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Tom Yossarian Joad

(19,227 posts)
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 08:59 PM Nov 2019

Donny Deutsch says Medicare for All would turn America into 'f***ing Denmark.' Danish Millionaire sh

Donny Deutsch says Medicare for All would turn America into ‘f***ing Denmark.’ Danish Millionaire shreds him with facts.

Donny Deutsch is worried that Medicare for All will turn America into “f***ing Denmark.” A Danish Millionaire clapped back and absolutely shredded him with facts.

Deutsch, who has been running his daddy’s advertising firm since 1989, was a guest on the Bill Maher show where he complained about Medicare for All:




<snip>

“In f***ing Denmark, we spend almost half as much per capita on healthcare as the United States. Despite our lower levels of spending, our life expectancy is higher, our infant mortality is lower, and our overall health is much better than the United States. In f***ing Denmark, we deliver high-quality, universal healthcare to each and every citizen, unlike in the United States, which offers for profit ‘consumer choice’ system that leaves millions of your people ‘choosing’ to be uninsured and hundred of thousands of others ‘choosing’ to be both insured and bankrupt.”

(Denmark spends a little over $5,000 per person while in the U.S the amount is $10,209. Average life expectancy in Denmark is 80.7 years, while those in the United States average about 78 years and 7 months. Infant mortality rate in Denmark is 3.8 deaths per 1,000 births. U.S. is 5.8 deaths per 1,000 births.)

He doesn’t stop there however, Shalchi also talks about how Denmark and its social programs allowed him to become the success that he is today:

“You say that your family worked hard to put you in your position — so did mine. I was born in Iran in 1961. My family moved to f***ing Denmark when I was a child, after a series of rejected immigration applications, forced separations, and the turmoil in my birth country pushed my family to our limits. I finished my education here, married a beautiful Danish girl and had two amazing children, and built my fortune as a self-employed entrepreneur. I am now a multi-millionaire like you!

While your good fortune began with your father’s success, I credit my good fortune to f***ing Denmark and its robust, inclusive social system that values equality and opportunity for everyone. Unlike the United States, my country has embraced an advanced social tax system that requires people like me to pay substantial and increasingly “progressive” levels of tax. The people of f***ing Denmark use these funds to invest in the people of f***ing Denmark. Our tax revenues give everyone health care, education and a strong social support system, among other things.”

