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Donny Deutsch says Medicare for All would turn America into f***ing Denmark. Danish Millionaire shreds him with facts.
Donny Deutsch is worried that Medicare for All will turn America into f***ing Denmark. A Danish Millionaire clapped back and absolutely shredded him with facts.
Deutsch, who has been running his daddys advertising firm since 1989, was a guest on the Bill Maher show where he complained about Medicare for All:
Link to tweet
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In f***ing Denmark, we spend almost half as much per capita on healthcare as the United States. Despite our lower levels of spending, our life expectancy is higher, our infant mortality is lower, and our overall health is much better than the United States. In f***ing Denmark, we deliver high-quality, universal healthcare to each and every citizen, unlike in the United States, which offers for profit consumer choice system that leaves millions of your people choosing to be uninsured and hundred of thousands of others choosing to be both insured and bankrupt.
(Denmark spends a little over $5,000 per person while in the U.S the amount is $10,209. Average life expectancy in Denmark is 80.7 years, while those in the United States average about 78 years and 7 months. Infant mortality rate in Denmark is 3.8 deaths per 1,000 births. U.S. is 5.8 deaths per 1,000 births.)
He doesnt stop there however, Shalchi also talks about how Denmark and its social programs allowed him to become the success that he is today:
You say that your family worked hard to put you in your position so did mine. I was born in Iran in 1961. My family moved to f***ing Denmark when I was a child, after a series of rejected immigration applications, forced separations, and the turmoil in my birth country pushed my family to our limits. I finished my education here, married a beautiful Danish girl and had two amazing children, and built my fortune as a self-employed entrepreneur. I am now a multi-millionaire like you!
While your good fortune began with your fathers success, I credit my good fortune to f***ing Denmark and its robust, inclusive social system that values equality and opportunity for everyone. Unlike the United States, my country has embraced an advanced social tax system that requires people like me to pay substantial and increasingly progressive levels of tax. The people of f***ing Denmark use these funds to invest in the people of f***ing Denmark. Our tax revenues give everyone health care, education and a strong social support system, among other things.
Read the rest at https://www.frontpagelive.com/2019/11/01/donny-deutsch-says-medicare-for-all-would-turn-americans-into-fing-denmark-danish-millionaire-shreds-him-with-facts/
tenderfoot
(8,425 posts)Such a great reply.
malthaussen
(17,183 posts)We in the US tend to underestimate how much of a thrill the wealthier of us get seeing people suffer.
-- Mal
blm
(113,039 posts)Respect.
malaise
(268,856 posts)Big sis and her family love their beloved Denmark
Roy Rolling
(6,911 posts)My wife and family are from Denmark. Her Dad was stranded at sea in a Danish training ship when Hitler invaded Denmark. The ship sailed to America and joined the allies in their fight against the Axis powers and specifically Germany.
Danes are wonderful people, and we could do a lot worse than imitate Denmark.
malaise
(268,856 posts);hi:
Fritz Walter
(4,291 posts)...and especially the Danes.
Roy Rolling
(6,911 posts)Totally agree!
PJMcK
(22,025 posts)In reality, he's as much a douchebag as many of the 1%.
His opinions don't impress me. He does however, occasionally come up with a soundbite that somehow makes him palatable to those on the Left.
Don't be fooled by people like Deutsch, Bill Kristol or Rick Wilson. Never forget where they really come from.
erronis
(15,219 posts)They are opportunists.
I have a bit more respect for Wilson who has laid a lot on the line.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,013 posts)uponit7771
(90,329 posts)JHB
(37,158 posts)ancianita
(36,014 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)...he inherited it and is obviously still an entitled douchebag.
Docreed2003
(16,855 posts)dhill926
(16,334 posts)little DD sounds like quite an asshole...
brush
(53,759 posts)insurance, they go wih whatever their employer offers.
He said his grandfather was a cop. Well cops don't buy their own, they get what the city or their union offers so what's he talking about?
Me.
