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Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 02:29 PM Dec 2019

Breaking: Active Shooter, Jersey City NJ

No further info.

Police scanner: https://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/25863

Active Shooter Jersey City, Still shooting out thru storefront. (8 minutes ago)

EDIT: Changed Hudson County to Jersey City.

UPDATE: Two law enforcement officers possibly shot (NBC 4 NY)

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Breaking: Active Shooter, Jersey City NJ (Original Post) Mike 03 Dec 2019 OP
WNBC link as well: Dennis Donovan Dec 2019 #1
Thank you! Mike 03 Dec 2019 #2
crazy to listen to in real time RT Atlanta Dec 2019 #3
Shouldn't there be betting pools by now? FiveGoodMen Dec 2019 #4
Yes, there should be Takket Dec 2019 #9
"People would say that is incredibly morbid and offensive" whathehell Dec 2019 #31
Trump, will be proposing a National Lottery to pick the next one! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2019 #10
No, and I think your statement is callous and ugly. whathehell Dec 2019 #29
+1 crickets Dec 2019 #35
Thank you n/t. whathehell Dec 2019 #37
I agree. nt dware Dec 2019 #40
Thank you. n/t whathehell Dec 2019 #50
In this country we call that Tuesday. Vinca Dec 2019 #5
Still hearing "shots fired" at 1:50 EST. Mike 03 Dec 2019 #6
Officer on radio: "Both actors may be down." Mike 03 Dec 2019 #7
Per police radio: Mike 03 Dec 2019 #8
Per Police radio: Mike 03 Dec 2019 #11
Armed robbery gone bad? dware Dec 2019 #13
Maybe. It was a store. Mike 03 Dec 2019 #14
That was my thinking also, dware Dec 2019 #15
No I read the police were approaching suspects for a homicide and then they holed up lunasun Dec 2019 #30
Appreciate the info. nt dware Dec 2019 #33
I'm going to add the link from NY lunasun Dec 2019 #34
Thank you. dware Dec 2019 #38
I never thought of that but either way they are dead for going to the store at noontime lunasun Dec 2019 #42
Just a tragedy all around. dware Dec 2019 #69
No, a drug deal. The officer that was killed looked like undercover from how news Blue_true Dec 2019 #44
Heard a report mainstreetonce Dec 2019 #12
Where did you hear that report? cwydro Dec 2019 #16
Thank you ChubbyStar Dec 2019 #17
Funny phenomenon here when these events take place. cwydro Dec 2019 #18
I guess I should have said I read it mainstreetonce Dec 2019 #20
I never believe anything I read here, unless it's backed up by a link. cwydro Dec 2019 #23
He was a father of five and killed by one of the suspects. cwydro Dec 2019 #25
Why won't you correct this falsehood? AncientGeezer Dec 2019 #66
WaPo: Several Dead Including 1 Police Officer Dennis Donovan Dec 2019 #19
6 Dead, per WNBC. n/t Dennis Donovan Dec 2019 #21
Horrific ChubbyStar Dec 2019 #22
Damn. cwydro Dec 2019 #24
Six dead malaise Dec 2019 #36
A police officer, three civilians and the two gunmen. It started with what Blue_true Dec 2019 #48
Make it stop. Glimmer of Hope Dec 2019 #41
Please make it stop. Botany Dec 2019 #28
Trump has already sent his thoughts and prayers Skittles Dec 2019 #26
I keep seeing the two suspects that were killed, were juveniles. dewsgirl Dec 2019 #27
They were stopped for homicide by the police before the shoot out . See post 30 lunasun Dec 2019 #32
Thank you. dewsgirl Dec 2019 #39
Please provide a link. cwydro Dec 2019 #43
Here you go, dewsgirl Dec 2019 #45
Do you have a credible link other than "not a furry?" cwydro Dec 2019 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author dewsgirl Dec 2019 #49
"Not a furry" is not a credible source. cwydro Dec 2019 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author dewsgirl Dec 2019 #52
Interesting that your "not a furry" source is a trumpster. cwydro Dec 2019 #56
That was 100 percent on me for not checking, I am sorry. dewsgirl Dec 2019 #59
Well, Fox isn't really reliable. cwydro Dec 2019 #61
I try to fix it immediately when I make a mistake, I find dewsgirl Dec 2019 #63
Two replies to me that you self deleted. cwydro Dec 2019 #54
I posted an article and then realized it was a right wing source and dewsgirl Dec 2019 #57
That's fine. I get really annoyed when people post things here that have no credence. cwydro Dec 2019 #58
I replied to another of your posts, I am horrified.😳 dewsgirl Dec 2019 #60
Yeah, father of five. cwydro Dec 2019 #62
390 plus mass shootings so far this year. panader0 Dec 2019 #46
This is the reality all gun owners and their apologists want for this country by clinging to guns. LonePirate Dec 2019 #53
I'm going to go out on a limb and bet these killers were not legal gun owners. cwydro Dec 2019 #55
I'd bet...you won't have to go far out on that limb. AncientGeezer Dec 2019 #64
both legal and illegal gun shootings radius777 Dec 2019 #74
i'm w/Beto - I would confiscate the fuckers guns and sue the industry out of existence. dware Dec 2019 #75
Does that include all Democrats who own guns? Marengo Dec 2019 #65
Just asking....can you defferentiate between "legal" owners... AncientGeezer Dec 2019 #67
This. Tipperary Dec 2019 #68
That's got to be, by far, dware Dec 2019 #70
I still have not seen any reports about the suspects. Tipperary Dec 2019 #71
The mayor of the city put out this vague tweet without much explanation Sapient Donkey Dec 2019 #72
Yeah, makes you wonder about hate crime. Tipperary Dec 2019 #73
Jersey City Shootout Suspects Identified: Sources Bonx Dec 2019 #76
Sources have identified the shooters. DetroitLegalBeagle Dec 2019 #77

