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bluestarone

(16,720 posts)
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 12:39 PM Nov 2019

Possible nightmare scenario? help me out here please!

I'm very worried that tRUMP could resign for medical reasons. (i believe under NO circumstances does he want anyone to see his taxes) i'm thinking his lawyers are telling him he will lose the taxes lawsuit. Now can someone clarify what would take place if he were to resign under these conditions? pence would become president. Would the House lose all chances of investigating the tRUMP family? What are OUR options here? TY

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Possible nightmare scenario? help me out here please! (Original Post) bluestarone Nov 2019 OP
If he's not in office, he still has all those cases in New York to deal with ... I would think. RKP5637 Nov 2019 #1
And they can't be pardoned. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #3
Thankfully!!! I think he's going to end up in a really bad situation ... I sure hope so. The tRump RKP5637 Nov 2019 #4
THIS is the best part bluestarone Nov 2019 #7
I'm worried Trump will avoid his come-upance too captain queeg Nov 2019 #2
That's where I'm at too Rorey Nov 2019 #29
I'm not sure, but the SDNY investigations wouldn't be affected and those are them ones they should catbyte Nov 2019 #5
SDNY is Federal leftieNanner Nov 2019 #9
They are federal investigations. If Pence gives a blanket federal pardon, they vanish. nt Blue_true Nov 2019 #65
NY State will continue no matter what & no pardons for state crimes. Congress could continue to hlthe2b Nov 2019 #6
Could we switch to pence and or Barr? bluestarone Nov 2019 #11
Well, I think before allowing pence to appoint a VP, we need to know "if" he was dirty as well. Salviati Nov 2019 #19
I doubt the House would approve any VP pick StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #24
Question for you. ( your one of my go to's for info) TY bluestarone Nov 2019 #32
I think a pardon is only specific for the crimes that are mentioned in the pardon. erronis Nov 2019 #37
Interesting question! StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #49
That's not how it works. Not at all. MineralMan Nov 2019 #25
Appointment of new VP though would be subject WA-03 Democrat Nov 2019 #38
Appointment of a new VP is subject to approval by congress. Salviati Nov 2019 #41
right, and the SENATE confirms a new vp, not the house as someone above stated, so Mitch's last FU Captain Zero Nov 2019 #43
No, it's BOTH houses of Congress. Senate and House both have to approve any appointed VP. Shrike47 Nov 2019 #48
Please read the 25th Amendment StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #51
He can't just unilaterally install a vice president. StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #50
That is true. As a courtesy, the House and Senate generally approve MineralMan Nov 2019 #52
Well in this case bluestarone Nov 2019 #53
Tradition will probably be followed. MineralMan Nov 2019 #54
No tradition applicable to this situation onenote Nov 2019 #59
By picking Ford, who was well thought of in the House, Nixon avoided the pick being Blue_true Nov 2019 #70
I totally agree. nt Blue_true Nov 2019 #68
Since this has only happened twice in history, the last time more than 40 years ago StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #57
I'm thinking also that IF the House blocks the VP THEN bluestarone Nov 2019 #58
We can certainly be without a VP Salviati Nov 2019 #62
We actually can do without a VP. The Constitution has remedies for that in case the Blue_true Nov 2019 #67
His VP has to be approved by Congress. nt Blue_true Nov 2019 #66
The statute of limitations will not have run out when we have an honest Attorney General. NNadir Nov 2019 #8
I don't think it'll stop Raftergirl Nov 2019 #10
If Trump resigns, impeachment ends. MineralMan Nov 2019 #12
Very true! bluestarone Nov 2019 #14
The whole investigation would have to be completely MineralMan Nov 2019 #15
I disagree that it has to be completely reconfigured karynnj Nov 2019 #39
I do agree with your comment about pence continuing the OBSTRUCTION! bluestarone Nov 2019 #44
If pence becomes president, do you have any guess's as to who the AG will be? or VP? bluestarone Nov 2019 #20
I don't know. If Trump does resign, installing Pence as President, MineralMan Nov 2019 #21
YEA! ty bluestarone Nov 2019 #22
"Tumultuous time in DC" - don't some foreign powers want exactly that scenario? erronis Nov 2019 #40
Lots of people want lots of things. MineralMan Nov 2019 #46
He's an old man. It might be some kind of rough justice if he had to spend his remaining years-- dawg day Nov 2019 #30
Once Trump is out of office, I do not give a damn what happens to him, frankly. MineralMan Nov 2019 #35
Trump out of office isn't a nightmare scenario for me. Kaleva Nov 2019 #13
He will still have a daily "told you so" with the same quality logic of birtherism grantcart Nov 2019 #18
Much worse than you imagine grantcart Nov 2019 #16
I don't think he'll pardon Blagojevich Rorey Nov 2019 #33
The benefit is the "both sides do it" framing grantcart Nov 2019 #47
I don't think MF45 will trust Pence NotASurfer Nov 2019 #17
It is not at all clear that he could pardon himself. MineralMan Nov 2019 #23
I'm not sure Pence would necessarily go through with the pardon he might promise. dawg day Nov 2019 #28
He will issue the pardon. In fact, it will be written before Trump resigns, MineralMan Nov 2019 #31
I think he might know he's not liked Rorey Nov 2019 #36
Isn't Barr part of that ilk - dominionist? And who cares who likes him. Jesus and mother do. erronis Nov 2019 #42
Maybe Mother will talk him into not pardoning Conald Rorey Nov 2019 #34
And let's say Pence pardons Trump for federal crimes? dawg day Nov 2019 #26
But the election is already rigged and unreliable. Grasswire2 Nov 2019 #45
I don't get why wheelman Nov 2019 #63
Trump pulls out Turbineguy Nov 2019 #27
Try to think of the worst case scenario and then multiply that by 10... pbmus Nov 2019 #55
Honestly, if he goes without Codeine Nov 2019 #56
That may be what he's banking on ... StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #61
The SDNY investigation into misappropriation of Trump's inaugural funds would continue dlk Nov 2019 #60
No it would not. That investigation is Federal. Blue_true Nov 2019 #71
Yes, it's federal and the case would continue unless there is a pardon. dlk Nov 2019 #72
Pence would likely pardon Trump. Blue_true Nov 2019 #64
Trump will not resign brettdale Nov 2019 #69