Read the rest at https://www.frontpagelive.com/2019/11/01/donny-deutsch-says-medicare-for-all-would-turn-americans-into-fing-denmark-danish-millionaire-shreds-him-with-facts/
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Donny Deutsch says Medicare for All would turn America into 'f***ing Denmark.' Danish Millionaire sh (Original Post) Tom Yossarian Joad Nov 2019 OP
"If I can't buy something the poors can't, how will I know I'm better than them!?" tenderfoot Nov 2019 #1
Yes, that's exactly the point. malthaussen Nov 2019 #57
Well said, sir. blm Nov 2019 #2
Great reply malaise Nov 2019 #3
Great country Roy Rolling Nov 2019 #18
Those I know are wonderful people malaise Nov 2019 #40
Jeg elsker f***ing Danmark! Fritz Walter Nov 2019 #45
I married one! Roy Rolling Nov 2019 #69
Donny Deutsch only gets credit for being a critic of Trump PJMcK Nov 2019 #4
+1000 tenderfoot Nov 2019 #7
✔️ blm Nov 2019 #8
"Never forget where they really come from" and where they will return when opportune erronis Nov 2019 #20
THIS! NRaleighLiberal Nov 2019 #25
+1, and they'll go right back to it once Trump is out of office uponit7771 Nov 2019 #43
Exactly. They've all spent their careers turning the GOP into what it is today. JHB Nov 2019 #63
Abso-fuckin'-lutely. ancianita Nov 2019 #66
I could not agree more. Douchebag Donnie is another that didn't make his money.... Raster Nov 2019 #73
"My parents worked really hard for their fortune...eff the rest of you lazy people" Docreed2003 Nov 2019 #5
Yup. KPN Nov 2019 #62
K & R...to infinity... dhill926 Nov 2019 #6
Deutsch should know better. Most people don't buy their own... brush Nov 2019 #9
Donnie "I Inherited My Money & Business Just Like The Traitor Did" Deutch Me. Nov 2019 #10
Denmark would be OK with me. Hoyt Nov 2019 #11
I think that's f**king Denmark. trof Nov 2019 #78
I'd be happy with the US Bettie Nov 2019 #12
OMG becoming more like Denmark sounds like heaven! renate Nov 2019 #13
The "America first'' crowd could Harker Nov 2019 #15
Anyone not wanting to join Scarsdale Nov 2019 #31
that increases the overall health care costs Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #48
I think that could be said about any topic in any context nt renate Nov 2019 #38
Banality Harker Nov 2019 #64
F***ing A man, f***ing A!!! Martin Eden Nov 2019 #14
Most severe burn I've seen in a while Dirty Socialist Nov 2019 #16
I agree - you Dirty Socialist! Wawannabe Nov 2019 #24
Shut Faux pas Nov 2019 #17
Denmark is the happiest country on Earth. OliverQ Nov 2019 #19
I think most here would prefer Sweden, Denmark is far more nationalist and is really cracking down Celerity Nov 2019 #28
Thanks for your post. BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #39
Nationalism is not too terrible as long as it's limited soldierant Nov 2019 #81
Sweden's hate crimes are rising dramatically, unfortunately. JudyM Nov 2019 #53
yes, including anti-Semitic hate crimes, which is linked to a large degree with the massive Celerity Nov 2019 #68
Interesting, Celerity! JudyM Nov 2019 #83
Meh still preferable to this shitbox BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #80
They use the power of government to make life better for all. Kid Berwyn Nov 2019 #21
OMG! warmfeet Nov 2019 #22
Wow Wawannabe Nov 2019 #23
Quite a clear picture there. Aussie105 Nov 2019 #26
Does he want "F***ing Honduras" instead? DBoon Nov 2019 #27
Really! oldsoftie Nov 2019 #51
No, he really wants fucking Haiti... malthaussen Nov 2019 #59
You got me at "We're fucking Denmark" IronLionZion Nov 2019 #29
Douchebag Deutsch and his opinions can go pound salt. NoMoreRepugs Nov 2019 #30
what an arrogant asshole Skittles Nov 2019 #32
OMG! This guy rocks it. Joinfortmill Nov 2019 #33
i knew an older danish man. he gotcar + he had asthma + pneumonia. spent weeks in inesive pansypoo53219 Nov 2019 #34
Well yeah. moondust Nov 2019 #35
Denmark is the home of Lundbeck. roamer65 Nov 2019 #36
This is the mindset of the ruling class ritapria Nov 2019 #37
It's odd, yortsed snacilbuper Nov 2019 #41
Recommended democrank Nov 2019 #42
He's a total deutsch bag. NCLefty Nov 2019 #44
Perfect example of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" HAB911 Nov 2019 #46
A million recs and copies special delivered BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2019 #47
And Denmark is more "business friendly" than the US Recursion Nov 2019 #49
I can think of a lot WORSE things than being like Denmark. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #50
And for all those cheering Denmark, they also have a 25% VAT. You're welcome. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #52
For a relatively contented population, such as Denmark, the VAT is worth it. Eyeball_Kid Nov 2019 #55
And the poor would be covered under a new healthcare system. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #56
"Our tax revenues give everyone health care, education and a strong social support system, ... JudyM Nov 2019 #54
Would that the US would turn into "fucking Denmark." malthaussen Nov 2019 #58
I f***ing love his response Mersky Nov 2019 #60
Hoo boy. I need to move to Denmark. Texin Nov 2019 #61
Bravo. area51 Nov 2019 #65
No doubt, Donny considers himself sammythecat Nov 2019 #67
Born on third base and thinks he hit a triple to get there. Raster Nov 2019 #74
As if turning America into Denmark is a bad thing Glaisne Nov 2019 #70
Dems better get to work and produce a bumpersticker Sogo Nov 2019 #71
The botom line is The Wizard Nov 2019 #72
K&R Sherman A1 Nov 2019 #75
Some data from Denmark ministry of health Progressive dog Nov 2019 #76
Investing in the people is what real governments do. But not kakistocracies & kleptocracies Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2019 #77
Donny Douche is NOT ON OUR SIDE. BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #79
Truth colsohlibgal Nov 2019 #82

malthaussen

(17,183 posts)
57. Yes, that's exactly the point.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 11:19 AM
Nov 2019

We in the US tend to underestimate how much of a thrill the wealthier of us get seeing people suffer.

