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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWe may be looking at the biggest scandal in American history.
That would be 243 years.
An entire political Party may have been corrupted.
All branches of our government have been challenged.
Nothing else even comes close.
We need to understand the magnitude of what we are experiencing.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)that's how we ended up with a fascist fuck like Trump for "president"
but it remains to be seen what will actually be done about it
yuiyoshida
(41,861 posts)to cancel future elections and declare himself President for life. I can just see the headlines now.."Welcome to Fascist America" and the worst part about it, would his base being ecstatic over their new GOD-KING.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)we WILL prevail.....America is stronger than Donald Fucking Trump, I have to believe that
yuiyoshida
(41,861 posts)Its the Entire Republican Senate and Mitch McTurtle....who SIT on their stupid asses and let this asshole pull out every shunt, wire and bracket from this 200 year old Government.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)I am still hoping Democrats will start to really fight - I am sick of the pitiful response so far
Maxheader
(4,374 posts)don't forget them...theys the ones that put mitch the bitch in his current job..
scary what direction they'll let the one%ers push them...
What? You thought the wall, the trade war, the mideast conflict,
were well thought out power initiatives to benefit mankind? To
solve ethnic conflicts....har dee har har.... . ..
Cary
(11,746 posts)Why don't we learn from our mistakes in 2016 and unite behind our Democrats and attack fascists and not each other?
samplegirl
(11,500 posts)Need something positive!
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!
colorado_ufo
(5,737 posts)I wonder what happened to those leaders?
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)KPN
(15,650 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Is that Nancy "hinting at" impeachment..but when I read the quote...giant leap on that.
I have this idea that there are repukes who can't say get rid of the MF..but want Dems to do it for political cover.
Snackshack
(2,541 posts)Presume that trump is running or trying to run a hustle/ scam/ extortion/ kickback on anything and everything possible from the Grounds Keepers to the Joint Chiefs to other Heads of State.
Ivanka, Jared, Don Jr as well. Anything that involves money, aid or influence the trumps are trying to squeeze a percentage from. These people are corrupt down to the marrow. I doubt we will ever know the full extent.
We need to understand the magnitude of what we are experiencing.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)A criminal enterprise.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)....as the demographics spell doom for the GOP.
The last three presidential elections where a Republican took the White House were fraudulent.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)Our view of ourselves as a nation is no longer operable. Our frame of reference is now fiction. We have a president who has successfully transformed his title to Dictator. This is not hyperbole. He successfully places himself above the law, supported by the second largest political party in the country. HE WON. We have a dictatorship. The Dems WILL NOT OVERCOME this coup. They are waiting for a popular uprising that wont happen, and they wont lead one. We have Dictator Donnie. And the totality of the media denies the obvious.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)A fiction writer could not make this shit up.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)What used to seem like sensationalism is now becoming clearly plausible. What I mean is, our estimations are really honing in on what is happening, but its like a trip to Bizzaro Land even though we are being very rational about the facts. You have to shake your head and pinch yourself sometimes.
Little did some of us know that The Twilight Zone was preparation for this catastrophe. It is as if Rod Serling wrote this one and is doing the introduction.
KPN
(15,650 posts)at this point.
spanone
(135,873 posts)yaesu
(8,020 posts)of Uganda fits the bill. the guy was a notorious liar, bully, sewn divisiveness & distrust throughout his government & country and was a sociopath.
jmowreader
(50,562 posts)Idi Amin was also big into nepotism and gross economic mismanagement.
GetRidOfThem
(869 posts)Idi Amin was a bloodthirsty killer. Military man, no less. We are not there yet with Trump.
I am not defending Trump in any way, I hate his guts. I am just putting a reality check into the comparison.
I have been in the region, and in Uganda, many times...
KPN
(15,650 posts)yaesu
(8,020 posts)BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
brush
(53,843 posts)BigDemVoter
(4,157 posts)its ugly head again.
Bonx
(2,075 posts)Is Trump done for?
Initech
(100,102 posts)The damage that Fox News and AM talk radio have done to our country will probably never really be measurable.
BigmanPigman
(51,627 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)behavior in the US to sell discontent between. Rupert Murdoch has done a lot to destroy the US, but one seldom hears his name/actions mentioned.
brush
(53,843 posts)prostitute our troops to the murderous Saudi crown prince who "pays cash" (his actual words).
The word traitor does not encompass the magnitude of what he is/has done. We need to coin a new word for him.
Any suggestions?
GetRidOfThem
(869 posts)Shithead president who is turning this country into a shithole country...
ancianita
(36,133 posts)government will become if we don't join together to stop it.
Kablooie
(18,641 posts)I was just thinking about what would happen if he suddenly had a heart attack and died.
All his criminal sycophants and the whole Republican party would be set adrift and would have to confront what they've done and what they've become.
They would have to realize that consequences would be coming, and coming down hard.
Ay, there's the rub.