RKP5637

(67,030 posts)
4. Thankfully!!! I think he's going to end up in a really bad situation ... I sure hope so. The tRump
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 12:45 PM
Nov 2019

crime family ... and cohorts.

captain queeg

(10,035 posts)
2. I'm worried Trump will avoid his come-upance too
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 12:43 PM
Nov 2019

But for the sake of the country I hope he’s got some serious health issue.

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
29. That's where I'm at too
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:01 PM
Nov 2019

As much as I want him to get EVERYTHING he deserves, and as much as I would think it would be a travesty for him to get a state funeral (thinking ahead here ), he just needs to be gone NOW.

catbyte

(34,166 posts)
5. I'm not sure, but the SDNY investigations wouldn't be affected and those are them ones they should
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 12:46 PM
Nov 2019

really be afraid of. But you're probably right. pence will pardon them all then they will escape federal justice, but the state charges will still be in place. I knew Ford pardoning Nixon was a horrific move back in 1974 and it's come home to roost. But they will not be able to worm their way out of state charges, especially since New York closed that pardon loophole a couple of months ago.

hlthe2b

(101,702 posts)
6. NY State will continue no matter what & no pardons for state crimes. Congress could continue to
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 12:47 PM
Nov 2019

investigate from the standpoint of passing legislation to avoid future similar issues with Executive Branch officials ignoring subpoenas, violating Hatch Act and potential ways to strengthen/define the Emoluments clause--as well as prevention of foreign election interference. While the focus would move from impeaching/punishing Trump to prevention, it could continue and evidence could potentially benefit others.

bluestarone

(16,720 posts)
11. Could we switch to pence and or Barr?
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 12:51 PM
Nov 2019

They were BOTH deeply involved with all the bullshit as well.