-- Mal

Roy Rolling

(6,911 posts)
18. Great country
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:09 PM
Nov 2019

My wife and family are from Denmark. Her Dad was stranded at sea in a Danish training ship when Hitler invaded Denmark. The ship sailed to America and joined the allies in their fight against the Axis powers and specifically Germany.

Danes are wonderful people, and we could do a lot worse than imitate Denmark.

PJMcK

(22,025 posts)
4. Donny Deutsch only gets credit for being a critic of Trump
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:15 PM
Nov 2019

In reality, he's as much a douchebag as many of the 1%.

His opinions don't impress me. He does however, occasionally come up with a soundbite that somehow makes him palatable to those on the Left.

Don't be fooled by people like Deutsch, Bill Kristol or Rick Wilson. Never forget where they really come from.

erronis

(15,219 posts)
20. "Never forget where they really come from" and where they will return when opportune
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:18 PM
Nov 2019

They are opportunists.

I have a bit more respect for Wilson who has laid a lot on the line.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
73. I could not agree more. Douchebag Donnie is another that didn't make his money....
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 04:22 PM
Nov 2019

...he inherited it and is obviously still an entitled douchebag.

brush

(53,759 posts)
9. Deutsch should know better. Most people don't buy their own...
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:34 PM
Nov 2019

insurance, they go wih whatever their employer offers.

He said his grandfather was a cop. Well cops don't buy their own, they get what the city or their union offers so what's he talking about?

renate

(13,776 posts)
13. OMG becoming more like Denmark sounds like heaven!
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:53 PM
Nov 2019

I got to go on a city tour of Copenhagen a few years ago and the guide was so proud of the social and income equality (relative) and of the quality of life and the social cohesiveness that came from their "we're all in this together" mindset.

She seemed truly happy, not jingoistically happy, to be Danish.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
31. Anyone not wanting to join
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:23 PM
Nov 2019

Universal Health Care can buy their own private insurance. That is what happens in the UK.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,309 posts)
48. that increases the overall health care costs
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 10:11 AM
Nov 2019

Private insurance will likely be around for quite a while, during the transition. During that time, it will dilute the bargaining power of single-payer and continue adding profit and extra overhead (flashy skyscrapers, advertising, exec perks, dividends, etc) to actual health care costs.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
19. Denmark is the happiest country on Earth.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:09 PM
Nov 2019

I would love to be Denmark. Much better than the cesspool we live in.

Celerity

(43,261 posts)
28. I think most here would prefer Sweden, Denmark is far more nationalist and is really cracking down
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:56 PM
Nov 2019

hard on immigrants. Sweden (I am living in Stockholm atm) had went too far the opposite way (we took in a jaw-dropping US-population -adjusted equivalent of almost 50 MILLION refugees between 2002 and 2017, and it has caused a tonne of socio-economic issues) and Denmark and Norway and Finland looked on in horror and moved to the right on immigration.

Sweden has started to balance it out now (it took SD (Sverigedemokraterna ie. Sweden Democrats), the far right wing anti-immigrant party being elected into the Riksdag, ie. the Swedish Parliament, to get them to wake up though.) In Denmark (and Finland as well, Norway is the most balanced of all four, although still more harsh than Sweden), the centre-left and centre-right parties coalesced around a much more right-leaning stance in regards to immigrants,and especially refugees. Much of it was due to the electoral success (far beyong SD in Sweden) of the far-right Danish People's Party ie. Dansk Folkeparti, DF. They had a really bad 2019 election, so hopefully the policies are moderated.


