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Stuart G

(38,403 posts)
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 12:26 PM Oct 2019

Why Trump doesn't have a clue of what is coming.

...For much of his career, he had professional protectors. People who knew him, and those people protected him. For example, his former lawyer, Michael Cohen, kept the wolves away. Made deals, counter claimed law suits, paid off some and so on. But Cohen decided to take the penalties and when he gets out, he can live clean in his mind that he paid his debt to society. So Cohen told the truth. Yes, he committed crimes. And Michael is paying for those crimes.
...While Cohen was around, he protected Trump and kept him out of trouble. Cohen is not around. The crowd that he currently has does not have the expertise and experience that Mr. Cohen had/has.
... Now, Trump is in far deeper trouble, and he still thinks he can get away with it. He has broken the law before, and gotten away with it, so why not now?
... Now, he is up against a different foe. Trump is up against individuals who can prove that he has broken the law, for all to see in the court of public opinion. Actually, that has been proven if one looks at the "proof." Beyond the "public opinion" court, is the real law. He broke that too. It really is a question of time before the House of Representatives votes to impeach, and send the rest of show to the Senate.
...But the "proof" is already out there. Trump broke the law. And this time, there is hell to pay. Trump has never had, "hell to pay" in the past. This time is totally different. Pelosi and Schiff can wait as more crimes are exposed and more proof is shown. Pelosi and Schiff have a different loyalty than Trump. Their loyalty is to the "truth.", and because of that "loyalty to the truth", Trump doesn't have a chance in hell. All Trump knows is/are lies.

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Why Trump doesn't have a clue of what is coming. (Original Post) Stuart G Oct 2019 OP
Trump is the tip of an iceberg of foul, bad, crooked money. Baitball Blogger Oct 2019 #1
I just want to see him testify in the Senate... N_E_1 for Tennis Oct 2019 #2
Yes, that would be, "The Greatest Show On Earth" and "live and in living color" as they used to say. Stuart G Oct 2019 #3
That phrase... N_E_1 for Tennis Oct 2019 #12
It would go much like 2naSalit Oct 2019 #11
I doubt he'd ever do that shanti Oct 2019 #13
That is not what happens in impeachment trials in the Senate. former9thward Oct 2019 #20
Trumpy won't testify. He'd rather commit suicide than lie under oath. Eyeball_Kid Oct 2019 #21
As the folks who Wellstone ruled Oct 2019 #4
But none of it adds up to a hill of beans if Republicans won't do the right thing. BlueTsunami2018 Oct 2019 #5
He's going to get off again Coleman Oct 2019 #6
He will not win re-election...52 percent now in favor of impeachment. Stuart G Oct 2019 #7
Is that what you choose to believe? Claritie Pixie Oct 2019 #8
Not only do I choose to believe that he will be held accuntable, (like you) but Stuart G Oct 2019 #9
Trump has an entire party willing to protect him TheRealNorth Oct 2019 #10
I think you're right StarfishSaver Oct 2019 #14
You're right lunatica Oct 2019 #18
You have good points, but Trump cannot destroy the press. Stuart G Oct 2019 #22
He knows EXACTLY what is coming. They're already setting it up. TygrBright Oct 2019 #15
As long as he's protected by the fascist curtain he will be fine, if the protection ends yaesu Oct 2019 #16
But tRUMP said... WyattKansas Oct 2019 #17
He is stunned. pwb Oct 2019 #19
he knows and he's preparing for something terrible Demonaut Oct 2019 #23

Baitball Blogger

(46,655 posts)
1. Trump is the tip of an iceberg of foul, bad, crooked money.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 12:35 PM
Oct 2019

Nobody buys themselves that much "loyalty" without money.

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,651 posts)
2. I just want to see him testify in the Senate...
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 12:39 PM
Oct 2019

Under oath telling his “side” of the story. Grill him for 10-12 hours. Let’s see what “stamina” is all about.

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,651 posts)
12. That phrase...
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 01:41 PM
Oct 2019

”Live and in living color”...when I was a kid and the family was watching tv, when that phrase was uttered I used to crack up giggling for all I was worth. My parents could not figure out what was so funny, through my amusement I asked, “living color”, what do they mean, what’s dead color?

