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Joyce Alene Vance: Trump's NY state tax filings "looks like either bank fraud or tax fraud" (Original Post) triron Oct 2019 OP
Or Both. I vote for both. MineralMan Oct 2019 #1
Yeah me too. triron Oct 2019 #2
Agree mercuryblues Oct 2019 #9
Yep. Not an "either/or" proposition here. GoCubsGo Oct 2019 #13
yup TeamPooka Oct 2019 #16
Both. Indeed. calimary Oct 2019 #19
Yep definitely both Midnightwalk Oct 2019 #31
I suspect this is where Trump will head before his term is finished: Jarqui Oct 2019 #3
I'll put my money on Eritrea jayschool2013 Oct 2019 #15
How about we send them tactical nukes? Lock him up. Oct 2019 #21
They apparently have about 50 now in suspect status laying around in Turkey .... Jarqui Oct 2019 #23
Awful; the lies keep adding up (n/t) Lock him up. Oct 2019 #26
Turkey 'effectively holding 50 US nuclear bombs hostage' at air base amid Syria invasion Jarqui Oct 2019 #28
Saw that earlier. Lock him up. Oct 2019 #33
just when you thought things couldn't get worse...nt Javaman Oct 2019 #37
Those shithole countries? flying_wahini Oct 2019 #27
Kazakhstan. Doesn't drumph already have $$$ and infrastructure there. MarcA Oct 2019 #39
Awhile back I predicted Baked Potato Oct 2019 #41
Didn't a similar article in the NYT expose this behavior in an upstate New York property? malaise Oct 2019 #4
The Tax fraud part ScratchCat Oct 2019 #5
I think the bank(s) would file complaints (n/t) Lock him up. Oct 2019 #24
Would that be the bank where Justice Kennedy's son worked bigbrother05 Oct 2019 #40
Fingers crossed.. Permanut Oct 2019 #6
If his financial records become available, I think it will sink him. LuvNewcastle Oct 2019 #20
This is exactly what Michael Cohen testified about to Congress DeminPennswoods Oct 2019 #7
That's what I thought of. But what happens next? NCLefty Oct 2019 #43
Both! Both! Not either, or -- both!!! (nt) IndyOp Oct 2019 #8
All the more reason why rump is hiding his papers (financial, tax, etc.) because they're riddled ... SWBTATTReg Oct 2019 #10
Auditors could probably get lost in their complexity. Lock him up. Oct 2019 #32
Auditors are used to the complexity and such, that's what we get paid for (my background is... SWBTATTReg Oct 2019 #38
It can be both catrose Oct 2019 #11
All of the above and, no doubt, even more types of fraud dlk Oct 2019 #12
Yes, both and any other angle he can dream up. yonder Oct 2019 #14
Both gademocrat7 Oct 2019 #17
I seem to recall some members of the mob were taken down by tax fraud. CaptainTruth Oct 2019 #18
That's certainly appropriate in this case. groundloop Oct 2019 #22
Does it HAVE to be one or the other? NurseJackie Oct 2019 #25
Lets not forget about his loan from his building in Chicago turbinetree Oct 2019 #29
It is bank fraud for sure. avebury Oct 2019 #30
If the statute of limitations is in effect when Trump is removed oasis Oct 2019 #34
They'd never let you be jmowreader Oct 2019 #42
The manure is coming out of the horse! This is only going to snowball violently against tRump. ffr Oct 2019 #35
or both. nt Javaman Oct 2019 #36

jayschool2013

(2,309 posts)
15. I'll put my money on Eritrea
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 12:42 PM
Oct 2019

Of the countries on that list, it's the one with the worst Press Freedom ranking by Reporters Without Borders. Only Turkmenistan and North Korea are worse.

Jarqui

(10,110 posts)
23. They apparently have about 50 now in suspect status laying around in Turkey ....
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 01:03 PM
Oct 2019

Maybe Trump will blame that on Obama or the Kurds too

malaise

(267,828 posts)
4. Didn't a similar article in the NYT expose this behavior in an upstate New York property?
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 10:46 AM
Oct 2019

Face it - he's a two bit crook and a notorious Con.