Salviati

(6,002 posts)
19. Well, I think before allowing pence to appoint a VP, we need to know "if" he was dirty as well.
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 01:12 PM
Nov 2019

If the country can run fine for a year short a Supreme Court Justice, it can certainly operate fine for a year without someone warming the VP seat. Any VP approval has to go through Pelosi.

bluestarone

(16,720 posts)
32. Question for you. ( your one of my go to's for info) TY
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:04 PM
Nov 2019

If and i mean IF pence pardons tRUMP, can tRUMP be subpoenaed by the house for testimony against pence? or called before a GJ to testify?

erronis

(14,941 posts)
37. I think a pardon is only specific for the crimes that are mentioned in the pardon.
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:14 PM
Nov 2019

Therefore trump can be compelled to testify for other crimes, such as those that pence may have committed at trump's/repuglicon behest. He also can't plead the 5th for any of his own crimes - he would have to testify accurately or risk criminal charges.

IANAL but between this site and EmptyWheel I feel like I've learned a bit of the lingo.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
49. Interesting question!
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 03:46 PM
Nov 2019

Yes, I think he could be a subpoenaed. But while he couldn't hide behind the Fifth Amendment (since the pardon would have removed any possibility of self-incrimination), he might try to invoke executive privilege.

MineralMan

(146,189 posts)
25. That's not how it works. Not at all.
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 01:53 PM
Nov 2019

The minute Pence becomes President, he is the President, and has all the powers of any President. He would name a VP right away, no doubt.

Nobody has anything to say about that. The Constitution makes it clear. If Trump resigns, Pence is President immediately and can do anything any President can do.

We don't get to "allow" him to do anything. Not in any way, shape, or form.

WA-03 Democrat

(3,017 posts)
38. Appointment of new VP though would be subject
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:17 PM
Nov 2019

Goes through House approval.

Pence gets the full power of the president after being sworn in.

Salviati

(6,002 posts)
41. Appointment of a new VP is subject to approval by congress.
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:21 PM
Nov 2019

Section 2 of the Twenty-fifth Amendment provides that, "Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress."[4] This procedure has been implemented twice since the amendment came into force.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States#Vacancies

Captain Zero

(6,714 posts)
43. right, and the SENATE confirms a new vp, not the house as someone above stated, so Mitch's last FU
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:25 PM
Nov 2019

would to be to confirm a Pence pick that McConnell and other GOP criminals would agree upon/.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
51. Please read the 25th Amendment
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 03:50 PM
Nov 2019

"Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress."

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
50. He can't just unilaterally install a vice president.
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 03:48 PM
Nov 2019

His VP pick would have to be approved by both houses of Congress

MineralMan

(146,189 posts)
52. That is true. As a courtesy, the House and Senate generally approve
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 03:51 PM
Nov 2019

of the new President's choice very quickly, since we can't be without a VP. I don't know of any case where there was a delay or when anyone was not approved.

So, in reality, whoever the new President appoints is almost certain to be accepted by Congress.

bluestarone

(16,720 posts)
53. Well in this case
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 03:55 PM
Nov 2019

I hope you're wrong! We are in different times (horrible times) We need to block block block if we don't like the pick! To much at stake in this country today!

MineralMan

(146,189 posts)
54. Tradition will probably be followed.
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 03:57 PM
Nov 2019

Fortunately, a Pence presidency is almost certain to end in January of 2021, and he'll probably live until then, so the VP choice won't matter all that much, most likely.

onenote

(42,373 posts)
59. No tradition applicable to this situation
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 05:31 PM
Nov 2019

The first time Congress had to approve a replacement VP, the sitting president (Nixon) did the nominating. The second time, it was Nixon's nominee, Gerald Ford, who did the nominating, and unlike Pence's situation, Ford was free and clear of any suspicion that he had knowledge or involvement in Nixon's impeachable acts.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
57. Since this has only happened twice in history, the last time more than 40 years ago
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 04:57 PM
Nov 2019

and, in the second case, Congress took four months to confirm the president's VP choice - not to mention how the Trump- Pence Administration has treated Congressional Democrats - it's highly unlikely the current House is going to feel much obligation to feel any obligation to show Pence any "courtesy" by quickly confirming his nominee.

bluestarone

(16,720 posts)
58. I'm thinking also that IF the House blocks the VP THEN
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 05:08 PM
Nov 2019

Nancy will be in line if pence was taken ill? THIS would be reason that the senate and President would be careful. Is this wrong thinking?

