It's time to start preparing for life under Pence

[fescuerescue]

And hopefully the leadership already has leads on impeaching him as well.

I've been thinking about what a Pence regime will look like. Given his fundamentalism and even far hardcore stance against womens rights, we have a long road to freedom.

[hlthe2b]

1. Indiana hated him. I somehow doubt his "inate charm" (eyeroll) will go over better nationally either

Not to mention, he's involved in much of this crap to his eyeballs. AND, though he might be pressed to pardon Trump, he damned well knows that if he did, like Ford, it would be the absolute end of his career. He still might do it, thinking it would keep Trump's base, but somehow I doubt that would be enough.

Sure the "never trumpsters" would rallly behind him, but the hard core "base" would likely not.

[stonecutter357]

2. Pence is a racist pig just like trump !

[ffr]

3. ???? Have you not been paying attention?

[fescuerescue]

14. guess not

Thanks for the illuminating post.

[ffr]

18. Sorry I just assume people use the DU Google search, as well as, Google News search

as much as I do.

Type in things like Pence Zelensky or Pence Ukraine or Pence corruption.

But here are some quick links
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142373528
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212506849
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212499790
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212492665


Pence has weekly lunches with tRump. Pence is tRump's foreign policy guy and has spoken on multiple occasions with Zelensky about "corruption" hint hint (the Bidens) wink wink, so it would have to be a stretch that Pence knew anything about tRump's guilt, since everyone around tRump is involved in tRump's filthy guilt. But Pence probably not. Nothing to see here. Squeaky clean.

[fescuerescue]

25. I'm a political junkie

and I spend a ridiculous amount of time online. Nonetheless sometimes news happens without letting me know.

Let's put aside the snarkiness for a moment (both of us).

Here's the thing.

While I think it's conceivable that Senate will convict Trump. It's also conceivable that the Senate will convict Pence.

But they will not. Not In a million years. A billion years, convict both at the same time, thereby handing over the Whitehouse to the Democratic Party.

I think they might throw Trump out. His baggage is getting to much. But they won't touch Pence or hold the trial for him until after Pence is elevated, Pence selects a new VP and they confirm him.

It could go the other way to. Throw out Pence as an offering and keep Trump. But I think that's the least likely scenario.

[Kablooie]

4. It's going to be infuriating when he pardons Trump for everything.

We may never get to see why Trump is so terrified of his taxes getting out.

[NYC Liberal]

16. Well he can't pardon state crimes.

NYS is waiting.

[catbyte]

5. It will actually be worse.

[ret5hd]

28. BS...he will be a hobbled golem...no real life.

[catbyte]

41. I respectfully disagree. It would've been a whole lot worse if we hadn't taken the House, but

he's one vile, scary MF. I live in Michigan close to the Indiana border and I've seen the shit he's pulled and tried to pull there. He's a True Believer, a Christofascist of the first order. You think MF45's judicial nominees are scary? You ain't seen nothin' yet if that horror show moves into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Our best hope is that he's so compromised and tainted by the stink of that thing currently infesting the White House that he'll be impotent. The gop would love him, though.

[OliverQ]

6. Pence doesn't have the cult following that Trump does.

I'm hoping he'll be much weaker since neither side actually likes him.

[fescuerescue]

15. Republican will fall in behind him

after trump is impeached.

Party loyalty is everything to Republicans. That's all that really matters to them

[Poiuyt]

26. Republicans will fall in line, but they won't jump over a cliff with him

Trump is a cult leader, Pence is boring as hell.

[fescuerescue]

29. Right

But they will take boring over the opposition party every minute of every day for the next 1,000 years.

Frankly, we would do no less.

[sarisataka]

7. Next week I will have twelve chickens

Because I bought twelve eggs today.

[cwydro]

22. Lol!

So true. Well played.

I actually do own chickens, but I really won’t know until tomorrow which of my ladies has chosen to lay.

[Wellstone ruled]

8. Pence is toast.

His name popped up as the one who suggested the burying of the Whistle Blower and Ukrainian phone transcripts.

[jcgoldie]

10. Yeah even Trump already suggested throwing him under the bus at his UN presser

“I think you should ask for Vice President Pence’s conversation, because he had a couple of conversations also,” Trump said at a news conference on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly in New York.

[Wellstone ruled]

12. Watch for Schiff and Company to

take him out with Trump. Pence and his Brothers are as Corrupt as they come.

