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(6,034 posts)bitterross
(4,066 posts)How the hell does one read Anti-Semitism into anti-billionaire-ism?
Seriously? She's knocking billionaires for hanging together. Has nothing to do with them being Jewish.
nycbos
(6,034 posts)About how support of Israel is "about the Benjamin's" The duel loyalty trope is a centuries old antisemitic propaganda.
If she didn't say that I might be prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt.
And don't say but she endorsed Sanders.
That like saying "I not racist I have a black friend"
George II
(67,782 posts)nycbos
(6,034 posts)bitterross
(4,066 posts)That thinking sounds a lot more like a Republican than a progressive.
George II
(67,782 posts)bitterross
(4,066 posts)It came across just like any hard-line, tough on crime Republican: "She/He/They did it once, so they must be guilty now. The Leopard can't change its spots."
ck4829
(35,038 posts)There's a very popular thread on DU right now calling Stephen Miller a white nationalist with very strong evidence of him being one, absolutely nobody is accused of being anti-Semitic there... even though Ilhan Omar said the same thing and was ripped for it.
ck4829
(35,038 posts)Hekate
(90,553 posts)Its because they are both billionaires.
George II
(67,782 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the entire Democratic leadership on Monday condemned Rep. Ilhan Omar for suggesting that Israels allies in American politics were motivated by money rather than principle, an extraordinary rebuke of a House freshman in the vanguard of the partys left flank.
The Minnesota congresswomans Sunday evening tweet Its all about the Benjamins baby, a reference to $100 bills drew immediate denunciations from Republicans and fellow Democrats, especially Jewish members of Congress. Within hours, Pelosi (D-Calif.) and the leadership issued a joint statement calling Omars use of anti-Semitic tropes and prejudicial accusations about Israels supporters deeply offensive and insisted on an apology.
In response, Omar said her intention was never to offend my constituents or Jewish Americans as a whole. .?.?. This is why I unequivocally apologize.
Imperialism Inc.
(2,495 posts)are responding to AIPAC money.
Lobbyists pay Congresspeople to convince them to vote the way they want them to. AIPAC is a lobbying organization. Therefore, AIPAC pays Congresspeople to convince them to vote they way they want them to.
Nothing controversial about it. She should have never apologized.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)Not mine or hers
George II
(67,782 posts)House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the entire Democratic leadership on Monday condemned Rep. Ilhan Omar for suggesting that Israels allies in American politics were motivated by money rather than principle, an extraordinary rebuke of a House freshman in the vanguard of the partys left flank.
The Minnesota congresswomans Sunday evening tweet Its all about the Benjamins baby, a reference to $100 bills drew immediate denunciations from Republicans and fellow Democrats, especially Jewish members of Congress. Within hours, Pelosi (D-Calif.) and the leadership issued a joint statement calling Omars use of anti-Semitic tropes and prejudicial accusations about Israels supporters deeply offensive and insisted on an apology.
In response, Omar said her intention was never to offend my constituents or Jewish Americans as a whole. .?.?. This is why I unequivocally apologize.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)Irrelevant
leftieNanner
(15,062 posts)Cuz you got reported.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)regardless of their race, religion, ethnicity or geographical location?
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)ronnie624
(5,764 posts)Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)lapucelle
(18,187 posts)Mike Bloomberg is a Libertarian-Leaning Progressive.
https://www.ontheissues.org/Mike_Bloomberg.htm
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Ilhan Omar is a Populist-Leaning Liberal.
https://www.ontheissues.org/House/Ilhan_Omar.htm
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)I don't arrange and gauge political ideology according to those grids.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)It would not be surprising if what a layman perceives based on agenda-driven story lines and narratives from self-selected (and often bias-confirming) sources doesn't line up with what data analysts determine based on a careful, thorough, and objective examination of a politician's actual record.
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Bloomberg:
https://bit.ly/32vY9qV
Omar:
https://bit.ly/2qEwAOX
About:
OnTheIssues.org
https://www.ontheissues.org/about.htm
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)to be definitive of political ideology; it's just that simple. You have your biases and I have mine. It's all about policy issues for me. I do not consider any candidate that does not regard 100% publicly funded healthcare and education as human rights (as well as essential resources for our civilization), to be progressive. And there is no such thing as a progressive billionaire.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)across the field of candidates without reference to personality, perceived popularity, or punditry.
