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Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 02:55 PM Oct 2019

Arrest them, for fuck sake ARREST THEM! Do what THEY would do if YOU did it to them!

Last edited Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:42 PM - Edit history (1)

I hope most Americans are FINALLY getting to where I have been for 3 yrs.

MAD AS HELL!

Oh, anyone who doesnt GLADLY SUPPORT

VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO

is on the side of the lawless traitor criminals.


I realize this looks like I am blaming the Democrats, no I am not they and we are just in a no-win situation when an entire political party admits openly the law and constitution means absolutely nothing to them

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Arrest them, for fuck sake ARREST THEM! Do what THEY would do if YOU did it to them! (Original Post) Eliot Rosewater Oct 2019 OP
Calm down sparky... Dennis Donovan Oct 2019 #1
Posts on a message board neither help nor hurt. LanternWaste Oct 2019 #16
You! Dennis Donovan Oct 2019 #19
(snort) jberryhill Oct 2019 #27
...but I applied! Dennis Donovan Oct 2019 #30
I have bad news for you jberryhill Oct 2019 #36
Hey, I'm on the job. TexasTowelie Oct 2019 #45
Bazinga! George II Oct 2019 #53
I like that phrase "DU post critic license" and I know of raccoon Oct 2019 #62
Because of the Speech and Debate Clause, nobody's getting arrested. onenote Oct 2019 #2
What is the Speech and Debate Clause? smirkymonkey Oct 2019 #4
US Constitutution Article I, Section 6. onenote Oct 2019 #7
So if the Democrats did the same thing in the future, they would be treated the same way? smirkymonkey Oct 2019 #22
Would you want it to be interpreted to allow a GOP majority to order the arrest of Democrats? onenote Oct 2019 #23
If Democrats broke the law, I would expect them to be arrested, but Democrats don't pull smirkymonkey Oct 2019 #25
Agreed. Putting aside legalistic gymnastics as used by some, MarcA Oct 2019 #28
Maybe you've forgotten about the sit-in by Democrats in 2016 onenote Oct 2019 #29
Memories around here are short jberryhill Oct 2019 #33
I don't think these two situations are exactly comparable. smirkymonkey Oct 2019 #37
No two things are exactly comparable jberryhill Oct 2019 #38
Of course they weren't. Kingofalldems Oct 2019 #40
They arent comparable AT ALL, but some folks around here do what they do Eliot Rosewater Oct 2019 #49
Yes. Some folks here would play right into GOP hands jberryhill Oct 2019 #59
Sure seems like a "Breach of the Peace". MarcA Oct 2019 #26
Just isn't going to happen. onenote Oct 2019 #31
O.K. But what will a censure actually accomplish with regards to MarcA Oct 2019 #34
Yep, memories are short around these parts jberryhill Oct 2019 #35
No comparison at all. Kingofalldems Oct 2019 #41
I'm sorry that the Democratic leadership did not take the bait and over-react as some here advocate jberryhill Oct 2019 #43
You can count on certain folks to ALWAYS pretend that they have the calmer Eliot Rosewater Oct 2019 #50
. jberryhill Oct 2019 #58
I've been where you are since the beginning of this shitshow. smirkymonkey Oct 2019 #3
They broke the law, you can figure out a lot from responses here though Eliot Rosewater Oct 2019 #5
Cite? onenote Oct 2019 #8
Usually like to agree with you but while it may be a security concern, I couldn't find any triron Oct 2019 #20
Your "hysteria" is Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #24
Don't suppress your outrage... Newest Reality Oct 2019 #6
I wonder if they would have pulled this crap if Pelosi wasn't dewsgirl Oct 2019 #9
Hadnt thought of that. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2019 #10
Very true. dewsgirl Oct 2019 #11
They handled this right StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #12
Maybe, maybe not. Remember, the TRUTH does NOT MATTER to almost half the country Eliot Rosewater Oct 2019 #13
Arresting them today wouldn't have done a thing to stop election hacking StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #15
It is all part of the bigger picture. We play fair, they dont. They have literally ignored ALL law Eliot Rosewater Oct 2019 #18
They can be removed. Guards can be posted to restrain them from entering. MarcA Oct 2019 #14
but they do not have the right to intimidate witnesses... Peacetrain Oct 2019 #17
Hmm maybe so. triron Oct 2019 #21
An arrest for witness intimidation would never stick onenote Oct 2019 #39
The Democrats handled this exactly right. Zoonart Oct 2019 #32
Arrest them at 5am C_U_L8R Oct 2019 #42
Post removed Post removed Oct 2019 #44
Arrested is EXACTLY what they want. Comatose Sphagetti Oct 2019 #46
Correct. The disappointment among some is palpable jberryhill Oct 2019 #47
The democrats handled this perfectly GulfCoast66 Oct 2019 #48
No. Jirel Oct 2019 #51
Arrest who? Why? You don't even say in OP. NCLefty Oct 2019 #52
In this case, whether laws were broken or not is irrelevant. old guy Oct 2019 #54
Yes and in the meantime I am going to be FUCKING ANGRY AND speak out with that anger Eliot Rosewater Oct 2019 #55
Absolutely. You have that right no matter what some here say. old guy Oct 2019 #57
At some point, after one blatant fuck you after another your spirit tires and you begin to lose hope Mr. Ected Oct 2019 #56
I'm going with the 'bless their hearts' reaction Maeve Oct 2019 #60
Have a warm Krispy Kreme doughnut, preferably with chocolate tavernier Oct 2019 #61
Shouldn't someone in national security examine their cellphones Ilsa Oct 2019 #63
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
16. Posts on a message board neither help nor hurt.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:18 PM
Oct 2019

