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no_hypocrisy

(46,038 posts)
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 12:22 PM Nov 2019

I am heartbroken about my friend.

Exactly one month ago, he was involved in a head-on car collision, sustaining a broken neck, a concussion, and shoulder injury.

His spinal cord miraculously was not damaged. He can walk, think, speak, move all four extremities, breathe independently. He had successful surgery to align and position his neck and head.

However, his recovery is dependent upon his family and that is not optimal.

He is 72 and his wife is 68 and she dominates him emotionally and psychologically. That has been the basis of their marriage but it has not been determining until now. She browbeat him until he agreed to prematurely leave his rehabilitation where he was receiving physical therapy for three weeks and where he was making good progress. He echoed her pronouncements that the room was too small, feeding his claustrophobic feelings. The reason she wanted him to leave: so she could attend their daughter's Thanksgiving dinner 3 hours away in Pennsylvania.

And so he agreed to be driven with a newly repaired and still healing broken neck for three hours during (arguably) the most dangerous time to be out on the road (greater risk of accidents) with a woman who drives with her left foot due to having a drop foot. What could possibly go wrong?

Well, they made it safely to the daughter's home. And you figure, well, the daughter is a physical therapist. Good, right? Nope. Daughter was preoccupied with feeling extended family of 12, understandable. My friend has not received physical therapy for four days now. No prospect of getting it as of today.

I spoke to his sister who attended yesterday's Dinner. He was stuck in a corner and ignored by everybody. His two children, his grandchildren, his in-laws, his wife. Neglected and ignored. He only got food when his BIL prepared a plate for him. The irony: he told me he wanted to go to Thanksgiving so that he could enjoy the company of his family. It didn't exactly work out that way.

He lacks the personality and the will to protest. He is meek and accommodating. I understand that it's his decision on one hand to submit to this situation. But he deserves more, better. He is an accident victim and one would think that at least a fuss and true thanksgiving of his survival would be made.

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I am heartbroken about my friend. (Original Post) no_hypocrisy Nov 2019 OP
Poor fellow TEB Nov 2019 #1
poor man, my heart goes out to him. Elder abuse. trueblue2007 Nov 2019 #24
Hoepfully you can step in where his family fails him Kaleva Nov 2019 #2
I am doing that. He does appreciate my support. no_hypocrisy Nov 2019 #3
Sounds like you are a good friend captain queeg Nov 2019 #7
He couldn't ask for a better friend. Kaleva Nov 2019 #18
I am so sorry... handmade34 Nov 2019 #4
Thank you. I feel so helpless. no_hypocrisy Nov 2019 #5
That's sad. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #6
Irony: Wife and I are on friendly terms, but she LIES, not just to me, but to everyone. no_hypocrisy Nov 2019 #8
I would contact them either way. LakeArenal Nov 2019 #10
So very sad for your friend SonofDonald Nov 2019 #9
Perhaps you should file an Elder Abuse complaint against his wife. catbyte Nov 2019 #11
+100000 Celerity Nov 2019 #37
Is it possible your worries are only partly justified? Croney Nov 2019 #12
I think my breaking point is the fact that he was pushed aside and ignored. no_hypocrisy Nov 2019 #13
So, his sister is your only source of information? Croney Nov 2019 #14
Please focus: elderly man recovering from a recent severe car accident with a broken neck. no_hypocrisy Nov 2019 #16
You said: defacto7 Nov 2019 #34
My dad was married to a woman like that. Canoe52 Nov 2019 #15
Maybe you could offer to drive him to physical therapy if his wife won't. Liberty Belle Nov 2019 #17
Good luck DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #22
There's Faux pas Nov 2019 #19
Thank you. I think my heartbreak is realizing there are limits to friendship when no_hypocrisy Nov 2019 #20
Any family who really cares Faux pas Nov 2019 #25
Don't I know it!! ChildOfTheFort Nov 2019 #21
Welcome to DU CotF. no_hypocrisy Nov 2019 #23
Lol too bad Faux pas Nov 2019 #26
What about Medicare? FarPoint Nov 2019 #27
As a mandated reporter, I'm glad I don't know where he is bluedye33139 Nov 2019 #28
I call it abuse of personality and have dealt with that all my life. KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2019 #29
Thank you for your inspirational and educational words. no_hypocrisy Nov 2019 #30
I hope you can get some private time with him where... KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2019 #33
He should talk about changing his beneficiaries. Turbineguy Nov 2019 #31
Has been hard for me over the years learning that personality flaws don't quit for health crises. Mersky Nov 2019 #32
Your friend is lucky to have you Blecht Nov 2019 #35
more proof to me that family is way overrated Skittles Nov 2019 #36
Postscript no_hypocrisy Nov 2019 #38