While people are certainly free to believe in personalized definitions, blanket generalizations,and similar amorphous idiosyncratic criteria, an educated electorate is the organization's goal.
Celerity
(43,096 posts)props to my Texas friend for that expression
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)makes him a sociopath?
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)The fact is he's given hundreds of millions of dollars to support climate control, in your terminology, the "health of human society".
Doesn't look like a sociopath to me.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Considering he believes in bizarre health related penalties like the soda tax.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)the racist stop and frisk policy is.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)He also authorized the detention of protests during the GOP convention in 2004 so as not to embarrass Bush.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)The media became aware of the policy (and the abuses) in the early 2000's.
My son is NYPD. For years, his precinct commander used "Stop, Question, Frisk" to remove gauntlets of "panhandlers" from the entrances to the building doorways and playground areas of public housing projects. (Police were allowed to ask and then check ID to see if they were residents; if they weren't, they could be asked to leave the project grounds.)
That use of the policy made life safer and better for an already marginalized population who were often unable to come and go from their own homes without being continually hassled to "contribute" money that they could ill-afford to give away.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)He didn't stop it and authorized it to continue under his administration.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)I'm sure that you are also aware that it was during Bloomberg's third term as mayor that the stop and frisk policy was, in large measure, reformed.
I'll take it as a given that any allegation that Mike Bloomberg (by implication) somehow fits the definition of "sociopath" has quietly fallen by the wayside.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)And he detained protesters without charge during the 2004 GOP convention. Gutted public school funding in favor of charter schools Then subverted the will of the people to buy himself an illegal third term. Sounds a lot like a sociopath to me.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)While people are certainly free to believe in personalized definitions, blanket generalizations,and similar amorphous idiosyncratic standards, demonizing members and allies of the Democratic coalition serves the Republican's purpose and helped put both GW Bush and Trump in the White House.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)in the White House.
And it was DeBlasio that finally ended Stop & Frisk. Not Bloomberg.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2018/11/22/bloombergs-stop-and-frisk-legacy-would-complicate-presidential-bid-707075
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)when Bloomberg was Mayor just as you're ignoring his illegal detention of protesters during the 2004 GOP convention.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)that Mike Bloomberg did not end "stop and frisk", and that Mike Bloomberg is a "sociopath".
Facts matter. Fact-free purist posturing helped put both GW Bush and Trump in the White House.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)but helped keep him there by illegally detaining protestors during the GOP convention in 04. You keep ignoring that fact.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)Both Gore and Clinton were falsely tarred with the odious "lesser of two evils" narrative during their respective general election runs. Now it appears that some are ready to label a potential Democratic primary candidate a "sociopath".
Do you have data to support your claim that the detention of protesters during the Republican convention helped to elect Bush to a second term?
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)Now you're spinning wildly.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)Bloomberg detained protesters during the GOP in 04 to help Bush. Whether it directly contributed to Bushs re-election is irrelevant.
Bloomberg also diverted money from public schools to fund charter schools. He wasted millions of tax payer dollars in a vain attempt to get the Olympics to feed his ego. He once held a required public hearing to increase property taxes on middle class homeowners at 6am in the morning. He subverted the will of the people to buy himself a third term. Defending Bloomberg is defending all of these actors include the racist stop and frisk policy.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)I am not defending Bloomberg. I am defending fact-based analysis.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)if not to help Bush? Please explain.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)Please provide.
And while your at it, please provide a link for the claim that Bloomberg held a hearing at "6:00 am in the morning". These taking points are coming from somewhere. Do you have a link?
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)https://www.cnn.com/2014/01/15/politics/new-york-republican-convention-settlement/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/15/2004-republican-convention-protests-new-york-witness
Try spinning this to defend Bloomberg.
And how about everything else? What about his smearing of his Democratic opponents? Or cutting of construction regulations which led to several catastrophic crane failures that killed people.
I lived in NYC all during Bloombergs term and know all the crap he pulled. Any democrat who defends him should be ashamed of themselves.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)lapucelle
(18,187 posts)That never happened.
Where is your support for your claim that Bloomberg de-regulated construction safety rules?
The opposite is actually true.
Do you have a link for the source of your talking points and/or claims?
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)Stop being a Bloomberg sycophant. Youre embarrassing yourself.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)Please stop confusing the defense of fact-based discourse with the defense of a political figure.
Do you have any links to support your talking points?