Salviati

(6,002 posts)
62. We can certainly be without a VP
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 06:27 PM
Nov 2019

They have no constitutional duties, other than being a warm body to fill the office of presidency as needed. We've had many instances of vacancy in the office of VP, several lasting over 3 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States#Vacancies

If a supreme court justice's seat can go unfilled for over a year, so can the office of VP.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
67. We actually can do without a VP. The Constitution has remedies for that in case the
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 10:20 PM
Nov 2019

President dies or becomes incapacitated.

Pence would have to pick a clean, not too ideological VP to get the House to go along. Or he picks a democrat like Joe Manchin or Tulsi Gabbard, that are suitable to him and who democrats in the House would likely not reject.

NNadir

(33,368 posts)
8. The statute of limitations will not have run out when we have an honest Attorney General.
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 12:49 PM
Nov 2019

No Democratic President is going to appoint a criminal like Barr to the office.

If Trump dies in office, he escapes prison.

If he lives until 2021, he's going to die in prison.

Raftergirl

(1,276 posts)
10. I don't think it'll stop
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 12:50 PM
Nov 2019

the House from their investigations.

There are still admin officials likely involved in the Bribery scheme and cover-up.



MineralMan

(146,189 posts)
12. If Trump resigns, impeachment ends.
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 12:52 PM
Nov 2019

If he's not President, he can't be impeached. Odds are that Pence would issue a blanket pardon for everything Trump has done since becoming President. Possibly, he could pardon him across the board for federal crimes, even before he was President.

However, that wouldn't affect state cases at all. Still, they might get dropped too as not being worthwhile prosecuting. I don't know.

Bottom line, really, is that if Trump resigns and gets pardoned, he'll likely not face much of anything in the way of prison-time charges. I'm OK with that, as long as he is out of the White House permanently. That's where he is most dangerous.

bluestarone

(16,720 posts)
14. Very true!
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 12:57 PM
Nov 2019

But we still have pence, barr, and Mcturtle and many more to investigate. I'm hoping the House will continue the whole bunch!

MineralMan

(146,189 posts)
15. The whole investigation would have to be completely
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 01:02 PM
Nov 2019

reconfigured. Really, it would have to start over from scratch. It's totally focused on Trump right now. That would end immediately on his leaving office if he resigns.

Trump knows that. He's had a couple of tough election losses in a couple of states. His popularity and influence are fading fast, and more is about to be revealed in the House. If ever there was a good time for him to step down, it's right about now.

If he waits too long, Pence might not issue the blanket pardon Trump needs. It would be too unpopular, and Pence has his eyes on the White House. I think he's foolish to think he could get elected, but I suspect he does think that.

More bad news will be coming out very soon about Trump. He can end the investigation overnight if he resigns. I think it's getting more likely that he will do that every day.

karynnj

(59,474 posts)
39. I disagree that it has to be completely reconfigured
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:19 PM
Nov 2019

Like any investigation - and like the Mueller investigations, it really seems to have been constructed from the bottom up. The witnesses have been defining what happened. Already, the 2 FL Giuliani guys have been indicted and Giuliani himself appears to be under FBI investigation.