Kaleva

(36,259 posts)
2. Hoepfully you can step in where his family fails him
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 12:27 PM
Nov 2019

Maybe not help him in recovery, which is controlled by his wife, but to be by his side whenever possible.

captain queeg

(10,103 posts)
7. Sounds like you are a good friend
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 12:36 PM
Nov 2019

Is he able to keep himself entertained? I’ve had a lot of serious health issues the last 10 yrs and have endured some isolated times. I’m usually ok by myself though. As far as PT; I’ve had a lot. Some good some not so good. I’m convinced one of them really screwed me up following my 3rd surgery. But I had a really good one too and she helped me a lot.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
4. I am so sorry...
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 12:30 PM
Nov 2019

this happens too much in human interaction (one situation is too much)… I will sent positive thoughts your way...

...it also strikes a nerve because my son had an accident a few months back with brain injury and his girlfriend just broke up with him

I weep for your friend, my son and all victims

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,615 posts)
6. That's sad.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 12:33 PM
Nov 2019

If you are on friendly terms with the wife, maybe you can encourage her to take him back to physical therapy as soon as possible (and if she's just a selfish cow you might emphasize how much easier her life would be if he recovers faster). Otherwise you can help, as you evidently have been already, by visiting and encouraging your friend. Families aren't always what they're cracked up to be.

no_hypocrisy

(46,038 posts)
8. Irony: Wife and I are on friendly terms, but she LIES, not just to me, but to everyone.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 12:37 PM
Nov 2019

She's not all there.

And she's limiting access to my friend.

If his situation isn't addressed soon, I may call Senior Social Services (the equivalent of Child Protection for the elderly).

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
9. So very sad for your friend
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 12:43 PM
Nov 2019

The way we feel is nothing compared to the way he feels, family should be love.

catbyte

(34,341 posts)
11. Perhaps you should file an Elder Abuse complaint against his wife.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 12:57 PM
Nov 2019

I believe you can do it anonymously if you feel uncomfortable about it. At least it would be documented. I'm sorry your friend is allowing this to go on. It must be very frustrating for you.

Croney

(4,657 posts)
12. Is it possible your worries are only partly justified?
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 01:04 PM
Nov 2019

He went to his daughter's house for Thanksgiving, his sister was there and looked out for him, his BIL got him food, and he was brought home again safely (apparently.)

Most houses are chaotic at Thanksgiving, if there are many people. Is it possible your friend was content to sit and watch the festivities, knowing he couldn't really participate in his condition?

Dynamics of a marriage are sometimes hard to analyze from the outside. The question is, is your friend happy?

Four days without PT happens around holidays. If he needs it, he certainly should get it going again.

This is just sort of a Devil's advocate response. Just looking at the situation from a different point of view. Your friend is very lucky to have you in his corner, and if you feel the need to call senior services, I hope they are able to help.

no_hypocrisy

(46,038 posts)
13. I think my breaking point is the fact that he was pushed aside and ignored.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 01:10 PM
Nov 2019

His sister argued with his wife against moving him out of rehab and his wife demanded that he attend Thanksgiving, that he HAD to be there. If she wanted him there that badly, then why did she out of all the family ignore him? The day before T/G, his wife and daughter left him alone in the house to go shopping for hours. And his wife's a retired nurse! Leave him alone under these circumstances? At least at Rehab, he was being monitored. And bathed. And shaved. Hair washed. None of that is being done now.

Croney

(4,657 posts)
14. So, his sister is your only source of information?
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 01:20 PM
Nov 2019

If she dislikes his wife, her observations will always reflect that.

Leaving him alone sounds ok for a while, no? If she's a retired nurse, she's better at assessing the risk than many would be. Do you think she wishes to do him harm intentionally? Does she obviously not love him? If so, you could consider intervening. But if the sister is trying to break them up, you wouldn't want to be an unwitting accomplice.

It might sound like I think you're worrying needlessly, but I'm not. There is something going on for sure, if you're so concerned. But you need to chat with your friend, rather than trust parties who may have an agenda.

no_hypocrisy

(46,038 posts)
16. Please focus: elderly man recovering from a recent severe car accident with a broken neck.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 01:30 PM
Nov 2019

In pain and immobile. Scared about recovering.

