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catbyte

(34,367 posts)
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 11:26 PM Oct 2019

"There Is Definite Hanky-Panky Going On": Fantastically Profitable Mystery of the Trump Chaos Trades

The president’s talk can move markets—and it’s made some futures traders billions. Did they know what he was going to say before he said it?

By William D. Cohan
October 16, 2019

In the last 10 minutes of trading at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange on Friday, September 13, someone got very lucky. That’s when he or she, or a group of people, sold short 120,000 “S&P e-minis”—electronically traded futures contracts linked to the Standard & Poor’s 500 stock index—when the index was trading around 3010. The time was 3:50 p.m. in New York; it was nearing midnight in Tehran. A few hours later, drones attacked a large swath of Saudi Arabia’s oil infrastructure, choking off production in the country and sending oil prices soaring. By the time the CME next opened, for pretrading on Sunday night, the S&P index had fallen 30 points, giving that very fortunate trader, or traders, a quick $180 million profit.

It was not an isolated occurrence. Three days earlier, in the last 10 minutes of trading, someone bought 82,000 S&P e-minis when the index was trading at 2969. That was nearly 4 a.m. on September 11 in Beijing, where a few hours later, the Chinese government announced that it would lift tariffs on a range of American-made products. As has been the typical reaction in the U.S. stock markets as the trade war with China chugs on without any perceptible logic, when the news about a potential resolution of it seems positive, stock markets go up, and when the news about the trade war appears negative, they go down.

The news was viewed positively. The S&P index moved swiftly on September 11 to 2996, up nearly 30 points. That same day, President Donald Trump said he would postpone tariffs on some Chinese goods, and the S&P index moved to 3016, or up 47 points since the fortunate person bought the 82,000 e-minis just before the market closed on September 10. Since a one-point movement, up or down, in an e-mini contract is worth $50, a 47-point movement up in a day was worth $2,350 per contract. If you were the lucky one who bought the 82,000 e-mini contracts, well, then you were sitting on a one-day profit of roughly $190 million.

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But these wins were peanuts compared to the money made by a trader, or group of traders, who bought 420,000 September e-minis in the last 30 minutes of trading on June 28. That was some 40% of the day’s trading volume in September e-minis—making it a trade that could not easily be ignored. By then, President Trump was already in Osaka, Japan—14 hours ahead of Chicago—and on his way to a roughly hour-long meeting with China’s President Xi Jinping as part of the G20 summit. On Saturday in Osaka, after the market had closed in Chicago, Trump emerged from his meeting with Xi and announced that the intermittent trade talks were “back on track.” The following week was a good one in the stock market, thanks to the Trump announcement. On Thursday, June 27, the S&P 500 index stood at about 2915; a week or so later, it was just below 3000, a gain of 84 points, or $4,200 per e-mini contract. Whoever bought the 420,000 e-minis on June 28 had made a handsome profit of nearly $1.8 billion.

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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/the-mystery-of-the-trump-chaos-trades

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I don't think we'll ever truly know the depth and breadth of the crimes that thing infesting the White House and its crooked cronies are perpetrating. It's stunning.
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"There Is Definite Hanky-Panky Going On": Fantastically Profitable Mystery of the Trump Chaos Trades (Original Post) catbyte Oct 2019 OP
Reminiscent of the fortunes made on put options by Bush's buddies, sandensea Oct 2019 #1
FINALLY. Mike Niendorff Oct 2019 #2
Something does sound like it is going on...the chances of someone making such sums of money... SWBTATTReg Oct 2019 #3
No doubt Trump has inside traders on his payroll too. world wide wally Oct 2019 #4
K&R. NT enough Oct 2019 #5
How could the man with no self control possibly resist Mersky Oct 2019 #6

sandensea

(21,620 posts)
1. Reminiscent of the fortunes made on put options by Bush's buddies,
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 11:30 PM
Oct 2019

the week before 9/11.

(put options, for those less familiar, are basically short sales - a bet that the price of a stock will fall).

And no doubt about it: we'll never know what, exactly, happened here. Too many people making too much money to let that happen.

Such is the swamp.

SWBTATTReg

(22,100 posts)
3. Something does sound like it is going on...the chances of someone making such sums of money...
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 11:44 PM
Oct 2019

and the timing is too much of a coincidence. I hope that the SEC and such bodies will hunt down these people and nail them to the wall...I know that they go after people who buy shares etc. prior to announcements, perhaps they will still go after them. And I wonder just how much rump is getting somehow...remember, people are losing these sums of money too, the equivalent amounts.

Mersky

(4,980 posts)
6. How could the man with no self control possibly resist
Thu Oct 17, 2019, 10:37 AM
Oct 2019

Profiting from the effects of his tweets and maniacal governance on stock prices?

The potential for significant insider trading crimes is great, but is just one more investigatory rabbit hole to go down. I hope regulators are scouring for violations.

I, for one, have wondered who profited handsomely from his surprise announcement (on putin’s birthday) that left Kurdish allies and US troops in harm’s way in Syria?

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