In Denmark, Harsh New Laws for Immigrant ‘Ghettos’

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/01/world/europe/denmark-immigrant-ghettos.html



COPENHAGEN — When Rokhaia Naassan gives birth in the coming days, she and her baby boy will enter a new category in the eyes of Danish law. Because she lives in a low-income immigrant neighborhood described by the government as a “ghetto,” Rokhaia will be what the Danish newspapers call a “ghetto parent” and he will be a “ghetto child.” Starting at the age of 1, “ghetto children” must be separated from their families for at least 25 hours a week, not including nap time, for mandatory instruction in “Danish values,” including the traditions of Christmas and Easter, and Danish language. Noncompliance could result in a stoppage of welfare payments. Other Danish citizens are free to choose whether to enroll children in preschool up to the age of six.

Denmark’s government is introducing a new set of laws to regulate life in 25 low-income and heavily Muslim enclaves, saying that if families there do not willingly merge into the country’s mainstream, they should be compelled. For decades, integrating immigrants has posed a thorny challenge to the Danish model, intended to serve a small, homogeneous population. Leaders are focusing their ire on urban neighborhoods where immigrants, some of them placed there by the government, live in dense concentrations with high rates of unemployment and gang violence. Politicians’ description of the ghettos has become increasingly sinister. In his annual New Year’s speech, Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen warned that ghettos could “reach out their tentacles onto the streets” by spreading violence, and that because of ghettos, “cracks have appeared on the map of Denmark.” Politicians who once used the word “integration” now call frankly for “assimilation.”

That tough approach is embodied in the “ghetto package.” Of 22 proposals presented by the government in early March, most have been agreed upon by a parliamentary majority, and more will be subject to a vote in the fall.



Some are punitive: One measure under consideration would allow courts to double the punishment for certain crimes if they are committed in one of the 25 neighborhoods classified as ghettos, based on residents’ income, employment status, education levels, number of criminal convictions and “non-Western background.” Another would impose a four-year prison sentence on immigrant parents who force their children to make extended visits to their country of origin — described here as “re-education trips” —in that way damaging their “schooling, language and well-being.” Another would allow local authorities to increase their monitoring and surveillance of “ghetto” families.

Some proposals have been rejected as too radical, like one from the far-right Danish People’s Party that would confine “ghetto children” to their homes after 8 p.m. (Challenged on how this would be enforced, Martin Henriksen, the chairman of Parliament’s integration committee, suggested in earnest that young people in these areas could be fitted with electronic ankle bracelets.)

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BlueMTexpat

(15,366 posts)
39. Thanks for your post.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 05:13 AM
Nov 2019

I hope that the nationalist drive will be countermanded, as some other European countries are FINALLY beginning to do. See., e.g., the recent federal elections in Switzerland: https://lenews.ch/2019/10/20/swiss-federal-election-results-2019-winners-and-losers/

From the link:

Parties winning the greatest number of seats in the National Council were the Swiss People’s Party (UDC/SVP) – 53 seats (-12), the Swiss Socialists Party (PS/SP) – 39 seats (-4) , the Liberal Radical Party (PLR/FDP) – 29 seats (-4), the Green Party – 28 seats (+17), the Christian Democratic People’s Party (PDC/CVP) – 25 seats (-3) and the Liberal Green Party – 16 seats (+9), according to RTS.

The biggest gainers compared to the previous election in 2015 were the Green Party (+17) and the Liberal Green Party (+9). The parties losing the most ground were the Swiss People’s Party (-12), the Swiss Socialist Party (-4), the Liberal Radical Party (PLR/FDP) (-4) and the Christian Democratic People’s Party (PDC/CVP) (-3). While the Mouvement citoyens genevois (MCG) lost the one seat it had leaving it unrepresented in the federal parliament. [Emphasis mine]

The most significant shift was the Green Party moving into fourth place leapfrogging the Christian Democratic People’s Party (PDC/CVP). This matters because the Federal Council, Switzerland’s 7-member executive, has traditionally drawn members from the main parties, a convention known as the magic formula. Currently there is one Federal Council members from the PDC, a party now in fifth place, and none from the Green Party, now in fourth place.

The percentage of women in the National Council rose from 32% (64 seats) to 42% (84 seats). [Emphasis mine] This is well ahead of the percentages in the UK (32%) and the US (23%). The world average in 2018 was 24%, according to World Bank data.