RT Atlanta

(2,517 posts)
3. crazy to listen to in real time
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 02:38 PM
Dec 2019

What a sad fucking state of affairs in this country that this is such a regular occurrence.

Impressed with how calm the on-site officers are as they're reporting back with what type of body armor they're wearing and the positions they are taking up. Hopefully no more bloodshed.......

Takket

(21,424 posts)
9. Yes, there should be
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 03:08 PM
Dec 2019

I honestly think there should be. People would say that is incredibly morbid and offensive. I agree. And that is the point. Maybe if we sunk that low it would actually offend people enough to make a change.

whathehell

(28,968 posts)
31. "People would say that is incredibly morbid and offensive"
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 06:31 PM
Dec 2019

Yes, and that's because it is bith of those things, ugh -- Talk about a sick attempt at "humor".
.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
7. Officer on radio: "Both actors may be down."
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 03:05 PM
Dec 2019

Maybe this indicates two shooters?

"He's still moving on the ground. Movement inside the store."

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
8. Per police radio:
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 03:06 PM
Dec 2019

"May be four other victims inside the store" - Source, a "victim" who escaped the store.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
11. Per Police radio:
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 03:22 PM
Dec 2019

Someone has been "called to verify that there are two shooters down." (Medical examiner possibly?)



Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
14. Maybe. It was a store.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 03:30 PM
Dec 2019

Early reports described it as an "ambush" but early reports are notoriously incorrect.

Your theory would also account for there being two shooters, since it's unusual for two active shooters to work together (not unheard of, just unusual).

dware

(12,092 posts)
15. That was my thinking also,
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 03:36 PM
Dec 2019

2 armed robbers whose plan went sideways and decided they weren't going to be taken alive.

Could be career criminals who knew, if caught, they were going to spend the rest of their lives in prison, so they figured they had nothing to lose by taking on the cops.

