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-Centuries before Spinoza, there was Ḥiwi al-Balkhi, a Jewish freethinker for whom the Bible was too irrational for faith
Much less known today is the fact that they, too, had a forerunner, and a rather early one at that. He lived eight centuries before their time, hailing from medieval Afghanistan: Ḥiwi al-Balkhi (also spelled as Chiwi), a man whom Spinoza and da Costa never heard of. But what do we know about this very early Jewish freethinker?
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Ḥiwi was an amazingly radical freethinker. About his life we know next to nothing. And most unfortunately, his notorious work, often called the Book of Two Hundred Questions, has not been preserved because the leaders of both Jewish communities of his day had no interest at all in its survival. They did all they could to achieve its disappearance, and nearly succeeded.
That we still know a fair amount about Ḥiwis work is something we owe to it being so controversial that, for several decades after its appearance, Jewish authors (including even Karaites) tried to refute the ideas of this heretic. Of course, in order to refute him they had to quote him: hence our knowledge of his radicalism. One of these authors was no less a person than Saadia Gaon, a leading Jewish scholar and rabbi from the early 10th century. (Abraham ibn Ezra, a famed biblical commentator of the same era, was another critic.)
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Ḥiwi argues that anyone who reads the Bible carefully will see that it often presents God as unjust and even ruthless (a question he asks is Why did God inflict the Egyptian servitude upon the offspring of Abraham?). Moreover, the Bible does not picture God as almighty and omniscient: in Genesis 3: 9, God asks Adam Where are you? In Genesis 4: 9, God asks: Where is your brother Abel? God is pictured as capricious since he repeatedly changes his mind, as in Genesis 6:6: The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. The fact that the biblical God wants to receive bloody sacrifices can hardly be interpreted as an indication of Gods lofty status, or as Ḥiwi puts it: Is not God represented as eating and accepting bribes? And what sense does it make that, when God prods David to commit a grave sin, it is the people of Israel who are severely punished, as when God sends a brutal plague to claim 70,000 innocent lives (2 Samuel 24)? Why did 30,000 Israelites have to be killed by the Philistines because the sons of the priest Eli seriously misbehaved (1 Samuel 4:10)? The conclusion, for Ḥiwi, must be that the biblical concept of the divine is primitive and in fact unworthy of God Himself.
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Mike Nelson
(9,944 posts)... asking "Where is your brother?" meant he didn't know the answer... but, maybe I'm reading it wrong. However, I agree God is very nasty... downright evil in Biblical stories. I guess he gets away with it because he's God?
rpannier
(24,328 posts)But he brought up some valid points and the article points out some interesting questions and issues he brought forward
in Deuteronomy 32:8-10, it is said that God divided humankind into nations, his own share being the people of Israel. This clearly implies that each nation has its own deity. And the opening line of Psalm 82 states that God presides in the divine assembly; he renders judgment among the gods, whereas elsewhere God proclaims himself to be the only one:
I think it's an interesting read and an interesting person
Mike Nelson
(9,944 posts)... I assumed there were other Gods... but secondary. There are other supernatural beings around, and I'm not sure where they came from... also, God as a "he" and not an "it" indicates something. Why is God a he if there are no shes?
rpannier
(24,328 posts)I have always had a nagging question, that I wonder if Hiwi brought up and that goes to the Garden of Eden (actually two questions)
The first is the Tree of Knowledge, in the middle of the Garden of Eden. I wondered in junior high if that wasn't akin to putting the chocolate cake of deliciousness in the middle of five 1st graders and telling them not to eat any of it
And, after they had eaten the apple, why couldn't the all-powerful God just remove that knowledge from Adam and Eve. In high school our teacher (A Christian Brother) said that's why the Church doesn't view the Old Testament literally
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)the gods were often very nasty, having sex with mortals, taking sides and outright betraying those that had invested trust in them.
alwaysinasnit
(5,060 posts)to say that "Man made God in his image" instead of "God made Man in his image."
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)man can more easily relate to the Creator by humanizing the Creator.
alwaysinasnit
(5,060 posts)since human understanding is so very limited compared to the perfection attributed to the Creator.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And being imperfect, we can only try.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)intellect far superior to our intellect. But I have long viewed the bible as a compilation of stories that were crafted by elders to keep people in line.
I don't deny that there was once a person named Jesus that did wonderful things to help the downtrodden, but I can't see miracles as being part of that. As a deist, I believe that the higher intelligence occasionally has special people born on earth.
I know that atheists and Christians, and Muslims and other religions are cold to the nature based belief system that I hold, but it is what it is. The natural world around me and my wonder at how it works is my church.
Cartoonist
(7,311 posts)Let alone 200 of them. Your job as a believer is to belive everything without question.
Which is why I am no longer a believer.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)So God gives us the capacity to reason, learn and make adjustments, but that God also wants us to blindly believe something without using the reasoning capacity that God instilled into us?
Omaha Steve
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