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President Trump to sign an order to interpret Judaism as a nationality (Original Post) tenderfoot Dec 2019 OP
The crazy... it hurts. He must be doing ot for Netanyahu. Or something. applegrove Dec 2019 #1
How is that supposed to work? The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #2
This is problematic on many levels. PCIntern Dec 2019 #3
Yes. I don't understand the point of it The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #4
Then palestinians in Israel can't vote if they are not 'of the nation'???? applegrove Dec 2019 #7
BINGO Zoonart Dec 2019 #8
Reminds me of expulsion and termination by the Nazis. LiberalFighter Dec 2019 #38
Sounds like saying edhopper Dec 2019 #5
Christ on a half-shell, is there no END to this man's paralyzing stupidity ? Haggis for Breakfast Dec 2019 #6
From twitter: Qutzupalotl Dec 2019 #9
Hoo boy, this could go very wrong. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #11
The Tweet: Rabbi Emily Cohen... appalachiablue Dec 2019 #19
wow. Scary Demovictory9 Dec 2019 #40
Only so-called white evangelical christians need reside. democratisphere Dec 2019 #41
It means that Jews are not Americans The Blue Flower Dec 2019 #10
Ohhhh so if they are not Americans then they can't vote here. LiberalFighter Dec 2019 #39
WTH is the purpose of this? 3catwoman3 Dec 2019 #12
He's Trying To Make An Issue Of Dual Citizenship Me. Dec 2019 #13
Which nation would THAT be??? elleng Dec 2019 #14
*Somebody pull NYT article, post in LBN, or WaPo, Haaretz? I haven't subscriptions. appalachiablue Dec 2019 #18
Trump Targets Anti-Semitism and Israeli Boycotts on College Campuses. elleng Dec 2019 #23
TY! It's posted in LBN now. This is so weird! appalachiablue Dec 2019 #28
Thanks. elleng Dec 2019 #29
Whose idea is this? Trump's too stupid to think of it. Karadeniz Dec 2019 #15
Stephen Goebbels, I mean Miller, most likely. tanyev Dec 2019 #20
right elleng Dec 2019 #30
I think anti-Semitism, like racism, is in his family upbringing. The tropes come too easily... Hekate Dec 2019 #45
Seriously, WTF? captain queeg Dec 2019 #16
Okay, then. OilemFirchen Dec 2019 #17
The pushback will prevent this from happening. madaboutharry Dec 2019 #21
Courts will toss it Jake Stern Dec 2019 #22
Umm, I don't see this turning out well at all. smirkymonkey Dec 2019 #24
Trump Targets Anti-Semitism and Israeli Boycotts on College Campuses (NYT headline) icymist Dec 2019 #25
It empowers the Education Department to withhold money from institutions that tolerate... mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2019 #26
so from what i read......... Takket Dec 2019 #27
I imagine he'll be declaring a new number soon world wide wally Dec 2019 #31
+1, it'll be 999 and MAGA Suckers will love it uponit7771 Dec 2019 #32
Why defining American Jews as a nationality is dangerous icymist Dec 2019 #33
And now the ADL is suddenly in favor of it? Crunchy Frog Dec 2019 #42
Yeah, I just read this in The Times of Israel... I'm not sure what to make of this. icymist Dec 2019 #43
This also establishes a precedent to do the same to people who are Muslim. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2019 #34
Or POC. Or Puerto Ricans. icymist Dec 2019 #35
Judaism is not a nationality Gothmog Dec 2019 #36
Smells of Steven Miller. More to come no doubt. JDC Dec 2019 #37
How very medieval of him. The stupid...it causes death-camps. Hekate Dec 2019 #44
With impeachment underway Harker Dec 2019 #46
This is unacceptable. Mersky Dec 2019 #47
natanyahu lieks this DonCoquixote Dec 2019 #48

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,270 posts)
2. How is that supposed to work?
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:24 PM
Dec 2019

If you're an American (or a German or a Dane or an Italian, for example) who happens to be Jewish, are you now not an American (or a German or a Dane or an Italian) any more?

applegrove

(118,012 posts)
7. Then palestinians in Israel can't vote if they are not 'of the nation'????
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:29 PM
Dec 2019

Maybe this is like killing the dreamers act - a negotiating stance meant to scare palestinians into accepting Jared's peace plan?