If Trump resigns, what it would do is change the characterization of the hearings - as they would likely become oversight hearings rather than impeachment hearings. However, if Pence continues Trump's withholding of documents and people appearing, he opens himself to obstruction of justice charges. Also remember it will likely be an election year, he will probably throw Trump, Giuliani etc under the bus and try to make the case he was out of the loop. He would also have a cynical, personal reason NOT to pardon Trump before the election if he is running. (he might even call for the investigation to continue and claim he is anti corruption (ugh!) )

I suspect that with the Mueller investigation, where we still do not have the full report, and where we are now on this - it is too late to have a Trump resignation/ Pence swearing in that wipes everything away.

bluestarone

(16,720 posts)
44. I do agree with your comment about pence continuing the OBSTRUCTION!
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:30 PM
Nov 2019

He will almost have to because he's so deeply involved. That means he will have to stay with BARR as AG? The coverup continues!

bluestarone

(16,720 posts)
20. If pence becomes president, do you have any guess's as to who the AG will be? or VP?
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 01:26 PM
Nov 2019

Will he keep barr? ( i'm thinking not) but could be wrong also VP who would that be (Nikki Haley)?

MineralMan

(146,189 posts)
21. I don't know. If Trump does resign, installing Pence as President,
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 01:28 PM
Nov 2019

what I expect is no immediate changes in anything. It will be a tumultuous time in DC. Pence will accomplish nothing and nothing much will change. It will simply be a waiting period until the election in November.

erronis

(14,941 posts)
40. "Tumultuous time in DC" - don't some foreign powers want exactly that scenario?
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:20 PM
Nov 2019

This seems like it has been building for many years. Perhaps since the fall of the USSR and the ascendancy of one Vlad. Of course the KGB was rather expert, back in the good old days, of causing mayhem. Perhaps better than some of our clandestine operations.

Watch out for unintended consequences. Both in the US and Russia. China and others are doing some deep analyses of these environments.

MineralMan

(146,189 posts)
46. Lots of people want lots of things.
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:36 PM
Nov 2019

We have an election next year. A lot depends on that. I do hope that Democrats will see the value in having a historically large turnout of Democrats next year. That's what I hope.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
30. He's an old man. It might be some kind of rough justice if he had to spend his remaining years--
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:02 PM
Nov 2019

fighting state charges. NY very likely can go after him for tax evasion, and probably will-- why let a huge tax cheat who claims he's a billionaire go when he'd be a great example to the other tax payers?

MineralMan

(146,189 posts)
35. Once Trump is out of office, I do not give a damn what happens to him, frankly.
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:09 PM
Nov 2019

I don't think about that at all. I just want him out of the White House before he blows up the planet.

Kaleva

(36,145 posts)
13. Trump out of office isn't a nightmare scenario for me.
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 12:52 PM
Nov 2019

Whatever were to happen to him after he's out of office is beyond my control and no one of importance is asking my opinion as what should be done, if anything, should that happen.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
18. He will still have a daily "told you so" with the same quality logic of birtherism
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 01:07 PM
Nov 2019

Until he is dead

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
16. Much worse than you imagine
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 01:05 PM
Nov 2019

1) Trump will start massive pardons. Like the war crimes but also across the board hundreds for drug related crimes

2) He will pardon Stone. And IL governor Blagojevich (sp?)

3) he will fake a "catastrophic medical event" get better and then get worse (which I predicted 3 years ago.

4) Have to resign (before removal) of office to retain SS and other privileges. Gets pardon.

5) stays quiet until after the election.

6) then has infantile Twitter break down every day until the rest of his life. That is the real nightmare.

7) He will be prosecuted by NY State but it may be difficult to prosecute because most of the time he had cut outs.

Having the media start every day with their Trump 30 minutes even after he is out of office. If it appears that he is going to prison he will go to some place like Abu Dhabi and live in luxury.

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
33. I don't think he'll pardon Blagojevich
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:06 PM
Nov 2019

He was a Democrat, and as far as I know there would be no benefit to Conald.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
47. The benefit is the "both sides do it" framing
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:41 PM
Nov 2019

He will pick out dozens of cases including people out of prison and probably some that are dead.

