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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"It's Your Responsibility to Challenge Bigoted Relatives Over the Holidays"
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Neighborhood segregation means that many white Americans dont see many nonwhite people as members of their communities, and certainly not as their next-door neighbors.
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Not only are white Americans often isolated by race where they live, they are unlikely to be surrounded by friends and loved ones who are nonwhite. If anti-racist white people do not muster up the courage to challenge their bigoted family members this holiday season, no one else will be there to do it.
These forms of isolation mean that many white Americans dont have to confront racial differences in their personal and daily lives. Because of white privilege, many of them can simply opt out of difficult conversations that challenge internalized stereotypes or beliefs about people who arent like them. These attitudes are shaped from an early age. As University of Rhode Island history professor Erik Loomis put it in a recent piece in the Boston Review, when citing a study of white school children in a specific town in the Midwest, almost none develop a meaningful critique of structural racism, question their own privilege, or think seriously about how to combat racial prejudice. They may oppose overt racism, he continued, but they also see themselves as deserving of every advantage they have received.
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What it mostly boils down to, though, is not being passive. Quietly forking away at your yams and green beans while Aunt Susan spews hateful messages about Black people, immigrants, or gender nonconforming people wont do anything to change the status quo. Its just another way of allowing these toxic ideas and beliefs to permeate throughout generations and social networks every day. How about stepping up to do something about it?
https://www.teenvogue.com/story/thanksgiving-holiday-family-politics
snowybirdie
(5,227 posts)for one day. Focus on the good in our lives and the fact that family is family. Worts and all. Remember, many people have lost those they love and are alone. Just one day! Peace
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Loving and accepting family doesn't mean just sitting silently by while they denigrate others. Sometimes the most loving thing you can do is help someone learn and grow. That doesn't have to be confrontational or cruel. There are many gentle ways to handle such things. But ducking them and remaining silent because "it's Thanksgiving" is a copout.
Imagine if you brought a gay friend to Thanksgiving dinner and a family member started spewing homophobic opinions in their presence. Would you say something or just remain silent because "family is family"? And if you'd say something, why not say something even when your gay friend isn't in the room? Do you stand up for what's right only if certain people can hear you or do you do it whenever it you're confronted with bigotry, whether the specific targets of that bigotry are around or not. If it's the former, you're not really an ally, you just play one in public.
This doesn't need to be done in a hateful or ugly way. But remaining silent is refuge of the privileged
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)... personalizing the argument. "Only a fool would believe tRump on Deep State." "So, you are calling me a fool?" "I dunno, some kinda nut to take him seriously." Even shouting at the opponent to intimidate them is personalizing the argument.
There are many logical arguments against bigotry.
Anytime the argument veers to illogic, point it out. When they attack Vindman for his origins, point out it is an ad hominen attack. Call it that. Explain the concept if necessary. Show how it applies. Then point out how they aren't able to defeat the message so they attack the messenger.
At some point, the "family member" will cross over into a personal attack. That is when to look around the whole table asking "Can we all agree to not make personal attacks?" If we can't discuss politics without making it personal, then we can't discuss politics at the family table.
Arm yourself to recognize fallacies.
An Illustrated Book of Bad Arguments
Be scrupulous about not making it personal.
Call it out and get support when they make it personal.
If they instead have the support of the family, then leave the table and go home.
ck4829
(35,071 posts)Really, it would be.
Put aside worrying about medical bills for one day
There's not going to be any homophobia, transphobia, Islamophobia today
Worrying about paying for groceries OR paying for utilities? Don't worry, there's one day a year where you don't have to make that decision.
Our rhetoric is the basis of how we change minds and create reform... but we keep having to turn it off in order to foster "peace".
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Is he helped me see the toxic people in my life, and made it very easy for me to cut them completely out of it.
None of those will be at the same table as me.
Arthur_Frain
(1,849 posts)A culling of the tribe has taken place.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)fascists spew toxic hate on a holiday .
One can hope they realize their silence can be viewed as agreements by others that are present
Other teens however will listenand take up their relatives torch providing another generation of the same especially if nobody in their circle ever makes a statement against it and they have been hearing the hate since a young child indoctrinated year after year by those closest to them as the article mentions the generational and social network creep
dustyscamp
(2,224 posts)The only way we can cure these people is to keep challenging their ideas and try to change the way they think about things.
GeorgeGist
(25,320 posts)that I have no such individuals at my dinner table.
yellowdogintexas
(22,252 posts)because they will all be in lockstep with the football game. That's one way to totally avoid any issues; wolf down your dinner in time for kickoff and after that nobody talks except to yell at the team and/or the referees.
RichardRay
(2,611 posts)Before arguing with friends or family around the Thanksgiving table, take a look at the science behind arguing better, he tweeted.
And it'll never hurt to try this: Listen to people, get them to think about their own experience, and highlight your common humanity, he added, citing a line from a recent article published by Vox titled Most people are bad at arguing. These 2 techniques will make you better.
1) Source of tweet?
2) Where did he learn that idea?
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)my Thanksgiving is full of anti trumpers!
safeinOhio
(32,675 posts)words to shut em up. Like, will Mexico pay for it or those tax cut will pay for themselves. Crooked Hillary released 40 years of taxes because she had nothing to hide.
dustyscamp
(2,224 posts)gordianot
(15,237 posts)Being a blood relative is no excuse.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)Now, more than ever, they are brainwashed to the point of being unreachable.
Seeing the increased evil Pissolini & the Rs are perpetrating on our nation and world, I can find no joy spending time with people who could even imagine support that party.
My husband and I stayed home today from my parents' house where we usually go because my RW sister & her RWNJ new husband will be there. I can see my other non-RW family on other occasions when the RWers won't be there. I just can't deal with it anymore.
gordianot
(15,237 posts)I got a physical threat from one relative. He did not like my response.
H2O Man
(73,537 posts)I'm lucky. My extended family is black, brown, red, yellow and white. Not a single republican among us.
LeftofObama
(4,243 posts)Let it be known loud and clear, far and wide, Republicans, conservative or not, are not allowed in my home. Problem solved.
Bonx
(2,053 posts)irisblue
(32,973 posts)Didn't need much help.
Mom let me live.