Zoonart

(11,748 posts)
8. BINGO
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:29 PM
Dec 2019

This is meant to classify Jews as other...not Americans. What's next...special papers? expulsion?

Wake up fellow Americans. This is terrifying.

appalachiablue

(41,052 posts)
19. The Tweet: Rabbi Emily Cohen...
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:07 PM
Dec 2019

Rabbi Emily Cohen? @ThatRabbiCohen

Follow Follow @ThatRabbiCohen

Rabbi Emily Cohen Retweeted NYT Politics

It is really, *really* frightening for us to be defined as a nationality. The trope of "dual loyalism" is classic antisemitism. It encourages people to view American Jews as professing greater loyalty to Israel than to the United States-- thereby making us untrustworthy.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
13. He's Trying To Make An Issue Of Dual Citizenship
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 10:36 PM
Dec 2019

The courts will sort him out and at the same time this will ignite the Jewish Community against him.

appalachiablue

(41,052 posts)
18. *Somebody pull NYT article, post in LBN, or WaPo, Haaretz? I haven't subscriptions.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:03 PM
Dec 2019

> "Trump signs executive order declaring Judaism a nationality. You should be alarmed." Posted by a Jewish Daily Kos member tonight.

(Daily Kos) From the New York Times: www.nytimes.com/…

The order will effectively interpret Judaism as a nationality, not just a religion, to trigger a federal law penalizing colleges and universities deemed to be shirking their responsibility to foster an open climate for minority students, according to the officials, who insisted on anonymity to discuss the matter before the announcement.

I’m throwing this up hastily as I have to leave soon. On the surface this is a move to punish free speech on college campuses that have groups supporting BDS. I’m personally against the settlements, and most things the Israeli government has done in regards to the occupation, but not in favor of BDS myself. However, this order could have broader implications. It evokes for me pre-enlightenment laws used in Europe to separate Jewish people from the rest of the population, which later were used to justify preventing Jews from owning property, serving in government, and so forth.

I’m Jewish, but my nationality is American. This is an alarming development to me, and I think to many others. Please help shine a light on this. Your opinion of BDS should not be a factor. This is wrong, and dangerous.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/12/10/1904829/-Trump-signs-executive-order-declaring-Judaism-a-nationality-You-should-be-alarmed

elleng

(130,126 posts)
23. Trump Targets Anti-Semitism and Israeli Boycotts on College Campuses.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:12 PM
Dec 2019

'The president’s order would allow the government to withhold money from campuses deemed to be biased, but critics see it as an attack on free speech. . .

The order will effectively interpret Judaism as a race or nationality, not just a religion, to prompt a federal law penalizing colleges and universities deemed to be shirking their responsibility to foster an open climate for minority students. In recent years, the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions — or B.D.S. — movement against Israel has roiled some campuses, leaving some Jewish students feeling unwelcome or attacked.

In signing the order, Mr. Trump will use his executive power to take action where Congress has not, essentially replicating bipartisan legislation that has stalled on Capitol Hill for several years. Prominent Democrats have joined Republicans in promoting such a policy change to combat anti-Semitism as well as the boycott-Israel movement.

But critics complained that such a policy could be used to stifle free speech and legitimate opposition to Israel’s policies toward Palestinians in the name of fighting anti-Semitism. The definition of anti-Semitism to be used in the order matches the one used by the State Department and by dozens of other nations, but it has been criticized as too open-ended and sweeping.'>>>

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/10/us/politics/trump-antisemitism-executive-order.html



Hekate

(90,189 posts)
45. I think anti-Semitism, like racism, is in his family upbringing. The tropes come too easily...
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:55 AM
Dec 2019

This comes right outta Trump's gut, like all the rest of his shit.

captain queeg

(10,035 posts)
16. Seriously, WTF?
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:01 PM
Dec 2019

I guess we should just be happy that he spends his time on stuff like this and flushing toilets. Keeps him occupied. He obviously has no idea what a president does

madaboutharry

(40,150 posts)
21. The pushback will prevent this from happening.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:10 PM
Dec 2019

Jews don’t need this jackass telling them who they are.