NotASurfer

(2,135 posts)
17. I don't think MF45 will trust Pence
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 01:05 PM
Nov 2019

His last official act before leaving office will be to pardon himself for any and all crimes and misdemeanors he ever committed or ever will commit, at any level of jurisdiction, in this or any past or future lifetime, including but not limited to shooting as many people as he wants on Fifth Avenue, and dare anyone to pursue any legal action

MineralMan

(146,189 posts)
23. It is not at all clear that he could pardon himself.
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 01:35 PM
Nov 2019

I doubt that he can. Pence will pardon him, though.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
28. I'm not sure Pence would necessarily go through with the pardon he might promise.
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 01:59 PM
Nov 2019

Pence is very good at deciding what he wants to do is ordained by God.

He will probably piously say that God doesn't want him to pardon Trump. He isn't very bright, but he's arrogant. It's a weird combination of submission and conceit. "I'm so great, I can pretend to be Trump's little lapdog, but really I'm in charge."

MineralMan

(146,189 posts)
31. He will issue the pardon. In fact, it will be written before Trump resigns,
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:04 PM
Nov 2019

if Trump resigns. No pardon; no resignation. Pence wants so badly to be President that he'd sign anything to get the chance. I don't think there's any question at all about the pardon - assuming a resignation by Trump. Pence would insist on that, and Trump would insist on a full, blanket pardon for all federal crimes, including any committed before he became President.

Pence would simply ask, "Where do I sign?"

Pence is a dominionist. He want's a nation run by God's rules. He's not going to get that, but that would not stop him from trying if he becomes President. However, he would only be President until 2021. He cannot win the 2020 election. Nobody really likes him, but he doesn't really know that.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
26. And let's say Pence pardons Trump for federal crimes?
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 01:57 PM
Nov 2019

Well, we know how that worked for Gerald Ford. Even actual Nixon supporters thought that was a craven move, and that there had probably been a deal made so that Nixon would resign and Ford would get to be president.

I think it's more likely that in 2020, no matter if Trump or Pence is at the top of the ticket, national revulsion will vomit them out of office.

And Pence is hardly free of the charge of complicity. He was all over the Zelensky extortion.

Grasswire2

(13,564 posts)
45. But the election is already rigged and unreliable.
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 02:31 PM
Nov 2019

Coates, Comey, Wray and Mueller all told us so UNDER OATH.

All it takes is for several states' tallies to be botched, and then referred to SCOTUS for resolution. Voila.

wheelman

(20 posts)
63. I don't get why
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 07:26 PM
Nov 2019

so few can't see that what grasswire2 just said is all too likely. I actually expect it, but hope I'm wrong. Of course if I AM wrong, it would, I guess, mean the Coats, Comey, Wray and Mueller were all wrong.

pbmus

(12,418 posts)
55. Try to think of the worst case scenario and then multiply that by 10...
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 04:08 PM
Nov 2019

You will have come close to what is going to happen with the Big Con...


Grantcart is coming very close...he just forgot to mention starting a war Iran...

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
61. That may be what he's banking on ...
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 05:57 PM
Nov 2019

That we just get so worn down, we simply say, "Whatever. Just GO!"

dlk

(11,425 posts)
60. The SDNY investigation into misappropriation of Trump's inaugural funds would continue
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 05:54 PM
Nov 2019

If crimes were committed, Trump’s being in office or not wouldn’t impact the investigation or prosecution.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
71. No it would not. That investigation is Federal.
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 10:29 PM
Nov 2019

Pence most likely would give a blanket pardon, which wipes out all federal investigations.

dlk

(11,425 posts)
72. Yes, it's federal and the case would continue unless there is a pardon.
Mon Nov 18, 2019, 12:25 AM
Nov 2019

Pence is involved in the bribery scandal, too, and other than speculation, the future is difficult to accurately predict at this point.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
64. Pence would likely pardon Trump.
Sun Nov 17, 2019, 10:10 PM
Nov 2019

So yes, the House investigation would become moot and would stop since it's main purpose (determine whether Trump violated US laws) would become irrelevant.

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