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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI have to admit, I am confused and dismayed about what Nancy is doing today
Announcing articles of impeachment at 9am.
Good!
Giving Trump a political win an hour later by announcing that the USMCA will pass.
Bad!
Why is she stepping on the biggest story of the Trump Presidency ONE HOUR LATER by giving Trump a win?
I have tried to tell myself through this whole thing to "Trust Nancy". But I have to admit, this has me perplexed.
madaboutharry
(40,187 posts)USMCA is not a headline grabber. I would bet that 90% of Americans have no clue what it even is.
The news today is going to be impeachment.
Also, it gives democrats a bit of cover. They can point to the new trade agreement and say that they get things done for the good of the American people.
CincyDem
(6,336 posts)hlthe2b
(102,119 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Now we're on the verge of impeaching him and they're nitpicking the details of how many articles and what's in them?
Jeez. Some people really aren't really interested in impeaching him - they just want to smear Democrats.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)brooklynite
(94,332 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)Secondly.... I don't like the USCMA passing *AT ALL*.
It is NAFTA repackaged. It does nothing for the country, except allow Trump to tout a "win".
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)She's showing that the Democrats aren't obsessed with impeachment and they're doing their jobs. She shut down the Republicans' main argument against impeachment - that it's preventing anyone from getting anything done.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Pisces
(5,599 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)Now she will be splitting the news day between impeachement and USMCA... and USMCA is something Trump can spin as a win.
Peregrine Took
(7,412 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)She walks around all day eating chocolate...
The_Counsel
(1,660 posts)Take what you can get now and also remove the "Do-Nothing Democrats" talking point.
Win/Win.
getagrip_already
(14,618 posts)The gop mantra is do nothing dems care about nothing but impeachment. even though hundreds of bills have been passed and sen to the senate, it's been tuned out by the media and thus the people.
This is visible since the senate will take it up.
It's also not a win for trump. It's really just nafta light. He still is playing tarrif games because he is vindictive so nobody is going to give him credit for it.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)This has to be a tough day for the people who've been insisting that Pelosi would never allow impeachment. They need to find something else to complain about now.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)NAFTA Part 2 is likely to be quite controversial; makes sense (if she believes in it and worked to pass it, but knows not everybody will be happy on our side) to let it disappear under the impeachment news.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)But today is the day he's read the Riot Act.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)It's an announcement. That's all. They used the announcement to step all over anything else he does today. And everything else he does or says this week will have that cloud hanging over it.
And then on Thursday, they tee it up and actually vote Articles of Impeachment out of the Judiciary Committee for only the fourth time in American history. That will be huge. And that will suck for him.
And then next week, they will impeach him. THAT will be his worst day.
And, fyi - Pelosi had no choice. Committee rules require that markups be noticed 48 hours in advance. If they want to vote on Articles of Impeachment on Thursday, they had to announce it today. So whether Pelosi had a press conference or not, the announcement would have come out of the committee and it still would have been huge news.
Caliman73
(11,725 posts)Trump has been waiting for impeachment. Trump and the GOP knew that we would draft articles which is why they have been attacking the process since the beginning. Trump will continue to say that it is an "illegitimate witch hunt and the Democrats hate me, and they won't... Oh, wait, I can't say they won't work with me, because they just voted to pass the trade agreement I've been working on and bragging about... shit!"
They knocked out 2 talking point on that move, the one that says the Democrats haven't worked on anything, and the one that the Democrats don't work together. We all know they are both lies to begin with, but some people who hear it on the news might not and now when Trump says it, they will say, "wait, didn't they just pass that thing Trump wanted?"
Trump may want to brag about his trade agreement "best trade agreement ever!!" and he'll go and go on it the rest of the week, then BOOM, impeachment vote!
stopbush
(24,392 posts)CincyDem
(6,336 posts)Another interpretation is that an hour later, she erases the do nothing Dems are obsessed with impeachment and arent doing the peoples work meme from trump.
Its going to be hard for him to stand up and say the House isnt doing anything else when he gets to crow about his nafta lite.
Shes still playing him.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)My only point is Drumpf will say and do what he always says and does regardless of reality. Speaker Pelosi will not stop him from lying about the do-nothing Democrats. Having said that, it is a good thing that during this impeachment process the House it's certainly taking care of America business.
MontanaMama
(23,295 posts)Trust Nancy.
She will ALWAYSbe playing the MF. She owns him.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,564 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Joe941
(2,848 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)Why give the asshole a win?
meow2u3
(24,759 posts)Submariner
(12,497 posts)gives the mf'er his legacy space force for some basic family leave act that can wait for the next president.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I trust Nancy Pelosi. This isn't a big deal.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I wouldn't bother trying to trust she has good reasons for the bizarre things she does. Or reading to find out what excuses others are making for her.