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)but the truth. Sorry you refuse to accept the truth about a racist billionaire Lindsay.
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)Or provide the source for the talking points so we can assess its validity, reliability, and potential biases.
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)But fact that you refuse to accept due to your worship of a racist billionaire Lindsay
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)but reality that you refuse to accept Lindsay
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)If it is indeed a reality, you'll of course provide objective data/evidence to support it as such, yes?
Or is this simply another series of narrative bumper stickers pretending to be "reality"?
It's one or the other.
Pretense (then oppression of millionaires) or objective evidence (critical thought).
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)But you refuse to accept reality about a billionaire racist Lindsay
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)lapucelle
(18,187 posts)Celerity
(43,096 posts)by calling you Lindsay over and over in multiple replies
I have no clue what that means or is all about
good luck
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)Celerity
(43,096 posts)lapucelle
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Celerity
(43,096 posts)Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)lapucelle
(18,187 posts)Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)and every one of your defend Bloomberg at all costs proves it
lapucelle
(18,187 posts)Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)but you refuse to accept reality Lindsey
roody
(10,849 posts)lapucelle
(18,187 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)because she pointed out that a billionaire is endorsing a fellow billionaire and the two billionaires happen to be Jewish?
still_one
(92,061 posts)Dont throw that card out, because there are plenty of examples across the demographic spectrum to counter that
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)still_one
(92,061 posts)reflect both meanings.
That she explicitly decided not to SPELL THE DISTINCTION OUT, speaks volumes
She not a naïve person
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)what they have in common is that they're billionaires so that people who know they're both Jewish (something I didn't know until now) don't assume she's talking about their religion?
Seriously?
Should she mention Bernie Sanders' non-Jewish bona fides every time she mentions him, just in case someone thinks her endorsement of him has anything to do with his being a Jew?
still_one
(92,061 posts)ronnie624
(5,764 posts)Cary
(11,746 posts)ronnie624
(5,764 posts)Cary
(11,746 posts)I see you laughing when asked if you are Jewish.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)Cary
(11,746 posts)Unfortunately Omar has said enough to make the case that she is an anti-Semite. That doesn't make it so but one can make a reasonably objective argument. That argument is strong enough to raise an eyebrow when you callously slough it off.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)Cary
(11,746 posts)still_one
(92,061 posts)personal experience as specific demographic, is not going to be the same as one who is not of that demographic
People can empathize or try to put someone in their shoes, but it isnt the same thing
Cary
(11,746 posts)Response to still_one (Reply #31)
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Dorian Gray
(13,479 posts)or avoid the snarky one liners.
She should do so because she has shared anti-semitic points of view in the past, after which she promised to do better.
So even if she in no way meant it to skirt that line.... it's enough to be confused.
She should take a moment before she says something and really consider how it can be interpreted. She should do this mostly because she's a smart and decent person who ISN'T truly anti-semitic and who knows that she can be misinterpreted.
George II
(67,782 posts)still_one
(92,061 posts)read Rep. Omar's tweet, and she was specifically referring to his "billionaire" status, implying that was "disqualifying". I don't agree with that premise at all. That said, after reading her tweet, from my perspective I DON'T consider the tweet as anti-Semitic.
I wrongly thought she had left it ambiguous, and she didn't
Anyway, thanks for pointing out
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)We should all be more willing to do that.
still_one
(92,061 posts)specifically to billionaires.
This isn't the first time you have corrected me, and it won't be the last, and I thank-you for that
George II
(67,782 posts)OldRed2450
(710 posts)This is the same logic Trump uses to hide his racism behind Candace Owens and Ben Carson.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)There's a difference between claiming someone's not racist because some black people are stupid enough to support them and pointing out that a woman who endorsed a Jewish man for president is probably not suggesting that a billionaire endorsed a billionaire for president because he's Jewish.
still_one
(92,061 posts)they cannot be anti-Semitic
That was the SAME excuse they used when the John Birch Society endorsed Barry Goldwater for President
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)or when and how I express my opinion about its operation. And I particularly don't need to have anyone try to justify to me the policing of a black woman's comments about two white billionaires who happen to also be Jewish by telling me I shouldn't comment on it because I'm not Jewish. I could just as easily tell you you have no space to speak about a Omar's comments or intent because you're not black. But that would be stupid.
If you choose to read anti-Semitism into her comments, that's your prerogative.