Ignored by family during Thanksgiving. Left alone day before.

BTW, wife was a retired surgical nurse, no experience with healing or comforting patients. A shrew to others incl. her husband.

His sister is a reliable reporter. If she has any animosity against her SIL, it's because she has had to protect her brother over decades.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
34. You said:
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 04:45 PM
Nov 2019

" If she's a retired nurse, she's better at assessing the risk than many would be".
Not necessarily. It's possible she's sick and tired of dealing with illness because she isn't getting the attention. I've seen it too many times.

Canoe52

(2,948 posts)
15. My dad was married to a woman like that.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 01:22 PM
Nov 2019

Probably not much you can do, it’s a sad situation as I know.

Liberty Belle

(9,533 posts)
17. Maybe you could offer to drive him to physical therapy if his wife won't.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 01:30 PM
Nov 2019

You might let his doctor know what is going on, if he doesn't get back into PT soon.

DENVERPOPS

(8,790 posts)
22. Good luck
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 02:36 PM
Nov 2019

Good luck getting through to talk to his Dr.......Hell as a good patient for many years, your chances of getting thru to the Dr. are next to nothing. Added to the fact that the Doctor can't even acknowledge that he even knows your patient without violating HEPA or whatever it is......

You might be able to write him a personal letter, and that might get through to him.

People who are involved with this type of thing use the old adage: Use it, or lose it.........

Faux pas

(14,645 posts)
19. There's
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 01:44 PM
Nov 2019

nothing worse than being treated like crap by your own family, that's why we all need our friends. Best vibes to both of you.

no_hypocrisy

(46,038 posts)
20. Thank you. I think my heartbreak is realizing there are limits to friendship when
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 01:46 PM
Nov 2019

it interferes with their family.

Faux pas

(14,645 posts)
25. Any family who really cares
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:06 PM
Nov 2019

would be thrilled to have others who loved their "loved" ones. Just because they're family doesn't mean you have to put up with the toxicity. If someone doesn't bring peace, love and joy to your life, you don't need them, family or not.

 

ChildOfTheFort

(17 posts)
21. Don't I know it!!
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 02:29 PM
Nov 2019

If I actually sat here and told you about MY family and what kind of lunatics and pathetic jerks they are you would send the van with the guys in the white coats armed with straight jackets to round them all up and find padded cells for all of them. Families can kill members of their own with just words or neglect and it HURTS!!!

Faux pas

(14,645 posts)
26. Lol too bad
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:09 PM
Nov 2019

we can't just divorce our families. I am the only somewhat 'normal' one in the whole damned bunch!

FarPoint

(12,293 posts)
27. What about Medicare?
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:10 PM
Nov 2019

Based on age...he could get home care nursing, home PT/OT and maybe a bath aide several days a week? He needs care....it's not unusual for families to be unrealistic....This fella needs Home Care with an RN case manager...Case Manager can coordinate Area on Aging resources, meals, nursing, therapy....Lets focus on your friend needs....the family...not unusual...

Hospital discharge planning would of included these services/referrals..

Oh...is he a Veteran? so, lets focus on his needs instead of family dysfunction...


bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
28. As a mandated reporter, I'm glad I don't know where he is
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:10 PM
Nov 2019

Because this would be a call to adult protective services.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
29. I call it abuse of personality and have dealt with that all my life.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:35 PM
Nov 2019

No_hypocrisy many of us are both introverts and raised to be stoics (mostly by parents that went through the Depression), so it's natural to not complain and especially to never create a scene. However, we're also highly vulnerable to abuse from selfish people, especially extroverts and psychopaths. Took me 'till past my 60s to learn to keep my guard up.

One thing that helps me is to have at least one trusted, loving friend that is a good listener that I can share my emotions with in private without fear of gossip coming from the conversations. Those events go a long way toward relieving internal stress, and also provide courage to be more assertive toward those who are abusive. In some ways, those special friends are our lifeline.

I would strongly suspect this man feels extremely emotionally isolated, which can be just as dangerous as a hurt neck because we tend to just quit caring about ourselves at all.

Best of luck and I hope you can do some things to help this fellow get through this very difficult time.