ScratchCat

(1,957 posts)
5. The Tax fraud part
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 10:48 AM
Oct 2019

should be easy to prove. Part of the reason is that for the property tax assessments, he had to have a private third party State-Certified Appraiser provide the valuation. This person would now stand to lose his/her license and would have reason to role over on Trump. And believe me, the NY State tax authority is going to be interested in this kind of tax fraud. The bank fraud may be a little more difficult to prove because the bank which he gave the application to is the party who would need to file a complaint. If they don't, it may be a moot point unless some State or Federal department of banking takes it up(don't know how this works).

Permanut

(5,439 posts)
6. Fingers crossed..
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 11:01 AM
Oct 2019

We keep thinking that this will take him down, no wait, THIS wll do it, no, okay, THIS IS IT FOR SURE. He's not fit to clean the toilets at the White House.

LuvNewcastle

(16,820 posts)
20. If his financial records become available, I think it will sink him.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 01:00 PM
Oct 2019

And if Deutsche Bank ever comes through with what they have, it will add fuel to the fire. We really need his tax returns, though. Everybody needs to see how he's violated the emoluments clause and he likely put that money away and didn't even pay taxes on it. I saw that 52% want him impeached and removed now. It would be a good time for him to make a deal now and resign, before all that information is released. If he wants to live in this country, and I think he does, it would be wise to quit soon.

SWBTATTReg

(21,859 posts)
10. All the more reason why rump is hiding his papers (financial, tax, etc.) because they're riddled ...
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 12:15 PM
Oct 2019

with fraud inside and out. Why didn't anyone ever catch this earlier is my question? Someone had to notice these returns earlier, that is, they do have auditors don't they?

Lock him up.

(6,874 posts)
32. Auditors could probably get lost in their complexity.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 01:13 PM
Oct 2019

OTOH, he filed a correction on his financial disclosures after the Cohen TAPE aired everywhere.

AFTER he hid his CRIME = Article of Impeachment no. ???

SWBTATTReg

(21,859 posts)
38. Auditors are used to the complexity and such, that's what we get paid for (my background is...
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 01:33 PM
Oct 2019

in auditing), so despite the 'complexity' and such, and being that rump is not the only businessman out there, this is no excuse. More than likely, they didn't have all of the materials available to them to fully evaluate the returns OR the supporting documentation was faked up/mocked up. I can't believe that someone of rump's so called caliber getting his returns a passing grade. The point I'm making is that somewhere along the line, someone did catch discrepancies and then got brought off, or something like that. I wouldn't be surprised.

Take care!

And you're absolutely right, perhaps another article of impeachment, in filing false returns.

dlk

(11,438 posts)
12. All of the above and, no doubt, even more types of fraud
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 12:34 PM
Oct 2019

Trump is supremely talented at being a multiple category offender. He likes to go big.

avebury

(10,946 posts)
30. It is bank fraud for sure.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 01:12 PM
Oct 2019

Years ago I was in banking and the bank I worked for bought another bank. There was one guy who has a relationship with each bank ($100,000.00 line of credit with each bank). Once the banks merged the financial statements that he gave each loan officer ended up on the same Credit Analyst's desk. Wouldn't you know it, each financial statement reported one $100,000.00 loan, not two. Loan Officer saw the loan he granted and Loan Officer B saw the loan that he had granted. That lending relationship came to a halt pretty quickly once they realized that the guy was trying to pull a fast one.

oasis

(49,152 posts)
34. If the statute of limitations is in effect when Trump is removed
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 01:25 PM
Oct 2019

I'd like to be a juror in his criminal proceedings.

jmowreader

(50,453 posts)
42. They'd never let you be
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 09:06 PM
Oct 2019

“Prospective juror Oasis, have you pre-judged this case?”

“No, Ms. Prosecutor. I’m still trying to decide whether to vote to hang that fucking crook by the neck, the toes or the balls.”

ffr

(22,649 posts)
35. The manure is coming out of the horse! This is only going to snowball violently against tRump.
Wed Oct 16, 2019, 01:26 PM
Oct 2019

HE
IS
A
FRAUD!

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