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John Kerry was so unpatriotic. Bill Clinton was a disgrace. Obama hates America. They all have secret plans to subvert your freedoms* including your gun freedoms, but instead of doing them when they take office, they're all planning to do it in their second term, which is not assured (which strikes me as a stupid move; if I had evil plans, I'd do them in my first when I was definitely in office).
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* George W. Bush and his party did more to erode liberties than anyone else in recent memory, specifically with the Patriot Act, indefinite imprisonation, rendering and torture, wiretapping, and so forth. When I was growing up, it was the countries behind the iron curtain you had to be worried about - Russia, East Germany, and so forth. You could enter them and be "disappeared" and end up in the bottom of Lubyanka prison being tortured by the KGB. Instead, in Bush's America, you could be rendered to a place in the mideast where they don't worry as much about civil liberties, or just be out of reach in Gitmo. In 1968, I learned to "duck and cover" in case the Russkies nuked us. In 2002 I was more worried about saying something wrong in the fear culture engendered by George W. Bush.
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(67,498 posts)And I think it'd be hard to repeal something called "The Patriot Act" in the current congressional configuration.
As far as Gitmo, I concede that is a point of failure, IMO, of Obama. I wish he had whatever was needed, balls, congressional support, I don't know, to close it.
Still, under Bush we did lots of renderings in secret CIA planes to obscure places for torture that I believe has stopped in this administration. If not, I would want to take Obama to task for that.
That said, none of this stuff was even contemplated prior to Bushco feeling they had carte blanche post-9/11.