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MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:04 PM Oct 2019

The Fantastically Profitable Mystery of the Trump Chaos Trades




“There Is Definite Hanky-Panky Going On”: The Fantastically Profitable Mystery of the Trump Chaos Trades

The president’s talk can move markets—and it’s made some futures traders billions. Did they know what he was going to say before he said it?


In the last 10 minutes of trading at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange on Friday, September 13, someone got very lucky. That’s when he or she, or a group of people, sold short 120,000 “S&P e-minis”—electronically traded futures contracts linked to the Standard & Poor’s 500 stock index—when the index was trading around 3010. The time was 3:50 p.m. in New York; it was nearing midnight in Tehran. A few hours later, drones attacked a large swath of Saudi Arabia’s oil infrastructure, choking off production in the country and sending oil prices soaring. By the time the CME next opened, for pretrading on Sunday night, the S&P index had fallen 30 points, giving that very fortunate trader, or traders, a quick $180 million profit.

It was not an isolated occurrence. Three days earlier, in the last 10 minutes of trading, someone bought 82,000 S&P e-minis when the index was trading at 2969. That was nearly 4 a.m. on September 11 in Beijing, where a few hours later, the Chinese government announced that it would lift tariffs on a range of American-made products. As has been the typical reaction in the U.S. stock markets as the trade war with China chugs on without any perceptible logic, when the news about a potential resolution of it seems positive, stock markets go up, and when the news about the trade war appears negative, they go down.

The news was viewed positively. The S&P index moved swiftly on September 11 to 2996, up nearly 30 points. That same day, President Donald Trump said he would postpone tariffs on some Chinese goods, and the S&P index moved to 3016, or up 47 points since the fortunate person bought the 82,000 e-minis just before the market closed on September 10. Since a one-point movement, up or down, in an e-mini contract is worth $50, a 47-point movement up in a day was worth $2,350 per contract. If you were the lucky one who bought the 82,000 e-mini contracts, well, then you were sitting on a one-day profit of roughly $190 million.

A week earlier, three minutes before the CME closed on September 3, someone bought 55,000 e-mini contracts, with the index at about 2906. At around 9 p.m. in New York—9 a.m. in Hong Kong—the market started moving and kept rallying for the next six hours or so, reaching 2936. Around 2 p.m. in Hong Kong—2 a.m. in New York—Carrie Lam, the Hong Kong leader, announced that she would be withdrawing the controversial extradition bill that had been roiling the city in protest for months. Whoever bought those e-mini contracts a few hours earlier made a killing: a cool $82.5 million profit.

More: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/the-mystery-of-the-trump-chaos-trades?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=onsite-share&utm_brand=vanity-fair&utm_social-type=earned



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The Fantastically Profitable Mystery of the Trump Chaos Trades (Original Post) MelissaB Oct 2019 OP
One more paragraph MelissaB Oct 2019 #1
Another MelissaB Oct 2019 #4
From Joyce Vance MelissaB Oct 2019 #2
Given what we know about him, and the ilk he pals around with... Salviati Oct 2019 #3
I have always thought this has been going on ever since he rzemanfl Oct 2019 #5
YEP Cosmocat Oct 2019 #9
I have repeatedly said Miguelito Loveless Oct 2019 #6
On a related note : Mike Niendorff Oct 2019 #7
My son's been saying this for months peggysue2 Oct 2019 #8

MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
1. One more paragraph
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:05 PM
Oct 2019
But these wins were peanuts compared to the money made by a trader, or group of traders, who bought 420,000 September e-minis in the last 30 minutes of trading on June 28. That was some 40% of the day’s trading volume in September e-minis—making it a trade that could not easily be ignored. By then, President Trump was already in Osaka, Japan—14 hours ahead of Chicago—and on his way to a roughly hour-long meeting with China’s President Xi Jinping as part of the G20 summit. On Saturday in Osaka, after the market had closed in Chicago, Trump emerged from his meeting with Xi and announced that the intermittent trade talks were “back on track.” The following week was a good one in the stock market, thanks to the Trump announcement. On Thursday, June 27, the S&P 500 index stood at about 2915; a week or so later, it was just below 3000, a gain of 84 points, or $4,200 per e-mini contract. Whoever bought the 420,000 e-minis on June 28 had made a handsome profit of nearly $1.8 billion.

MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
4. Another
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:13 PM
Oct 2019
Federal regulators might start here: In the last 10 minutes of trading on Friday, August 23, as the markets were roiling in the face of more bad trade news, someone bought 386,000 September e-minis. Three days later, Trump lied about getting a call from China to restart the trade talks, and the S&P 500 index shot up nearly 80 points. The potential profit on the trade was more than $1.5 billion.

MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
2. From Joyce Vance
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:06 PM
Oct 2019
This reporting raises red flags that would normally be sufficient for investigators to go to work, particularly since this happened not just once but repeatedly around information that could indicate insider trading.


Salviati

(6,008 posts)
3. Given what we know about him, and the ilk he pals around with...
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:10 PM
Oct 2019

It's inconceivable that they aren't taking advantage of this.

rzemanfl

(29,556 posts)
5. I have always thought this has been going on ever since he
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:23 PM
Oct 2019

took office. See, e.g., Manitowoc Company stock and steel tariffs

Mike Niendorff

(3,460 posts)
7. On a related note :
Thu Oct 17, 2019, 03:58 AM
Oct 2019

Trump threatening to crash Turkish economy:

* " (have done before!)" (via Twitter)

* "and I will!" (direct threat to Erdogan, released today)

As if it even needs to be said: these are straight-up admissions that he KNOWS how to manipulate markets and the he HAS ALREADY manipulated markets.


MDN

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
8. My son's been saying this for months
Thu Oct 17, 2019, 04:27 AM
Oct 2019

In fact, he called tonight from Utah and I told him about this Vanity Fair article. He's on a wilderness hike right now with sporadic communication. But he wasn't surprised. He said, "I told you, this SOB has been manipulating the markets in broad daylight. Not just for fun but for gobs of profit."

Obviously, I should listen to my very smart son more often!

The other thing is how the regulators have turned a blind eye. The corruption is massive.

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