Read that and laughed again, across those many decades. Thanks

2naSalit

(86,282 posts)
11. It would go much like
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 01:30 PM
Oct 2019

that SCOTUS candidate, what's his name, Kavenaugh, and his whiny cry-baby outburst, only it will go on, and on, and on... with chairs flying and name calling until they have to have him restrained.

ETA: It will probably be more like the possessed girl in The Exorcist.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
21. Trumpy won't testify. He'd rather commit suicide than lie under oath.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 05:33 PM
Oct 2019

And his lies will be detected in real time, on the spot. Trumpy doesn't want to be seen as a liar and called a liar under oath, for the whole world to see. Trumpy won't get close to that situation. He'll resign before then. He'll blame the Democrats for conducting a conspiracy to bring him down. He'll throw tantrums about how unfair he's being treated. He'll be claiming that he is being subjected to a coup. He'll rally his "base" to take to the streets to protest the miscarriage of justice. And if he gets the opportunity, he'll cancel the next election when he can come to no other conclusion than he'll lose the election.

The House must impeach Trumpy and the Senate must remove him before he has the chance to cancel the election. I think that the Senate may be reconsidering their place as Trumpy's firewall. He's going beyond their ability to make excuses. Lindsey Graham, just a few days ago, was about to circulate a letter to Senate GOPers to commit themselves to NOT voting to remove Trumpy "under any circumstances." Then, just this morning, Graham warns Trumpy that he, Graham, could end up being Trumpy's "worst nightmare" if Trumpy continues to allow the Kurds to be slaughtered. Graham was to be Trumpy's foreign policy guard rail. Trumpy just shit on his face. That didn't work out so well.

Now, in this afternoon's press conference, Trumpy insults the Speaker of the House, goes infantile on his defensive ME posture, and is even more rigid than before about his problems in that very volatile region. Senate GOPers have to be pulling out their hair because they are finding Trumpy's actions more indefensible by the day.

Trumpy can't improve. He can't make amends, he can't admit mistakes, he can't change course. Changing course now means that he must admit to his crimes and resign in disgrace. He'll only get worse because he's following his self-imposed logic, and he can only define himself by keeping his line of logic. Otherwise, his entire world falls apart. So he must be removed. And fast. If the GOP does the right thing, they'll still lose big in the election, but they can perhaps salvage a remnant of their party. If they stick with Trumpy, the nation will annihilate them in the next election, and all of those filthy rich GOP donors will have nowhere else to dump their money.
So he's a train wreck in the making, and he's not slowing down.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
4. As the folks who
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 12:44 PM
Oct 2019

prosecuted Nixon said,follow the money.

People will protect someone if the money keeps coming their way. It is called "Coat Tailing".

BlueTsunami2018

(3,477 posts)
5. But none of it adds up to a hill of beans if Republicans won't do the right thing.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 12:49 PM
Oct 2019

He’s already caught dead to rights but it doesn’t matter if the Senate refuses to act on it. His cult base will turn on any of them who do the right thing. This isn’t a courtroom. He’s not going before a judge and jury. He’s going to be tried in a Republican controlled senate. And they’re going to let him go no matter what evidence is shown. Тяцмр voters, the people those Senators are beholden to, don’t believe he’s done anything wrong and the ones who do don’t care.

We have no recourse except to vote so overwhelmingly against him that it’s impossible to steal again. And we need a candidate that can grab back those disenchanted blue collar voters who took a chance on the asshole last time because he wasn’t Hillary Clinton.

Coleman

(851 posts)
6. He's going to get off again
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 12:50 PM
Oct 2019

So the House impeaches. The Senate won't convict. IQ45 will declare that he has been exonerated. Can't indict a sitting president. He will win re-election, we seem to forget states like Ohio, Florida, and Georgia will rig the outcome in their states. He doesn't need Cohen, he has some house representatives, several senators, the AG, the USSC and every level of federal court, and of couse Rudy.

Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
8. Is that what you choose to believe?
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 12:53 PM
Oct 2019

You, nor I, nor anyone else, can see into the future and know what will happen.

You can choose to believe he will get off or you can choose to believe he will be held accountable.

