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TeamPooka

(24,262 posts)
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 03:21 PM Sep 2019

Set aside impeachment. Mnunchin, the DNI and more are ignoring laws that say they "SHALL"

share certain info, like Trump's tax returns, and the Ukraine whistle-blower report, with Congress.

They have ignored these laws and suffer no penalty or punishment.

What can Democrats do about this ongoing pattern of obstruction of justice?

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Set aside impeachment. Mnunchin, the DNI and more are ignoring laws that say they "SHALL" (Original Post) TeamPooka Sep 2019 OP
act like Republicans: waterboard the bastards! Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2019 #1
Two new ideas have recently been discussed Mike 03 Sep 2019 #2
Let's do that TeamPooka Sep 2019 #3
Republicans will use those against us whenever they retake the House, but it seems we need this now. NCLefty Sep 2019 #4
No need DENVERPOPS Sep 2019 #8
You nailed it malaise Sep 2019 #5
They're already taking them to court. It takes time for appeals. It's frustrating for all of us, but OnDoutside Sep 2019 #6
There's a danger though Kentonio Sep 2019 #7
There's danger all over the place unfortunately. I suspect the danger Pelosi is trying to avoid is OnDoutside Sep 2019 #9
Impeachment is the tool the Constitution gave us. spanone Sep 2019 #10
The courts must back up Congress. maxsolomon Sep 2019 #11

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
2. Two new ideas have recently been discussed
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 03:25 PM
Sep 2019

I don't know if I can accurately explain them but this is how I understand it:

"Inherent Contempt" where the House of Representatives assumes the legal power to conduct a trial, where they can find someone testifying before them guilty of contempt. I believe they can actually arrest someone for failing to comply with congressional rules.

"Writ of Mandamus": An immediate (or at least fast) court procedure for FORCING someone in violation of a law (The "SHALL" you are talking about). Failure to comply with this order can result in criminal penalties.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
4. Republicans will use those against us whenever they retake the House, but it seems we need this now.
Mon Sep 23, 2019, 03:20 AM
Sep 2019

DENVERPOPS

(8,847 posts)
8. No need
Mon Sep 23, 2019, 12:26 PM
Sep 2019

No need for Inherent Contempt or Writ of Mandamus..........

Pelosi has issued yet another "Sternly Worded Letter"...................

The truth is, that we went past the point of no return when Trump was illegally and corruptly put in office in 2016 by a foreign power, who also was our biggest adversary..........

WASF

OnDoutside

(19,975 posts)
6. They're already taking them to court. It takes time for appeals. It's frustrating for all of us, but
Mon Sep 23, 2019, 06:24 AM
Sep 2019

apart from people marching on the streets, we have to wait for courts to enforce the law.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
7. There's a danger though
Mon Sep 23, 2019, 06:50 AM
Sep 2019

With this 24 hour news cycle we have now, by the time something goes through the courts the GOP spin machine has already convinced large numbers of the public that the charges are fake. It makes it a lot harder to get them back on board once the courts finally rule.

Hopefully the weight of evidence will be enough anyway, but it’s such a dangerous time for the country right now.

OnDoutside

(19,975 posts)
9. There's danger all over the place unfortunately. I suspect the danger Pelosi is trying to avoid is
Mon Sep 23, 2019, 02:19 PM
Sep 2019

Democrats calling an impeachment Inquiry and it turns out to be a damp squib, because Trump will block every witness and every scrap of a document. They've a load of court cases working through the system, and all they would have are "low grade" witnesses, if they started right now. Trump would have a field day rubbishing them, and the Dems could end up battered and bruised. If the Democrats wait until they at least have SOME wins, like on Trump's taxes (which is very likely with Richie Neal's case), then they have something meaty to start an Impeachment Inquiry with.

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