But the fact that the political context of her comments involves three Jewish men from New York, two of whom are billionaires, and she's commenting about one of the billionaires endorsing the other billionaire who may run against the non-billionaire candidate she endorsed, tells me that her comment had nothing to do with the two billionaires being Jewish - any more than it was about them both being men or both being from New York.
Instead, the most logical interpretation is that it's about the common denominator between them that the third man does not share - their wealth.
still_one
(92,061 posts)interpret it is your prerogative.
Yes, that's right, and I base that on her past comments
Cary
(11,746 posts)We are all the same species. Race isn't a biological concept.
vsrazdem
(2,177 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)Seriously broke into tears on CNBC just the other day.
Beringia
(4,316 posts)who are Jewish.
And she is also anti-semitic for supporting a candidate that is Jewish.
Makes a lot of sense. (sarcasm)
still_one
(92,061 posts)billionaire, not because of any double meanin or his religion
So it was my bad reading on the first pass
I should have been more careful
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,586 posts)If her intent was merely to point out that a billionaire has predictably endorsed another billionaire, she should have made that point more clearly. She has already been accused several times of anti-Semitism, so she should have been aware that her tweet about Cooperman and Bloomberg could also be interpreted that way. It would have been just as easy to tweet something like "Of course a billionaire like Cooperman would endorse another billionaire!" which would have been consistent with her own endorsement of (Jewish) Bernie Sanders and would have prevented another accusation of anti-Semitism.
But her problem, assuming her intent was only to zing a couple of billionaires, is that she doesn't seem to get the politics of these matters. She has had an awful lot of own-goals that are detracting from her effectiveness as a member of Congress. Since she's my representative - and I voted for her, enthusiastically - I want her to be effective and stop painting bull's-eyes on her own back. Her voting "present" on the Armenian genocide resolution pissed off just about everybody. She didn't have to do that, and her reason for it was ridiculous: She said other genocides weren't getting enough attention so she didn't want to vote for a resolution condemning that one. She already has a primary challenger, a community organizer named John Mason who, if elected, would be the first openly gay black member of Congress. I'll be giving him a good hard look.
still_one
(92,061 posts)Last edited Sun Nov 10, 2019, 06:21 PM - Edit history (1)
because of his billionaire status, and I don't take that as anti-Semitic. While I don't want Bloomberg running, I don't agree that wealth is a disqualifying attribute either, but at least she was specific, and didn't leave any ambiguity from my perspective, and it was not about his religion.
All the other points you made are very good ones though
Igel
(35,274 posts)you are not really her audience.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,586 posts)I want a representative who represents her constituents - all of them - and these gaffes or whatever you want to call them are damaging her effectiveness.
OldRed2450
(710 posts)not only did she say other genocides need attention as a reason but also mentioned 'academic consensus' on the issue. There is no academic consensus unless you're denying it.
Polybius
(15,334 posts)Right-wing Christian groups may not like how Trump is a cursing adulterer, but they vote for him anyway because he advances their agenda.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)I have lots of problems with governments all over the world including our own but the right wing conflate criticism of the government of Israel to be anti-semitic. Certainly for anti Semites they are anti Israel for anti semitic reasons but I don't see enough evidence Omar is.
Jewish Voice for Peace isn't pro Israel and they said they can get away with criticism that Omar can't because she is Muslim. I'm sure as a white male I received a lot less flack for my criticism of the government than Omar has because of it.
corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)I see that DUers have tried to rebut this simple statement of fact. They fall flat in their attempts.
Rep. Omar's endorsement of Sanders, along with 2 other members of The Squad, has centrists seething. Feeble attempts to assign racism to a tweet which seeks to decry classism (and nothing else) sway me exactly 0%.
Turin_C3PO
(13,909 posts)It could just be about billionaires supporting billionaires. I could be wrong, though.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)I seriously doubt Cooperman and Bloomberg both being Jewish has anything to do with this.
Turin_C3PO
(13,909 posts)Yeah, Im definitely thinking people are reading false meaning into this.
OldRed2450
(710 posts)So it's hard to give her the benefit of doubt.
Turin_C3PO
(13,909 posts)will try and make this a big deal, given Trumps previous rhetoric about Omar. Im not going to contribute to it.
OldRed2450
(710 posts)don't care about what the right says as a reason not to defend them.
