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For the first time in his life he may be held accountable for the crap he has done.
He is crying like a little baby.
Life is so unfair!
Oh he is being treated sooooooo unfair by those mean old Democrats.
Cheater!
SterlingPound
(428 posts)and no one will be there for mike pence and his pardon
kentuck
(111,110 posts)Right?
dem4decades
(11,302 posts)James48
(4,440 posts)The constitution is clear on that:
Article II
Section 2.
The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)which he could be pardoned for
Let's say Bob is caught embezzling money from ABC company. He's immediately fired by ABC, which is like impeachment
Then, the case goes to the local police and DA to prosecute. Bob is convicted, but is a friend of the governor and gets a pardon for the crimes. However, he's still fired from ABC company
lettucebe
(2,336 posts)Impeachment is basically an indictment, the definition is "to bring an accusation against." If there has been an impeachment or indictment it is forever and it is not a thing that can be pardoned. The conviction phase is separate from the impeachment phase (same as after indictment, one moves to the trial phase). That's why this is so confusing for everyone. There is no such thing as a pardon for an indictment or impeachment.
The confusion for everyone is because Nixon was not impeached. Many think and say he was, but he was not. The House Judiciary committee voted on articles of impeachment but there was never a full House vote because Nixon resigned before it could occur. Gerald Ford became President when Nixon resigned allowing him to then pardon Nixon for any and all crimes he may have committed while President. That is Trump's only way to be pardoned. He must resign before a full House vote or he is forever impeached and will be facing trial.
He may not be removed from office at trial -- but he would remain impeached.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Remember, he can only be removed from office and disallowed to ever hold office or honors.
Actual trial for crimes would have to be conducted separately.
The House can impeach, but impose no penalty.
The Senate then hears and executes the removal from office by 2/3rds vote.
Now, if he were to be removed, then convicted of a crime via judicial process, THEN a president Pence could pardon.. If it ever did get that far though, I imagine 45 would be so toxic that pence never would.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)A really important question for his supporters.
malaise
(269,157 posts)Zippo
StClone
(11,686 posts)2naSalit
(86,775 posts)whining/winning... close call for some.
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)Mc Mike
(9,115 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)Cause you know its sincere!
Stuart G
(38,439 posts)etc, will always be associated with lying and cheating...total poison..
Trump's ability to bullshit (except with his believers) will be forever destroyed. His family will have difficulty with interviews, etc. I believe, he will go into hiding like Nixon did. Not totally, but mostly.
..The Trump properties will be sold, and the names changed. He is now associated with lying and cheating, and will always be associated with those two ideas. The Republican party will have to make a come-back somehow with different leaders and a different brand.
..In looking back, it is not, repeat not like McGovern. McGovern was an awful campaigner, and presenter, but he was totally correct about Viet Nam. His winning would have saved lives. McGovern was not a liar or cheater. Trump is and always will be associated with trying to make a deal with the Russians to get Biden, and lying and cheating
...And, furthermore, Trump doesn't have a clue. His 25 percent base will still care about him. (yes it will get down to that) but the rest of us, will know him forever as ...a liar and cheater Also, as someone who got caught lying and cheating.
StClone
(11,686 posts)DENVERPOPS
(8,844 posts)We can Deport Melanoma, and make a case that because Trump committed fraud when he brought her into the country illegally, he has to go with her. The son Barron will be separated from them forever and will be taken to an undisclosed and unrecorded location somewhere here in the U.S. His location will be in a middle class neighborhood going to public schools.
Seize what few assists Trump has in reality and give it to the Treasury as a penalty.
Reverse each and every single thing starting with the 2016 election that he and his minions had a hand in doing including judges and supreme court judges......Appoint Hillary the winner. Reverse every last thing he or his Republican Senators and Secretaries of various departments have done to this poor nation.
Send all of the above, and each and every one of his minions and senate supporters to Gitmo......Any Republican in the House, serving from 2016-2018 goes to Gitmo also.
Then charge the other spawn (and Jared) with crimes and give them the option of life in Leavenworth prison, or leaving the country and then sending their spoiled asses and Silicone Racks to Russia...
What else can we get warm fuzzies fantasizing about?????????
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)Especially for such a major league narcissist. No name, no picture, no biography. They are, as Orwell put it, non-persons.
Just like I want for the Baseball Encyclopedia for the juicers that cheated in the 90s. No McGwire or Sosa. No Schilling or "Rocket".
Make future generations think these losers/cheaters worked at Wal Mart or had a paper route.
DENVERPOPS
(8,844 posts)I wanted this paraded out in front of the world forever, Just like Hitler in hopes it will never occur, ever again.......
I would also like a whole big bunch of them paraded in front of the Hague, dating all the way back to 1990 all the way up til today.
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)ancianita
(36,132 posts)Democrats should say: Sober bad guys don't let drunk bad guys drive.
Stuart G
(38,439 posts)Nixon was a liar and cheater, but did not work with the Russians to help lying and cheating
.....keep that one in mind.........
wcmagumba
(2,890 posts)although he denied it until his death? Evidence came out just a few years ago according to the linked article...
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/06/nixon-vietnam-candidate-conspired-with-foreign-power-win-election-215461
So, not the Russians but between Nixon and NV, Reagan with Iran and orange beast with Russia looks like repugs have always been fairly traitorous to this country...
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)SWBTATTReg
(22,156 posts)and if anything, helped enable rump even more so. The American people have long memories. I still remember the crap surrounding the Watergate break in, the cover ups, and 'I'm not a crook!' crap...
rump is far more disgusting, bragging about grabbing women's parts without their okay, etc. Disgusting and these slime bags in Congress siding w/ and supporting rump are just as bad as he is, being that they're not doing anything about it. I'd like to see what they would think if it were their daughters or wives being attacked in this manner?
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)No, you have to know how to read to know that word exists. Where's Kissinger when you need him?
griloco
(832 posts)CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)Everything I say about IQ45 on this site I would say directly to Trump's ignorant, uneducated face. I'm sure that's true for all of us. He's rude, tasteless and crass, so I think he would understand every insult and slam.
eggplant
(3,913 posts)PatrickforO
(14,587 posts)He squeals like a little stuck piglet.
virgogal
(10,178 posts)SterlingPound
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leftyladyfrommo
(18,870 posts)He is just doing what he always has done. He thinks that is how you do business.
He should have been in prison years ago.
bonniebgood
(943 posts)C Moon
(12,221 posts)I believe Trump and Putin have some kind of 911/war-related "calling on Americans" thing in the works mid next year to bury the memory of the impeachment.
That will make the election close, but Trump's an idiot and criminal at heart, so I hope to the gods he loses and we also pick up the senate.