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As I recall from a visit Mr Blue and I made to Scandinavia this past summer, the percentage of women in the Swedish parliament is also high. Based on the list in this link, Sweden is the fifth-ranked country in this respect. Denmark is 26th. The top four may surprise some.

http://archive.ipu.org/wmn-e/classif.htm

soldierant

(6,836 posts)
81. Nationalism is not too terrible as long as it's limited
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 07:56 PM
Nov 2019

to music, art, and literature. But it makes for truly terrible politics.

And even in music, art, and literature, it's not perfect by a long shot.

Celerity

(43,261 posts)
68. yes, including anti-Semitic hate crimes, which is linked to a large degree with the massive
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 01:10 PM
Nov 2019

level of immigration from the Islamic world and increased mor in terms of a percentage than anyother type. Racist hate crimes still make up the vast majority however.

Hate crimes increase in Sweden: Here's a breakdown of the stats

We had an extraordinarily success rate of taking in and integrating refugees for decades (often coming from US started wars and coups d'état such as Iran in 1953 (Operation Ajax where Mohammad Mosaddegh was overthrown and Shah Reza Phlavi installed) and Chile in 1973 when Salvador Allende was overthrown and murdered. There were 2 main differences between the previous influxes and the ones that have taken place over the past 20 years (especially the last 16 or 17 or so.)

The first is obviously the scale. One can but imagine the social upheaval that would have occurred in the US if it had taken in around 50 million or so refugees since the turn of the millennium. In the past here, the numbers were far, far smaller, and there was often longer periods of time between the flows, during which the country was able to more or less (nothing is perfect obviously) successfully absorb and integrate the newcomers. The last 15 or 20 years has not been the case. The system has been overwhelmed, with multiple shocks to the system, ofttimes with partial breakdown results and socio-cultural, socio-economic negative inflection points. This has now extended to the political sphere with the rise of the far right hyper nationalist Sweden Democrats Party (SD). They have, on occasion polled as high as 30% or so, although they had unexpectedly poor (but still by far their all-time high of 17.53%, but they were expected to hit 25 to 27%) in the 2018 elections.

The second main difference has been the socio-economic typology difference between previous groups and the groups of the past 20 or so years. Afar greater percent in the early flows were from a much higher socio-economic class, with many of them (but NOT all) power elites and bourgeoisie who simple were on the losing side in the coups and wars. They brought, in many cases, multiple generations (in the case of some, literally hundreds of years) of familial and social set success in terms of business and political outcomes. They were able to much more quickly adapt and thrive within the Swedish overall zeitgeist.

This has not been the case with the vast majority of the refugees over the past 15 to 20 years. They have arrived here with decades of war/conflict shattered family lives, and very little long term histories (compared to the previous waves) of social and economic successes. Sweden has been, post WWII, always amongst the most equal nations (often number 1) for decades in terms of wealth equality (the number one overarching statistic in determining the overall well being of nation-state) as well as upward social mobility. The Nordic nations have long ago surpassed the US in terms of social mobility. In fact, the the US has a large social mobility (especially in terms of income elasticity) problem, in some measures only superseded by the UK when it comes to other western nations.

This in now changing in Sweden as we are seeing a pretty substantial downturn now in both our wealth equality (GINI coefficient) as well as social mobility, much of it due to the rise (for the first time in ages) of a much more entrenched semi-permanent (trending towards permanency, unfortunately, although this CAN be addressed and is a major focus of mine atm) underclass, often correlated with the huge influx of refugee and other types of lower socioeconomic immigration. I am positive that given time we can overcome all these major structural issues, but is is so not going to be a smooth ride. It is so important that we do work on it and work on it successfully, as SD is now once again polling much highers than they have any right to. I am so glad we are far more tolerant than Denmark and Finland have become (and Norway to a lesser extent) but we simply cannot take in another wave of around 1.5 million refugees over the next 10, 15 or so years.

We at present only have 10.1 million people here and we are are now more diverse than the US itself in terms of population percentage of non European foreign born and their first 2 gens (some studies show we are approaching 27, 28, even 30%.) IF Rump starts a ME-wide major war (Iran, Syria, etc etc etc) and we were to take in another 1.5 million, the results will be extremely deleterious at a multiplicity of levels. Imagine the US taking in (from 2000 to 2030) close to 100 million refugees from the most war-torn parts of the world, the vast, vast majority coming from basically ZERO traditions of a pluralist western democratic society, and the vast majority following a religion that is not at all judeo-christian or secular atheist/agnostic in orientation. As bad as it can get here, THAT would cause America to explode, unfortunately.