Turin_C3PO
(13,909 posts)Youre not going to convince me otherwise.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Because if she does, people have the right to interpret it as anti-Semitic instead of just assuming she meant what she actually said?
That standard would require a whole lot of white Democrats - including some of our presidential candidates - to permanently STFU.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,307 posts)mshasta
(2,108 posts)Nothing to do with being Jewish
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Vinca
(50,236 posts)meant billionaires.
OldRed2450
(710 posts)She left it to interpretation. If she meant billionaires, she should have said so.
ExciteBike66
(2,297 posts)"billionaire"?
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Because some people would assume th fact that both were Jewish meant she was being anti-Semitic? It sounds like some other people are more hung up than she is on the religion the two men share. Maybe the problem lies elsewhere.
OldRed2450
(710 posts)still_one
(92,061 posts)OldRed2450
(710 posts)still_one
(92,061 posts)lot of visibility
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Vinca
(50,236 posts)dlk
(11,512 posts)Nothing anti-Semitic there. Someone needs to calm down.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)dlk
(11,512 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Who is this person and why the f should I care?
ismnotwasm
(41,965 posts)Religion/ethnicity/cultural identity is obviously NOT what what she was referring to, and I say this as, howcan I put this, not her biggest fan.
That being said, she had put her foot in her mouth enough times that every time she opens it, what she says gets used against her.
still_one
(92,061 posts)doesn't realize because of her past statements, she has created a lot of visibility for herself that you would think she would be very specific
ismnotwasm
(41,965 posts)Shes set herself up, and she need to be more sensitive to how anti-semitism works. Its insidious shit
It WAS a stupid thing to say. Im giving her a lot of leeway, for me. Maybe I shouldnt.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,965 posts)Thats why I dont think she meant anything else by it. She is scrutinized under a microscope though, when there is any opinion, interaction with Jewish persons. I would think shed be a bit better at social media by now.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)I had no idea Cooperman was Jewish until today.
ismnotwasm
(41,965 posts)My frustration with her is from earlier comments, and I doubt she was purposefully anti-Semitic then eitherinsensitive? oh, yes.
For her to truly succeed as a politician, she needs to recognize where she is weaker or vulnerable, and take care. Jewish people in general have a lot of bigoted bullshit tossed their way. Its sometimes hard to parse out, because of the sheer insidiousness of it and how its spread throughout our culture.
There are ways she can fix this perception of herself. I hope she does some of them
still_one
(92,061 posts)pointed it out, and I looked again
and just for the record I dont want Bloomberg runnin, and have no idea what he expects to accomplish, unless he is trying to improve the odds for a brokered convention, which would only benefit trump
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)I wish both he and Steyer would use their money to flood the zone, not engage in "only I can fix it" vanity campaigns ...
still_one
(92,061 posts)link that I missed
Thanks
Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #57)
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50 Shades Of Blue
(9,920 posts)what religion he is even if I had heard of him, and never gave Bloomberg's religion any thought either.
LaurenOlimina
(1,165 posts)It looks like one billionaire critic of Warren backing another billionaire to me.
Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez have already called out the class solidarity as well.
He doesn't have to worry about coming into Iowa, he doesnt have to worry about going to New Hampshire or Nevada or South Carolina, he said. He's just going to spend, I suspect, hundreds of millions of dollars in media in California because he's a billionaire," he added. "So that's the corruption of the political system based on the kind of massive wealth inequality that exists right now."
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/469772-sanders-ocasio-cortez-see-class-solidarity-in-report-bezos-asked-bloomberg
melman
(7,681 posts)She's saying billionaires support billionaires because they have a common interest: Not paying taxes
Also Josh Jordan is a right wing asshole. Why are you posting his shit here?
still_one
(92,061 posts)Really.
"Josh Jordan, @NumbersMuncher
Josh Jordan has written for the National Review and Real Clear Politics, but his best outlet has to be Twitter. The conservative is no fan of liberals or Trump. But, fortunately for liberals, he directs much of his ire at the president."
https://www.salon.com/2017/10/14/conservatives-twitter/
You do realize it's possible to be anti-Trump and still a right wing asshole, don't you?
Let's see. Bill Kristol, George Conway, George Will...etc etc. There are quite a few.
George II
(67,782 posts)OldRed2450
(710 posts)1. She tweeted: Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel.
2.She insinuated support for Israel among US lawmakers is all about the Benjamins.
3.She told an audience in D.C. that I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is O.K. to push for allegiance to a foreign country.