Even if you manage it today, just imagine what new inexplicable thing she'll do tomorrow that can only be handled by whomping yet more blind trust. There's no end to it.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)That Impeachment is a moral Constitutional imperative, not about partisan politics. So I think it looks good, even honorable, that she can do both on the same day. It also shows the world that Impeachment hasn't "stopped" the Democrats from governing.
Chemisse
(30,803 posts)We're so accustomed to political manipulations being the primary reason for doing things that we can't imagine that Nancy would not milk the impeachment for all it is worth.
It's refreshing to see her continuing to do the People's business.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)There is no need for this "treaty".
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)Putting a new name on it so the President can claim a "win" doesn't change anything on the ground.
randr
(12,409 posts)Pretty good optics is my call.
Raven123
(4,791 posts)Trump wanted something to deflect from the impeachment announcement. Speaker got some concessions in the Bill, she wouldnt have otherwise.
Deflects the attack that Congress is not legislating.
The Speaker did discuss this at the CNN town hall. She said it was coming. No surprises
dalton99a
(81,391 posts)EarlG
(21,934 posts)Trump crowing about striking a deal with Democrats is only going to make people aware of the fact that Democrats are still working to pass legislation and aren't just obsessing about impeachment -- undercutting a Republican talking point.
Meanwhile, Trump is still getting his ass impeached.
Doing both of these things on the same day shows that Democrats are walking and chewing gum at the same time, while also muddying the GOP's message.
Edited to add: in fact, the Dems are all up there right now seemingly thrilled about this legislation and talking about how many concessions they managed to get and how pro-worker they've made the deal. I wonder what the GOP rank and file is going to think about Trump touting a deal which Democrats essentially say he caved on -- while they're simultaneously impeaching him!
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)But I think the focus for the next 24 hours should've been the impeachment articles.
We've now stepped on that story.
Happy Hoosier
(7,215 posts)It's pretty simple.
okieinpain
(9,397 posts)while trump is screaming about how deranged dems are she is all smiles talking about passing a bill that the president wanted. lmao freaking genius.
Gothmog
(144,919 posts)Gothmog
(144,919 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)Gothmog
(144,919 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)It will be Trump claiming victory.
Gothmog
(144,919 posts)Gothmog
(144,919 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)The democrats were working on the trade bill negotiations behind the scenes. NAFTA was and has been highly unpopular among American workers ever since it was passed.
And now, democrats can seize the mantle of architecting the end of NAFTA. Pelosi has the right to be proud of the accomplishments of the congressional democrats.
She had the foresight to strike while the iron was hot and build a box around the GOP. The accusation that democrats are obstructing has been swept away.
She is not stepping on the story; the democrats are adding another chapter to the story that will be told over the coming days.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)And the media will give it to him.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,584 posts)He seizes credit for the sun coming up in the morning. It's what he always does, regardless of the circumstances. The impeachment news is going to overshadow it, regardless. Pelosi knows what she's doing.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)Already trampling the Impeachment news cycle.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,584 posts)because the Dems just released their draft Articles of Impeachment. That will take over the news cycle again.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)That works to our advantage. There go the "Democrats just want to see Trump fail" and "Democrats are obsessed with impeachment" arguments.
Kaleva
(36,248 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)is closely following MSNBC headlines for their information.
Kaleva
(36,248 posts)stonecutter357
(12,693 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)meow2u3
(24,759 posts)I think Pelosi is focusing on the Ukraine scandal and basing articles of impeachment on what the public can easily understand and the House can prove. As Nadler put it, the Ukraine case is a slam-dunk prosecution in which only jury nullification can get Trump off.
Throwing the kitchen sink at Trump will likely backfire, especially about the Mueller report, because Barr tainted the results by falsifying the results and the legalese in which Mueller wrote the report. The report is written at too high a level for the average American to understand, perhaps by design.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)All that is achieved by dropping the Mueller stuff is reinforcing the pukes lies about it being a witch hunt. So what do we say when people claim there was nothing to the Mueller report? Well gosh there was tons of proof there, but we thought youd be too dumb to understand it so we didnt impeach on it?
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)had it been a Rethug Speaker,you would never see this happen.
The Speaker was able to get a Budget Bill done and this Trade deal has been in the works for three years. All it does is change some of the old NAFTA language to benefit some of the USA industries when it comes to Manufactured Content and Sourcing. As well as cross border sales of AG goods .
The Budget deal should prevent the Orange Imposter from shutting down our Government before New Years. For we Dems,it is a mega win all the way around. Only ugly left is Moscow Mitch and how he plays his Power Card.
Kaleva
(36,248 posts)Another headline in even bigger font:
"Growing divide between Trump and McConnell over impeachment trial"
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/10/politics/donald-trump-mitch-mcconnell-senate-trial-impeachment/index.html