[rustydog]

9. Indiana hates him so he can't go back there

Sharia Law Pence will be horrible as President. He needs to be removed with Trump. If not, Then Democrats have to retake the House and Senate with overwhelming numbers to put a stop to the GOPs death grip on shadowing Sharia Law in their belief, speeches and legislative actions as they decry the evil of Sharia Law.

[hunter]

11. Trump won't tolerate that. He will destroy Pence before it happens.

Pence's only job in Trump's twisted mind is to protect Trump. If Pence fails that he's toast. Trump will expose every dark ugly thing in Pence's closet. Trump will blame everything that went wrong on Pence.

[Vinca]

13. Does Simplicity make patterns for burkas?

[LisaL]

19. Exactly.

WTF should we be preparing for life under Pence when chances of Trump being convicted by the senate are non-existent?

[Turin_C3PO]

21. No harm in being optimistic.

There is a chance, however remote, that public opinion could force the GOP Senators’ hands to convict.

[cwydro]

23. I remember the optimism about "Mueller Time."

I remember the posters here who crowed that that would be the end of the shitstain.

Didn’t work out that way.

[Turin_C3PO]

24. Point taken.

Conviction is certainly not at all likely. But my hope is that maybe a few Repubs will vote to convict and it can be sold as a non-partisan action.

[Arazi]

37. I remember Fitzmas. No way the Senate convicts. We need to prepare for #Traitor post impeachment

He's going to be stark raving mad

[UniteFightBack]

20. Any reign that Pence hopes to have will be very short lived so I ain't preparing for shit. nt

[Miles Archer]

27. "Life under Pence" means the inmate who has the bunk under him.

Trump threw Pence under the bus, and I don't think he's finished. If Trump goes down, he's taking Pence with him. A more accurate statement would be "It's time to start preparing for President Pelosi."

[GreenEyedLefty]

31. There is no way Trump will willingly allow Pence to be president.

[fescuerescue]

32. Is that up to Trump?

Trump can't impeach Pence. Trump cannot simply select a new VP.

If Trump goes, Pence becomes President automatically.

The only thing that Trump could do is to implicate Pence, but that is meaningless unless the Senate acts on it. And there is no way in hell will the Senate convict Trump and Pence simultaneously and hand over the 1/3 of the government to the opposition.

Trump is long for the ride on this one.

[GreenEyedLefty]

42. I did say "willingly" - that is to say if he had any control over it

I do believe that when and if the ship starts to sink he will do all he can to bring Pence down with him. Hell, he's already started and we're only in the beginning-to-put-an-inquiry-together phase.

[GreenEyedLefty]

30. "Mike Pence is up to his albino eyebrows in this"

One of my favorite quotes from the Stephanie Miller show.

Mike Pence is as shady as he is obsequious.

[beachbumbob]

33. Trump not going anywhere folks.

He won't resign
McConnel will not hold trial
He will be on the ticket to be reelected.


Understand this is the only path Gop has. We must launch the greatest voter registration drive and GOTV effort in history for Nov 2020 and set modern day record of people voting democratic.


That will be our only path.

[cynatnite]

35. I wouldn't think Moscow Mitch had a choice about this...

He's constitutionally obligated.

Not that I think tRump will be removed.

[beachbumbob]

43. no, nothing in the constituion mandates a trial to be held with in any timeframe

[Xolodno]

34. I don't think Pence will go...

...unless there is a transcript of him breaking the law. Then the Senate would push him to resign and get Trump to select a their guy (and he will, or they will threaten to do worse to him and leak, enable, etc. every financial investigation from here to the moon and he will be broke living on welfare).

But Pence is neutered and his job will be to do one thing, don't rock the boat and jeopardize any GOP's Congress chances. Be as dull and boring and Mike Pence.

[Dan]

36. I hope that Pence is impeached at the same time as Trump.

This would prevent Pence from assuming the role of president and identifying his own Vice President. Also, by impeaching both at the same time - if removed - Nancy would become the president.

[brooklynite]

39. That "women are allowed to vote" thing was never going to catch on.....

[GulfCoast66]

40. Where is trump going?

He will not be removed from office. He will not resign.

We still have to beat him in 2020.

[beachbumbob]

44. this is true, the only way trump is gone is if he resigns and he will never do that and will proceed

with scorched earth policies to the point that the 25th amendment MIGHT be invoked.

[DiverDave]

45. He is toast

Speaker of the house is next in line