(35,454 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)trof
(54,256 posts)Bettie
(16,083 posts)being more like Denmark.
renate
(13,776 posts)I got to go on a city tour of Copenhagen a few years ago and the guide was so proud of the social and income equality (relative) and of the quality of life and the social cohesiveness that came from their "we're all in this together" mindset.
She seemed truly happy, not jingoistically happy, to be Danish.
Harker
(14,008 posts)learn a thing or two.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)Universal Health Care can buy their own private insurance. That is what happens in the UK.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,309 posts)Private insurance will likely be around for quite a while, during the transition. During that time, it will dilute the bargaining power of single-payer and continue adding profit and extra overhead (flashy skyscrapers, advertising, exec perks, dividends, etc) to actual health care costs.
renate
(13,776 posts)is an art form for me at times.
Martin Eden
(12,862 posts)Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)Deutsch needs an operation to get Salchis boot out of his ass. Epic!
Wawannabe
(5,641 posts)Lol!
Faux pas
(14,657 posts)up donny. You're a branding "expert" not any kind of political one for eff sake.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)I would love to be Denmark. Much better than the cesspool we live in.
Celerity
(43,261 posts)hard on immigrants. Sweden (I am living in Stockholm atm) had went too far the opposite way (we took in a jaw-dropping US-population -adjusted equivalent of almost 50 MILLION refugees between 2002 and 2017, and it has caused a tonne of socio-economic issues) and Denmark and Norway and Finland looked on in horror and moved to the right on immigration.
Sweden has started to balance it out now (it took SD (Sverigedemokraterna ie. Sweden Democrats), the far right wing anti-immigrant party being elected into the Riksdag, ie. the Swedish Parliament, to get them to wake up though.) In Denmark (and Finland as well, Norway is the most balanced of all four, although still more harsh than Sweden), the centre-left and centre-right parties coalesced around a much more right-leaning stance in regards to immigrants,and especially refugees. Much of it was due to the electoral success (far beyong SD in Sweden) of the far-right Danish People's Party ie. Dansk Folkeparti, DF. They had a really bad 2019 election, so hopefully the policies are moderated.
In Denmark, Harsh New Laws for Immigrant Ghettos
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/01/world/europe/denmark-immigrant-ghettos.html
COPENHAGEN When Rokhaia Naassan gives birth in the coming days, she and her baby boy will enter a new category in the eyes of Danish law. Because she lives in a low-income immigrant neighborhood described by the government as a ghetto, Rokhaia will be what the Danish newspapers call a ghetto parent and he will be a ghetto child. Starting at the age of 1, ghetto children must be separated from their families for at least 25 hours a week, not including nap time, for mandatory instruction in Danish values, including the traditions of Christmas and Easter, and Danish language. Noncompliance could result in a stoppage of welfare payments. Other Danish citizens are free to choose whether to enroll children in preschool up to the age of six.
Denmarks government is introducing a new set of laws to regulate life in 25 low-income and heavily Muslim enclaves, saying that if families there do not willingly merge into the countrys mainstream, they should be compelled. For decades, integrating immigrants has posed a thorny challenge to the Danish model, intended to serve a small, homogeneous population. Leaders are focusing their ire on urban neighborhoods where immigrants, some of them placed there by the government, live in dense concentrations with high rates of unemployment and gang violence. Politicians description of the ghettos has become increasingly sinister. In his annual New Years speech, Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen warned that ghettos could reach out their tentacles onto the streets by spreading violence, and that because of ghettos, cracks have appeared on the map of Denmark. Politicians who once used the word integration now call frankly for assimilation.
That tough approach is embodied in the ghetto package. Of 22 proposals presented by the government in early March, most have been agreed upon by a parliamentary majority, and more will be subject to a vote in the fall.
Some are punitive: One measure under consideration would allow courts to double the punishment for certain crimes if they are committed in one of the 25 neighborhoods classified as ghettos, based on residents income, employment status, education levels, number of criminal convictions and non-Western background. Another would impose a four-year prison sentence on immigrant parents who force their children to make extended visits to their country of origin described here as re-education trips in that way damaging their schooling, language and well-being. Another would allow local authorities to increase their monitoring and surveillance of ghetto families.