This is a completely fucked up idea.

mahatmakanejeeves

(56,888 posts)
26. It empowers the Education Department to withhold money from institutions that tolerate...
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:18 PM
Dec 2019
I’ll just wait right here for all the people really concerned with free speech on campus to show up to talk about this it will be any minute now



Trump to sign executive order effectively interpreting Judaism as a nationality, not just a religion and empowering the Education Department to withhold money from institutions that tolerate anti-Israel movements


Takket

(21,424 posts)
27. so from what i read.........
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:21 PM
Dec 2019

This looks like it is intended to stop persons from protesting Israel......

The times article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/10/us/politics/trump-antisemitism-executive-order.html?smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur

Quote from article:

Among those welcoming the move on Tuesday was Jonathan Greenblatt, the chief executive of the Anti-Defamation League, who said the group recorded its third-highest level of anti-Semitic episodes in the United States last year.

~snip

Here's the thing.... we know antisemitism is up.... but if anyone thinks it is because of college kids opposing Israel's oppression of the Palestinians.... they haven't been paying attention. It is the dog whistles from drumpf and company towards ANY person that is not a white, male, evangelical that are driving up attacks on EVERYONE.

icymist

(15,888 posts)
33. Why defining American Jews as a nationality is dangerous
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:35 PM
Dec 2019

?s=20

For centuries, the notion that a Jewish person is “disloyal” or has a “dual loyalty” has been used to ostracize Jews and helped stoke the fires of #antiSemitism. Our experts break down this concept and why it’s so dangerous:

Straight Talk on the Charge of Jewish Disloyalty
November 27, 2018

The charge of disloyalty has been used to harass, marginalize, and persecute the Jewish people for centuries. Sometimes referred to as the “dual loyalty” charge, it alleges that Jews should be suspected of being disloyal neighbors or citizens because their true allegiance is to their coreligionists around the world or to a secret and immoral Jewish agenda. This anti-Semitic allegation posits that non-Jews should not trust the motives or actions of their Jewish neighbors, who may be engaged in deceitful behavior to accomplish their own goals at the expense of others.
https://www.adl.org/blog/straight-talk-on-the-charge-of-jewish-disloyalty

icymist

(15,888 posts)
43. Yeah, I just read this in The Times of Israel... I'm not sure what to make of this.
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:42 AM
Dec 2019
Trump to sign order recognizing Jewish university students as a protected class

JTA — US President Donald Trump will sign an executive order recognizing Jewish university students as a class protected from discrimination.

The legislation would effectively recognize Jews as an ethnic minority and not exclusively as a religious group.

The order, to be signed Wednesday, according to The New York Times, leapfrogs bipartisan legislation in Congress that would do the same thing.

Colleges that fail to tackle anti-Semitism under the order could lose out on federal funding.

Republican lawmakers are expected to attend the signing of the order, but Democrats, including those who pushed for the legislation, are not likely to attend.

The signing of the order will coincide with the White House Hanukkah parties.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-to-sign-order-recognizing-jewish-university-students-as-a-protected-class/

icymist

(15,888 posts)
35. Or POC. Or Puerto Ricans.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:43 PM
Dec 2019

Last edited Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:44 AM - Edit history (1)

This is bad. Just bad.

On edit, I'm not sure of what to make of all this now. (See above at post #43)

Mersky

(4,969 posts)
47. This is unacceptable.
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 01:23 AM
Dec 2019

I just don't know what to say. He can't do that. He just can't do that. That isn't how it works.

DonCoquixote

(13,615 posts)
48. natanyahu lieks this
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 01:32 AM
Dec 2019

Because he will want Jews to think of themselves as Jews first., which is his mind is Israelis first. Now the sad thing is Trump may believe he is helping the jews, but he minute he goes, the Stephen millers and steve bannons of the world will make damned sure this is used to go after Ivanka, jared, and any other jew.

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