Oh, perchance to dream.
hadEnuf
(2,212 posts)Cornered rats are capable of anything. It is dangerously foolish to try and play nice or back down from these fascist rabid vermin.
meadowlander
(4,402 posts)Trump is just the blackhead sitting on top of a giant bag of pus just under the skin. He's just a more inept and obvious version of GWB.
The real issue is the Kochs, the Mercers, the Princes, Fox News, the NRA, the influx of foreign corrupt money from overseas particularly from the Russians, the Saudis and the Chinese.
Get rid of Trump and all of those issues still remain.
ancianita
(36,133 posts)KPN
(15,650 posts)My guess: zero. Which is why there needs to be some real accountability going forward or this will simply happen again, and if need be, again.
By real accountability, I do mean real -- none of this 9 months in a plush federal prison for white collar types.
Frankly, I see all of this as treason (I don't care what the legal definition of "treason" is -- it's plainly treason). What's the maximum penalty for treason?
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)a F "what the legal definition of "treason" is -- it's plainly treason."
Marcuse
(7,506 posts)KPN
(15,650 posts)NCLefty
(3,678 posts)We're so screwed. :/
Kid Berwyn
(14,953 posts)Make America White Again
If only there were some recourse to straighten out their misconceptions?
KPN
(15,650 posts)wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)democrank
(11,103 posts)how so many are worried about what might happen to their PARTY if leadership acted forcefully and decisively against Donald Trump. Our COUNTRY is actually being attacked by the president of the United States. Every institution, every ideal, every norm, every standard blown to bits.
And here we sit....waiting....pondering....giving a little more time to....being a little more patient toward....finding another excuse for....calculating political risks about....
This isnt the time for trial balloons whispered in a news reporters ear, its time for a full-on leadership news conference stating exactly whats at stake, which is everything.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Corruption like Tea Pot Dome were solved somewhat easily because the corruption was limited. Here the corruption is perverse where law enforcement/justice is in on the corruption so the laws intended as a check and balance are worthless because they are just ignored. Indeed, this dwarfs corruption like Tea Pot Dome, Watergate and Iran-Contra - all, incidentally, were Republican administrations.
meadowlander
(4,402 posts)This is a transnational crisis where a series of sovereign democracies are being systematically undermined and corrupted to serve the interests of a small group of wealthy families looking to cash in on the death-throes of the petroleum and natural gas industries before vast tracts of the planet become permanently uninhabitable.
Botany
(70,581 posts)moondust
(20,006 posts)Netanyahu needs a 61-member right-wing coalition to win immunity if the attorney general decides to indict him for 3 cases of corruption after his upcoming hearing on Oct. 3.
He'd also need 61 to pass a law allowing the Knesset to overrule the supreme court if it were to conclude Netanyahus immunity status were illegal.
http://www.axios.com/israel-election-preview-netanyahu-immunity-indictment-9b13d7e6-4887-4b6a-a77d-cfdd689fe6ad.html
So Bibi and Bimbo are basically in the same boat--desperados trying every scheme they can think of to remain Dear Leader in order to avoid prosecution. Are the BFFs plotting their escape routes together?
Rule of Law: RIP.
panfluteman
(2,066 posts)MFM008
(19,818 posts)I have thought the same all along.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Of illegal treasonous acts from trump , his family, and the GOP, and putin with trump are desperately trying to illegally get information on the rest of Congress, and all candidates and others who oppose them from exposure. This has all signs of Putin now.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)How they work? Where they work? Who they work with? What banks are involved? How they make money? Etc...
jimlup
(7,968 posts)and to make matters worse - it will likely not result in any meaning prosecutions. If there were actually a working congress and judicial system we would not need to wait until the 2020 elections.
I fear that the 2020 elections will not ultimately deliver relief either.
volstork
(5,403 posts)that this is THE biggest scandal in the history of our nation. The entirety of the government has been corrupted. IMO, this has happened because it was ALLOWED to happen. When nixon was allowed to interfere in the Viet Nam peace talks in order to win the election, a precedent was set that then allowed reagan and poppy bush to interfere with the hostages in Iran in order to win the 1980 election. Gore did not challenge the 2000 SCOTUS judicial fiat that installed W in the WH; he then proceeded to deplete Clinton's budget surplus in an illegal war that still drags on. To date, no one has been held accountable for the theft of the 2016 election. If this pattern continues for much longer, there will be nothing left to save.
THEY MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. Until there are actual consequences for breaking the law, these criminals will continue to tear away at the fabric of this nation BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY CAN.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Duh!
KPN
(15,650 posts)No question ... and it has been for almost 3 years.
bitterross
(4,066 posts)The unfortunate fact is the majority of US citizens are oblivious. They are not as engaged in the current events and what they mean as people here on this site. Most of them have their faces glued to Instagram.
Even if the news reporting were more accurate and the so-called liberal media were reporting with hair on fire, a majority of the electorate wouldn't notice.