Some proposals have been rejected as too radical, like one from the far-right Danish Peoples Party that would confine ghetto children to their homes after 8 p.m. (Challenged on how this would be enforced, Martin Henriksen, the chairman of Parliaments integration committee, suggested in earnest that young people in these areas could be fitted with electronic ankle bracelets.)
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BlueMTexpat
(15,366 posts)I hope that the nationalist drive will be countermanded, as some other European countries are FINALLY beginning to do. See., e.g., the recent federal elections in Switzerland: https://lenews.ch/2019/10/20/swiss-federal-election-results-2019-winners-and-losers/
From the link:
The biggest gainers compared to the previous election in 2015 were the Green Party (+17) and the Liberal Green Party (+9). The parties losing the most ground were the Swiss Peoples Party (-12), the Swiss Socialist Party (-4), the Liberal Radical Party (PLR/FDP) (-4) and the Christian Democratic Peoples Party (PDC/CVP) (-3). While the Mouvement citoyens genevois (MCG) lost the one seat it had leaving it unrepresented in the federal parliament. [Emphasis mine]
The most significant shift was the Green Party moving into fourth place leapfrogging the Christian Democratic Peoples Party (PDC/CVP). This matters because the Federal Council, Switzerlands 7-member executive, has traditionally drawn members from the main parties, a convention known as the magic formula. Currently there is one Federal Council members from the PDC, a party now in fifth place, and none from the Green Party, now in fourth place.
The percentage of women in the National Council rose from 32% (64 seats) to 42% (84 seats). [Emphasis mine] This is well ahead of the percentages in the UK (32%) and the US (23%). The world average in 2018 was 24%, according to World Bank data.
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As I recall from a visit Mr Blue and I made to Scandinavia this past summer, the percentage of women in the Swedish parliament is also high. Based on the list in this link, Sweden is the fifth-ranked country in this respect. Denmark is 26th. The top four may surprise some.
http://archive.ipu.org/wmn-e/classif.htm
soldierant
(6,836 posts)to music, art, and literature. But it makes for truly terrible politics.
And even in music, art, and literature, it's not perfect by a long shot.
JudyM
(29,225 posts)Celerity
(43,261 posts)level of immigration from the Islamic world and increased mor in terms of a percentage than anyother type. Racist hate crimes still make up the vast majority however.
Hate crimes increase in Sweden: Here's a breakdown of the stats
We had an extraordinarily success rate of taking in and integrating refugees for decades (often coming from US started wars and coups d'état such as Iran in 1953 (Operation Ajax where Mohammad Mosaddegh was overthrown and Shah Reza Phlavi installed) and Chile in 1973 when Salvador Allende was overthrown and murdered. There were 2 main differences between the previous influxes and the ones that have taken place over the past 20 years (especially the last 16 or 17 or so.)
The first is obviously the scale. One can but imagine the social upheaval that would have occurred in the US if it had taken in around 50 million or so refugees since the turn of the millennium. In the past here, the numbers were far, far smaller, and there was often longer periods of time between the flows, during which the country was able to more or less (nothing is perfect obviously) successfully absorb and integrate the newcomers. The last 15 or 20 years has not been the case. The system has been overwhelmed, with multiple shocks to the system, ofttimes with partial breakdown results and socio-cultural, socio-economic negative inflection points. This has now extended to the political sphere with the rise of the far right hyper nationalist Sweden Democrats Party (SD). They have, on occasion polled as high as 30% or so, although they had unexpectedly poor (but still by far their all-time high of 17.53%, but they were expected to hit 25 to 27%) in the 2018 elections.
The second main difference has been the socio-economic typology difference between previous groups and the groups of the past 20 or so years. Afar greater percent in the early flows were from a much higher socio-economic class, with many of them (but NOT all) power elites and bourgeoisie who simple were on the losing side in the coups and wars. They brought, in many cases, multiple generations (in the case of some, literally hundreds of years) of familial and social set success in terms of business and political outcomes. They were able to much more quickly adapt and thrive within the Swedish overall zeitgeist.