I choose the latter, knowing that the future is unpredictable and anything can happen.

Stuart G

(38,403 posts)
9. Not only do I choose to believe that he will be held accuntable, (like you) but
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 12:58 PM
Oct 2019

believing that is on the "honest side" of things. And you are correct, "..no one can see into the future and know what will happen."

TheRealNorth

(9,462 posts)
10. Trump has an entire party willing to protect him
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 12:59 PM
Oct 2019

And 35% of the electorate that don't care if he breaks laws and would cheer if he shipped every Democrat to the death camps.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
14. I think you're right
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 01:55 PM
Oct 2019

Trump was foolish enough to believe that he was too slick to get caught and he likely was certain the fact that he was never charged with any crimes was proof of how brilliant he and his consigliere were - that he was just too big and bad to be found out.

But, in reality, Trump has gotten away with it so far, not because he was so smart but because he was simply too small for anyone to care what he was up to. Despite his larger-than-life self image, Donald Trump just wasn’t big enough or important enough or meaningful enough for law enforcement to waste their time on him. They had bigger fish to fry and better things to do than chase around after a two-bit grifter and his money-grubbing kids.

Trump may not have figured it out yet - he’s often a little slow on the uptake - but it’s very clear to anyone else paying attention that running for president was the biggest mistake of his life and becoming president was not just a catastrophe for our nation, but will prove to be an unmitigated disaster for him and everyone close to him.

And he’ll likely eventually wish he'd just stayed in New York where he could have continued operating behind the curtain, shaking down contractors and doing Lord knows what with other people’s money. It's going to come crashing down on him like a ton of bricks.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
18. You're right
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 03:26 PM
Oct 2019

Trump thought he could continue to operate in secrecy and keep the rest of the world in the dark. He forgot, or perhaps simply never understood that in order to fool everyone he had to give himself the advantage of his activities being obscured very carefully by an army of image makers.

If you go back and study the methods of the world famous dictators they are always carefully shown as bigger than life in impossible ways. Huge statues, portraits on walls that can be seen from far away, their images everywhere, but with larger than life depictions as the father figures, the liberators, the saviors, and the ultimate givers of life and death. Fear and adulation is carefully mixed.

No dictator can withstand close scrutiny which is why they must destroy the press. Trump thought he had enough with Fox News, and he believed he could outsmart the rest. He forgot that even the worst and most powerful dictators never last long. Just like they did.

Stuart G

(38,403 posts)
22. You have good points, but Trump cannot destroy the press.
Thu Oct 17, 2019, 09:34 PM
Oct 2019

As of today, Thursday 10/17..too much information and proof of illegal acts have already been exposed and are out there ..for all to see.
...Trump will see ,as Nixon saw, what happens when you and your gang commit illegal acts over and over. And there will be many come backs..
..examples: Like this is not illegal, everyone does this, it is just politics, and on and on. It doesn't matter, because even if Trump now has a "clue" after today, it won't matter. The lying and illegal acts are out there for all to see.
..Trump may see that now, he is not going to get away with it. Maybe now he has a clue as to what is in store for him and his gang. Did he really throw Rudy under the bus? or Freight Train? Maybe that is what Trump does when he sees the end game. It won't matter. Because it is out there for all to see. Nixon was a crook, and so is Trump and his gang...all crooks.

TygrBright

(20,749 posts)
15. He knows EXACTLY what is coming. They're already setting it up.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 02:21 PM
Oct 2019

He and his new batch of criminal enablers:

Schumer: Senate republicans promising not to convict Trump under any circumstances

There are NO depths to which the GOPpies will not sink in their quest to keep on stealing and destroying.

disgustedly,
Bright

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
16. As long as he's protected by the fascist curtain he will be fine, if the protection ends
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 02:51 PM
Oct 2019

and he is thrown to the wolves he could be in big trouble but the crime family has a lot of power, a lot knowledge to use for extortion and lots of deep pockets supporting him.

WyattKansas

(1,648 posts)
17. But tRUMP said...
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 02:56 PM
Oct 2019

That a top notch attorney (***Prize from a Happy Meal***) told him his conversation in the transcript was just so perfect.

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