So I'm not too sure what your point is... other than "stop reacting in a way that I don't approve of"

Sparky, indeed.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
36. I have bad news for you
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:50 PM
Oct 2019

Your application can only be approved by a DU member who has a username based on a location in a book popular with evangelical Christians.

raccoon

(31,091 posts)
62. I like that phrase "DU post critic license" and I know of
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:38 AM
Oct 2019

One poster right off who thinks they qualified...I’ll remember that phrase for future use.

onenote

(42,383 posts)
7. US Constitutution Article I, Section 6.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:02 PM
Oct 2019

It has been interpreted to apply broadly. I doubt that the House Democrats or the Capitol Police would take the position that the interlopers can be arrested.

Censured after the fact? Absolutely.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
22. So if the Democrats did the same thing in the future, they would be treated the same way?
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:28 PM
Oct 2019

I am not an expert in Constitutional Law and you said it has been interpreted to apply broadly, but what they did today seems a little out of the bounds of what this clause was intended to prevent, but again, what do I know.

"The clause states that members of both Houses of Congress

...shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their attendance at the Session of their Respective Houses, and in going to and from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

The intended purpose is to prevent a President or other officials of the executive branch from having members arrested on a pretext to prevent them from voting a certain way or otherwise taking actions with which the President might disagree."

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
25. If Democrats broke the law, I would expect them to be arrested, but Democrats don't pull
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:35 PM
Oct 2019

idiotic stunts like that. I am just tired of the republicans' lack of respect for the process and for the rule of law. If there are no consequences, they will continue to push the envelope and our institutions will be rendered meaningless.

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
28. Agreed. Putting aside legalistic gymnastics as used by some,
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:41 PM
Oct 2019

never fail to use an action for something you believe in simply because others may use
the same action for something with which you disagree.

onenote

(42,383 posts)
29. Maybe you've forgotten about the sit-in by Democrats in 2016
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:41 PM
Oct 2019

that disrupted House proceedings and broke a variety of House rules. No one was arrested for obstructing Congress or anything else. The protest (which I wholeheartedly supported) and eventually ended. The GOP, months later, huffed and puffed about reprimanding the participating Democrats but ultimately did next to nothing.

In this case, I'd hope the Democrats go further than the Republicans and actually censure the GOPers who disrupted the hearing.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
33. Memories around here are short
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:47 PM
Oct 2019


One person's civil disobedience is another person's disorderly conduct.
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
37. I don't think these two situations are exactly comparable.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:51 PM
Oct 2019

The sit in was not a security breach and no witnesses were being intimidated.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
38. No two things are exactly comparable
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:54 PM
Oct 2019

Unless we are talking about the fundamental particles of physics then, yes, any two things are different in some way, and whether those differences are "significant" merely depend on whom one happens to be.