This has not been the case with the vast majority of the refugees over the past 15 to 20 years. They have arrived here with decades of war/conflict shattered family lives, and very little long term histories (compared to the previous waves) of social and economic successes. Sweden has been, post WWII, always amongst the most equal nations (often number 1) for decades in terms of wealth equality (the number one overarching statistic in determining the overall well being of nation-state) as well as upward social mobility. The Nordic nations have long ago surpassed the US in terms of social mobility. In fact, the the US has a large social mobility (especially in terms of income elasticity) problem, in some measures only superseded by the UK when it comes to other western nations.
This in now changing in Sweden as we are seeing a pretty substantial downturn now in both our wealth equality (GINI coefficient) as well as social mobility, much of it due to the rise (for the first time in ages) of a much more entrenched semi-permanent (trending towards permanency, unfortunately, although this CAN be addressed and is a major focus of mine atm) underclass, often correlated with the huge influx of refugee and other types of lower socioeconomic immigration. I am positive that given time we can overcome all these major structural issues, but is is so not going to be a smooth ride. It is so important that we do work on it and work on it successfully, as SD is now once again polling much highers than they have any right to. I am so glad we are far more tolerant than Denmark and Finland have become (and Norway to a lesser extent) but we simply cannot take in another wave of around 1.5 million refugees over the next 10, 15 or so years.
We at present only have 10.1 million people here and we are are now more diverse than the US itself in terms of population percentage of non European foreign born and their first 2 gens (some studies show we are approaching 27, 28, even 30%.) IF Rump starts a ME-wide major war (Iran, Syria, etc etc etc) and we were to take in another 1.5 million, the results will be extremely deleterious at a multiplicity of levels. Imagine the US taking in (from 2000 to 2030) close to 100 million refugees from the most war-torn parts of the world, the vast, vast majority coming from basically ZERO traditions of a pluralist western democratic society, and the vast majority following a religion that is not at all judeo-christian or secular atheist/agnostic in orientation. As bad as it can get here, THAT would cause America to explode, unfortunately.
JudyM
(29,225 posts)Thank you for taking the time to offer that useful perspective.
The ramifications of these unending wars for profit are tearing away at the fabric of our humanity and great cultures. World peace doesnt weigh heavily enough in the decision-making mix.
This would make a wonderful OP, independently.
BannonsLiver
(16,352 posts)I know whenever I spend time Europe which is at least 2-3 times a year the contrasts between just how fucking crazy we are and their relative sanity become more and more stark with each passing visit. That being said Id prefer Sweden as a tourist.
Kid Berwyn
(14,859 posts)Not just Putin and the kleptocrats running planet earth.
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)Denmark, how horrible would that be. Happy, long life, security, medical care, education. Oh, the horrors!
Lest anyone misunderstand -------------------------
Bring on the Denmark. Bring-it-on!
Wawannabe
(5,641 posts)Great piece!
Aussie105
(5,366 posts)Deutsch has attitude, bias, no insight, and swear words. The Danish response only has facts. No contest really, you lose Donny!
Only one question:
Does f***ing Denmark accept economic refugees from America?
Just waiting for the day the Statue of Liberty decides to run away from home because no one in America loves her anymore, and moves to Denmark . . .
DBoon
(22,353 posts)Does he want a literal banana republic?
malthaussen
(17,183 posts)... as long as he is assured his spot near the top of the food chain.
-- Mal
IronLionZion
(45,409 posts)sounds pretty sweet to me! let's do it!
NoMoreRepugs
(9,401 posts)Skittles
(153,138 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,408 posts)pansypoo53219
(20,968 posts)care. he was no bankrupt + lots of post care when he got out. he did not drive & would provide a taxi to get home. he visited USA + got sick from plane air & spent a few days in a new york hospital. DK paid for the stay in NY + for his vacation time he lost.
moondust
(19,971 posts)How ya supposed to become a trillionaire if ya gotta pay taxes and help provide for the common good?
roamer65
(36,745 posts)One the better pharma companies.
