a moderate Republican friend says that if Biden gets the Dem nomination she'll vote for him but

[imavoter]

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if it's Warren or Sanders she'll vote for Trump.

She said "the only thing that would make me vote for Trump is if Warren or Sanders
gets the nomination."

She didn't vote for him the first time, either.

She thinks moderates will vote for Biden. And she's friends with a lot of conservatives that would do the same.

I should say she's a large republican donor, knows Senators, Congressmen, yada yada type people.
She has that kind of money and runs in those circles.

I'm a middle class/working class Dem, of course. She and I used to live in the same neighborhood and met at the local breakfast joint that's old school when it's busy people sit together.

Just thought I'd drop that here. I personally will vote for any warm body that would beat Trump.

Who do you think can beat T-rump?
I'm not really convinced that the American people have really learned any lessons here and
will vote for him again. Granted, I know he didn't win the majority popular vote (I'm not talking in that context).
I'm hoping I'm wrong, but I have a bad feeling about him winning again, and it makes me sick to my stomach.

[USALiberal]

1. Wrong forum!! Nt

[DFW]

15. It concerns the General Election as much as anything else

Surely there has to be SOME ground for a liberal interpretation of the rules.

[BigmanPigman]

2. I seem to hear this a lot too.

[imavoter]

3. about voting for Biden

or worrying Frump will win?

[BigmanPigman]

4. About Biden and not going to the extremes of the party.

I think this is the general consensus. I heard it after the vote in England the other week too. I think it was supposed to be a warning/heads up.

[ooky]

6. It makes sense that moderate Republicans who don't like Trump

would prefer a moderate democrat to cross parties with their vote. But if Biden or another moderate democrat doesn't win the nomination try to convince her to stay home instead of vote for Trump.

[Jake Stern]

7. From your description she sure sounds like Trump's kind of gal

A major league my-way-or-the-highway attitude that almost certainly comes from comfy privilege.

If she's so hateful of Warren or Sanders that she'd vote for the other side out of spite if either get the nomination then I say she should just cut the shit and vote for Trump.

[marble falls]

8. Anyone who'd vote for Trump is a shit head.

[leftstreet]

10. +1

[Renfarmrenie]

20. Agreed. But shitheads vote.

I am not super picky on who votes against Trump. And I really feel like I might not make it through another four years of this.

[Demonaut]

9. She's weak, pick better friends

[Caliman73]

11. She seems to want to retain the status quo.

Rich people of course, do not want the power of government used to try to balance the playing field even a little bit. Warren and Sanders propose to use government to balance the playing field a lot.

Of course they want a moderate Democrat who will not disrupt, but trim around the edges.

It is why Bloomberg and the other billionaires who are moderate have decided to enter the race. They see their uninterrupted dominance of the economic system for the last 60 years coming to an abrupt stop if Warren or Sanders get their chance.

They seem to prefer a United States that slips further in to "second nation" and pariah status than to have their taxes go up.

Typical rich.

[DeminPennswoods]

13. Generally think this is the right analysis

Moderate/centrists are not a real threat to the status quo, only willing, as you say, to trim a bit around the edges.

[Hekate]

12. First, "the American people" voted for Hillary over Trump by 3 million votes. The "lesson"...

...that needs to be learned has to do with fighting against New Jim Crow Laws that suppress votes, vicious gerrymandering that carves out seeming GOP majorities from what are actually majority-Dem districts, and old-fashioned crap like that. Obama, Holder, and other high profile Dems are working on this, and you can check it out at All On The Line.

In addition, there are 3rd-party and spoiler candidates that invariably peel off left-leaning folk and young idealists. Democratic tolerance works against us in close elections. I, for one, am no longer amused and have run out of tolerance.

The new-fangled stuff has to do with electronic voting machinery that is and always has been hackable. It's not so much that your vote get flipped before your eyes (though that has happened), but that totals can so easily be changed in mid-transmission. Paper ballots are far more reliable, and we need laws that stop over-excitable media types from calling elections before votes are truly counted.

More new-fangled chicanery is the use of Face Book to transmit propaganda. Right now, the GOP and Russian bots own the FB political advertising and comment space. First we need to convince one of those billionaires running a vanity-campaign to redirect their money toward FB in a way beneficial to all Dems. Second, as soon as we can get rid of Moscow Mitch and Red Don, the House and Senate need to rein in Zuckerberg with sharp-toothed laws about his business practices.

Finally, we have to recognize that our last presidential election was subverted, sabotaged, and invaded by a hostile foreign power, and act accordingly. Again, getting rid of McConnell and Trump are Priority One, as they and their enablers are literally treasonous.

Not every voter knows all this, but DUers do, and it is our job to keep straight in our minds that the majority of the American people did NOT vote for this.

[JHB]

14. Your friend isn't a moderate

Conservatives have so normalized guanopath lunacy that it obscures how far to the right they are even when they're not breathing fire.

What's the issue with Warren or Sanders that Trump still looks like a plus to her? Wooooooo! Sociaaalllllismmmmmm!?

Does she fret about "European socialism" in one breath then talk about "the free world" in the next? Even though they're the same countries? Does she think we were socialist during the Cold War?

[DFW]

16. We don't have socialism here in Europe to begin with

That died out between 1989 and 1991.

What we DO have is social democracies in varying forms.

[Wounded Bear]

17. I smell troll shit...

Tired of hearing all the electability crap.

Tired of electing pseudo-Dems so we can "attract" Repub votes that we'll never really get anyway.

I'll vote for any 'warm body' Dem that isn't fucking Trump, and you can tell your Repub friend that. Please feel free to quote me.

[RandiFan1290]

18. Cool story, bro. nt

[obamanut2012]

19. cool story, bro

[octoberlib]

21. Tell her to read this op- Ed by the founders

of the Lincoln Project. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/opinion/lincoln-project.html Rick Wilson, George Conway, Steve Schmidt and John Weaver. It isn’t about policy , it’s about character and retaining our Constitutional Republic.

[Omaha Steve]

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