4. She oddly supports Erdogan by voting against sanctions on Turkey, talking about a debate on academic consensus as to why she voted 'present' on a bill to acknowledge Armenian Genocide.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)OldRed2450
(710 posts)I know we are on the right side of this issue no matter what others say.
OldRed2450
(710 posts)is gas lighting and for what? This is not a one off on her part so why defend it?
still_one
(92,061 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Than a Democratic elected official.
melman
(7,681 posts)He's a right winger. This is a fact.
Asshole is my opinion.
OldRed2450
(710 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)Judging by who they suggest you might "also like" when you're on his page.
OldRed2450
(710 posts)It shows that when you go to Ihlan's profile because so many so them are interested in what she tweets.
melman
(7,681 posts)It shows this.
And with that we are done here. Have a wonderful day.
BuffaloJackalope
(818 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)But your implied slur against this Democratic Rep. is noted.
George II
(67,782 posts)Shakespeares Shylock character, a money lender who extracts a pound of flesh from a debtor who defaulted, is among historys best-known caricatures of the Jewish businessman. That caricature lent a sinister undertone of greed and exploitation to Jewish financial dealings that would be invoked to justify anti-Jewish measures for centuries to come.
Supposed Jewish control of the global financial system a feature of what some call economic anti-Semitism was a major theme in Hitlers war against European Jews, Father Coughlins anti-Semitic rants in the United States, and the czarist forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Related slurs include claims that Jews are wealthy, greedy and stingy, obsessed with material goods and profit, and that they exploit their economic advantages to help their own people, to the detriment of the public good.
Bok_Tukalo
(4,322 posts)Pathetic.
Yavin4
(35,421 posts)That's what she's responding to. Billionaires are not a protected class. This shit is getting beyond ridiculous.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I'm the wife of a Jew here; I held the door open that she was too ignorant to know how mistaken and offensive she was the first time, but I have good ears for this shit that's just been continuing.
A MN congresswoman has no NEED to make yet another snide public comment about a NY Jew. With her record, of course unnecessary hits at distant Jews are going to grab attention. We really should wonder if that isn't exactly it. She's not stupid.
Notably, she's of course running for reelection, and support among Democrats in her district who voted happily for a pretty Somali American Muslim just a year ago is understandably weakening. A lot of small donors nationally are sending her money and she's well funded, but they can't vote. The only way to replace lost Democratic votes would be with others in her district.
My best guess is this hit was a two-fer, that she's trying to both secure those on the farther left with the billionaire part and also some more conservative, and specifically antisemitic, voters with the Jew part. Especially when you consider that antisemitism has risen and is motivating many on the far left. Not among all by any means, but...a two-fer.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,586 posts)She is obviously very pro-Palestinian, and she has sometimes expressed that position in ways that have led at least some people to believe that she is also anti-Semitic, and as a result she has been harshly criticized. Since she is surely aware of that criticism, why doesn't she think a little more carefully before she issues statements or tweets that lend themselves to that same interpretation, even if it's not what she really meant? Maybe she's naive, or maybe she's living in an ideological bubble. Whatever it is, she doesn't seem to know how to avoid painting bull's-eyes on her own back, and her support here is waning - her "present" vote on the Armenian genocide resolution upset just about everybody.
This is a very diverse district - majority white and Christian but there are a lot of other groups, religions and ethnicities as well, including many Jews, Latinos, Hmong, Tibetans and Vietnamese (and Armenians). I get that she feels strongly about representing her underserved and struggling Somali community, which is admirable, but the rest of her constituency needs her representation, too. She already has a primary challenger, a community organizer named John Mason. As things stand around here now, he could win, and if he does (this being a very blue district with almost no Republicans), he'd be the first openly gay black member of Congress.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)like you. Reading articles in local newspapers that cautiously suggest that isn't the same.
Accepting and working with diverse ideologies is the essence of democracy, but representatives in congress need to develop an educated intellectual foundation for their own. Her equating American Zionism with American Jews is extremely misdirected. Of course the Palestinians' largest, and hugely powerful American enemy is the pro-Zionist Republican Party dominated by Zionist Christians and other gentiles. Conservatives use the Zionist subset of our 2% Jewish population for distractions and fall guys for their actions. Blame the Jews. Gee, that's new.