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
26. Sure seems like a "Breach of the Peace".
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:37 PM
Oct 2019

Maybe they can or can't be arrested, but a Sargent-at-Arms acting like
a bouncer at a night club.

onenote

(42,383 posts)
31. Just isn't going to happen.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:44 PM
Oct 2019

Just as the Sgt at Arms wasn't called in to stop the Democratic sit in over gun control in 2016. Heck, the GOP made noises about reprimanding the Democrats who participated in the sit in (a "stunt" that I wholeheartedly supported) but they never followed up. I hope, in contrast, that the Democrats do follow up on the GOPers stunt by censuring the participants. But that's the most anyone should expect.

Kingofalldems

(38,361 posts)
41. No comparison at all.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 04:03 PM
Oct 2019

Not a good try. Post a pic of Democrats invading a secure hearing with cell phones.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
43. I'm sorry that the Democratic leadership did not take the bait and over-react as some here advocate
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 04:14 PM
Oct 2019

Better luck next time.

These ratfuckers were begging for a disproportionate response.

They did not get one.

They pitched their hissy, got bored, and left.

The hearings go on.

If people here want to go after the House Democrats, that is their prerogative. I agree with the way that the House leadership handled this.

There is a bigger fish to fry. The GOP would love a distraction from it. They attempted to create one. They failed. Some here are disappointed by that.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
3. I've been where you are since the beginning of this shitshow.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 02:58 PM
Oct 2019

I can't take the outrage anymore. NOTHING ever happens to them!!

I'm so frustrated I just want to run out into the street and scream at the top of my lungs until I fry my vocal cords.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
5. They broke the law, you can figure out a lot from responses here though
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:01 PM
Oct 2019
Fun fact: Unauthorized access to a SCIF is a federal crime. Cc: @GOP

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triron

(21,916 posts)
20. Usually like to agree with you but while it may be a security concern, I couldn't find any
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:23 PM
Oct 2019

chargeable crimes on the face of it. I'm sure Schiff knows a hell of a lot more.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
6. Don't suppress your outrage...
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:01 PM
Oct 2019

but don't succumb to it, either.

Cooler heads prevail and you can conserve and channel that energy. Keep yourself in the flow and go with it. We have a ways to go yet and all hands need to be on deck for this. That way, if things digress, (which they may) you can keep your equilibrium and responsiveness intact. I think that is what distinguishes us from "them". It is a good strategy, especially in a fight.

I do understand your points and agree though.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
10. Hadnt thought of that.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:09 PM
Oct 2019

If people arent outraged by this and the other TWO THOUSAND CRIMES Then why are we even bothering saving the country, is what I what to know.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
12. They handled this right
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:12 PM
Oct 2019

An arrest would have turned this into a bigger circus than it already was, taken the focus off of the information being gathered and onto the shishshow of Members of Congress being hauled off in handcuffs, and allowed those Members to play victim.

As it was, they got them out of there, the marauders look ridiculous and childish and desperate, the work is continuing, and the press is calling it out for what it was - a stunt that went nowhere.

Eyes on the prize. Eyes on the prize ...

Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
13. Maybe, maybe not. Remember, the TRUTH does NOT MATTER to almost half the country
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:13 PM
Oct 2019

AND TO THE DEPARTMENT OF FUCKING JUSTICE

So, unless we have an election NOT hacked, NOT attacked, etc., they will get away with EVERYTHING

Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
18. It is all part of the bigger picture. We play fair, they dont. They have literally ignored ALL law
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:19 PM
Oct 2019

the past 3 yrs.

WE have obeyed ALL laws, and look where we are.

I am NOT blaming the Dems, they are in a no win situation because of the 45 million TRAITORS but we have to take action when they break the law.

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
14. They can be removed. Guards can be posted to restrain them from entering.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:17 PM
Oct 2019

Constituents can force themselves into their offices, and if they are arrested,
they can make a big scene of the hypocrisy in the media.