Of course this is all speculation.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
30. No I read the police were approaching suspects for a homicide and then they holed up
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 06:26 PM
Dec 2019

in the grocery store after they shot at the police who were trying to arrest the suspects on the street and people were killed in the store as they engaged with police in a long shootout for over an hour
Terrifying , you innocently go down to shop at the bodega, and you are dead



“I can hear the gunshots. It's like firecrackers going off," said Andy Patel, who works at a liquor store about three blocks from the scene.

"They were shooting like crazy about an hour ago. Then it stopped for like 20 or 30 minutes. The cops were clearing everyone off the streets

dware

(12,092 posts)
38. Thank you.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 06:46 PM
Dec 2019

What a mess and tragedy for the innocents killed, (murdered?).

I'd like to know was it the 2 POS's that killed them, or was it police gunfire that killed them?

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
42. I never thought of that but either way they are dead for going to the store at noontime
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 07:04 PM
Dec 2019

I suppose all detail will follow .
P.s.
Hey nice truck

dware

(12,092 posts)
69. Just a tragedy all around.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 11:32 PM
Dec 2019

Thanks, it cost me an arm and a leg, but it is mine and I get to choose what loads I want and I like being my own boss.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
44. No, a drug deal. The officer that was killed looked like undercover from how news
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 07:09 PM
Dec 2019

described how it all started.

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
17. Thank you
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 04:35 PM
Dec 2019

My family had ties to that area in the 50's, and I have been following this story and I have heard nothing about friendly fire.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
18. Funny phenomenon here when these events take place.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 04:47 PM
Dec 2019

Lots of posters seem to chime in with unsubstantiated information.

Not quite sure why.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
25. He was a father of five and killed by one of the suspects.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 06:16 PM
Dec 2019

Maybe self delete your post.

Nice try though.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
19. WaPo: Several Dead Including 1 Police Officer
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 05:11 PM
Dec 2019
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/12/10/jersey-city-shooting-officer-shot-schools-lockdown/

By Reis Thebault
Dec. 10, 2019 at 4:00 p.m. EST
A shootout in Jersey City has left several people dead, including one police officer, after local reports said two gunmen fired on authorities.

The Hudson County Prosecutor’s Office confirmed the officer fatality and advised residents to avoid the block where the shooting unfolded Tuesday afternoon. Jersey City Mayor Steven Fulop said there were “multiple deceased” in a building where authorities and suspects exchanged fire.

Live video from the scene showed a large police response and scores of heavily armed officers. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Newark said its agents were responding to “reports of an active shooter” in the northeastern New Jersey city, which sits between Newark and the southern tip of Manhattan.

The locus of the shooting was a convenience store near Martin Luther King Drive and Bidwell Avenue, near Sacred Heart School, where staff locked the school down, a spokeswoman told The Washington Post.

<snip>

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
48. A police officer, three civilians and the two gunmen. It started with what
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 07:15 PM
Dec 2019

looks like a drug sting gone bad.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
32. They were stopped for homicide by the police before the shoot out . See post 30
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 06:34 PM
Dec 2019
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/active-shooter-situation-in-jersey-city-sources-say/2238983/?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_NYBrand&akmobile=y&akdevice=androidphone&sslEnabled=true&&__twitter_impression=true

According to three senior law enforcement officials, the shoot-out began as a homicide investigation. The deceased officer approached suspects in that investigation and was shot and killed. The suspects then fled into the Jersey City Kosher Supermarket on Martin Luther King Drive, where the standoff started around 12:30 p.m.

Response to cwydro (Reply #47)

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
51. "Not a furry" is not a credible source.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 07:25 PM
Dec 2019

I see nothing about juveniles in any official report.

They may well be, but really we shouldn’t put out a lot of false information.

Someone already posted in this thread that the officer was killed by “friendly fire,” which does not appear to be true.