I bet the Danish health system has better outcomes than the United States.
ritapria
(1,812 posts)They believe God entitled them their riches and the rest of us , the peasants, must settle for the crumbs they hand out to us ..
yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)democrank
(11,092 posts)NCLefty
(3,678 posts)HAB911
(8,873 posts)but he's still a fucking Republican and will always be responsible for the monster he created
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)To the fux watching idiots of amurka.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Slightly lower corporate tax rate, and they have a much more streamlined regulatory system, which is why they have more small business starts than we do. It's infuriating.
oldsoftie
(12,516 posts)Other than the cold, it'd be a neat place to live i think. There's a LOT to like about Denmark
oldsoftie
(12,516 posts)Which could be a huge part of funding what we want HERE & taxing MASSIVE amounts of untaxed income, but for all the doom-and-gloomers.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,430 posts)The US is a rabid hotbed of income inequality, poverty, and divided hatred, and far lower taxes for the wealthy. But, oh, if you're poor and you need health care, go find it. If you have a little bit of money and you don't qualify as dirt poor, then you're worse off because you lean right into bankruptcy because you can't pay your medical bills.
oldsoftie
(12,516 posts)You could also exempt the poor from paying much of a VAT.
JudyM
(29,225 posts)among other things.
Our tax revenues give oil, tobacco, big Ag (etc) corporations and the military industrial complex their entitlements.
malthaussen
(17,183 posts)Most of us would be rather better off.
-- Mal
Mersky
(4,980 posts)The U.S. could learn a thing or two from Denmark.
Texin
(2,594 posts)area51
(11,902 posts)sammythecat
(3,568 posts)quite the accomplished intellectual, yet he can't, or far more likely, refuses to realize the overwhelming role good luck has had in his life. And his stupid assumption of the inferiority of Danish society shows an ignorance on the level of being flat out uneducated.
Raster
(20,998 posts)Glaisne
(515 posts)what a fucking maroon.
Sogo
(4,986 posts)that makes M4A so compelling, it can withstand the cries of "socialism," "how ya gonna pay for it," and "but my private insurance."
The Wizard
(12,541 posts)We spend far too much to line the pockets of corporate executives at the expense of the working class. We spend more and get less. That's just a foolish waste of resources.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Progressive dog
(6,900 posts)https://www.sum.dk/English/~/media/Filer%20-%20Publikationer_i_pdf/2016/Healthcare-in-dk-16-dec/Healthcare-english-V16-dec.ashx
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)They deliberately do not say that one of the main principles of business it that you make money by spending money.
A well run government spends taxpayer money to support taxpayers so they can be productive and earn greater prosperity and enjoy life more. Good government spends on:
* Education so people have skills and wisdom (understanding) to be really productive.
* Health care so that illness is prevented, alleviated quickly, and people can spend more time gaining prosperity.
* Environment so that people are not debilitated by pollution.
* Consumer protection so that people don't have their life savings taken by crooks.
* Productive infrastructure such as public transportation for efficient movement of goods and services and people.
When you invest in the well-being of the People of the USA, the country remains competitive and a great place to live.
Also:
Raise taxes and lower spending when the economy is good.
Lower taxes and raise spending when the economy is bad and needs stimulus.
Democrats know this, but Republicons are aways on about lowering taxes no matter what, so they therefore spend up huge deficits.
BannonsLiver
(16,352 posts)He is a wealthy entitled asshole with an I got mine so fuck everyone else GOP sensibility. I guess we can add uninformed nationalist fear mongering dope to his list of qualities as well. Fuck Donny Douche.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Scare tactics about so called Medicare For All are so lame and misguided. However due to rampant misdirection and such they achieve traction, as so many who would most benefit from it are convinced to oppose it.
As for taxing the filthy rich we did it from FDR through Democrats and Republicans till Reagan who slashed it by half and it has stayed around there since....as the rich get richer and the middle class and lower class struggle....as politicians convince them to carry water for multi millionaires and billionaires.
Again the top marginal personal rate was 91 or 92% every year Dwight Eisenhower, a Republican, was in Office.