I give her credit for understanding every time now, for sure since the first one went national, that statements from her will be taken by many as antisemitic. Her choice to keep repeating, and we'll see how this strategy, or indulgence of what shouldn't be indulged, whatever it is, works out for her.
A smile for the possibility of your district at least having the choice of trading in their first female Somali American Muslim for the first openly gay black member. Voters' choice, no one else's though. I'd really like to live in a district like yours. Again. I've missed West Hollywood ever since we moved away, long ago now.
kcr
(15,314 posts)It already blatantly states the obvious connection between the two, billionaire. So, the "I wonder why?" hints at the question of another one.
johnp3907
(3,730 posts)jcmaine72
(1,773 posts)Turbineguy
(37,291 posts)They could mean anything. If we like.
Maru Kitteh
(28,313 posts)Initech
(100,038 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,578 posts)still_one
(92,061 posts)billionaire, not his religion
While I dont agree with the argument that because someone is wealthy they arent qualified to run for President because of that wealth, that is far different then inferring it is because of his religion, which she didnt, and that is good
I also am not happy That he is considering running, and hope he doesnt
obnoxiousdrunk
(2,909 posts)Try a little harder next time.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)mn9driver
(4,419 posts)She was responding to a tweet that very specifically talked about the billionaire club. Billionaires supporting fellow billionaires.
Trying to make this about her alleged antisemitism is very much a religious attack. But on her, not on Bloomberg.
BuffaloJackalope
(818 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Thank you for calling it.
johnp3907
(3,730 posts)Thank you.
Initech
(100,038 posts)It will be the same message but it will get twisted and distorted in such a way that it's almost unrecognizable. It starts at Limbaugh, then gets passed to Fox News, which gets passed to OANN, which gets passed to Infowars, which gets passed to Daily Caller / Wire / Whatever, and then by the end of that cycle the message has literally lost all meaning. See: Pizzagate.
OldRed2450
(710 posts)It could be that I am wrong here but her past words and actions are weighed here.
1. She tweeted: Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel.
2.She insinuated support for Israel among US lawmakers is all about the Benjamins.
3.She told an audience in D.C. that I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is O.K. to push for allegiance to a foreign country.
4. She oddly supports Erdogan by voting against sanctions on Turkey, talking about a debate on academic consensus as to why she voted 'present' on a bill to acknowledge Armenian Genocide.
If I'm wrong, I am wrong but don't insinuate that I am a bigot.
BuffaloJackalope
(818 posts)Criticizing Israel (a secular country, mind you) & it's undo influence on all aspects of US foreign policy should never be construed as anti-Semitism. Doing so is a RW trap. Don't fall for it.
OldRed2450
(710 posts)I never make dual loyalty charges the way Ilhan has. Referring to Israel and the Jews as manipulative conspirators is a hateful anti-Semitic trope.
BuffaloJackalope
(818 posts)All I can see is that you've repeated Jordan's deliberate & false RW-based mischaracterization of Omar's tweet. Which is disturbingly repetitive of the RW.
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BuffaloJackalope
(818 posts)Israel =/= Jews
OldRed2450
(710 posts)I found it reasonable. I think given her past comments she should have left no ambiguity in her tweet.
https://www.jta.org/2019/02/13/politics/jews-in-minnesota-dont-like-ilhan-omars-tweets-but-theyll-still-work-with-her
BuffaloJackalope
(818 posts)I see a lot of insinuations from RWrs attempting to slander a Democrat, but looking at Omar's actual words - I don't see it.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)And we're falling for it ... Again.
And I include me in that we, because I joined in the fight, too.
As long as we fight with each other about whether a comment by a black Muslim Democratic woman, who happens to be a favorite target of Trump - is anti-Semitic, all the better for the other side.
That's the point.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)And pukes know how to take advantage of it.
Mike Nelson
(9,944 posts)... a billionaire supporting a billionaire. I'm guessing that's what she meant. I think she's supporting Bernie for President, too...
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)She's being consistent with the candidate she's supporting.
But, by all means, let's fall into the GOP trap of eating our own - especially the black Muslim woman.
evertonfc
(1,713 posts)walking advertisement for the GOP in Florida, GA, NC and mid West. Unlike the other freshman group, she has been terribly disappointing
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)The chuds will deliberately misinterpret anything Rep. Oman says as "anti-Semitic".
What a load of shit.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Don't feed into right wing narratives which are often more obvious Islamaphobic.