JudyM

(29,225 posts)
83. Interesting, Celerity!
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 08:14 AM
Nov 2019

Thank you for taking the time to offer that useful perspective.

The ramifications of these unending wars for profit are tearing away at the fabric of our humanity and great cultures. World peace doesn’t weigh heavily enough in the decision-making mix.

This would make a wonderful OP, independently.

BannonsLiver

(16,352 posts)
80. Meh still preferable to this shitbox
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 07:28 PM
Nov 2019

I know whenever I spend time Europe which is at least 2-3 times a year the contrasts between just how fucking crazy we are and their relative sanity become more and more stark with each passing visit. That being said I’d prefer Sweden as a tourist.

Kid Berwyn

(14,859 posts)
21. They use the power of government to make life better for all.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:33 PM
Nov 2019

Not just Putin and the kleptocrats running planet earth.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
22. OMG!
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:33 PM
Nov 2019

Denmark, how horrible would that be. Happy, long life, security, medical care, education. Oh, the horrors!

Lest anyone misunderstand -------------------------




Bring on the Denmark. Bring-it-on!

Aussie105

(5,366 posts)
26. Quite a clear picture there.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:44 PM
Nov 2019

Deutsch has attitude, bias, no insight, and swear words. The Danish response only has facts. No contest really, you lose Donny!

Only one question:
Does f***ing Denmark accept economic refugees from America?

Just waiting for the day the Statue of Liberty decides to run away from home because no one in America loves her anymore, and moves to Denmark . . .

malthaussen

(17,183 posts)
59. No, he really wants fucking Haiti...
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 11:22 AM
Nov 2019

... as long as he is assured his spot near the top of the food chain.

-- Mal

pansypoo53219

(20,968 posts)
34. i knew an older danish man. he gotcar + he had asthma + pneumonia. spent weeks in inesive
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:33 PM
Nov 2019

care. he was no bankrupt + lots of post care when he got out. he did not drive & would provide a taxi to get home. he visited USA + got sick from plane air & spent a few days in a new york hospital. DK paid for the stay in NY + for his vacation time he lost.

moondust

(19,971 posts)
35. Well yeah.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:43 PM
Nov 2019

How ya supposed to become a trillionaire if ya gotta pay taxes and help provide for the common good?

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
36. Denmark is the home of Lundbeck.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:48 PM
Nov 2019

One the better pharma companies.

I bet the Danish health system has better outcomes than the United States.

 

ritapria

(1,812 posts)
37. This is the mindset of the ruling class
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:25 AM
Nov 2019

They believe God entitled them their riches and the rest of us , the peasants, must settle for the crumbs they hand out to us ……..

HAB911

(8,873 posts)
46. Perfect example of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 08:44 AM
Nov 2019

but he's still a fucking Republican and will always be responsible for the monster he created

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
49. And Denmark is more "business friendly" than the US
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 10:21 AM
Nov 2019

Slightly lower corporate tax rate, and they have a much more streamlined regulatory system, which is why they have more small business starts than we do. It's infuriating.

oldsoftie

(12,516 posts)
50. I can think of a lot WORSE things than being like Denmark.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 10:23 AM
Nov 2019

Other than the cold, it'd be a neat place to live i think. There's a LOT to like about Denmark

oldsoftie

(12,516 posts)
52. And for all those cheering Denmark, they also have a 25% VAT. You're welcome.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 10:30 AM
Nov 2019

Which could be a huge part of funding what we want HERE & taxing MASSIVE amounts of untaxed income, but for all the doom-and-gloomers.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,430 posts)
55. For a relatively contented population, such as Denmark, the VAT is worth it.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 10:41 AM
Nov 2019

The US is a rabid hotbed of income inequality, poverty, and divided hatred, and far lower taxes for the wealthy. But, oh, if you're poor and you need health care, go find it. If you have a little bit of money and you don't qualify as dirt poor, then you're worse off because you lean right into bankruptcy because you can't pay your medical bills.

oldsoftie

(12,516 posts)
56. And the poor would be covered under a new healthcare system.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 10:46 AM
Nov 2019

You could also exempt the poor from paying much of a VAT.