You might also discover he has a great shoulder for you to cry on as well!....

no_hypocrisy

(46,038 posts)
30. Thank you for your inspirational and educational words.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 03:51 PM
Nov 2019

There literally is nothing else for me to do but to remain available and supportive and to help him be strong.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
33. I hope you can get some private time with him where...
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 04:37 PM
Nov 2019

there's very little noise or interruptions. He may also be a highly sensitive person (HSP) like me, so that noise blocks his clear thinking. If he is truly an introvert like it sounds, you may need to break the ice and suggest a meeting.

Perhaps start out by sharing some of your painful experiences first and not making him feel you are prying or offering solutions right away. You may be pleasantly surprised how he will begin opening up and let 'er rip after a while, but take it slow. It may require more than one session. I worked with some young guys in alcohol recovery that took many kitchen table sessions for them to shed some male ego an let their hair down. That's what our society does to many of us. Unfortunately, a few never are able to shatter that wall of isolation.

We all need those one-on-one emotional interactions that then gives us the courage to look after ourselves. This can be powerful medicine for you as well. If nothing else, he knows he has a friend he can trust and rely on.

I'm not a professional and I don't know why it works so well that way, I just know it does from personal experience.....

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
32. Has been hard for me over the years learning that personality flaws don't quit for health crises.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 04:09 PM
Nov 2019

Whether it's the person with the acute health situation or the immediately surrounding people who can provide support, somehow, people can recover within imperfect family dynamics.

Ideally, if he needs intense, inpatient rehab he'll get back to it after the holiday. While not ideal, in some ways, the haranguing Thanksgiving trip might have been good for him - stimulating, and a push to increase stamina for activity while giving a sense of regular living could be a set of underlying benefits. How any of that compares to his stress, risk of the ride, and pain levels creates the level of net positive aspects.

My overall recommendation from having a family elder a year ago with fractured vertebrae and him trying really hard to get pneumonia while bed ridden with a terrible bout of hay fever (sounds like your friend is in better shape than this, which is good!) is to get as much home health support as possible coming to the house for ongoing PT, OT, and health aides. (Btw, at 90 years old, he did recover and got back on his feet with the help of a walker after a successful procedure and intensive PT/ home healthcare).

I've found that home health isn't emphasized or always directly offered at hospitals. Have had to ask, and insist at times. It’s been the family practioner for my family members on Medicare who can prescribe home health service. The service in their area will come out and do an evaluation for how many visits/type of care. Professionals coming to the home can help bring attention to the person’s needs that untrained or aloof family members cannot recognize on their own. They’re also trained to keep an eye out for neglect and abuse, which can take some pressure off of you watching your friend’s situation from the outside.

I have given the same advice to acquaintances going through similar situations and have gotten reports back that home health PT, etc. really helped them. I think just conveying how this process works with the general practioner needing to be in the mix is helpful. Retired nurses (who certainly have their own healthcare blind spots and peculiarities, but with good skills and extra vocabulary, may listen closer to the authority of healthcare professionals in the home) may not be aware of this, as these services have become more common in recent years.

Otherwise, imo, your friend, the patient at the center of this needs to take ownership of his recovery. Asking him about it and nudging him with positive support to keep up his motivation to stay on his recovery regimen is important. I could be wrong, but I suspect he’s leaned on his wife for health matters over the years, so having a friend give him positive feedback about the results of his PT efforts is super helpful for reiterating that it’s his efforts, his work that gets results.

Hope you find this helpful, but I must emphasize that I’m not a health professional, and I’ll go ahead and beg your pardon if I’m telling you stuff you already know. I’m fortunate to have had good, meaningful relationships/friendships with seniors and elders all my life. Having had my own health problems starting as a young adult has helped me key into health needs of the people around me, and have found I’m compelled to speak up when folks are struggling with health situations.

And props to you, for being a good friend by watching out for your friend’s well-being!



(And because this post is already long, I'd like to add the importance of getting enough vitamin D this time of year. Having levels checked/asking one's doctor if adding some vitamin D is okay during these fall/winter months can be helpful for someone spending more time indoors while recovering. Low iron levels can also be a drag on energy and healing. Have run into this for myself and others over the years.)

no_hypocrisy

(46,038 posts)
38. Postscript
Sat Nov 30, 2019, 09:21 AM
Nov 2019

It has come to my attention that my friend's daughter (the physical therapist) wants her father to undergo a test that detects "early Alzheimer's". Yeah, he's preoccupied and sometimes forgets where he's put his keys, but that's not Alzheimer's.

I worry that with little evidence, his family plans to institutionalize him.

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