Michael Bloomberg is known for stop and frisk but Omar is the bad person here.
Initech
(100,038 posts)Giving them any sort of credence or recognition is exactly what they want and only adds more fuel to the fire.
BeyondGeography
(39,346 posts)ck4829
(35,038 posts)aikoaiko
(34,162 posts)OldRed2450
(710 posts)It could be that I am wrong here but her past words and actions are weighed here.
1. She tweeted: Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel.
2.She insinuated support for Israel among US lawmakers is all about the Benjamins.
3.She told an audience in D.C. that I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is O.K. to push for allegiance to a foreign country.
4. She oddly supports Erdogan by voting against sanctions on Turkey, talking about a debate on academic consensus as to why she voted 'present' on a bill to acknowledge Armenian Genocide.
If I'm wrong, I am wrong but don't insinuate that I am a bigot.
aikoaiko
(34,162 posts)I didn't know you agreed, but so be it.
Cooperman is a billionaire supporting a billionaire.
That's how I took the comment.
OldRed2450
(710 posts)But I'm skeptical given her past comments and votes. Not because I am racist.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)two are about Israeli and u.s. leadership. no. 4 i need to educate myself on but im sure it's not bc she supports erdogan
LAS14
(13,769 posts)I've skimmed this thread, searched on Google and Twitter. I see lots of things talking ABOUT what she said. But I don't know what she said. Can someone help?
Hav
(5,969 posts)That was her whole message in response to a tweet reporting that a billionaire supports a fellow billionaire.
Some interpreted it as her insinuating that a jew is supporting another jew, others are countering it's about billionaires supporting each other.
Personally, with the uncertainty and lack of clear evidence, I'm certainly not accusing someone of being anti-semitic for such a tweet and I find that rather irresponsible.
LAS14
(13,769 posts)I agree with you.
Skittles
(153,111 posts)she knows she will be judged by such ambiguous statements, fairly or unfairly.....why does she she help feed the speculation
ck4829
(35,038 posts)Sounds to me like the problem is with those making the judgment.
Skittles
(153,111 posts)they're not mutually exclusive
empedocles
(15,751 posts)ck4829
(35,038 posts)We've got a party that makes up conspiracy theories about George Soros up and down the street, a President and evangelical supporters who talk about "globalists who run media, finance, and politics behind the scenes with the deep state", and a right wing that runs with conspiracy theories that the "globalists" and "cosmopolitans" are bringing in immigrants to replace white people...
And almost nobody says anything about it.
Rep Ilhan Omar says three words. And we get this.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)get this woman killed.
Celerity
(43,096 posts)posting RWers on subjects that have nothing to do with Rump.
VOX
(22,976 posts)There is NO bottom for MAGATs. None.
Lunabell
(6,046 posts)No anti semitic dog whistle. It was an anti billionaire poke in the eye.
catrose
(5,059 posts)Both on Elizabeth Warren's billionaire tax calculator.
DeminPennswoods
(15,265 posts)nt
Iggo
(47,534 posts)NCLefty
(3,678 posts)Lexblues
(180 posts)All of her controversies are cause of tweets. She needs to have a staffer run her Twitter so it can be filtered by someone or she should stay off of it.
ck4829
(35,038 posts)We'll go back to "George Soros" and "globalists" from right wingers and nobody's going to bat an eye over it.
OldRed2450
(710 posts)and it's a piss poor excuse.
ck4829
(35,038 posts)It's just sad that because she's black, a female, Somali, immigrant, a Democrat, a Muslim; that the bar for a statement that goes too far is lower for her... and apparently that bar has now reached ridiculous levels.
Well, I believe in equality. And I'm not going to stop believing in equal treatment and that equality. Call me when she screams about " cosmopolitans" and "cultural Marxists" conspiring against her then I will overtly declare that I no longer see this as the stretching that it is.
OldRed2450
(710 posts)could get Jews killed? I do. We're not going to agree on this issue. It's not just this statement by her.. It's many that include her voting history.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)tritsofme
(17,370 posts)Nor does she seem to have learned anything from her previous use of anti-Semitic dog whistles. I still hope she draws a strong primary challenger.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)don't "go there".
ecstatic
(32,648 posts)I didn't even know (nor do I care) about Bloomberg's religion/heritage. If anything, she would be thinking of him as a white rich guy.
Celerity
(43,096 posts)shameful and so transparent