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Nevermypresident

(781 posts)
Tue Oct 1, 2019, 09:46 PM Oct 2019

"Disaster for Ukraine"

Michael MacKay
@mhmck
Disaster for Ukraine. President Zelenskyy has agreed to the 'Steinmeier Formula' which which will see Ukrainian defenders withdraw from the battlefront in Donbas and Russian invaders allowed to remain.

Zelenskyy refused to say why Ukraine is surrendering.

FGS, I can't believe it!



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Duppers

(28,120 posts)
12. Same here. Americans should be outraged!
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 05:24 PM
Oct 2019

It's doubtful that most Americans have any idea of what's happened and how horrible it is.

ooky

(8,922 posts)
8. Its all coming together now, making more sense.
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:51 AM
Oct 2019

Trump has been working to deliver Crimea and Eastern Ukraine to Putin, at the same time bringing an end to the sanctions. This miserable fuck has used his presidency to put the interests of Putin above his own country and its allies. He is the ultimate traitor, the worst in the history of our country.

Nevermypresident

(781 posts)
10. I'm with you on your assessment. I also believe trump/putin and maybe Zelenskyy knew in advance
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:27 PM
Oct 2019

Zelenskyy was going to cave. I read that allegedly putin and Zelenskyy had a private mtg. very recently and note what seemed to be an outrageous remark trump made to Zelenskyy last week regarding "working with" putin.

Emphatically agree also that trump is the most corrupt traitor ever occupying the White House.


How Trump’s Response to the Ukraine Scandal Helped Russia"
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/09/trump-response-ukraine-russia-zelensky-putin/
snipped:


This memo (trump/Zelenskyy call), Fedchenko notes, can be cited by pro-Russia propagandists to show that “Trump won’t really do anything to protect Ukraine,” and Zelensky’s remarks about Germany and France can be used by pro-Russia elements to contend that Europe won’t be a stalwart defender of Ukraine in its conflict with Russia. “This material is useful for Russia propaganda,” Fedchenko says. “You can recycle it and say that now Ukraine is corrupting the US system and portray the Ukrainian government as an incompetent state and deny the agency of Ukraine. You can say it’s completely dependent on the US position.”

Fedchenko is the director of the Mohyla School of Journalism at National University of Kyiv-Mohyla Academy and a founder of the StopFake.org fact-checking website, which combats Russian disinformation about Ukraine.

maxsolomon

(33,316 posts)
11. BUT THE JAVELINS
Wed Oct 2, 2019, 12:40 PM
Oct 2019

I'd imagine the dude had little choice. Oligarchs want it over so they can get back to grifting.

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