Get out the vote is critical. Get out the truth and get people engaged is even more so.
MBS
(9,688 posts)Catch2.2
(629 posts)The Dems do very little about it. The Republicans know they can now get away with anything. There is little to no consequence for their actions. I am quickly losing faith in the Dem leadership.
berksdem
(595 posts)Not one dam thing will come of it...
bucolic_frolic
(43,281 posts)when public opinion, intelligence community, and a few Republicans align. It's coming.
bucolic_frolic
(43,281 posts)Foreign, global, international capital, depending on the time period referenced, was always going to try to get their hooks into American bounty. And our businessmen sold it to them, to make money. Old money is devouring our relatively new American experiment in democracy.
David McCullough's "John Adams" details how the new America almost wasn't. We needed money. We had to beg and borrow overseas for capital to fund our government. Our ideals were only going to endure as long as we could be sovereign, but we needed money to accomplish it. That is a point we do not understand today. Our will to defend ourselves, our ideals, our concept of human rights now depends on our will because we have the money and credit we need. But our political will is flagging. We have been sold out. Our voters don't understand the connections between ideals and political will, between values and sovereignty. Trump convinced enough of them in the right places that wearing a red hat was all we stood for, that the enemy was our freedom and not foreign intrigue. Our citizens are stupid, they know more about football and Hollywood than the Bill of Rights. Trump didn't create this, he is just the current and most significant iteration of opportunist.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)We spent between then and the WWI that we built the United States into a military power. After WWII, we had become one of the military powers of the Twentieth century.
In my opinion, America is at another crossroads.
George II
(67,782 posts)kentuck
(111,110 posts)By that standard, we could say the Republicans sleeping at the switch and complicit in the attack upon our democracy, are an even bigger scandal than Democrats not impeaching?
Although, if proven true, these charges against Trump and the Republicans would be bigly important.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,176 posts)Unless you really think that looking the other way for the biggest scandal in 243 years of American history is fine.
George II
(67,782 posts)They can't prosecute until they build their case.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Another Congresswoman has already gone to considerable lengths to normalize his behaviour through statements saying that she didn't want him impeached, and convincing other Democrats to step back from supporting impeachment. Democrats are in serious danger of being known as rolling over while our Constitution is stomped into the ground, and our planet burns.
History is not on the side of those looking for the Democratic leadership to actually do the right thing. The '00 election was stolen, Democrats rolled over. Bush started a devastating war that lead to a horrific loss of life, and Democrats rolled over. Trump is putting kids in concentration camps, so Democrats decided to better fund said concentration camps.
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)kentuck
(111,110 posts)It is beyond that descriptive word.
That would be like saying the Civil War was a "scandal".
Just my opinion.
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)but....how do you gauge what is a "scandal" and it's severity?
Is the Russian interference in '16 a "scandal" of importance? Maybe the worst "scandal" because we got the trumpanzee to begin with?
Anything post Nov'16 is just a continuation of that shit show...."scandal".
Skittles
(153,193 posts)you are correct, this is just the continuation of THAT scandal
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)A scandal doesn't have to be an illegal activity.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)In the meantime I have to respect Geez, your point about slavery,; the length and depth of the corrupt misery it caused is very big on a properly defined scale.
The Robber Baron's also fit on the slavery scale.
thegoose
(3,115 posts)And now they've found their perfect useless idiot thanks to Pootie. All they want is to destroy everything. They are from hell.
Orrex
(63,224 posts)Sure, Republicans are shitting all over the Constitution and the Republic, but the American people elected the Blue Wave with one thing in mind and one thing only: permanent inaction.
Blah blah blah they're planning this and investigating that. Fuck that. We need action. The world needs action. History needs action.
And, if Democrats continue with their tried-and-true strategy of ineffectual strategizing, history will record how handily they, along with Republicans, enabled Trump's complete destruction of the country.
RobinA
(9,894 posts)I doubt it. Did he shoot someone on 5th Ave? Nope? Fuggedaboudit. Its a new week, new story comin down the pike. Only a matter of time.
matt819
(10,749 posts)And the ones for whom its too much just say theyre not going to run for re-election. They dont speak out. They are complicit, though. And the ones who stay, and those like Lewandowski and most of Fox News? They are not merely enablers. They are collaborators. And many may well be co-conspirators.
History will not judge them well.
FakeNoose
(32,748 posts)I mean, I really hope it's going down. And I can't understand why they haven't ... yet!
That party has no moral/legal reason to continue.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)to people who hate the Democratic Party. That's how they manage to survive.
pansypoo53219
(20,995 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)I left..it was trump and Ukraine. Love what you wrote..but In 10 words or less. How did this all blow up bigger?
lordsummerisle
(4,651 posts)the great American experiment is drawing to a close. It doesn't have to happen this way but the public seems not to care enough. On the plus side think of all the stories you can tell your grandchildren when they ask about the USA...