Peacetrain

(22,836 posts)
17. but they do not have the right to intimidate witnesses...
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:19 PM
Oct 2019

I think some warrants for arrest need to be flying out of there right now and headed to the right side of the aisle...

onenote

(42,383 posts)
39. An arrest for witness intimidation would never stick
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:56 PM
Oct 2019

Witness intimidation requires specific intent to delay or prevent a witness from testifying. Given that these clowns claimed that they express purpose was to gain entry to the hearing in order to participate in it, you'd never get a conviction.

Zoonart

(11,750 posts)
32. The Democrats handled this exactly right.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 03:46 PM
Oct 2019

These Republicans have committed a crime and they can repent in leisure.

What they did not get is what they wanted.... pics of them being forcibly removed from the building.
THAT IS WHAT THEY WANTED.
Their narrative is "we are being repressed".

Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Comatose Sphagetti

(836 posts)
46. Arrested is EXACTLY what they want.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 05:40 PM
Oct 2019

More spectacle, drama, victimhood, etc. Rush, Shawn, Fox, et. al. would be frothing at the mouth.
Don't give them the pleasure.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
48. The democrats handled this perfectly
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 05:53 PM
Oct 2019

They can’t be arrested as congress members in congress.

They came in, hoping for a panicky reaction.

Instead they sat there like sulking teenagers. Ate their pizza. Started hearing it was backfiring on line especially when they realized the had violated serious security protocols. They the slinked out looking like losers.

The hearing and disposition, attended by those from both parties resumed.

The democrats came off like a patient parent waiting for his 2 year old to finish throwing a fit.

Jirel

(1,993 posts)
51. No.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 06:12 PM
Oct 2019

Bad call. They did it exactly right. They refused to take the bare and give the ‘thugs a mediagenic moment.Of course, the ‘thugs don’t know squat about direct action, like packing a lunch if you’re going to be there for the long haul to make a point, so it fizzled after a while with no plans for how not to look like utter monkeys in the process.

They are now a media laughingstock.

The handling couldn’t have been better.

old guy

(3,281 posts)
54. In this case, whether laws were broken or not is irrelevant.
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 06:54 PM
Oct 2019

The resolution of this will be in how the public perceives it and that is a crap shoot at best. A lot will depend on how the media frames it.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
56. At some point, after one blatant fuck you after another your spirit tires and you begin to lose hope
Wed Oct 23, 2019, 07:07 PM
Oct 2019

Your outrage has ratcheted up so high you can't see straight. You want it to end. You want peace restored. You want to know that you're living in a safe and sane country in a not-so-safe-and-sane world. You want decisions made that are sensible and not evil and a betrayal of what we're supposed to be. Dammit, it's not asking much. It's asking for a restoration of normal. It's asking for justice to be applied to those who would steal it from us. It's asking for a mass of our population that has been brainwashed to come back to their senses. It's asking that others would treat us the same way we would treat them if they dropped the sinister bullshit they're up to their eyeballs in right now.

I get why you're pissed Eliot. Can't take too much more of this shit.

Maeve

(42,224 posts)
60. I'm going with the 'bless their hearts' reaction
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:27 AM
Oct 2019

They wanted to make a scene and they looked like petulant children. Keep noting that there are ALREADY something like 45 Repubs on the three committees that have the right to be in the hearings (so they aren't THAT secret!) and that the ones having the hissyfit weren't doing their own jobs--just trying to keep others from useful work.

It was a toddler tantrum--treat it as such.

tavernier

(12,322 posts)
61. Have a warm Krispy Kreme doughnut, preferably with chocolate
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:37 AM
Oct 2019

drizzled over the top, and a glass of cold milk, and do this while checking out the dozens of political cartoons this morning lampooning the buffoons and their antics yesterday.

It will help.

Stay healthy, physically and emotionally. The biggest battles are yet to come.

Ilsa

(61,675 posts)
63. Shouldn't someone in national security examine their cellphones
Thu Oct 24, 2019, 08:45 AM
Oct 2019

to make certain the phones didn't acquire any secrets that could compromise national security?

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