Response to cwydro (Reply #51)

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
59. That was 100 percent on me for not checking, I am sorry.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 07:44 PM
Dec 2019

I was listening to a live stream and they stated Fox news said it, all I saw was Fox didn't even check the source. You can check my Twitter, I follow no Trump supporters. @dewsgirlkristin.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
61. Well, Fox isn't really reliable.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 07:46 PM
Dec 2019

Who knows? They may turn out to be juveniles.

I just hate stuff posted in the heat of the moment. I see it here all the time.

Good on ya for speaking up. Others on this thread have not.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
63. I try to fix it immediately when I make a mistake, I find
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 07:47 PM
Dec 2019

this community, vastly important right now.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
57. I posted an article and then realized it was a right wing source and
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 07:40 PM
Dec 2019

I thought that the one Fox article said something about it, the Daily Mail was another. I am sorry I meant no offense.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
58. That's fine. I get really annoyed when people post things here that have no credence.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 07:44 PM
Dec 2019

Thank you for saying so.

The other poster saying the cop was killed by “friendly fire” apparently was unable to admit his mistake.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
60. I replied to another of your posts, I am horrified.😳
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 07:45 PM
Dec 2019

I saw that earlier, about the friendly fire.🙄

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
62. Yeah, father of five.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 07:47 PM
Dec 2019

Sounds like he was a good cop. And he sure as hell wasn’t killed by another cop.

The killers murdered him.

LonePirate

(13,386 posts)
53. This is the reality all gun owners and their apologists want for this country by clinging to guns.
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 07:28 PM
Dec 2019

None of them care.

radius777

(3,624 posts)
74. both legal and illegal gun shootings
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 07:30 AM
Dec 2019

are the result of lax laws that allow guns to get into the wrong hands.

basically, the 2A/NRA crowd is a RW terrorist movement.

i'm w/Beto - I would confiscate the fuckers guns and sue the industry out of existence.

dware

(12,092 posts)
75. i'm w/Beto - I would confiscate the fuckers guns and sue the industry out of existence.
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:13 PM
Dec 2019

How would you go about doing that w/o starting a civil war?
Also, how do you get past the PLCAA?

Just curious.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
67. Just asking....can you defferentiate between "legal" owners...
Tue Dec 10, 2019, 08:38 PM
Dec 2019

and illegal owners?
90+% of "legal gun owners" don't commit gun crimes...show me wrong

Bonx

(2,039 posts)
76. Jersey City Shootout Suspects Identified: Sources
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:17 PM
Dec 2019

"The two people who stormed a kosher grocery store in Jersey City with rifles, killing three people inside and also murdering a veteran detective, have been identified as David Anderson and Francine Graham, four law enforcement sources familiar with the case tell News

Who Are Jersey City Shootout Suspects?
Three sources say Anderson was a one-time follower of the Black Hebrew Israelite movement, a group whose members believe they are descendants of the ancient Israelites and may adhere to both Christian and Judaic beliefs. There was a note with religious writings in the U-Haul he and Graham allegedly drove to the scene, but a motive -- including any alleged nexus to hate or terror remains under active investigation, officials say.

Law enforcement sources had no immediate details on Graham, but a neighbor tells News 4 she lived near him for years. The neighbor described Graham as a former home health aide in Manhattan who met Anderson after she got hurt at work and quit; he says Graham turned into a "dark person" after they met."

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/jersey-city-shootout-developing-details-3/2239660/

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,904 posts)
77. Sources have identified the shooters.
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:23 PM
Dec 2019

[link:https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jersey-city-suspects-targeted-kosher-store-where-3-died-motive-n1099606|]



Four law enforcement sources familiar with the case told NBC New York that the suspects were David Anderson and Francine Graham.

According to three sources, Anderson was a one-time follower of the Black Hebrew Israelite movement, whose members believe they are descendants of the ancient Israelites and may adhere to both Christian and Judaic beliefs, and his social media pages include anti-police and anti-Jewish writings. Investigators are looking to see if it was Anderson himself who posted that material.

Inside the van used by Anderson and Graham was a note with religious writings, the three sources said.

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