JudyM

(29,225 posts)
54. "Our tax revenues give everyone health care, education and a strong social support system, ...
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 10:38 AM
Nov 2019

among other things.”

Our tax revenues give oil, tobacco, big Ag (etc) corporations and the military industrial complex their entitlements.

sammythecat

(3,568 posts)
67. No doubt, Donny considers himself
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 01:06 PM
Nov 2019

quite the accomplished intellectual, yet he can't, or far more likely, refuses to realize the overwhelming role good luck has had in his life. And his stupid assumption of the inferiority of Danish society shows an ignorance on the level of being flat out uneducated.

Sogo

(4,986 posts)
71. Dems better get to work and produce a bumpersticker
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 01:52 PM
Nov 2019

that makes M4A so compelling, it can withstand the cries of "socialism," "how ya gonna pay for it," and "but my private insurance."

The Wizard

(12,541 posts)
72. The botom line is
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 02:05 PM
Nov 2019

We spend far too much to line the pockets of corporate executives at the expense of the working class. We spend more and get less. That's just a foolish waste of resources.

Progressive dog

(6,900 posts)
76. Some data from Denmark ministry of health
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 06:58 PM
Nov 2019
Financing In general, all health and social services are financed by general taxesand are supported by a system of central government block grants, reimbursements and equalization schemes. Approximately 84 percent of healthcare expenditure is publicly financed (2015). The remaining 16 percent are financed primarily through patient co-payments. Public expenditure on healthcare accountsfor 30 percent of total public expenditures (EUR 20.7 billion). In 2014, the Danish healthcareexpenditure amountedto 10.6 percent of GDP, which is more than the OECD average of 9.0 percent.Public expenditure on elderly care amounted to 2.8 per cent ofGDP in 2014.This figure includes expenditures on services for disabled people and other citizens in need of care

https://www.sum.dk/English/~/media/Filer%20-%20Publikationer_i_pdf/2016/Healthcare-in-dk-16-dec/Healthcare-english-V16-dec.ashx

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
77. Investing in the people is what real governments do. But not kakistocracies & kleptocracies
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 07:04 PM
Nov 2019

They deliberately do not say that one of the main principles of business it that you make money by spending money.

A well run government spends taxpayer money to support taxpayers so they can be productive and earn greater prosperity and enjoy life more. Good government spends on:

* Education so people have skills and wisdom (understanding) to be really productive.
* Health care so that illness is prevented, alleviated quickly, and people can spend more time gaining prosperity.
* Environment so that people are not debilitated by pollution.
* Consumer protection so that people don't have their life savings taken by crooks.
* Productive infrastructure such as public transportation for efficient movement of goods and services and people.

When you invest in the well-being of the People of the USA, the country remains competitive and a great place to live.

Also:
Raise taxes and lower spending when the economy is good.
Lower taxes and raise spending when the economy is bad and needs stimulus.

Democrats know this, but Republicons are aways on about lowering taxes no matter what, so they therefore spend up huge deficits.

BannonsLiver

(16,352 posts)
79. Donny Douche is NOT ON OUR SIDE.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 07:24 PM
Nov 2019

He is a wealthy entitled asshole with an I got mine so fuck everyone else GOP sensibility. I guess we can add uninformed nationalist fear mongering dope to his list of qualities as well. Fuck Donny Douche.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
82. Truth
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 08:30 PM
Nov 2019

Scare tactics about so called Medicare For All are so lame and misguided. However due to rampant misdirection and such they achieve traction, as so many who would most benefit from it are convinced to oppose it.

As for taxing the filthy rich we did it from FDR through Democrats and Republicans till Reagan who slashed it by half and it has stayed around there since....as the rich get richer and the middle class and lower class struggle....as politicians convince them to carry water for multi millionaires and billionaires.

Again the top marginal personal rate was 91 or 92% every year Dwight Eisenhower, a Republican, was in Office.

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