or prove guilt, documentation and/or witnesses are brought in." The key words aren't "innocence" or "guilt" in those sentences, they are "demonstrate" and "prove." The point is, to prove or demonstrate an (a posteriori) proposition, you need some kind of evidence- which is the whole purpose of a trial. You just didn't understand his point.

[AncientGeezer]

16. Trying too hard....you summed it up here and you didn't know it.

"The point is, to prove or demonstrate an (a posteriori) proposition, you need some kind of evidence- which is the whole purpose of a trial."

You DO NOT go to trial without the evidence, the "facts".......no prosecutor goes into a court room and says.."Judge we have our perp in front of a jury and you.. Your Honor...now we want to investigate the crime we are accusing him/her of... so can you give us what we didn't get before we got here? We have no evidence to convict but the trial is where we get the evidence....you'll let us investigate now with the defendant in court "

That's basically what you're saying...that a trial is an investigative body....but it's Not.
The trial is to decide the facts/evidence presented....by those charging.
NO prosecutor worth a crap goes to trial without a solid case backed by evidence...they don't go fishing

[coti]

21. Now you're deliberately TRYING to confuse and contort.

Obviously, you bring the evidence to the trial to be evaluated, you don't investigate there. All totally beside the point. You should just be quiet at this point, you're arguing dishonestly.

[onenote]

18. The Supreme Court has addressed the meaning of "try" in the Constitution

concluding, in Nixon v. US (1993), "that "try" lacks sufficient precision to afford any judicially manageable standard of review in light of older and modern dictionary definitions"

More specifically, the SCOTUS concluded that the Constitution's use of the term "try" did not preclude the Senate from using a process in which witnesses were heard and examined by a committee which then reported to the rest of the Senate. Obviously, in a typical "trial" it would not be proper to create a subcommittee of jurors to hear the witnesses and then report to the rest of the jury.